--- Log opened Wed Mar 17 00:00:58 2021 00:41 -!- ThomasV_ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 01:46 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-0-215.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:00 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:33 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #lightning-dev 02:46 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 02:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:47 -!- r1clas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 02:55 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: riclas, ThomasV_, belcher_ 03:03 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 03:07 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:27 -!- solofsatoshi [ac532a98@172.83.42.152] has joined #lightning-dev 03:34 -!- solofsatoshi [ac532a98@172.83.42.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:44 -!- solofsatoshi [ac532a98@172.83.42.152] has joined #lightning-dev 03:48 -!- solofsatoshi [ac532a98@172.83.42.152] has quit [Client Quit] 04:26 -!- r1clas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 04:27 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 05:21 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:38 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 05:41 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 05:57 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@h-13-35.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lightning-dev 06:04 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.169.45.97] has joined #lightning-dev 06:24 < gleb> I have a question. This is what the spec says about private channels: "Non-strict forwarding allows nodes to make use of private channels connecting them to the receiving node, even if the channel is not known in the public channel graph." 06:25 < gleb> I assume this is the case when Alice-Bob has both private and public channels, and Carol routing through Alice to Bob might end up using private channel (Alice decides) 06:26 < gleb> But what if there are only private channels between Alice and Bob. What if Carol asks Alice to forward payments to Bob (Bob is not even in the topology graph I guess) 06:28 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.169.45.97] has quit [Quit: jonatack_] 06:28 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has joined #lightning-dev 06:42 -!- rmt [~rmt@ip5b424b34.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has left #lightning-dev ["Leaving"] 07:00 -!- Xaldafax [~Xaldafax@cpe-198-72-160-101.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:14 -!- shesek`` [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has joined #lightning-dev 07:15 -!- shesek` [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16 -!- musdom [~Thunderbi@202.186.69.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:36 -!- shesek` [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37 -!- shesek`` [~shesek@164.90.217.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has joined #lightning-dev 07:57 < darosior> gleb: well if there are only unanounced channels Carol would not construct such a route in the first place 08:01 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:03 < gleb> Why not? If Carol has a public key from Bob. She can make an onion just fine, and nobody will see Bob's key except Alice (and Alice knows Bob indeed) 08:04 < cdecker> So you're assuming that Carol somehow knows that there is a hidden channel? 08:05 < gleb> Yeah 08:07 < cdecker> In that case, it should work without any problems. The wording in the spec was mostly to allow nodes to forward via duplicate channels between two peers, but it's pretty much void since there is no way to detect or prevent this behavior anyway... 08:19 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@205.209.28.54] has joined #lightning-dev 08:35 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36 -!- th0th [~th0th@gateway/tor-sasl/th0th] has joined #lightning-dev 08:42 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 09:25 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@024-176-247-182.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@024-176-247-182.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:26 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@024-176-247-182.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:21 -!- musdom [~Thunderbi@202.186.69.84] has joined #lightning-dev 10:23 -!- musdom [~Thunderbi@202.186.69.84] has quit [Client Quit] 10:30 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@024-176-247-182.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lightning-dev 10:53 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:54 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has joined #lightning-dev 11:30 -!- ThomasV__ [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:54 -!- tinova [~tinova@lemoncat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-0-215.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-0-215.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 12:28 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 12:53 -!- mol_ [mol@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 12:55 -!- mol [mol@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26 -!- miketwenty1 [~miketwent@136.55.84.49] has joined #lightning-dev 13:26 < miketwenty1> for lnd how would one go about running a healthcheck on port 9735? 13:26 -!- sr_gi [~sr_gi@static-57-159-230-77.ipcom.comunitel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27 -!- sr_gi [~sr_gi@static-57-159-230-77.ipcom.comunitel.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:32 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has joined #lightning-dev 13:36 < miketwenty1> i understand 10009 uses grpc.. does 9735 also use grpc? 13:43 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has joined #lightning-dev 14:49 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.164.14.9] has joined #lightning-dev 14:52 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.169.45.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 15:28 -!- bitromortac [~admin@gateway/tor-sasl/bitromortac] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:31 -!- bitromortac [~admin@gateway/tor-sasl/bitromortac] has joined #lightning-dev 15:59 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 16:04 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 16:12 -!- xwvvvvwx [xwvvvvwx@gateway/vpn/mullvad/xwvvvvwx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:17 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.164.14.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20 -!- xwvvvvwx [xwvvvvwx@gateway/vpn/mullvad/xwvvvvwx] has joined #lightning-dev 16:22 -!- mol_ [mol@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/molly] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-0-215.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 16:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Client Quit] 16:33 -!- tinova [~tinova@lemoncat.org] has joined #lightning-dev 16:37 -!- miketwenty1 [~miketwent@136.55.84.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 17:11 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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