--- Log opened Fri Sep 01 00:00:14 2023 --- Day changed Fri Sep 01 2023 00:00 -!- DarrylTheFish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- DarrylTheFish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has joined #lightning-dev 00:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 01:00 -!- riclas [~riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 01:09 -!- riclas [~riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:21 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #lightning-dev 01:25 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33 -!- DarrylTheFiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has joined #lightning-dev 02:35 -!- DarrylTheFish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:42 -!- greypw2546002161 [~greypw254@grey.pw] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 02:42 -!- greypw2546002161 [~greypw254@grey.pw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:17 -!- DarrylTheFiiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has joined #lightning-dev 03:19 -!- DarrylTheFiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24 -!- riclas [riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 03:49 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:30 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #lightning-dev 04:34 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:12 -!- jespada [~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:17 < devrandom[m]> reading through the splice draft, it seems that unlike channel establishment v2, each splice candidate can have different funding_satoshi and different funding pubkeys. is that correct? 05:21 -!- jespada [~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 05:21 < realtbast[m]> What do you mean exactly by "splice candidate" ? 05:22 < realtbast[m]> You need to distinguish RBF attempts for an unconfirmed splice from the "next" splice which would spend the previous splice tx 05:22 < realtbast[m]> RBF attempts use the same funding pubkeys but can change the amount, but that's also the case for channel establishment v2 which let an RBF attempt change the funding amount 05:23 < realtbast[m]> I'd say splice and dual funding behave the same way here 05:23 -!- DarrylTheFiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 -!- DarrylTheFiiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26 < devrandom[m]> I mean RBF candidates that spend the same existing funding. 05:27 < devrandom[m]> looking at the current spec PR, looks like the equivalent of tx_init_rbf is splice 05:27 < devrandom[m]> (looking at dual funding again to make sure I'm not missing something) 05:29 < devrandom[m]> ah, tx_init_rbf also lets you change the channel value, so it is the same 05:33 < devrandom[m]> that said, it looks like in the splice case you can change the funding pubkeys for every RBF candidate, since it's included in the splice message (unlike tx_init_rbf) 05:39 -!- riclas [riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:45 < realtbast[m]> > looking at the current spec PR, looks like the equivalent of tx_init_rbf is splice... (full message at ) 05:45 < realtbast[m]> The spec probably needs to be updated if that's not clear yet (and maybe cln currently allows using splice and tx_init_rbf interchangeably?) 05:46 < realtbast[m]> But I believe those should be explicitly separate, so that dual funding and splicing behave exactly the same. If you want to RBF, use tx_init_rbf, this way everything is clear and clean :) 05:47 < realtbast[m]> I think it would be a bad idea to change the funding keys on RBF attempts, is this a feature you wanted? 05:47 -!- test_ is now known as _flood 05:48 -!- DarrylTheFiiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has joined #lightning-dev 05:50 -!- DarrylTheFiish [~DarrylThe@user/DarrylTheFish] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:54 -!- jespada [~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:59 -!- jespada [~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 06:00 < devrandom[m]> it's a feature I did not want ;) just that the current PR doesn't mention that one should use tx_init_rbf to RBF a splice (in fact that string doesn't appear in the PR at all), which lead to my confusion on how to initiate RBF and what you can alter when you do 06:01 < devrandom[m]> added comment https://github.com/lightning/bolts/pull/863/files#r1312998101 06:07 < realtbast[m]> Perfect then, let's make sure we remove that unwanted feature :) 07:18 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #lightning-dev 07:18 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:23 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:23 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has joined #lightning-dev 09:41 -!- achow101 [~achow101@user/achow101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- csknk [~csknk@88.87.164.26] has joined #lightning-dev 09:58 -!- achow101 [~achow101@user/achow101] has joined #lightning-dev 10:12 -!- riclas [~riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 10:18 -!- riclas [~riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58 -!- csknk [~csknk@88.87.164.26] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:20 -!- harding [quassel@newmail.dtrt.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:20 -!- harding [quassel@newmail.dtrt.org] has joined #lightning-dev 12:02 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #lightning-dev 12:05 -!- _flood [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37 -!- freesprung [~freesprun@user/freesprung] has quit [Quit: zzz] 12:42 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@user/gnusha] has quit [Server closed connection] --- Log closed Fri Sep 01 13:06:32 2023 --- Log opened Fri Sep 01 13:07:11 2023 13:07 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@user/gnusha] has joined #lightning-dev 13:07 -!- Topic for #lightning-dev: Bitcoin Lightning Network Development: Be Excellent To Each Other! 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