--- Day changed Wed Dec 13 2017
00:14 -!- JohnWayne_ [5e8fbdfd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.143.189.253] has quit [Quit: Page closed]     
00:25 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63-234-34-226.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]     
00:28 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bd55d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lnd     
00:32 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63.234.34.226] has joined #lnd     
00:41 -!- [a]akselrod [~aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]     
00:48 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@2601:281:c702:8621:7892:3d78:336e:8f85] has joined #lnd     
00:54 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd     
01:07 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd     
01:12 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asuukgnoghxecexx] has joined #lnd     
01:22 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #lnd     
01:24 -!- alreadylate [~textual@37-247-1-221.customers.ownit.se] has joined #lnd     
01:25 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
01:25 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd     
01:25 < alreadylate> is it possible to top-up lightning channels? what happens if i send coins to an existing channel (ie. to the multisig address) ?
01:32 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzxxozutawmavuzv] has quit []     
02:04 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lnd     
02:14 < cluelessperson> Serious question, I've seen people complain that you'd have to "commit" funds ot the lightning channel first
02:14 < cluelessperson> requiring a bitcoin transaction merely to  open a lightning channel
02:14 < cluelessperson> how do we get around this?
02:14 < cluelessperson> because I'm not sure the entwork can support that
02:21 < tumi> cluelessperson: why not?
02:26 < cluelessperson> tumi: I guess it depends on how long channels stay open
02:26 < cluelessperson> tumi: Look at the network now.  Currently the average TX costs $5 in fees
02:26 < cluelessperson> and it's not mainstream yet
02:27 < molz> oh man.. another silly question, serioulsy, cluelessperson ?
02:27 < sandeep> I think channels are intended to stay open until theres a conflict
02:27 < molz> could you please just do your own reading or run an lnd node?
02:27 < cluelessperson> hm     
02:27 < cluelessperson> sorry
02:28 < cluelessperson> I'm asking because I havne't had time yet
02:28 < cluelessperson> and I see questionsa bout lightning that I cannot answer yet
02:31 < cjd[m]> cluelessperson:  Basically the idea is that you would have a channel open with your provider of choice (probably an exchange) and they would keep channels with other providers in order that there's always a path through the lightning network from you to anyone you want to pay.   So the transaction fee is like the cost of installing internet, you put in one wire and then you can communicate with anyone.
02:33 < tumi> cluelessperson: you are correct, it will require a transaction which are now expensive, but the idea is that you reuse that channel many times saving you the on-chain transactions you would otherwise have made. Nevertheless, the amount of opening and closing of channels is limited and subject to fees just like transactions on chain are
02:41 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
02:50 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwtokgyjrxvesuwq] has joined #lnd     
03:10 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd     
03:10 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
03:18 -!- mareksip [c154244a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.84.36.74] has joined #lnd     
03:39 -!- fronti [~fronti@irc.fh-biergarten.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]     
03:52 -!- fronti [~fronti@irc.fh-biergarten.de] has joined #lnd     
03:55 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
03:58 < alreadylate> now that everyone is awake :)
03:58 < alreadylate> i'll repeat a question i dropped here a few days ago
03:58 < alreadylate> is it possible to top-up lightning channels? what happens if i send coins to an existing channel (ie. to the multisig address) ?
03:58 < alreadylate> (a few hours*)
04:00 < alreadylate> cjd[m] that is actually a great way of thinking about it. like "installing internet" cost
04:02 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
04:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd     
04:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]     
04:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd     
04:14 -!- mareksip [c154244a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.84.36.74] has quit [Quit: Page closed]     
04:20 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd     
04:20 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
04:22 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Quit: Leaving]     
04:26 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Quit: sdfgsdfg]     
04:31 < cjd[m]> the analogy is not perfect, you'll need a new transaction to add more funds, but it captures the general idea I think
04:43 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
04:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@73.248.248.9] has joined #lnd     
04:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@73.248.248.9] has quit [Changing host]     
04:44 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd     
04:54 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lnd     
04:58 -!- creslin1 [5d493c74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.73.60.116] has joined #lnd     
04:59 -!- creslin1 [5d493c74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.73.60.116] has quit [Client Quit]     
04:59 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdxdbnhhmoiruyfz] has joined #lnd     
05:01 -!- creslin_ [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has joined #lnd     
05:01 -!- alfa [uid11513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mplvkqilautnfmop] has joined #lnd     
05:06 < creslin_> hI, im planning on spending a couple days discovering btcd and lnd from a sysadmin perspective, coming from a bitcoind node hosting background.  I have a query Is the roasbeef version of btcd still required for segwit or will the main branch now suffice? thanks.
