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00:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] wilmerpaulino opened pull request #562: support uri in getinfo response (master...getinfo-uri) https://git.io/vNJ4T
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04:00 < kjellberg> So, VISA did shutdown all Bitcoin VISA cards in Europe today. Great! Now we need LN even more! How's it going? Live soon? ;) 
04:03 < Veggen> Does this mean my not-really-working Coinsbank card is now officially dead?
04:03 < kjellberg> Yep     
04:03 < Veggen> good.
04:03 < kjellberg> HAHA
04:04 < Veggen> not that it wasn't a good idea, I'd still use it. Probnlem wass that the KYC thing was actually physically impossible for me.
04:04 < Veggen> They needed an utility bill with a bar code or a signature and stamp and my address.
04:04 < Veggen> We don't get that any more in Norway. Not at all.
04:04 < kjellberg> Do you also live on internet without an physical address, like me?
04:05 < Veggen> kjellberg: problem is the form of the bill.
04:05 < kjellberg> Norway <3 nice :) 
04:06 < Veggen> kjellberg: I had a limit of about 1000 euro that I could have spent without that verification.
04:06 < Veggen> we'll see.
04:06 < lxer> 1000 per transaction?
04:06 < Veggen> nono. Total, life time spending on the card, without the impossible KYC.
04:07 < Veggen> was planning to spend it this summer and forget I ever got the card :)
04:08 < Veggen> but it was my temporary solution for small bitcoin spendings :)
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05:24 < rafalcpp> kjellberg: silly bankers
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06:50 <@roasbeef> subz: means the outputs are time loced 
06:51 <@roasbeef> subz: all channels are bi-directional 
06:51 <@roasbeef> subz: you can't recv on a channel if all the money if on your side
06:52 <@roasbeef> kjellberg: you have a link to a source for that? 
06:53 <@molz> roasbeef, wait.. but we don't have "bit-directional" yet?
06:53 <@roasbeef> nvm found it 
06:53 <@molz> er bi-directional*
06:53 <@roasbeef> ofc, you can send money in both directions 
06:53 <@roasbeef> that's a bidi channel 
06:53 <@molz> oh that
06:54 <@molz> i think people have been asking questions such as when a channel is opened it has to have both parties to put in money on both sides
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06:54 <@molz> and so "bi-directional" channels is the question being asked and it means different 
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07:02 < zyp> I've got lnd running on testnet with a few channels open, and I can send and receive payments with it, but I can't seem to be able to route through it, channels should have plenty of funds available in the direction I'm trying to transfer, is there anything obvious I can be missing?
07:02 < zyp> also, I can't see my node on explorer.acinq.co either, despite having set externalip
07:03 <@roasbeef> the explorer isn't authoritative, don't treat it as such 
07:04 < zyp> I don't, it's just another data point
07:09 < Veggen> zyp: it might be that it just does not make sense to route through it :)
07:09 < zyp> there are no other routes
07:10 < Veggen> oh.     
07:11 < zyp> I'm testing with the android eclair app, right now I only have one channel open from that, to my own node
07:11 < zyp> and my own node have a couple more channels open
07:11 < Veggen> ...and you can't pay from eclair?
07:11 < zyp> yes, eclair complains it can't find a route
07:12 < Veggen> are these channels old? or new?
07:12 < zyp> and the same payment succeeds when sent from my own node, i.e. one hop shorter path
07:12 < zyp> they were all opened last night/this morning
07:12 < Veggen> Can you pay freom eclair to your own node?
07:12 < zyp> yes     
07:15 < Veggen> is there anything in the logs of your node when you press send?
07:15 < zyp> hang on, let me retry and check
07:16 < Veggen> also, sometimes it takes a little while before routes are broadcast. Also eclair needs to have an idea about routing.
07:17 <@roasbeef> zyp:  you can't recv on the mobile eclair app 
07:18 < zyp> roasbeef, I know, I'm not receiving, I'm sending from it
07:18 < Veggen> in my opinion, mobiles/end-user nodes should have the option to offload the routing decision to the node that they connects to...
