--- Day changed Mon Feb 12 2018 00:04 < rompert> slip, mlz: i have temporary fees. originially i set the fee values at 0 or as low as possibly, but i got some strange errors when routing and someone told me it could be fee related so i bumped it up...a lot..., and it helped :) 00:13 -!- creslin [~textual@deposing-waterfront.volia.net] has joined #lnd 00:13 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 00:42 < rompert> should look better now i hope 01:02 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 01:04 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 01:18 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 01:26 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30 < mlz> rompert, ahahaha... so you're indeed a robber .. lol jk 02:31 < zyp> robbers must be expected, LN nodes need to be prepared to reject paying too steep fees 02:32 < mlz> yup 02:34 -!- RusAlex_ [~Chel@89-212-19-164.static.t-2.net] has joined #lnd 02:34 < mlz> rompert, what kind of strange errors did you get when your fees were low? I think when your node status was inactive people couldn't route thru you, not because of low fees 02:36 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:37 -!- jukuli [jrasi@kapsi.fi] has joined #lnd 02:39 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:53 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 02:57 -!- RusAlex_ [~Chel@89-212-19-164.static.t-2.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:58 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 03:23 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilcvnujiewwtumqh] has quit [] 03:24 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fobhwktdzrnqbsso] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:bccf:1595:2bad:ad39] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 03:28 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has joined #lnd 03:32 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 03:41 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 04:08 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 04:13 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@ip68-225-204-8.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lnd 04:17 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@ip68-225-204-8.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has joined #lnd 04:26 < rompert> i honestly don't remember the errors. i'll see if they pop up again. have a newer lnd now and lower fees 04:29 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 04:32 < mlz> rompert, you got your lnd updated? 04:32 < mlz> lnd node* 04:35 -!- tmus [~tmus@194.177.231.78] has joined #lnd 04:39 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39 < tmus> Are there any current thoughts on securing high availability of lnd though some type of clustering? 04:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 04:41 < rompert> mlz a later version than i had when i had the issues with fees yes. there are many issues so i can't keep track of them all. it's not ready for mainnet, as you all know. but i guess not all issues on mainnet happen on testnet, so i really should keep track... 04:42 < rompert> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ltCVl4IH/ 04:43 < rompert> right now i'm getting flooded by these things for instance... 04:43 < mlz> rompert, afaik you have to close channels before updates, things happen on testnet sure will happen on mainnet 04:43 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 04:44 < rompert> mlz yes but for instance the fee estimator probably has more issues on mainnet than on testnet 04:44 < mlz> LN fees on LN have nothing to do with onchain fees though? 04:45 < mlz> rompert, if LN fees are so high, what's the purpose to use LN? they will just be onchain 04:45 < rompert> i mean the onchain fees for opening and closing the channels 04:47 < rompert> for instance it sometimes estimates too high, and sometimes too low so you have to wait a day or so to get your channel up. you can specify manually if you want of course 04:49 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50 -!- bryanvu_ [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 04:50 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 04:50 < rompert> anyhows the errors above are from talking with c-lightning nodes, no idea what their issue with channel fees ranges are, and mine are set to `updatechanpolicy 900 0.000001` 04:52 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:53 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 04:54 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 04:54 < mlz> yup there's some serious issue with c-lightning fees 04:55 < mlz> on testnet i can't open channels with some c-lightning nodes due to the fee disagreement between two implementations or something wrong with c-lightning so here we goes... the same problems on mainnet 05:13 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 05:28 -!- henri [8ba2b980@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.162.185.128] has joined #lnd 05:31 -!- Mark__ [5bd4cf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.212.207.4] has joined #lnd 05:40 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 05:40 -!- Osso [~osso@35.1.40.190] has joined #lnd 05:40 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:42 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 05:43 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 05:48 < slip> mlz, sup. Been a long long long ass day 05:49 < mlz> morning :D 05:49 < slip> heh morning I wish. Had to get up to stockholm and back to linköping all in one day 05:49 -!