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[~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 06:11 < jchia_> I have only skimmed through the lightning white paper and have a question about routing. I surmise that a node initiating a payment must decide the full payment route to the ultimate payee. Is this correct? if so, how does the payer node know the topology of the network in order to work out the route? I was told that every node has the full graph. 06:15 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 06:18 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:28 -!- dymurray [dymurray@nat/redhat/x-omhjxivbhnysnflk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29 -!- dymurray [dymurray@nat/redhat/x-pyyxmhkoyctjjjdv] has joined #lnd 06:52 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 06:57 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zsywvksnwvpcsitc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:06 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 07:17 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:19 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 07:22 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 07:36 -!- zoe93 [055f502f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.95.80.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:55 < aakselrod> jchia_: every node in current implementations has the full graph but eventually you'll only need a subset of the graph to route payments 07:56 < aakselrod> it's correct that the initiator of a payment decides the full payment route to the payee 08:00 < dymurray> aakselrod, how come eventually you only need a subset of the graph? 08:01 < dymurray> I'm assuming it becomes unrealistic for each node to track the whole graph 08:02 < aakselrod> dymurray: yes, eventually it'll become unrealistic to track the whole graph, but it's not an issue yet 08:02 -!- Pauldb [50c82c73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.200.44.115] has joined #lnd 08:05 -!- Pauldb [50c82c73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.200.44.115] has quit [Client Quit] 08:11 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 08:17 -!- moto [badfd0d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.223.208.212] has joined #lnd 08:17 -!- moto [badfd0d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.223.208.212] has left #lnd [] 08:21 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd 08:25 < dymurray> aakselrod, do we have any data/numbers on a standard network and a normal users payment route? would love to see any slides/sims on that 08:25 < dymurray> Not sure where to look for it 08:26 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27 -!- yure [b3d82223@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.216.34.35] has joined #lnd 08:27 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd 08:28 < aakselrod> dymurray: you can install `lnd`, sync it up to mainnet, and try out `describegraph` and `queryroutes` and such 08:28 < aakselrod> er 08:28 < aakselrod> sync it up to testnet 08:28 < dymurray> aakselrod, oh cool! Thank you 08:28 < dymurray> Didnt know they were part of the cli 08:29 < aakselrod> yep :) `describegraph` will even make an SVG graph for you with the `--render` option 08:29 < aakselrod> acinq also put out a graph explorer thing, it was on reddit last week 08:30 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 08:30 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 08:32 < mlz> https://explorer.acinq.co/#/ 08:32 < mlz> amazing site 08:33 < aakselrod> thanks mlz :> 08:33 < mlz> yw :D 08:33 < mlz> aakselrod, i still can't get my lnd going 08:34 < mlz> i installed a new set on two different servers and lnd gets stuck after "Opened wallet" 08:34 < mlz> not sure what i've done wrong 08:34 < mlz> this is how i start LND: lnd --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.testnet --debuglevel=debug --rpcuser=kek --rpcpass=kek --noencryptwallet --externalip=X.X.X.X 08:35 < mlz> and on one server i installed Go1.10beta1, on the other i installed Go1.9.2, could be the reason is Go ? 08:36 < mlz> i've also got these ports opened: 9735, 18334, 18333, 18332 08:40 < dymurray> aakselrod, yeah thats pretty slick. And with that info I was able to see graphs of the testnet. +1 thanks for the help 08:44 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 08:49 < aakselrod> np 08:49 < aakselrod> mlz: i just saw this channel :) sorry 08:49 < aakselrod> i was in slack talking to you lol 08:50 < aakselrod> OH 08:50 < yure> mlz: I'm experiencing same issue here 08:52 < yure> Attempting to bootstrap connectivity with 3 initial peers 08:52 < aakselrod> yure: i'm having mlz try `--bitcoin.rpcuser` and `--bitcoin.rpcpass` instead of `--rpcuser` and `--rpcpass` 08:52 < yure> I'm already running '--bitcoin.rpcuser' 08:52 < aakselrod> yure: yeah, i said that before you said "Attempting to bootstrap" 08:52 < aakselrod> that's not the same place she's getting stuck at :) 08:53 < yure> and then ' unable to connect to 02c0[...]' 