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11:48 < ariard> roasbeef: co-op close fees are still paid by opener ? what about sharing fees proportionally to parties balances ?
11:50 < ariard> and does it solve the risk you're describing ? Even after feerate lock-in, Alice can still crash after sending her sig to Bob ?
11:50 < ariard> but agree it reduces to only one sig dance
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12:57 <+roasbeef> ariard: yes still paid by opener, this is just about fixing the issues re the "danger" zone and repeated signing, why send sigs each time when you haven't decided on the final fee rate? 
12:57 <+roasbeef> sharing fees is a good q, but never really thought of a good split 
12:57 <+roasbeef> you could say it's "fairer" to have the party that create te funding output also pay to consume it I guess 
12:58 <+roasbeef> ariard: if she crasshes, then bob broadcasts, she still needs to watch the output 
12:58 <+roasbeef> tho I guess you're saying the gap between confirmatino and the sig being sent? 
12:59 <+roasbeef> they should still set a bit that says like "ok I sent the sig, don't use the chan anymore" 
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14:52 < ariard> roasbeef: well having sigs committing to a higher feerate let you have a cache of ready-to-rbf closing txn, assuming we switch nSequence iirc
14:54 < ariard> right you could say its fairer for the funder to pay, but if the funder have a smaller balance it might be incentivized to no-co-op thus forcing a unilateral close
14:54 < ariard> likely even more after anchor
14:55 < ariard> no really the non-atomiciy of signature exchange, if she crashes _without_ setting a bit/committing state to disk she might forget that the chan is now unsafe
14:57 < ariard> re "danger" zone and repeated signing sounds a good motivation, but if we can make closing fee fairer better to tight instead of feature bit mul
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19:01 < zmnscpxj> you could say it's "fairer" to have the party that create te funding output also pay to consume it I guess ---> i.e. initiator pays, the one who initiated channel opening could rebalance and move all your funds into the channel and annoy you by closing and having you pay the fee to mutual-close
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19:01 < zmnscpxj> which is whay it should be initiator pays
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