07:18 < zyp> or trying to, rather
07:18 < Veggen> if possible.
07:19 < Veggen> I have seen same behavior from htlc.me to starblocks, through myself.
07:20 < zyp> just tried again, couldn't find any route, no associated log output from lnd
07:20 < Veggen> but alex caims that might be that htlc.me node has too many channels or somethinh...
07:21 <@roasbeef> zyp: trying to send from eclair to lnd? 
07:22 < zyp> worked last I tried
07:25 < zyp> hmm, seems like paying starblocks from lnd is also having problems now, both payinvoice and queryroutes seems to block
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07:29 <@roasbeef> conditiosn are transient, people forget about nodes, etc 
07:30 < zyp> queryroutes are giving me a bunch of results now, payinvoice is still blocking
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07:32 <@roasbeef> paid to starblocks just now no issues
07:37 < zyp> okay, did another test
07:38 < zyp> lnd -> bitrefill worked, eclair -> lnd worked, eclair -> lnd -> bitrefill couldn't find a route
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07:40 <@roasbeef> the channel may not have enough capacity to make that route itself work (when fees are acounted for), if you look at the logs on either of those nodes, you'll see debug information 
07:40 <@roasbeef> not sure how eclair displays errors 
07:41 < zyp> there should be plenty of capacity
07:43 < zyp> but ok, I'll start some more lnd instances later and do some more tests
07:43 < zyp> got to go for now
07:45 <@roasbeef> no need to create additional, just look at the logs zyp 
07:45 <@roasbeef> zyp: what error do you get at the eclair node? 
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09:15 <@molz> ok updated one node
09:16 < zyp> roasbeef, just that it can't find a route
09:16 < Sentineo> LN is source routed, right?
09:17 < Sentineo> how does a node exactly find the path then? Is there like a not so techy write up of it? :)
09:17 <@molz> LN is routed on logics, and not miracles
09:17 < Sentineo> that is a really helpful comment :D :D :D
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09:30 <@molz> Sentineo, you've been hanging out here for months, when are you going to install lnd to find answers for your questions?
09:31 < Sentineo> fair enough
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09:35 <@molz> zyp, bitrefill node seems to be down
09:35 < zyp> worked for me two hours ago
09:36 <@molz> o nvm
09:36 <@molz> yea my typo
09:37 < zyp> if you want to test, you could open a channel to me and try routing through my node
09:37 <@molz> zyp so your lnd node has channels with bitrefill and endurance nodes, correct? but your lnd node doesn't have a channel with your eclair wallet, correct?
09:37 <@molz> i'm trying to test this
09:39 < zyp> as of right now, my lnd has three open channels; bitrefill, eclair app on my phone, eclair app on my friend's phone
09:40 < zyp> I also had a channel with endurance open, but I closed it
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09:51 <@molz> from the eclair app i'm trying to open a channel with my lnd node but nothing happens
09:52 < zyp> quick question, when I use push-amt while opening a channel, total channel capacity will be local-amt + push-amt, or is push-amt subtracted from local-amt?
09:53 < zyp> the help description doesn't seem completely unambiguous to me
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09:55 < Veggen> try it :)
09:55 < zyp> turns out it is subtracted, so local-amt sets the total channel capacity
09:59 < zyp> Veggen, btw, I saw your comment earlier about «impossible» KYC requirements
09:59 < zyp> last time anybody asked to see a utility bill, I just printed a recent efaktura and took a photo of that
10:02 <@molz> zyp, "capacity" is the total funding amt, which has "local_balance" and "remote_balance"
10:03 < zyp> yes, that's the way I used the word
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10:33 < Veggen> zyp: no way. It needed to have a stamp and a signature, *or* a barcode.
10:33 < Veggen> zyp: I tell you. It was virtually impossible.
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10:36 < zyp> what utility bills have that?
10:41 < Veggen> zyp: probably they do in some country.
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10:57 < Veggen> when will it be possible to fund a transaction from both sides? Isn't that sort of a prereq of this being useful?
