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11:27 < vincenzopalazzo[> There is a previous effort to make interoperability at RPC command level between implementations? e.g: Have a common set of commands that application like lnprototest can rely on?
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11:34 < BlueMatt[m]> I'm not aware of any serious discussions on that, sadly nodes today use drastically different rpc protocols and authentication schemes, so its kinda hard
11:38 < vincenzopalazzo[> yes it is, but I was thinking that maybe will be good to have some general agreement on a generic interface at least and leaving the authentication schemes out
11:39 < vincenzopalazzo[> I think this will be useful also when we try to make some simulator or common sandbox for integration testing
12:08 < BlueMatt[m]> maybe simpler if someone just writes a common interface that can speak each node's protocol :)
12:08 < BlueMatt[m]> i think several such things may already exist
12:15 < realtbast[m]> I've discussed many times one of my goals of building a common node RPC subset that would actually be lightning messages (with their encoding defined in a blip)
12:16 < realtbast[m]> The goal then is that you can whitelist your HSM's public key on your lightning node
12:16 < realtbast[m]> Implement bolt 8 inside the HSM
12:16 < realtbast[m]> And control your node remotely from your ledger device for example
12:16 < realtbast[m]> And validate every command on the trusted display
12:17 < realtbast[m]> I've discussed that with some of the ledger folks at one of their hackathon, but I need to work on a design doc and share it publicly
12:17 < realtbast[m]> I've wanted to actually prototype that for a couple of years, but priorities got in the way :D
12:18 < vincenzopalazzo[> in core lightning we have something similar like commando but not sure that it is equal to your ide
12:18 < vincenzopalazzo[> <BlueMatt[m]> "maybe simpler if someone just..." <- yeah kind of
12:19 < realtbast[m]> Yes! When Rusty started working on commando, I was like "damn that's exactly my idea", but with the added benefit that I think it really starts making sense once the commands are issued from secure hardware
12:19 < realtbast[m]> With the user being able to manually verify and validate every command on a secure display
12:20 < realtbast[m]> And the host app (either on a laptop or mobile phone) being just a dumb pipe that relays encrypted tcp packets to the lightning node
12:20 < vincenzopalazzo[> <BlueMatt[m]> "i think several such things..." <- Mh! not sure it still hard to get it! I made one while I was building a integration test between cln <-> ldk but there is no completed tool for it atm
12:21 < vincenzopalazzo[> realtbast[m]: yeah I like this idea and I also think that can be a way to go. On the mobile side it is also pretty easy to use this kind of system. Well we have already command implemented, I think I can try to work on blips some weekend ahha
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