05:23 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]     
05:26 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lnd     
05:28 < fronti> i know, not exactly pur lnd and not really important but can someone explain me the "open channels" in this page? https://explorer.acinq.co/#/n/02464bfaaae78b98268a6a6d7e8f6a110c60dd1293811d6029b11ee9edb4bbf869  according to lncli getinfo there are only 4 open channels.. and if i search for active false there are aslo not 80 channels :) i did not understand how to interprete the site.
05:35 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]     
05:36 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]     
05:36 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd     
05:46 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #lnd     
05:52 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.130.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
06:20 -!- arubi_ [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd     
06:23 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
06:33 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwtokgyjrxvesuwq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
06:46 < lightningbot4> <johan> roasbeef version still required
07:12 -!- Anand [7aabe70f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.171.231.15] has joined #lnd     
07:17 -!- Anand [7aabe70f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.171.231.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]     
07:20 -!- guest9983238 [058674cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.134.116.205] has joined #lnd     
07:21 -!- raucao [~raucao@skippe2.nine.ch] has joined #lnd     
07:21 -!- guest9983238 [058674cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.134.116.205] has quit [Client Quit]     
07:23 -!- eamonnw [~eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has joined #lnd     
07:44 -!- eamonnw [~eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]     
07:47 -!- zamza [~zamza@c-67-180-251-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]     
07:49 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lnd     
07:51 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd     
07:57 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
07:57 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has joined #lnd     
08:07 -!- sovjet_ is now known as sovjet     
08:19 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asuukgnoghxecexx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
08:20 < AndyS2> roasbeef: thanks. sorry for the late reply. Maybe it was clear, but I wanted someone to open a channel with amazon to fund my channel because then,they could do ONE tx with 25 bitcoin to refill multiple channels at once, paying the tx fee just once, but refilling many channels
08:21 < AndyS2> might be some real life scaling that we hopefully don't need in the future, but in the meantime, why not share the costs of refilling lightning channels :)
08:21 < AndyS2> (refilling/rebalancing)
08:23 < creslin_> Question to the room: Will lnd daemon work against bitcoind from core, (which has segwit) or is lnd specific to btcd(roasbeef branch) only.
08:25 < aakselrod> creslin_: there's a WIP PR to make it work with bitcoind, i'll be writing up instructions on testing it in the next day or two
08:26 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] aakselrod pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vb28Q
08:26 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master c3eb1fb Alex: rescan: send On(Filtered)BlockConnected ntfns in correct order
08:26 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master 8f4194d Alex: blockmanager: change logging severity and text of "waiting for more" message
08:27 < creslin_> @aakselrod thanks
08:35 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
08:40 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd     
08:50 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1]     
08:53 -!- creslin_ [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]     
09:07 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84.10.11.234] has joined #lnd     
09:10 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@gateway/tor-sasl/sovjet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
09:11 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd     
09:34 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Quit: sandeep]     
09:41 -!- alfa [uid11513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mplvkqilautnfmop] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
09:59 -!- alreadylate [~textual@37-247-1-221.customers.ownit.se] has quit []     
10:06 -!- arubi_ is now known as arubi     
10:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] MaartenTutak closed pull request #475: docs: Update README to correctly indicate the default number of requi… (master...master) https://git.io/vbE87
10:27 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vabvxrinxehuevvt] has joined #lnd     
10:31 -!- YungMoonHodler [~me@unaffiliated/boscop] has joined #lnd     
10:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] MaartenTutak opened pull request #483: docs: Update README to correctly indicate the default number of requi… (master...docs_update) https://git.io/vb2Ku
10:31 < YungMoonHodler> what do you think about the arguments laid out in this article? https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800
10:32 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] MaartenTutak opened pull request #484: Java grpc example (master...java_grpc_example) https://git.io/vb2KK
10:41 -!- creslin [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has joined #lnd     
10:41 -!- JohnWayne_ [8d87914b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.135.145.75] has joined #lnd     
10:43 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]     
10:46 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here]     
10:52 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.130.102] has joined #lnd     
11:00 -!- JohnWayne_ [8d87914b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.135.145.75] has quit [Quit: Page closed]     
11:20 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdxdbnhhmoiruyfz] has quit [Changing host]     
11:20 -!- jerbil [uid28187@unaffiliated/jiraffe] has joined #lnd     
11:20 -!- jerbil [uid28187@unaffiliated/jiraffe] has quit [Changing host]     
11:20 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdxdbnhhmoiruyfz] has joined #lnd     
11:28 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Quit: Leaving]     
11:31 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd     
11:32 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has joined #lnd     
11:36 -!- Zelgada [8e44ca2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.68.202.46] has joined #lnd     
11:38 -!- Zelgada [8e44ca2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.68.202.46] has quit [Client Quit]     
11:43 -!- eamonnw [~eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has joined #lnd     
11:54 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has joined #lnd     
12:02 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd     
12:07 < alreadylate> hey guys
12:08 < alreadylate> is it possible to top-up lightning channels? what happens if i send coins to an existing channel (ie. to the multisig address) ?