08:53 < yure> oh 08:53 < aakselrod> yeah, not all nodes that are advertising are actually open for connections 08:53 < yure> oh I see 08:53 < aakselrod> do a `lncli listpeers` and see if you have any? 08:55 < yure> woww, alot of lines coming up.. 08:55 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Quit: sandeep] 08:55 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 08:57 < aakselrod> then you're probably ok :) it just tells you when it can't connect to a potential peer, that doesn't mean you AREN'T connecting to other peers 08:58 < yure> thank you. appreciate that 09:08 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejhknpyneytenodx] has joined #lnd 09:12 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 09:27 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 09:29 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 09:38 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 10:01 -!- latro [89939b11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.147.155.17] has joined #lnd 10:01 -!- latro [89939b11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.147.155.17] has quit [Client Quit] 10:24 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 10:52 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 11:00 -!- JackH [~laptop@abnd35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lnd 11:19 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 11:41 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 11:48 < yure> aakselrod: when I try to open a channel returns this: `[lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = not enough witness outputs to create funding transaction, need 0.001 BTC only have 0 BTC available` 11:49 < yure> although there's balance on my wallet 11:51 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 11:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 11:55 < mlz> yure, do you have coins in a segwit np2wkh address? 11:55 < mlz> do this: lncli walletbalance --witness_only 11:57 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58 -!- alcipir [~user@187.102.146.50] has joined #lnd 12:00 < yure> uhmm 12:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 < yure> using flag -witness_only I have no balance 12:01 -!- hkjn0 [~hkjn@215.134.198.35.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #lnd 12:01 < Provoostenator> What does the "n" in np2wkh stand for? 12:02 < aakselrod> nested 12:02 < Provoostenator> P2SH-P2WPKH 12:02 < aakselrod> correct 12:02 < Provoostenator> Thanks 12:03 < aakselrod> wallets without segwit/bech32 support won't send it directly to a segwit address, so you can nest it in p2sh which makes addresses compatible with older wallets 12:03 < aakselrod> most testnet faucets fall in this category 12:05 -!- icechip [~i@user-94-254-148-107.play-internet.pl] has joined #lnd 12:05 -!- galileopy is now known as electrumuser 12:07 < yure> I guess I have balance on my pay-to-witness-key-hash wallet. How do I send(?) it to an np2wkh? 12:09 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- TonyC [80cd53bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.205.83.189] has joined #lnd 12:12 < aakselrod> `lncli newaddress np2wkh` and send to that address 12:16 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 12:20 < yure> ty 12:27 < shtirlic> stupid question, what tag/commit i should use to run lnd in current tesnet 12:27 < shtirlic> ? 12:27 <@roasbeef> master after I push this thing 12:28 < shtirlic> because on latest commit I got invalid magic in compressed pubkey string: 12:28 < shtirlic> @roasbeef ok 12:30 <@roasbeef> if you were on an older commit, then could've been before a database schmea change happened 12:31 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 12:46 < shtirlic> @roasbeef go it, cleared tesnet3 and it's started syncing 12:46 < shtirlic> &got 12:47 < shtirlic> Always makes me curios why log texts so hard to undersatnd 12:48 < shtirlic> Verified downloaded block header against checkpoint at height 200000/hash 0000000000287bffd321963ef05feab753ebe274e1d78b2fd4e2bfe9ad3aa6f2 12:48 < shtirlic> I understand this phrase 'Verified downloaded block header', but not the rest ;) 12:49 < shtirlic> from zeros I understand that it's mined hash of block;) 12:50 <@roasbeef> yep, all those zeroes 12:50 <@roasbeef> well they're not hard to understand if you know bitcoin 12:52 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 13:04 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 13:06 < shtirlic> what it the meaning of "against checkpoint at height 200000" 13:08 < shtirlic> why i don't see this log on every block header downloaded? 