10:58 < Veggen> a channel, I mean.
11:00 < zyp> why would it be?
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11:09 < Veggen> zyp: well. you can always pay out through it before you receive on it.
11:09 < Veggen> but unless I misunderstand something, pushing remote balance from local end is like giving away BTC, right?
11:13 < zyp> «like sending BTC», I would say
11:14 < zyp> if you're paying for something and there's no available route, you can open a new channel to the recipient and push the payment to the recipient in one operation
11:14 < Veggen> mm, true.
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11:31 <@molz> zyp, ok my LND node has a channel with Yalls and a channel with my Eclair wallet, but the Eclair wallet doesn't have a channel with Yalls, but it can pay to Yalls
11:35 < zyp> I just started another lnd node and opened a channel between the two with 50 mBTC on each side
11:37 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/7WjRQ <- here's what I got, trying to send a payment to bitrefill through the first node
11:37 < zyp> sending the same payment directly from the first node then succeeded
11:42 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/q0Ayq
11:45 <@roasbeef> channels take 6 blocks to be advertised zyp 
11:47 < zyp> the newest channel involved is the one between the two nodes, which at the moment has 8 confirmations
11:47 <@molz> zyp, right, my LND node also has a channel with Bitrefill and eclair doesn't, Eclair can't send to Bitrefill, the payment is in "pending" on the phone
11:48 < zyp> now I'm just testing with two lnd instances, no eclair involved
11:49 < Veggen> Hmm. Ok. Script that logs chan_id,active,last_update,capacity,local_balance and remote_balance...
11:49 < Veggen> now cron each 15th minute.
11:50 < Veggen> ok, adding total_satoshis_sent,total_satoshis_received and num_updates too...
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11:53 < zyp> eclair -> lnd -> lnd also fails with RouteNotFound in eclair
11:55 <@roasbeef> zyp: not sure how eclair handles errors at all 
11:56 < zyp> I see that openchannel has a --private flag, and this all appears as if I'd used that when opening the channels, but I didn't
11:56 <@roasbeef> it's off by default 
11:56 < zyp> it better be, since there's no negating flag
11:56 <@roasbeef> lol 
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12:07 < zyp> now I'm looking at the describegraph-output from either node, last_update for the other node on each reads as 0
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12:07 <@roasbeef> for the node or the channels? 
12:07 < zyp> hang on, I'll paste an exceirpt of the interesting parts
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12:13 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/e80Xi
12:14 < zyp> node A is 02fb8 and node B is 032ab, in case that isn't obvious enough
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12:16 < Zyntra> hello subz 
12:20 <@roasbeef> subz: that's c-lightning iirc, their default color is black 
12:25 < Zyntra> hm, does eclair need a mainchain full node or a tesnet node?
12:27 < Veggen> how do you create a node URI QR code for eclair to scan?
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12:31 < Zyntra> Veggen: mobile app?
12:31 < Zyntra> or desktop
12:32 < Veggen> Zyntra: mobile app. I guess its a bit standardized? the QR code?
12:32 < Veggen> seems to be pubkey@ip:port simply
12:32 < Zyntra> it is indeed
12:35 < sparcy> I keep getting "local/remote feerates are too different: remoteFeeratePerKw=5000 localFeeratePerKw=53760"
12:35 <@roasbeef> nah it isn't standardized at all 
12:35 <@roasbeef> Zyntra: it uses electrumx 
12:35 < sparcy> When I try to make a channel with ppl. How do I adjust my feeperkw?
12:36 < Veggen> roasbeef: whatever. I am just trying to get something scannable by eclair :) almost there
12:42 < sparcy> is there a settning for localFeeratePerKw
12:42 < Veggen> http://lnd.engen.priv.no/
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12:57 < Veggen> ...and I love letsencrypt, 10 minutes later it was SSL-enabled.
12:58 < Veggen> Hmm. a pystatus.py cgi script that quickly gives a status page of my LND node?
