--- Day changed Fri Dec 29 2017 00:00 -!- localhorse [~me@unaffiliated/boscop] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:41 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 00:47 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 00:50 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@71.71.200.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:56 -!- adonne [792c26f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.44.38.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11 -!- adonne [792c26f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.44.38.242] has joined #lnd 01:15 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvcsabilwshwmbhi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:51 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlehzwphimbicmqd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:54 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xsvummjpggjpwdnc] has joined #lnd 01:58 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 02:06 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:16 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:37 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@240f:d:e193:1:b0e9:ccc2:8c98:9cf8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- Mobijack83 [7c94909a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.148.144.154] has joined #lnd 03:01 -!- Mobijack83 [7c94909a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.148.144.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-250-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:13 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-179-183-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 03:20 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 03:54 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 -!- _greg__ [3cf19bd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.241.155.217] has joined #lnd 04:08 -!- _greg__ [3cf19bd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.241.155.217] has quit [Client Quit] 04:14 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xsvummjpggjpwdnc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:22 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 04:26 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:37 -!- cedric__ [b274cb5b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.116.203.91] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:47 <@roasbeef> provoostenator: an altenative path would be to make ChainNotifier instances staeful, which is something we've avoided in the past 04:47 <@roasbeef> atm it's the job of the sub-systems to re-register for any relevant notifications 04:48 <@roasbeef> doing this would require a bit more synchornization as well, as you'd first need to ensure that upon start up, all sub-systems have already reigstered all notifications they require, _then_ start to scan forward 04:48 <@roasbeef> tho there could still be some races there, if a sub-systems want a ntfn of a parent, which then produces a child, with they also want a ntnf from 04:49 <@roasbeef> but i think the fallback approach I outliend is less disruptive and is adaptable to: full node with txindex, full node w/o txindex, and pruned nodes 04:49 < provoostenator> @roasbeef you're referring to ZMQ subscriptions? I'm not terribly familiar with how those work. 04:50 < provoostenator> Also worth considering that a node might be running while lnd is not running and the user might use their wallet for other things. 04:50 <@roasbeef> no not zmq, I'm speaking for all full nodes generically 04:50 <@roasbeef> yes that is why it's designed as it is now, to account for the fact that lnd may not be the only thing using the fullnode 04:50 <@roasbeef> otherwise you could assume some synchronization of their lifecycles 04:51 < provoostenator> In #lightning-dev cdecker said that c-lightning just fetches all recent blocks and parses those. 04:52 < provoostenator> I don't know if that's unreasonably hard, he seemed to think it was easy. 04:52 <@roasbeef> c-lightning is mostly single threaded 04:52 <@roasbeef> they have multiple processes, but one process is the one handling the chain view 04:52 <@roasbeef> lnd is highly concurrent 04:53 < provoostenator> Why would that preclude some thread going through blocks and broadcasting relevant events? 04:53 <@roasbeef> the fallbac approach works, and requires minimal changes, and from my PoV addresses all the scenarios you've listed 04:53 <@roasbeef> it's that events aren't all registered at once 04:53 <@roasbeef> the chainnotifier is statleess 04:53 < provoostenator> (I'm fine with any approach that you think would work without the need for txindex of course) 04:53 <@roasbeef> it doesn't know that it's even being used within lnd, i have otherprojects that ise it 04:54 <@roasbeef> yep, works w/o the txindex 04:54 <@roasbeef> and the changes are isolated to a single part of the codebsae, after this, everything should "just work" :p 04:54 < provoostenator> Do you mean ChainNotifier is / should be a standalone project? 