--- Day changed Mon Nov 13 2017 00:05 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has joined #lnd 00:22 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:28 -!- alanc_ [~chatzilla@109.255.196.64] has joined #lnd 00:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 00:50 < richard87> Hi guys!I'm super excited about the lighning network, but I'm unsure about 1 aspect of it... When I decide to spend 1 coin on something, and set up a transaction with LND... Since the transaction is not sent to the block chain yet, what stopps me from spending that same bitcoin directly on the blockchain? 00:52 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 00:53 -!- lightningbot1 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:53 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:50 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfxpalwyzkkbouqw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:21 -!- hans_ [3d5c1d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.92.29.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:37 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:30 -!- dakk [~dakk@62-11-224-211.dialup.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:46 -!- onlyann [7514460f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.20.70.15] has joined #lnd 03:47 -!- onlyann [7514460f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.20.70.15] has quit [Client Quit] 03:51 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:58 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 03:58 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 04:16 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-176-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-014-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 04:23 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 05:19 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 06:10 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-emgpqgjuvncgwahu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:00 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 -!- johannchung [df13bf47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.19.191.71] has joined #lnd 07:48 -!- johannchung [df13bf47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.19.191.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55 -!- dakk [~dakk@62-11-224-211.dialup.tiscali.it] has joined #lnd 08:19 -!- JackH [~laptop@alvira.static.korbank.pl] has joined #lnd 08:22 -!- dakk [~dakk@62-11-224-211.dialup.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 08:56 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyaxlzisuwlaedia] has joined #lnd 09:41 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #lnd 09:51 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd 10:03 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 10:10 <@roasbeef> richard87: people don't recgonize channels until they're sufficintly confirmed, so you can't just double spend thei nputs 11:14 -!- MadDogBricks [~MadDogBri@101.50.99.166] has joined #lnd 11:14 < ianthius> richard87: i am not an expert, but my understanding is that you need to get your btc to the channel address, which fund the channel, then those funds (on the main chain) are in the channel till they are moved back to teh main chain eventually. So you cannot double spend them, because they are sitting in the multi-sig channel address 11:19 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@2601:281:c702:8621:79:63f3:13b7:79ff] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:20 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 11:22 -!- MadDogBricks [~MadDogBri@101.50.99.166] has left #lnd [] 11:25 -!- grzs [~g@bsd.douchedata.com] has joined #lnd 11:31 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@2601:281:c702:8621:4991:cb7:78a1:6a6f] has joined #lnd 12:04 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 12:08 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd 12:09 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 12:15 < JackH> roasbeef, how far a long are we from a live beta? 12:15 < JackH> aprox 12:16 < JackH> :) 12:16 < JackH> its impossible to rely on on-chain any longer 12:17 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 12:21 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 12:28 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 12:29 <@roasbeef> we're planning to release a beta pretty soon here, but even then companies wouldn't have auto magically adopted it unless they're currently working on it actively 12:31 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 < JackH> I know, but its kinda needed right now as you can see 12:38 < JackH> trust me, adoption comes fast when people need to move funds 12:41 < grzs> segwit rollout has been slow for some :) 12:42 <@roasbeef> we're working with some companies currently, many of the companies that would benefit greatly have not begun investigation or prototypes as far as I know 12:42 <@roasbeef> yeh segwit is another good example, they hava a direct incentive to do so, but haven't acted 12:43 < JackH> we enabled segwit only 48h after activation 12:43 < JackH> it is beyond me how exchanges are still not making this default 12:44 * roasbeef shrugs 12:44 <@roasbeef> they'd rather sit back and count the insane monies they're making off trading fees in crazy times like these 12:45 < grzs> well, fintech still is banking when your operation is large enough 12:45 < grzs> perhaps some lawyers need to sign off on some documents or something 12:45 < grzs> :) 12:46 < grzs> I doubt shapeshift is running such an operation though, they dont need KYC and stuff AFAIK 12:48 < JackH> right now, nobody is running any operation 12:49 <@roasbeef> ? 12:50 < grzs> the numbers out of Coinbase indicate they are getting pretty huge 12:50 < JackH> well, its hard to operate much, when blocks are not being created 12:51 < JackH> we cant sell, we cant buy, its....partially frozen, or at least, its very very very slow operations, and high risk as we cant buy/sell fast enough 13:05 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 13:16 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 13:19 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xznhjyvkrcpngaii] has joined #lnd 13:25 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-53.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 13:29 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 13:46 -!- Jackielove4u_ [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctgodjqtsyiroazk] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- gaf_ [~fag@12.smos-linux.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- afdudley [afdudleyma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wsorugsiucntfmmj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lflipnbncfxorgbm] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- cdecker [~cdecker@mail.snyke.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- Jackielove4u_ is now known as Jackielove4u 13:52 -!- gaf_ [~fag@12.smos-linux.org] has joined #lnd 13:52 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 13:52 -!- cdecker [~cdecker@mail.snyke.net] has joined #lnd 13:59 -!- cjd[m] [cdelisle1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-npillfzpjxlowmkz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00 <@roasbeef> JackH: what exchange do you work with? 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Is there anything that's not core lnd that I can help out with? 18:11 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:19 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has joined #lnd 18:26 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42 < mlz> surj, what do you mean? 18:43 -!- surj [1817f496@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.23.244.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 19:53 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd 19:57 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:57 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd 19:59 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:04 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 20:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #412: walletunlocker: check that password is non-empty (master...walletpassword-not-empty) https://git.io/vFKbS 20:29 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 20:36 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 20:52 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #394: Integration testing fixes (master...integration-testing-fixes) https://git.io/vF3BJ 21:22 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:00 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has joined #lnd 22:13 -!- lightningbot1 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 22:13 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 22:19 < lndbot> test 22:23 < aakselrod> acknowledge 22:32 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:44 -!- Jkueeg [1840f6db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.64.246.219] has joined #lnd 22:44 -!- gaf_ [~fag@12.smos-linux.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45 -!- Jkueeg [1840f6db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.64.246.219] has quit [Client Quit] 22:47 -!- gaf_ [~fag@5.39.219.206] has joined #lnd 22:53 <@roasbeef> nack 23:02 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzaictgpvrotdsow] has joined #lnd 23:11 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 23:54 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]