12:59 < Veggen> ok, it's probably recreating lncli-web... :)
12:59 < Veggen> but I hate that lncli-web has to run with no encrypted passwords and with macaroons disabled.
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13:04 < zyp> I thought about setting up a faucet that anybody can send to and receive from
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13:07 < Veggen> zyp: there is source code available for that.
13:09 < zyp> I saw https://faucet.lightning.community/, but it seems to only fund new channels, I thought about making something where you can request money to be sent over existing channels
13:09 < Veggen> Hmm. What about making a micropayment job broker?
13:09 < Veggen> "Answer this question, and get N satoshi".
13:10 < Veggen> then people can submit a question, and fund it with an LN transaction :)
13:11 < Veggen> "What is the opening hours of <a random pub>?", worth 10k satoshi.
13:12 < zyp> not a bad idea
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13:18 < Veggen> hmm. This is a bit strange...
13:18 < Veggen> 2018-01-05-20:55:02	1381776053839527937	True	2018-01-05-18:34:51	600000    	300000    	269592    	0         	0         	745  
13:18 < Veggen> 2018-01-05-21:00:02	1381776053839527937	True	2018-01-05-18:34:51	600000    	300000    	273212    	0         	0         	746  
13:19 < Veggen> the number that is updated is remote balance...
13:19 < Veggen> it changed from 269592 to 273212, suddenly...why?
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13:23 < zyp> adjusting the amount reserved for settlement fees? (I'm not completely sure how settlement fees work)
13:23 < Veggen> could be. I didn't log settlement fee. *changing*
13:32 < sparcy> Was a real pain figuring out what was wrong with the RCP tutorial. ---> channel = grpc.insecure_channel(settings.LND_RPCHOST) <----
13:35 < Veggen> zyp: hmm, has to be. because then it adds up, in sum.
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13:54 < Veggen> yes, settlement fee went down again...
13:55 < Veggen> fwiw, I could route from my eclair via my LND to starblocks.
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13:59 < sparcy> How do I change the alias of my node? Using lnd/btcd
13:59 < zyp> seems like my lnd instances are just not announcing their channels to their other peers
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15:08 < sparcy> how to I changed the fee in lnd ?
15:08 < sparcy> FeeratePerKw
15:12 < Veggen> lncli updatefees base_fee_msat fee_rate
15:12 < Veggen> ...with third (optional) argument is channel point.
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15:27 <@molz> zyp, bitrefill's   "num_updates": "0", maybe the reason why we can't route to it
15:27 <@molz> while Yalls'  "num_updates": "180",
15:28 <@molz> justin something is wrong with Bitrefill's routing?
15:28 < lndbot1> <justin> hmm?
15:28 <@molz> justin we can only pay to Bitrefill if we have a direct channel with it
15:30 < zyp> molz, did you see my paste?
15:30 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/e80Xi
15:31 < lndbot1> <justin> I paid to htlc and yalls just fine
15:31 < lndbot1> <justin> just now
15:32 <@roasbeef> zyp: your paste gives p much zero info 
15:32 < zyp> roasbeef, how can I get you more useful info?
15:33 <@roasbeef> logs, error messages, proper descriptions, etc 
15:40 < zyp> so, I have two running nodes now, I call them A and B to distinguish, A is pubkey 02fb8…, B is 032ab…
15:41 < zyp> the describegraph excerpts in the paste is what the nodes know about each other, i.e. the node entries for each and all channels that at least one of the nodes are participating in
15:42 < zyp> node B currently only has one channel open, to node A
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15:42 < zyp> node A additionally have three more channels (bitrefill and two android eclair apps)
15:43 < zyp> what the describegraph output shows is that node B does not know about those other three channels
15:45 < zyp> either node also shows "last_update": 0 for the other node, which I assume means something like «I have not received a description of this node»
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15:50 < zyp> as for the logs, the volume of other stuff being logged about other traffic going on in the network is so high that anything interesting is getting lost, and I'm not sure what to filter for
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16:10 < zyp> here's logs for node A and B respectively: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/t6ZPE https://paste.jvnv.net/view/9v1mV
16:13 < zyp> local ip addrs are respectively 172.17.0.4 and 172.17.0.5
16:18 < zyp> hmm, actually
16:18 < zyp> 2018-01-06 00:03:02.216 [DBG] FNDG: Will not announce private channel 1382678752887373824.