04:54 <@roasbeef> I mean it's fully independant of lnd and stateless 04:54 <@roasbeef> the way the package is set up, I can make another program, import that, the nuse it for my needs 04:56 < provoostenator> Also good to know neutrino doenst need txindex=1. That allows me to free up some space. Not sure why I thought that was the case. 04:56 <@roasbeef> the abstraction is pretty generic, for example we avoid manually calling out to bitcoin-cli like c-lightning does 04:56 <@roasbeef> yep it isn't required, indexing is on a per-block basis, and you don't need to look backwards at all 04:59 < provoostenator> @roasbeef: the README says --txindex: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md#starting-btcd 04:59 < provoostenator> Maybe add a note saying that's optional and explain what the tradeoff is? 05:01 <@roasbeef> it's not optional atm (if you're using a full-node backend) 05:01 <@roasbeef> but the installation instructions haven't really been updated to reflect neutrino 05:01 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #lnd 05:01 <@roasbeef> once that fallback is implemented, we can update it to list the tradeoffs, etc 05:02 <@roasbeef> with the txinex being the fasted and more efficeint 05:02 < provoostenator> I suppose that's where the confusion comes in. I'm running btcd in neutrino mode on my own computer and then conenct lnd to it using neutrino. 05:02 < provoostenator> So in that case, do I need --txindex? 05:03 < provoostenator> (mostly so I have an excuse to see how that neutrino protocol works in practice) 05:06 <@roasbeef> nope you don't 05:06 < provoostenator> Nice 05:06 <@roasbeef> txindex is only required for that "hostorical confirmation dispatch" thing 05:06 < provoostenator> Does this stuff cover watching for unilateral closes by the other party? 05:07 < provoostenator> I assume that's achieved by monitoring for certain transaction ID's to appear on the chain? 05:09 <@roasbeef> we use https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/chainntnfs/interface.go#L38 for that 05:09 <@roasbeef> in neutrino that uses the filters 05:09 <@roasbeef> for full-nodes, it uses getutxo 05:10 <@roasbeef> so we watch for spends of relevant outpoints 05:13 -!- ajunas [adefe8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.232.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:14 < provoostenator> And when directly connecting to a node via RPC (not neutrino)? 05:14 < provoostenator> Oh wait, that's the getutxo bit 05:17 < provoostenator> If getutxo can no longer find a given UTXO, you know it's been spent. 05:20 <@roasbeef> yep 05:20 <@roasbeef> actually in that case we use the txindex to fetch the full tx details, as we need that spending transaction to decide how to eact 05:21 <@roasbeef> act* 05:21 <@roasbeef> so we'd also need the fallback in that case 05:24 < provoostenator> Worst case fall back would be just download recent blocks from new to old until you find it? 05:24 < provoostenator> Since unvoluntary channel closes shouldn't happen all the time that's probably acceptable? 05:26 < provoostenator> And if lnd is running all the time, then in most cases it's the most recent block anyway when you find out. 05:37 <@roasbeef> yep 05:39 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 05:39 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 05:44 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 06:00 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 06:21 -!- sovjet_ [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd 06:23 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:23 -!- sovjet_ is now known as sovjet 06:24 <@molz> provoostenator, how do you run "btcd in neutrino mode"? first time i've heard this 06:25 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:27 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 06:30 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:32 < raucao> hi there 06:32 < raucao> i just did the tutorial from http://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/01-lncli/index.html until the point of opening a channel 06:33 < raucao> (whoever wrote that btw, thank you SO much! it's excellent) 06:33 < raucao> everything seems to be running as expected so far. however, after creating the channel between alice and bob, it is stuck being inactive now 06:34 < raucao> i mined way enough blocks after creating it 06:34 < cotix> What do you mean, inactive? 