- henri [8ba2b980@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.162.185.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:49 < slip> and slept like 2hours last...morning ? 05:51 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:52 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 05:53 < slip> yeah thats why c-lighting sucks *reading above* 05:54 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Client Quit] 05:55 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 06:00 < mlz> lol 06:09 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09 < grzs> you guys think it will be profitable on its own to route LN traffic, or would it tend to avg zero profit like mining? 06:10 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 06:10 < Sentineo> i hope the first :) 06:10 < contrapumpkin> I don't think it'll be very profitable 06:11 < grzs> I mean, hard to say probably. because you expose your hot wallet, lotta risk in there 06:12 < Sentineo> yeah I hope it will be an incentive to not centralise much 06:12 < Sentineo> as you rise your risk if you are a hub 06:12 < grzs> and people being people, I bet routing LN for someone else only as a business venture will lead theft eating up profits, over all 06:12 < contrapumpkin> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7nhwhm/lightning_surely_fees_can_never_be_close_to_zero/ds22ft4/ was my thinking around it, but I'm probably wrong :) 06:13 < grzs> but if you use it spontaneously you also gain utility, basically cutting down costs of tx and speeding up tx 06:13 < grzs> contrapumpkin: thanks 06:13 < grzs> I'm always wrong so, join the club 06:19 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:21 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 06:22 < mlz> grzs, if LN fees are too high, people will either 1. stop playing the guessing game of routing, only connect directly to the nodes they want to transact with 06:22 < mlz> or 2. stop using LN, just do every tx onchain 06:24 < grzs> mlz: yeah, anyhow it will be very interesting to see the market mature 06:26 < grzs> I mean, every node is free to set its own fees in channel, capacity available and even lie to other nodes? 06:30 -!- Teserdas [9960203e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.96.32.62] has joined #lnd 06:30 < mlz> well if they lie to other nodes, they can only do it once 06:32 < grzs> I see 06:37 -!- Teserdas [9960203e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.96.32.62] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:42 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@2a01:c23:c40e:4300:88bb:1236:e13e:fee7] has joined #lnd 06:45 < rompert> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6w83iPKM/ 06:45 < rompert> that's another fee related thing that annoys me in the logs ^ 06:50 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@2a01:c23:c40e:4300:88bb:1236:e13e:fee7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:53 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@x4dbee135.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 06:55 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:57 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@ip68-225-204-8.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lnd 06:58 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:72a3:5780:f492:1888] has joined #lnd 07:05 -!- B0g4r7 [nobody@208.76.201.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@ip68-225-204-8.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:08 -!- CodeShark [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dmsxjppardkwgvpf] has quit [] 07:09 -!- CodeShark [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvmwafrwnyobaqer] has joined #lnd 07:09 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@x4dbee135.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:09 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@x4dbee135.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 07:11 -!- henri_ [8ba2b980@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.162.185.128] has joined #lnd 07:19 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 07:22 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvgbudxdnooeytzv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:28 < mlz> rompert, are you trying to close a channel? 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I am in a qemu instance using spice. 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12:34 < rompert> oh i thought it was a competition of speaking minority languages 12:34 <@roasbeef> rompert: fee rate is a %, the base fee is in msat 12:35 < slip> rompert, btw thx for sorting that out 12:35 < rompert> @roasbeef yes got it. or a whatever you call percentages when it is not multiplied by 100 . but other things on commandline are in sat though. which they probably should be. 12:42 < mlz> slip, oh cool :D 12:48 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@rift-134.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:49 <@roasbeef> well everything is in sat, except fees 12:49 <@roasbeef> would making it be an acvtual percentage ont eh command line easier? 