16:18 < zyp> why does it think it's private?
16:18 < zyp> this is the A-B channel
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16:21 < subz> what's up all
16:23 <@roasbeef> zyp: your channel is set to private, so looks like you actually had the flag on? 
16:23 < zyp> I didn't give the --private flag to the openchannel command
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16:24 < subz> zyntra, i figured out the issue... after i finally got zap running on top of lightning app, and tried to send you funds through our multihop with acinq, zap wallet said the invoice expired that is why there was a routing issue in lightning app
16:28 <@roasbeef> ye invoices expire after 1 hour or so 
16:28 < subz> just by default? no manual setting yet?
16:28 <@roasbeef> zyp: channels from the eclair mobile app are private by default 
16:28 <@roasbeef> subz: when you generate an invoice, you can set the expiry 
16:29 < subz> is an invoice generated at the time of a payment request generation>
16:29 < subz> ?     
16:29 < zyp> roasbeef, this channel were between the two lnd nodes
16:29 <@roasbeef> one of them *must* have had that set to private, or that's the log for the channel from eclair 
16:30 <@roasbeef> subz: yeh same thing, symnoyms 
16:30 < subz> ohh got it
16:30 < subz> thanks
16:32 < zyp> roasbeef, I just double checked, 1382678752887373824 is the id for the channel between the two lnd nodes
16:32 < zyp> and I did not give the --private flag to the openchannel command when I created it
16:33 < zyp> also, this channel was initiated from A to B, and it seems like only A believes it to be private
16:33 < zyp> B says 2018-01-06 00:03:04.232 [DBG] FNDG: Will announce channel 1382678752887373824 after ChannelPoint(72f6b685f00c92f4aa4da17ead67fbe2a81427bf44d1a7ee66280f779bddc0d5:0) has gotten 6 confirmations
16:34 < zyp> currently it has 27 confirmations
16:34 <@roasbeef> well, this is the only code path: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/fundingmanager.go#L2276
16:35 <@roasbeef> check to see you hvae the latest version of lncli installed properly? 
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16:37 < zyp> I'm running git rev 607b394 which was the newest when I built the docker image the other day
16:37 <@roasbeef> so both lnd nodes are running in container? 
16:38 < zyp> yes, same image
16:38 <@roasbeef> but my point is afaik, there's only a single code path, that I linked above
16:38 <@roasbeef> you did mention --private in above, so *maybe* you _did_ have it set? 
16:39 <@roasbeef> easily verifiable, close out, then open again, ensuring that you didn't have it set to private 
16:40 < zyp> fair enough
16:42 < zyp> I'm 100% certain that I've never used that flag, I only mentioned it because I saw it in the help text for openchannel, but doing over is fine
16:42 < zyp> it's getting late now though, so I'll leave that for tomorrow
16:42 <@roasbeef> fsho
16:43 < zyp> I guess I'll start a third instance as well so I have full control of all participants in a routed transaction
16:45 < zyp> by the way, is there any way to keep lnd from autoconnecting to the rest of the network, so I won't have the logs filling up with data from anything but my own little island?
16:46 < zyp> (without setting up a completely separate regtest network)
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16:46 <@roasbeef> zyp: --nobootstrap 
16:46 <@roasbeef> then you can control all your connections 
16:47 <@roasbeef> also make sure autopilot is off 
16:47 < zyp> ah, right
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16:48 < osoverflow> hi everone!