12:09 <@roasbeef> alreadylate: don't send coins to the multi-sig addres
12:09 <@roasbeef> it's possible to top-off, but requires some interacting within the protocol itself
12:11 < alreadylate> roasbeef yea, it obviously needs to in order for the funds to be allocated to the right party :) but it is possible then, and it does involve transacting on the blockchain right?
12:11 <@roasbeef> yes, 1 tx
12:11 < alreadylate> coolio
12:12 < alreadylate> you're doing the lords work 🙌
12:12 < alreadylate> and i'm not even religious
12:17 < fronti> roasbeef: regarding the 1tx. this question is long in my mind why there is 1 tx choosen to found a channel as "normal" in many cases there are 6 tx needed..
12:24 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has quit []     
12:28 <@roasbeef> fronti: one tx as in one transaction, you can do this w/o distrupting the channel as the money is chained thru mult-sigs, and the prior commitments are revoked
12:28 <@roasbeef> when opening/closing you'd want to wait a number of confs as normal
12:28 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
12:28 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
12:29 <@roasbeef> when you open a channel atm in the protocol, the receiver requests a number of confirmations before they'll start to use it
12:29 < fronti> ok thanks understand now better
12:29 <@roasbeef> see funding_locked in the spec
12:31 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has joined #lnd     
12:33 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has quit [Client Quit]     
12:37 -!- alreadylate [~textual@46.39.118.13] has joined #lnd     
12:41 -!- alreadylate [~textual@46.39.118.13] has quit [Client Quit]     
12:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: AndyS2, pepesza
12:48 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
12:48 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
13:03 -!- YungMoonHodler_ [~me@2a02:810c:c7c0:5000:7942:e211:6654:1200] has joined #lnd     
13:03 -!- YungMoonHodler_ [~me@2a02:810c:c7c0:5000:7942:e211:6654:1200] has quit [Changing host]     
13:03 -!- YungMoonHodler_ [~me@unaffiliated/boscop] has joined #lnd     
13:07 -!- YungMoonHodler [~me@unaffiliated/boscop] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
13:07 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has joined #lnd     
13:14 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has quit []     
13:18 -!- YungMoonHodler_ is now known as YungMoonHodler     
13:29 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
13:43 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
13:48 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here]     
13:50 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has joined #lnd     
13:58 -!- izzychain [a2c32564@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.195.37.100] has joined #lnd     
13:58 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
13:59 -!- keccak [~giggity@2001:818:d8b8:b900:5555:299c:ad21:f85c] has joined #lnd     
14:06 -!- JackH [~laptop@cbg156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lnd     
14:06 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has quit []     
14:10 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
14:12 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
14:12 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
14:15 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
14:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbaTz
14:23 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master d1e194f Tomas Susanka: docs: note on golang-1.8-go bin path...
14:33 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]     
14:33 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd     
14:33 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd     
14:42 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here]     
14:44 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd     
14:47 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has joined #lnd     
14:50 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
14:50 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd     
14:56 -!- georgeangel[m] [georgeange@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-anabuaepafwqkvvl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
14:58 -!- georgeangel[m] [georgeange@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-aqeetahhvcmvpjrg] has joined #lnd     
15:04 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]     
15:12 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbamf
15:12 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master 5560001 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: build: update glide to latest btcd
15:13 -!- icechip2 [~i@user-94-254-148-107.play-internet.pl] has joined #lnd     
15:14 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fvmxnsrfoelqekle] has joined #lnd     
15:15 -!- icechip [~i@user-94-254-148-107.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]     
15:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbamE
15:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 26ec569 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: build: update glide to latest btcd+neutrino...