06:34 < raucao> so the question is how i can find out why it is inactive now 06:34 < raucao> cotix: it says "active: false" in the channel info 06:34 < raucao> and doesn't allow paying an invoice 06:35 < raucao> capacity is set to the amount i opened the channel with, but available funds are 0 06:36 < cotix> Hmm im not sure,you're on simnet? 06:36 < raucao> yes, local simnet 06:36 < cotix> I never really used lnd on simnet 06:36 < raucao> i did everything exactly as explained in the tutorial 06:36 < raucao> i can try testnet of course :) 06:36 < raucao> but would be nice to have simnet working 06:36 < cotix> Yea.. did the transaction get mined? 06:36 < raucao> and also to know how i can debug a channel that's stuck like this 06:37 < cotix> When you open a channel it should show you the txid that is being used to open it with 06:37 < raucao> oh good idea. i only checked that there are new blocks, not the transaction itself 06:37 < cotix> check if that has been mined on your simnet 06:37 < raucao> will do that 06:37 < raucao> thanks 06:41 < raucao> i'm a bloody beginner. any idea how i can check for that? the btcd help isn't of much help 06:42 < raucao> only command related to transaction details i could find was getrawtransaction, but that's not useful 06:42 <@molz> on simnet the opening channel tx also has to have 3 confirmations before you can use the channel? 06:42 < raucao> i generated more than 100 blocks 06:42 < raucao> after creating the channel 06:44 -!- sdfgsdf [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Quit: sdfgsdf] 06:44 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #lnd 06:44 < raucao> ooh 06:44 < raucao> solved it 06:44 < raucao> was a p2p issue. i simply restarted bob's lnd 06:45 < raucao> had to restart alices as well in order to see the channel 06:46 -!- rud222830 [~owtslu@186.212.240.141] has joined #lnd 06:47 -!- rud222830 [~owtslu@186.212.240.141] has quit [K-Lined] 06:48 -!- jchia_1 [~jchia@116.192.16.175] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:49 -!- jchia_1 [~jchia@116.192.16.175] has joined #lnd 06:54 -!- contrapumpkin is now known as {-_-} 06:54 -!- {-_-} is now known as contrapumpkin 06:56 -!- jerbil [uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btlzpqvtvuxhghbu] has joined #lnd 07:05 -!- wxss [~user@192.40.89.234] has joined #lnd 07:27 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 07:35 -!- waxwing is now known as attributeerror 07:35 -!- attributeerror is now known as waxwing 07:51 -!- frib [~dynorsau@51.179.108.150] has joined #lnd 07:55 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:59 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 08:02 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 08:06 < contrapumpkin> can lightning networks be "nested"? 08:06 < contrapumpkin> meaning could I build a second layer of lightning on top of the first layer? 08:07 < contrapumpkin> trying to think by analogy to hierarchies of courts in the legal system, with it getting more expensive to go to higher courts, but most disputes can be resolved in the lower ones and only escalate if someone disagrees with the outcome 08:09 -!- frib [~dynorsau@51.179.108.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:09 < cotix> Lightning itself doesnt really work on top of lightning itself, but you could build L3 on top of LN yea 08:20 < provoostenator> @molz: you can launch btcd in Neutrino mode (or rely on existing node called "faucet" I believe) and then tell LND to use neutrino mode. It's all in the lnd README, although not super clearly. 08:21 <@molz> provoostenator, there's no "neutrino mode" for BTCD that i know of 08:21 < provoostenator> Yes there is in the custom branch that the lnd readme points to. 08:22 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:23 <@molz> BTCD is a full node and Neutrino is a separate independent light client 08:24 <@molz> you can install lnd which has neutrino, and if you don't have btcd, you can run neutrino by connecting it to someone else's btcd 08:27 < provoostenator> I meant server-side neutrino support, which you should be able to run on your own btcd node. Though I can't find the code now, so I wonder why it worked for me in testnet... 08:32 <@molz> oh yes, i do know you can connect your neutrino to your local btcd full node 08:32 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 08:32 < provoostenator> So that was the setup I was referring to: run a local btcd node with server-side neutrino support, connect a local lnd node to that using the neutrino protocol. I'm not saying that's useful. 