16:49 < osoverflow> I started a testnet LN node, but don't know where to find nodes to connect to
16:51 <@roasbeef> osoverflow: have you seen the testnet faucet? it's in the channel topic 
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16:51 < osoverflow> Thanks! Let me try to connect
16:55 < subz> https://explorer.acinq.co/#/
16:55 < subz> check that out too osoverflow
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17:00 < osoverflow> Ok, I connected to first. I have eclair wallet for tetnet in my phone
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17:11 < osoverflow> Now I connected to other node. I think that 8 connections are good enough
17:13 <@molz> osoverflow, i have a list of nodes you can open channels with and some fun sites to play:  https://paste.ee/p/tV5Q9#vdboeIFdBecRVODWFQ1a38XJfrCGVntb
17:13 < subz> ^     
17:14 < subz> ;)     
17:15 < subz> so if i my node is live right now
17:15 < subz> and i allow external ip, will i just see channels being created here and there as other nodes set them up?
17:16 <@roasbeef> subz: if ou allow external ip, the nnodes will eventually connect out to you 
17:16 < subz> im not sure how to do that unfortunately, is it a switch when i do npm run dev command?
17:17 <@roasbeef> hmm, you're using the app? 
17:17 < subz> yeah
17:17 <@roasbeef> well if it's on a computer that isn't online most of the time, doesn't really make sense to enable external ip 
17:17 < subz> got lightning app installed and running, and zap running
17:17 <@roasbeef> gotcha 
17:17 < subz> right... but i would like to know how to
17:17 <@roasbeef> but yeh you can use externalip 
17:18 < subz> npm run dev --externalip=1.2.3.4 ?
17:18 <@roasbeef> then when you try to poen the channel, it should automatically try to connect 
17:18 <@roasbeef> i think there's some additional syntax required to pass it thru to the running app 
17:18 <@roasbeef> alternatively you can start up lnd, *then* start the app 
17:18 <@roasbeef> when you start up lnd, you put your custom args 
17:19 < subz> that is the only way i have gotten zap to sync with the blockchain, is by having lightning gui running, and zap wallet running at the same time
17:19 < subz> launch lightning and then launch zap wallet
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17:19 <@roasbeef> shouldn't be the case, but maybe you have  aparticualr set up 
17:19 <@roasbeef> ah they may be trying to use the same datadir, etc 
17:19 <@roasbeef> and the ordering helps
17:19 < subz> i see
17:20 < subz> for some reason, i have no /bin in my zap-wallet dir to paste the lnd.exe
17:20 < subz> https://medium.com/@jadmubaslat/bitcoin-lightning-network-node-easy-setup-tutorial-for-windows-desktop-users-a-how-to-guide-9937b5a8a669
17:20 < subz> used that guide to set it up
17:22 < osoverflow> Thanks @molz, once I connect to some nodes, and fund them, how can I open my daemon to listen for connections?
17:26 < osoverflow> Ok, got it connected :D
17:26 < osoverflow> now I'm going to test a buy in the demo stores :)
17:27 < subz> good luck!
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17:35 < osoverflow> I have a question
17:35 < osoverflow> is it possible to refill a channel without creating a new one?
17:35 < subz> hmmm
17:36 < subz> i don't think so, every presentation i have seen only reduces initial funds put in until its setled on chain
17:38 < osoverflow> That could be a good feature, specially for exchanges. They could refill a channel once it is getting empty, that way they do not need to have too much funds allocated in a single channel
17:39 <@molz> someone else who can route to your node can pay you 
17:42 < subz> plus don't have to open up a new channel, which broadcasts
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17:55 <@molz> there's a talk about LN in french if anyone's interested: https://youtu.be/DxqTzTwFKnM
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19:50 < wamde> hey there
19:51 < wamde> I'm running into issues when running lnd off of the public faucet
19:51 < wamde> RVR: unable to connect to 02159057f4ab3613934dacbda11b2b617f673284e88e259c884800a93b39a2313b@127.0.0.1:9735: EOF
19:51 < wamde> any hints on what to check?
19:52 < wamde> I'm using a local IP behind a router FWIW
19:52 < wamde> and I haven't explicitly routed any ports to my lnd box
19:58 <@roasbeef> wamde: you're trying to connect to yourself? 