15:23 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd     
15:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
15:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd     
15:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbaYy
15:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master eb98d7d MaartenTutak: docs: update README to note correct number of default confs for chan open/close
15:32 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbaYQ
15:32 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 3f2f74b Ben Congdon: docs: fix python path typo ...
15:38 -!- bityogi [~textual@208-104-132-26.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]     
15:44 -!- alreadylate [~textual@customer-46-39-118-13.stosn.net] has quit []     
15:55 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #433: Improve Consistency of Logging and Actions in peerTerminationWatcher (master...persistent-conn-mgr) https://git.io/vF92Z
15:57 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]     
15:57 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd     
15:57 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]     
15:57 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd     
15:57 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]     
16:03 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #485: WIP: testcase+fix fornegative balance could happen in channel.go (master...fix-negative-balance) https://git.io/vbas9
16:04 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@68.100.207.91] has joined #lnd     
16:05 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
16:06 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
16:32 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bd55d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]     
16:32 < cluelessperson> molz: guess what, today is the night of my last final, I'll be able to spend my free time playing with lightning. :)
16:42 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] cfromknecht opened pull request #486: lnd_test: invoice subscription cancel lingering goroutine (master...invoice-itest-cancel) https://git.io/vban0
16:43 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.130.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]     
16:56 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@68.100.207.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]     
17:00 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
17:00 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
17:01 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd     
17:01 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd     
17:02 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd     
17:06 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
17:06 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
17:06 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd     
17:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] anaoum opened pull request #487: Store the payment preImage rather than rHash. (master...master) https://git.io/vbaC7
17:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbaWJ
17:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master a036098 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: chains: increase default MInHTLC value to 1000 mSAT (1 SAT)
17:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 5e5cc9b Olaoluwa Osuntokun: lnwallet: add new method to register our preferred minHTLC value...
17:17 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master bdfbda6 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: funding: register our desired minHTLC value during the funding flow...
17:18 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] anaoum closed pull request #487: Store the payment preImage rather than rHash. (master...master) https://git.io/vbaC7
17:19 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
17:20 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
17:20 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] anaoum opened pull request #488: Store the payment preImage rather than rHash. (master...master) https://git.io/vbaWs
17:24 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
17:24 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd     
17:27 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] cfromknecht opened pull request #489: lnd_test: use completePaymentRequests in channel force close itest (master...force-close-complete-payreq) https://git.io/vbaWi
17:27 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
17:31 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
17:33 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit]     
17:37 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
17:49 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vabvxrinxehuevvt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
17:51 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]     
17:51 -!- dan_jen1 [~dan_jen1@63.234.34.226] has quit [Quit: dan_jen1]     
17:53 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
17:59 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
18:06 -!- gaf_ [~fag@12.smos-linux.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]     
18:10 -!- gaf_ [~fag@12.smos-linux.org] has joined #lnd     
18:13 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
18:20 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
18:20 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
18:29 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .]     
18:30 -!- nate11782 [475e0297@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.94.2.151] has joined #lnd     
18:31 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
18:34 -!- betawaffle [~betawaffl@h1.kdf.io] has joined #lnd     
18:34 -!- nate11782 [475e0297@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.94.2.151] has quit [Client Quit]     
18:36 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd     
18:36 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd     
18:36 -!- creslin [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has joined #lnd     
18:36 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-35-158-173-101.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lnd     
18:36 -!- yoink [~yoink@unaffiliated/yoink] has joined #lnd     
18:36 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd     
18:38 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd     
18:50 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.130.102] has joined #lnd     
18:55 -!- it13579 [~androirc@49.213.19.62] has joined #lnd     
18:59 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]     
19:02 -!- ianthius [~ianthius@unaffiliated/ianthius] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
19:04 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]     
19:04 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
19:07 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
19:18 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@fctnnbsc38w-47-55-95-227.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net] has joined #lnd     
19:22 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #lnd     
19:24 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
19:25 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
19:46 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fvmxnsrfoelqekle] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
19:53 -!- snadge [~snadge@unaffiliated/snadge] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb1 - http://znc.in]     
19:55 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
19:55 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #lnd     
19:56 -!- snadge [~snadge@2404:9400:1::6d7:0:1] has joined #lnd     
19:56 -!- snadge [~snadge@2404:9400:1::6d7:0:1] has quit [Changing host]     
19:56 -!- snadge [~snadge@unaffiliated/snadge] has joined #lnd     
20:07 -!- it13579 [~androirc@49.213.19.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
20:18 <@roasbeef> sooo many zombies: [INF] CRTR: Pruning 714 Zombie Channels
20:21 < molz> lol     
20:21 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejacnovcrxycfqcz] has joined #lnd     
20:23 < molz> there're still 1359 channels right now
20:26 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejacnovcrxycfqcz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
20:35 <@roasbeef> it bounces every 30-60 mins or so
20:35 <@roasbeef> not all the other implemetnations prune
20:35 <@roasbeef> i might add optimistic pruning
20:35 <@roasbeef> lnd is doing.