08:33 < provoostenator> Since they might as well just communicate using the RPC. 08:35 <@molz> well all i know how to start btcd (or put these parameters in the btcd.conf) similar to how i run bitcoind: btcd --testnet --txindex --rpcuser=xxx --rpcpass=xxx 08:35 <@molz> with bitcoind i user -server and other parameter, but btcd is just another bitcoin full node with no pruning 08:35 <@molz> s/user/use/ 08:36 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:37 <@molz> one of lnd testers, mably, set up his btcd in his systemd to let his friends connect to it way before neutrino was implemented, so i'm guessing it's another way to let users use btcd for neutrino or not 08:38 < provoostenator> I think it's called "committed filters" (SFNodeCF) in the code. 08:40 < provoostenator> So it looks like the custom branch of btcd here (https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md#installing-btcd) indeed supports server-side neutrino and "just works", but isn't documented afaik. 08:40 < provoostenator> But connecting to faucet.lightning.community is easier, and this presumably runs the same branch. 08:48 <@molz> well right now btcd has two modes: btcd.testnet and btcd.simnet, i haven't seen btcd.neutrino mode because it doesn't exist 08:49 <@molz> correction: bitcoin.testnet and bitcoin.simnet 08:49 <@molz> and there's no bitcoin.neutrino to run btcd 08:51 -!- slackus [uid272043@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pckjugwwahffkktj] has joined #lnd 08:51 < slackus> Hello everyone 08:52 <@molz> now i'm confusing myself :P 08:52 <@molz> i guess this is what causes confusion: To run lnd in neutrino mode, run lnd with the following arguments, (swapping in --bitcoin.simnet for simnet mode if needed), and also your own btcd node if available: 08:52 <@molz> lnd --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.testnet --debuglevel=debug --neutrino.active --neutrino.connect=faucet.lightning.community 08:52 < slackus> Is that my fault? :O 08:54 <@molz> all i understand is the LND package has neutrino so to run neutrino you have to flag --neutrino.active but it can't run itself alone, it has to connect to a btcd fullnode somewhere 08:56 -!- Seven_ [~Seven@73.162.115.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59 -!- ajunas [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has joined #lnd 09:03 < provoostenator> Right, that's how you configure the lnd (client) side. btcd will "just work", no additional flag to make it talk the neutrino protocol. 09:04 -!- ppe [31e6c826@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.230.200.38] has joined #lnd 09:05 < ppe> hi 09:05 -!- ppe [31e6c826@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.230.200.38] has quit [Client Quit] 09:05 -!- slackus is now known as Slackus 09:16 -!- adonne [792c26f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.44.38.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:20 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 09:24 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45 < ajunas> do any nodes offer remote funds, so that you can receive? if the only channels you open are funded by you, then you can never receive money 09:46 -!- Slackus [uid272043@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pckjugwwahffkktj] has quit [] 09:47 < spudowiar> ajunas: The faucet can open a channel with you with a certain split of initial funds 09:47 < spudowiar> And you can receive money after you've spent money ;) 09:49 < ajunas> sure, but that seems like a bad policy for creating lightning channels right? You wouldn't be able to pay anyone if they can only fund their channels with their money 09:52 < ajunas> i would imagine that by default channels should be created with at least some on both sides 09:52 < ajunas> sill trying to understand proper channel management, and speaking of that I have no idea what the autopilot does 10:05 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 10:23 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:25 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 10:34 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 10:37 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 10:41 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:41 < cotix> Hmm my LND wallet/channel files seem to be corrupted. I closed my LND node forcefully and now it wont startup properly anymore.. It hangs on 2017-12-29 19:40:36.366 [WRN] LTND: open /home/cotix/.lnd/lnd.conf: no such file or directory 10:41 < cotix> 2017-12-29 19:40:36.366 [INF] LTND: Version 0.3.0-alpha 10:49 < cotix> Oh NVM it was a different issue 10:52 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 11:00 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:01 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 11:17 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17 -!