13:09 < shtirlic> or the idea to check on every 100k blocks? 13:10 -!- alcipir [~user@187.102.146.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:12 < 18VACW2TB> https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/blob/master/chaincfg/params.go#L433 13:13 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 13:14 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 13:14 < 18VACW2TB> source includes some checkpoints to make sure you’re downloading the right chain 13:16 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 13:21 < shtirlic> wow, crazy it's hardcoded, for testnet 13:22 < shtirlic> I see bips also hardcoded 13:22 < shtirlic> it's should be enough to test, why so? 13:24 < shtirlic> 18VACW2TB: thx for links 13:25 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 13:26 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd 13:26 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:26 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 13:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 13:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 13:36 < 18VACW2TB> You’re welcome, enough to test what? 13:42 -!- Suupa [187fbec6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.127.190.198] has joined #lnd 13:42 < shtirlic> 18VACW2TB: enough to test it's correct chain 13:42 < shtirlic> 2 pairs of hash/height will be ok or not? 13:42 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 13:43 -!- Suupa [187fbec6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.127.190.198] has quit [Client Quit] 13:47 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55 -!- molz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 13:55 -!- dymurray_ [dymurray@nat/redhat/x-vbqycixlxrheahvl] has joined #lnd 13:55 -!- alphawaffle [~betawaffl@h1.kdf.io] has joined #lnd 13:56 -!- achow101_ [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #lnd 13:56 -!- alphawaffle is now known as betawaffle 13:56 -!- betawaffle [~betawaffl@h1.kdf.io] has quit [Client Quit] 13:56 -!- betawaffle [~betawaffl@h1.kdf.io] has joined #lnd 13:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: eck 13:59 -!- kpcyrd [~kpcyrd@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::16f:4001] has joined #lnd 14:08 < yure> what am I missing? 14:08 < yure> lncli sendpayment --dest=02f1da524a70afd8de6019e2367b47d8d41a623aa3594f55d0785fe1b047c853bc --amt=10 --payment_hash=4 --pay_req=6 14:08 < yure> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = invalid bech32 string length 1 14:09 < lndbot1> use --pay_req to pay a payment request 14:09 < shtirlic> yure: sendpayment is for btc address only I think 14:09 < shtirlic> in bech32 encoding 14:10 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 14:11 < shtirlic> after i deleted tesntet3 files on both system (linux/mac with lightning) 14:11 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11 < shtirlic> I got high cpu usage 14:11 < shtirlic> lnd: 2017-12-12 00:08:34.115 [INF] BTCN: Processed 1 block in the last 2m15.39s (height 1254586, 2017-12-12 00:08:28 +0200 IST) 14:12 < shtirlic> on both systems 14:13 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-172-039-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 14:17 -!- TonyC [80cd53bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.205.83.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:22 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 14:36 <@roasbeef> shtirlic: syncing the chain is computationally intensive 14:36 < shtirlic> @roasbeef yeh, but it's done 14:36 < shtirlic> i removed once again the tesnet3 di 14:37 < shtirlic> it's syncing now 14:37 < shtirlic> around 11% of cpu 14:37 < shtirlic> but when i see it finished it starts eating around 96% and doing nothing 14:38 < shtirlic> on both mac and aws machine 14:38 < shtirlic> on mbp lnd now around 20% while syncing 14:39 < shtirlic> it's definitely kinda loop 14:40 < yure> may anyone sendpayment for this req, please? lntb69690n1pdz7p5zpp5f4ljgtgamaj8d9zxuwyumwjyv72n8cg58wxny4nkxjud2sf60n7qdqgw3jhxar9cqzysw8gxvsjft5pt22pfvr5pgln9dkl4nw3v43n496dysf84e6yqu40xpetksnxs8asweq2l4g88dhqwns8ejw2phx5af0fd3wjvmalculsqt9nu6l 14:40 <@roasbeef> yure: done 14:41 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 14:41 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:41 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 14:43 < yure> roasbeef: "settled": true, "creation_date": "1513031298", "settle_date": "1513032020"; tyvm 14:43 < yure> worked just fine 14:43 < shtirlic> @roasbeef I am waiting for both nodes to finish downloading blocks and see if it goes to high cpu after that 14:44 < yure> could you please send create a pay_req for me? I'll try to pay 14:44 < shtirlic> now it's <30% 14:44 <@roasbeef> yure: lntb8u1pdz7zjspp5wvd79tnue5ahvaku3hmzycytj7tppqnvmd3q2r35zufl3z0u4gtqdqqcqzysgc6yj9v3h2h600mns3g40rzk7ym4szjvflrkz69ql7uy92r8a72x46rew6vn5yjq7zpkqhunzr94qwgs6pmrzrsewn263r95tdh27hqpcwc67l 14:45 < shtirlic> @roasbeef also are there any bugs with chain database like corrupted state while ctr-c exting lnd daemon? or it's journaled and atomic write? 