20:40 -!- bule2 [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
20:43 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oodyvsjjqfchmyec] has joined #lnd     
20:57 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
20:58 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd     
21:10 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
21:10 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd     
21:16 -!- mdrollette [~mdrollett@feynman.drollette.com] has joined #lnd     
21:49 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lnd     
22:04 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]     
22:10 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd     
22:14 < melik> where can i get some coins on testnet?
22:14 < melik> can someone send me some please :)
22:16 < sandeep> /topic, the faucet link
22:16 < melik> nvm, found a faucet :P
22:16 < melik> heh sorry
22:17 < melik> i'm syncing testnet right now; 3 years 48 weeks behind.. :d
22:40 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oodyvsjjqfchmyec] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]     
22:44 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrygtttfzqivkntj] has joined #lnd     
22:44 <@roasbeef> melik: or just google testne faucet to get some actual testnet coins
22:44 < melik> yep     
22:44 <@roasbeef> sync the chain, one must do
22:44 < melik> thats what i did
22:45 < melik> 92 weeks left
22:45 < melik> almost there
22:45 <@roasbeef> validate the weeks, requirement it is
22:45 < melik> getting ready for friday i see :p
22:46 <@roasbeef> what is friday, but the bridge between saturday and sunday?
22:46 < melik> never mind, i thought you were speaking like yoda heh
22:47 < melik> new star wars film comes out on friday
22:48 <@roasbeef> a new film, on saturday it premiers
22:48 <@roasbeef> the bag, one must obtain
22:49 < melik> 82 weeks
22:49 -!- Styils [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd     
22:49 <@roasbeef> if a node does not have the chain, the it is lost. but the same node can be lost in the chain.
22:49 <@roasbeef> then*
22:51 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrygtttfzqivkntj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]     
22:51 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]     
22:56 < melik> roasbeef, do you know if there are any lightning-network apps for iOS ?
22:56 <@roasbeef> there're a few, none really past the demo stage afaik
22:57 <@roasbeef> a dev submitted one to the app store a day or two ago: https://github.com/simonhorlick/balance
22:57 <@roasbeef> uses gombile to package up lnd on both mobile platforms
22:58 <@roasbeef> we'll have an initial version out soon-ish with some additional backend goodies
22:59 <@roasbeef> neutrino needs a good be of optimization to work smoothly on mobile platforms first tho
22:59 < melik> sweet sounds good
22:59 <@roasbeef> it works atm, but is a bit of a resource hog, we've profiled and know where the bottlenecks are, just some higher prio stuff to get out of the way first
22:59 < melik> roasbeef, so how soon do you think all of this will all be ready for real-use on mainnet?
22:59 < melik> i know you guys are all doing amazing work
23:01 < Styils> I hear February will start mainnet testing
23:01 < Styils> though dont quote me on that
23:01 < melik> of course not
23:01 < Styils> sometime early next year
23:01 -!- Styils is now known as Styil     
23:01 < melik> thats awesome roasbeef
23:02 < melik> can't wait man.. can't wait :D
23:02 <@roasbeef> lnd is doing.
23:02 < melik> 37 weeks
23:03 <@roasbeef> later, 37 weeks
23:12 -!- creslin [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]     
23:14 -!- michielbdejong [~michielbd@s5594d555.adsl.online.nl] has joined #lnd     
23:19 < melik> sync'd :D
23:22 <@roasbeef> if a node does not have a synced chain, then it is lost. but the same node, can be lost in a long lived stale branch.
23:24 < melik> i dont know what that means
23:24 <@roasbeef> of essence, the meaning is
23:35 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdxdbnhhmoiruyfz] has quit []     
23:38 -!- creslin [~textual@128.0.175.117] has joined #lnd     
23:44 -!- creslin [~textual@128.0.175.117] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]     
23:50 -!- aakselrod [~aakselrod@2601:281:c702:8621:7892:3d78:336e:8f85] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]     
23:54 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-194-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd     
23:56 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hepmstwikhajqboh] has joined #lnd     
23:58 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyeycnoeizuaqngi] has joined #lnd