- Zouppen [joell@2002:54fb:a1cd::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:25 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.149.101] has joined #lnd 11:36 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 11:37 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 11:43 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqzrakkxotoflxdv] has joined #lnd 11:53 -!- creslin [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:35 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:42 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 12:45 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 12:59 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:20 -!- galileopy [~galileopy@181.120.149.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 13:24 -!- Zouppen [joell@2002:54fb:a1cd::1] has joined #lnd 13:31 < ajunas> when reading the results from "lnd listchannels", what does it mean for a channel to be active or not, is it that the counterparty is not online ? 13:31 < ajunas> sorry i mean "lncli listchannels" 13:31 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@65.209.60.146] has joined #lnd 13:48 < Light_> RPCS: unable to open channel to identityPub(xxxxx) nor peerID(0): rpc error: code = Code(101) desc = Number of pending channels exceed maximum 13:48 < Light_> any ideas what went wrong? 13:54 < ajunas> Light_: do u see 1 channel pending when you type "lncli pendingchannels" ? 13:56 < Light_> yes 13:56 < Light_> pending open channels 13:57 < ajunas> okay, I've had the same issue too, it seems by default you can't have multiple pending channels, idky, but when that channel is opened, you should be able to open another channel 13:57 < Light_> hmmm 13:58 <@molz> because lnd doesn't spend unconfirmed outputs 13:58 < Light_> ok, so i advanced 5 blocks, now it says -2 blocks till open 13:58 < ajunas> molz: but this doesnt relate to spending from the channel, this is just trying to open multiple channels at once? 13:58 < ajunas> oh hm 13:58 < ajunas> oooh 13:59 <@molz> you can't open more than a channel if the change is in an unconfirmed tx 13:59 < ajunas> right 13:59 <@molz> i think if you have coins in another address of your wallet you might be able to 13:59 < ajunas> i see 13:59 < ajunas> interesting 14:00 < ajunas> but can unconfirmed utxo's be spent from in general? 14:00 < Light_> what does it take to actually open the channel as opposed to pending? 14:00 <@molz> from slack: roasbeef [11:42 AM] 14:00 <@molz> we just don't spend unconfirmed change atm 14:00 <@molz> ajunas, i think core wallet allows 25 txs chained in unconfirmed txs 14:01 < ajunas> dayumn ok 14:01 < ajunas> how can I join the slack? 14:02 < ajunas> Light_: opening a channel is a regular bitcoin txn, so its pending when it doenst have enough confirmations yet 14:02 < Light_> ive advanced 25 blocks, not sure why it wouldnt be confirmed 14:02 < ajunas> ah 14:02 < ajunas> ok dono then 14:08 <@molz> Light_, who did you open a channel with? if the node is down maybe that's why 14:09 < Light_> im trying to run localhost right now just to get the process down 14:09 < cotix> Does LND support node aliasses? Cant seem to find the option in --help or in the settings file 14:09 < Light_> to eliminate exactly those sort of problems 14:19 <@molz> cotix not yet 14:31 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 14:41 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42 <@molz> yay, payment to starblocks works now 14:43 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 14:47 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:50 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 < ajunas> can anyone pay my request of 200 sats? i just wana see what its like to receive 14:54 < ajunas> lntb2u1pdyd3mtpp54mt27hqc44h6qeaelenlpu4w74hm5u2884r47z35su3llz0kjrwqdqqcqzysnjhnycpj6xvrjcr6txf69lgq4zjs3qudk0yzpd7zj6x99s82nlnntvxzg9c95kdpstv4vt0nvcek4cv6uveppce6mg92mncwce6uj4gp0htvl2 14:57 < ajunas> cool i think someone payed 14:57 < ajunas> only way i can tell is one of the channels says "total received: 200" but not sure how else to be notified 14:58 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 15:01 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06 -!- tyrick [~tyrick@ip70-162-128-254.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:12 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 15:21 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@65.209.60.146] has quit [Quit: quitobro] 15:23 < cotix> ajunas: Depends on what interface you use 15:27 < ajunas> yeah, I'm just using lnd / lncli on linux server 15:46 <@molz> ajunas, paid your invoice thru 2 hops 15:47 < ajunas> cool, and that is 3 channels 15:48 <@molz> https://paste.ee/p/3Kep1#pabWkTExuMVmlWsg4iKSnUQuHwEV2TdM 15:48 < ajunas> oh oh ok my bad 15:48 < ajunas> i was thinking of a payment i did earlier 15:48 < ajunas> i didn't see that 15:49 < ajunas> i do not understand any of the complaints against lightning network, its looking quite good so far 15:50 -!