14:47 < yure> how do I find rHash using pay_req? is it possible? 14:47 <@roasbeef> no need to kill it shtirlic, let it do its work 14:48 <@roasbeef> yure: no need to manually set, see `payinvoice` 14:49 < yure> lncli payinvoice --pay_req=lntb8u1pdz7zjspp5wvd79tnue5ahvaku3hmzycytj7tppqnvmd3q2r35zufl3z0u4gtqdqqcqzysgc6yj9v3h2h600mns3g40rzk7ym4szjvflrkz69ql7uy92r8a72x46rew6vn5yjq7zpkqhunzr94qwgs6pmrzrsewn263r95tdh27hqpcwc67l { "payment_error": "", "payment_preimage": "dd4d2abb39a8fcd6e8a8038902dc8afb5cdf206483951f239d7745776db7b879", "payment_route": { "total_time_lock": 1254734, "total_amt": 800, "hops": [ { "chan_id": 1379418700911 14:49 < yure> is it settled? 14:49 < yure> how can I check w/o lookupinvoice rHash? 14:53 < shtirlic> @roasbeef on aws i synced 14:53 < shtirlic> 2017-12-11 22:51:44.713 [INF] BTCN: Processed 1 block in the last 11m21.05s (height 1254591, 2017-12-11 22:51:08 +0000 UTC) 14:53 < shtirlic> but it's says it still in sync 14:54 < shtirlic> chain backend is still syncing, server not active yet 14:54 < shtirlic> on mac i got this 14:54 < shtirlic> lnd: 2017-12-12 00:51:45.043 [ERR] LNWL: Failed to process consensus server notification (name: `blockconnected`, detail: `failed to store sync information 000000000000014bdd7414ffdea7d986f94d963bc248a5fedf839705b8d814fe: failed to fetch block hash for height 1254590: couldn't get hash from database`) 14:56 <@roasbeef> yure: do listpayments 14:57 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:58 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:00 < yure> roasbeef: seems that I've payed twice. is it possibly? to pay same pay_req as many times as I want? 15:00 <@roasbeef> shtirlic: if you switched between backend modes, things can get weird, if you're connecting to a btcd instance, you should let that sync first, then start up lnd 15:00 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:00 <@roasbeef> yure: with real money, it should never be done 15:01 < shtirlic> i dont' have btcd node, just plain lnd 15:01 < molz> lol 15:01 < molz> here i was thinking you were talking about your btcd 15:02 < shtirlic> and latests ligning app with lnd replaced by latest build from master 15:02 < shtirlic> nope 15:02 < shtirlic> just lnd 15:04 < shtirlic> when I am using plain lnd it's neutrino syncing with btc nodes right? 15:05 < shtirlic> so as I understand everyone here are using btcd as backend and not neutrino? 15:14 -!- icechip [~i@user-94-254-148-107.play-internet.pl] has 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16:20 < shtirlic> where I can find why lightning uses patched btcd? 16:21 < shtirlic> why not just use the same nodes ? 16:21 < aakselrod> shtirlic: neutrino is the difference between mainline btcd and lightning labs' btcd... when the spec (BIP PR is submitted but still under discussion) is finalized, we'll be able to submit a full PR to btcd to incorporate it 16:22 < aakselrod> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/609 16:22 < shtirlic> Oh I see, so even bitcoin-core will/should use this new specs? 16:22 < aakselrod> yes 16:23 < shtirlic> got it, now it's clear 16:23 < shtirlic> but it's only for btc, what about ltc, eth and other nodes? 16:24 < shtirlic> lnd should use some kind of adapters to each network type? 16:24 < aakselrod> i'm guessing ltc will probably incorporate it, eth is a completely different animal 16:24 < aakselrod> lnd is not currently attempting to work for eth, only btc and ltc 16:24 < aakselrod> eventually maybe other bitcoin clones with parameter changes, similar to ltc 16:26 < shtirlic> aakselrod: sure at start it's will be enough, it's interesting how hard is adding support for new chain in current lnd arch 16:27 < shtirlic> for example use lightning to transfer tokens(eth) in super fast mode 16:30 < aakselrod> eth is a very different architecture from bitcoin, so i don't know if/when lightning would support that... i haven't seen any discussions about it. maybe if/when raiden spins up, a node could run both lightning and raiden and act as a gateway. 16:32 -!- achow101_ is now known as achow101 16:35 < shtirlic> aakselrod: thx for clarifications, I am still need to reread plazma whitepaper;) 16:36 < shtirlic> raiden/ligtning together will be interesting 16:55 -!- Styils [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 16:56 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 16:59 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18 -!- zombieC 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