--- Day changed Wed Aug 02 2017 01:04 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lnd 02:14 -!- Sentineo|mobile [~androirc@217.12.53.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:54 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lnd 03:00 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:02 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17 -!- riclas [~riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 08:43 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:25 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30 -!- abpa [~abpa@96.82.80.28] has joined #lnd 09:30 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 10:09 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 10:35 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lnd 11:04 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpkjbozehrymvsgo] has joined #lnd 12:00 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10 -!- JackH [~laptop@31-151-247-152.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #lnd 12:28 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 12:35 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 12:39 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 12:41 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:42 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 13:00 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39 -!- mnkk___ [~mnk4@95.90.233.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 14:47 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 15:32 -!- Deadhand [~deadhand@CPEf0f249a14e43-CMf0f249a14e40.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32 -!- Deadhand [~deadhand@2607:fea8:e380:10f:2743:b0d0:2db1:6820] has joined #lnd 15:56 -!- https_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@119.81.230.146] has joined #lnd 15:58 -!- abpa [~abpa@96.82.80.28] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7zxt 15:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master bd0465e Johan T. Halseth: channeldb: support adding partial LightningNodes to graph.... 15:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 39a59bb Johan T. Halseth: routing: Require adding edge to node before adding node.... 15:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master ebbe6d7 Johan T. Halseth: server: set HaveNodeAnnouncement=true for self LightningNode 15:59 -!- https_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@119.81.230.146] has left #lnd [] 16:04 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has joined #lnd 16:12 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] aakselrod pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7zpm 16:12 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master d7410df Alex: sync_test: improve error handling in tests to reduce flaky behavior 16:12 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master 807d3e2 Alex: blockmanager: fix case where last 2K block boundary is <24h ago 16:12 < aakselrod> there are still flakes in neutrino that i'm working on 16:18 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33 -!- sam_c [~sam_c@gateway/tor-sasl/stanley] has left #lnd ["Leaving"] 16:38 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lnd 16:42 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55 <@roasbeef> aakselrod: so that was just an edge case due to blocks being found very slowly on testnet for a period? 16:57 < aakselrod> no, it's a potential issue in two edge cases: one is when blocks are found very QUICKLY for a period of 2K+ blocks, and the other is when the last 2K-block-multiple-since-last-checkpoint boundary is <24h before you sync 16:57 < aakselrod> and again, both are only issues with initial sync 17:13 -!- derbumi [sid186430@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pcxfwxdoicyjcoyf] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:15 -!- derbumi [sid186430@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xzksegdgdwgdawni] has joined #lnd 17:44 -!- http_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@119.81.230.146] has joined #lnd 17:46 -!- http_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@119.81.230.146] has left #lnd [] 18:07 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 18:18 -!- sh_smith [foobar@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- sh_smith [foobar@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 18:29 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpkjbozehrymvsgo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:55 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lnd 19:07 < Emcy_> am i right in thinking LN daemons require access to a locally running bitcoin node 19:13 <@roasbeef> Emcy_: lnd has a light client mode, so you don't neccerisly need to be running a node locally, or at all if you just connect out to the bitcoin p2p netowkr 19:13 < aakselrod> note that the light client is still very alpha, but it exists! 19:14 < Emcy_> right. You can onyl have unidirectional channel if you dont have some access to a working bitcoin node though 19:14 <@roasbeef> Emcy_: nope it can be bi-directional as well (ln channels are bi-di) 19:15 < aakselrod> directionality of channel isn't affected at all by whether you're connected to your own local node via RPC or to a public node via p2p 19:15 <@roasbeef> Emcy_: possibly you're referring to how eclair implemented their channels? 19:16 < Emcy_> ok. I was trying to gauge if using LN would promote people running more bitcoin nodes 19:17 < aakselrod> there was a hackathon project for funding full nodes with LN micropayments, so maybe eventually... it will also reduce on-chain transaction volume per person, so will allow more people to run full nodes than if it didn't exist 19:17 <@roasbeef> Emcy_: that may be the case, ideally if you're running a light client, it's still connected directly to a full node that you run 19:17 <@roasbeef> yeh that also, would be possible to extend the p2p protocol to allow full nodes to get paid for proofs, etc they give to other nodes 19:18 < Emcy_> oh wow 19:19 < Emcy_> that would be quite something 19:19 < Emcy_> everything about LN so far blown by mind with what it can enable 19:19 <@roasbeef> though the early version wouldn't quite be a "tight" as you'd like, future versions could add additional proofs, so like an htlc-zkcp 19:20 <@roasbeef> but till then, you'd really make it suuper micro, so you'd like like 100 sat, and if they didn't send the proof, it's w/e as you're down like a tiny amount, just ban then move on 19:20 < Emcy_> wouldnt that encrouage spinning up thousands of nodes in AWS to skim lightning fees, though. That would actually hurt decentralisation in real terms. Like a paid sybil attack? 19:22 < aakselrod> not really, you have to commit money to channels in order to collect fees for payments passing through those channels... and payment routing policy will eventually search for some combination of shortest/cheapest/most reliable routes, so it'll be hard to get in the middle of that 19:23 <@roasbeef> Emcy_: you mean forwarding fees, or money from some future pay-per-proof protocol? 19:24 < aakselrod> ah i think i misunderstood the question 19:24 < Emcy_> im not sure. Forwarding fees i guess? Im still researching how this works 19:25 < Emcy_> i watched the 2015 presentation. But there is stuff now that wasnt mentioned in that, like onion routes and channel fees 19:26 < aakselrod> in the pay-per-proof protocol, it depends on how you choose the node you're querying... if you're on a meshnet in some rural area, you'd probably ask someone who's geographically close to you 19:26 <@roasbeef> yeh alot has changed since the OG presentation 19:26 < aakselrod> (or if you're on a meshnet in orbit, or in the asteroid belt :P ) 19:26 <@roasbeef> hehe :p 19:27 < Emcy_> this is so cool though. If you can get people paid in a globally beneficial way for running a bitcoin node, this project might have saved bitcoin in the long term 19:27 < Emcy_> its seriously a big deal 19:27 <@roasbeef> we'll see :^) 19:32 -!- riclas [~riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:34 -!- mnkk___ [~mnk4@ip5f5ae92a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lnd 20:50 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 15 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7gYT 21:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master c2aafe7 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: server: add a method to query if the server has started... 21:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 006dff1 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: rpc: ensure that calls that depend server are rejected if server not active... 21:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master cfa45c1 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: test: add a select statement to avoid error if lnd is shutting down 21:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v7gYs 21:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master b1205e7 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: htlcswitch: expect proper error in TestChannelLinkExpiryTooSoonMidNode 21:31 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 21:44 -!- JackH [~laptop@31-151-247-152.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:50 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:54 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 23:29 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svwftktvnzfuevxw] has joined #lnd 23:46 -!- Sentineo|mobile [~androirc@217.12.53.60] has joined #lnd