19:58 <@roasbeef> (targetting local host) 
20:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNTs9
20:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 4ac0451 Conner Fromknecht: Reliable Breach Arbiter Handoff (#445)...
20:05 < wamde> so I'm just running lnd for now
20:06 < wamde> it's trying to bootstrap connections I guess
20:06 < wamde> I'm not even trying to create a channel yet
20:06 < wamde> lnd --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.testnet --debuglevel=debug --neutrino.active --neutrino.connect=faucet.lightning.community --externalip=x.x.x.x
20:06 < wamde> with the xxxx replaced obv
20:07 <@roasbeef> wamde: args look good, what issue are you seeing exactly? 
20:07 < wamde> that unable to connect error above
20:08 < wamde> that state seems wonky because of this:
20:08 < wamde> $ lncli connect 02f1da524a70afd8de6019e2367b47d8d41a623aa3594f55d0785fe1b047c853bc@faucet.lightning.community:9735 [lncli] rpc error: code = OutOfRange desc = EOF
20:09 <@roasbeef> the faucet's pubkey is 03ef1a14c1d33d820bc34c59bc4082cf8fc4b3eec6002efb1d6a4f37a2506fae4f
20:09 <@roasbeef> lol the tuts get out of date at times, when I upgrade it :p 
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20:12 < wamde> ha lemme try that
20:13 < wamde> that worked, got 1 peer now
20:18 < simlay> I pulled that latest commit and got: https://paste.ee/p/E7BEZ
20:20 <@roasbeef> db change 
20:20 <@roasbeef> ;)      
20:31 < lndbot1> <bluewall> Ahh, same here
20:31 < lndbot1> <bluewall> no recovery possible?
20:32 < simlay> Ah, yes. After a bit of research, I can't find a boltdb migration tool. 
20:32 <@roasbeef> a migration tool is already in place
20:33 <@roasbeef> we just don't migrate at this stage as we haven't done a stable release 
20:33 <@roasbeef> to upgrade, go back one commit, close out your channels, then roll forward 
20:33 < lndbot1> <bluewall> ++
20:33 <@roasbeef> and send the funds elsewhere also, so you can get them back to your old wallet 
20:34 < simlay> Cool.
20:35 <@roasbeef> yeh once a stable release is out, we'll start using this stuff again: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/channeldb/db.go#L483
20:36 <@roasbeef> we did in the past, but then just dropped off as we started to accumulate a bit, and nothing was at stake so wasn't worth it to keep adding the migration code 
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20:37 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNTGH
20:37 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 9bd2730 Brian KimJohnson: server: add bootstrap peers to  persistent peers for conn retry...
20:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #500: Private channel integration test (master...private-channel-integration-test) https://git.io/vbPgK
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21:24 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] cfromknecht opened pull request #563: Cleanup Directory Structure (master...directory-structure) https://git.io/vNTnL
21:26 <@roasbeef> ^ will also be breaking-ish, but after that we won't ever change the datadir directory again 
21:26 <@roasbeef> atm it's a bit funky, but that PR will reconsile the funkiness 
21:26 <@roasbeef> funk-b-gone
21:26 < lndbot1> <bluewall> :slightly_smiling_face:
21:27 <@roasbeef> nah actually we got the funk, gotta have that funk 
21:28 < lndbot1> <conner> so this is forevaeva, forevaeva?
21:29 < lndbot1> <bluewall> till the next time ;)
21:35 < subz> :D     
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21:52 < lndbot1> <bluewall> 2018-01-06 00:49:44.467 [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: chacha20poly1305: message authentication failedI see a lot of these:
21:57 < subz> good to see LTC and LN working together!
21:57 < subz> i haven't come across those lndbot1
21:58 < lndbot1> <bluewall> I thin kLTC invoices are broken atm.
22:08 < wamde> which ports shall I forward if I want my node to be publicly available? tcp/18333?
22:10 < wamde> or 9735?
22:10 < simlay> 9735
22:11 < wamde> sweet, thanks
22:13 < simlay> You can also change that with the port `listen=9735` parameter.
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