- Elite-Epochs [~Parker@165.227.217.42] has joined #lnd 15:54 -!- ajunas [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:01 < CubicEarths> molz: I am back to the 0.14 lightning app running on BTCD. I think I am very close to having it work, but the ln-app just says 'syncing' 16:01 < CubicEarths> when btcd is not running, there is very little log activity 16:02 < CubicEarths> when btcd is running in the background, ln-app reports lots of activity, so ln-app is certainly seeing btcd 16:02 -!- cryptochangement [62dc326e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.220.50.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03 < CubicEarths> but ln-app is also reporting a ssl handshake error in the command line 16:03 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #lnd 16:03 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.66.31.skyware.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03 < iwkse> hi, I'm trying eclair on testnet, I successfully opened a channel, the status says normal, how to spend coins after that? 16:05 <@molz> iwkse, you might want to ask questions about Eclair on #lightning-dev because this channel is more focused on LND 16:05 < iwkse> molz: okey, I will 16:11 <@roasbeef> CubicEarths: you don't need btcd running locally to run the app 16:15 < CubicEarths> roasbeef: Got it. But certainly my app acted differently when btcd was running locally 16:24 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26 -!- Styil [~Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 16:27 < CubicEarths> It should be syncing correctly now. I had changed the settings in my lnd.conf file earlier [ :( ] and now I fixed it [ :) ] 16:27 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@68.100.207.91] has joined #lnd 16:28 < CubicEarths> roasbeef: O.O. - you are a gentleman and a scholar! 16:29 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@68.100.207.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 16:34 -!- mrman [05903a1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.144.58.28] has joined #lnd 16:35 <@molz> ok i put together this list if anyone needs to know where to find nodes to connect to or where to spend your satoshis: https://paste.ee/p/VV9QI#eODBKgJ5PLd0E6Pwm4OEJm6vHlySPmmI 16:44 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 16:51 -!- mrman [05903a1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.144.58.28] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56 < cryptosoap> Cool. I didn't know about lightninggem. 17:20 <@molz> someone just created it a few days ago 17:31 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #lnd 18:02 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21 -!- ajunas [adefe837@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.232.55] has joined #lnd 20:01 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: quitobro] 20:03 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 20:38 < ajunas> could amounts held in a channel be hideable ? for example using confidential transactions 20:43 <@molz> CT is not on bitcoin, so no 20:49 < ajunas> well alright, but if CT did get to bitcoin, would LN be able to benefit from it? 20:49 < ajunas> also there might be other ways to make channels hide amounts on current protocol 20:50 < ajunas> well i guess you would need hidden amounts on bitcoin 20:50 < ajunas> so yeah I'm wondering then if CT -> CT channels 20:51 < ajunas> because currently, the balances you have on each channel is knowable by someone 21:03 <@molz> when you make a tx to ope a channel, it's just like any other tx, no different 21:08 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 21:13 < ajunas> not sure what you mean? open txn's are unique multisigs 21:13 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 21:16 -!- erb_ [443de85c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.61.232.92] has joined #lnd 21:18 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18 -!- erb_ [443de85c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.61.232.92] has quit [Client Quit] 21:22 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@73.61.11.190] has joined #lnd 21:30 -!- Bataleon [ab06f35a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.6.243.90] has joined #lnd 21:34 -!- Bataleon [ab06f35a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.6.243.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: quitobro] 22:17 <@molz> ajunas, can you show me the difference? 22:19 < ajunas> so your saying funding txn's are exactly the same as a 2-2 multisig? 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