12:50 <@roasbeef> rn it's the raw rate in decimal 12:50 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 12:52 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 12:55 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:57 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 12:59 < slip> mlz, I am actually tempted to just do a upgrade and pray it does not brake the beans out of my node. queryroutes would be nice to have. 13:00 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04 < slip> roasbeef, is the fixed queryroutes in master now? 13:05 <@roasbeef> not yet 13:07 < mlz> what type of queryroutes is this? i thought we've had it all along, what's "not yet"? roasbeef 13:07 <@roasbeef> just faster 13:07 <@roasbeef> if you remember early in the testnet days it was actually usable 13:07 < mlz> ah yes 13:09 < slip> roasbeef, how are you going to mitigate the issue? Move io intensives to ram? 13:10 < mlz> i think mably was the only one that bugged roasbeef a lot about queryroutes :D 13:10 < slip> Or people asking annoying questions =) 13:13 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 13:13 < slip> mlz, How do you get payouts from y'all? Have like 1 dollar waiting for me. Rolling in cash! 13:14 < mlz> you give it an invoice 13:14 < mlz> lncli addinvoice 100 13:15 < slip> you an do that to y'all? 13:15 < mlz> there's a place on that site for you to paste your invoice? 13:15 < slip> Where do I give it? 13:16 < mlz> idk 13:16 < lndbot> Press “Earned:” 13:16 < slip> when you post something you can put a wallet address but there is no invoice. 13:17 < mlz> isn't that great? the future of internet payments and transactions is being revolutionized and we're the first pioneers! :D 13:17 < lndbot> Put your node pubkey and it will allow you to withdraw to that 13:18 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:19 < slip> thx bot Ill try it again. yeah mlz kinda neat. Would be neater if we could have been the pioneers of mining though =) 13:19 < mlz> oh.. don't say it i'd feel sick ... lol 13:20 < slip> Wanna feel really sick. Ne0future bought 3000 BTC at 30 cents each. he sold about 2000 of them for 1 usd 13:20 < slip> and the rest he kinda sold here and there for like 100-200 bucks 13:21 < slip> he is broke now. That is sick 13:27 < slip> mlz and then you got this guy proving he has 40000 BTC in his wallet and says he has up to 130000. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ozkh/rogerver_lets_make_a_deal_1_for_1_trade_at_least/ 13:28 < mlz> wow 13:29 < mlz> yup. i guess i migh've done the same 13:37 < rompert> @roasbeef no i like it as it is. just struggling to find the proper word to use instead of "percentage". since it isn't per *cent* is it? i mean.... if taxes are 15 percent you write 15 as a percentage, not 0.15 ... english is not my native language, but i can't remember the word in any human language i know. i know per cent and per mille, but per 1 ? peruno ? 13:37 <@roasbeef> well it's a rate so like `fee*rate` 13:38 <@roasbeef> default rn is 0.000001 13:39 <@roasbeef> or 0.0001% 13:39 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:39 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has joined #lnd 13:40 -!- Osso [~osso@35.1.40.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:47 -!- akihabara [akihabara@206.ip-51-254-38.eu] has quit [] 13:50 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd 13:50 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:50 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 13:51 < rompert> @roasbeef yup yup i got it. all clear 13:56 -!- tenev [~tenev@89.205.125.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:00 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gkxckesijgafxhmg] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fobhwktdzrnqbsso] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:16 < slip> rompert, so its safe to send another 20 sat to mlz? 14:16 < mlz> lmao 14:16 < mlz> :rofl: 14:17 -!- akihabara [~psyco@206.ip-51-254-38.eu] has joined #lnd 14:17 < slip> last time I did that I got violated. *points to little doll* 14:18 < rompert> of course. but first i just must do the normal AML and KYC thing since lightning is run by banks. can you send a selfie with your passport and make a duckface? 14:18 < slip> rompert, oh in that case let me hide my crack boat first. 14:19 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:24 < mlz> lmao 14:25 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:bccf:1595:2bad:ad39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:28 < slip> roasbeef, why did you remove the ability to send btc without a invoice. Was thinking about tipping ect. 14:29 < mlz> slip, because you can reuse the same payment image and it's not safe 14:30 < slip> roasbeef, how about a deterministic one? That would prevent the same one? 14:31 < slip> roasbeef, hide the internals and just have a "send to" button 14:31 < mlz> i think we had it before just for testing/debugging 14:32 < slip> mlz, yeah looks that way. 14:32 < mlz> i asked mably about this and he told me, "If you reuse a payment hash/preimage, your funds can be stolen, that's why it was for debugging purpose only." 14:34 < slip> mlz, oh shit. Then I missed the importance. Thought it was a matter of privacy. 14:35 < mlz> slip, i still hope we'll have a choice though 14:35 < slip> wonder if you could predictably salt the hash... 14:35 < mlz> with invoices or without invoices for small amounts 14:36 < slip> anyway I should prolly take a look at the code and really understand what is going on. Problem is golang is really weird in my eyes 14:37 < slip> mlz, the cool thing with open source is that anybody can do what they want with it. So if people want it ... it will happen. 14:38 -!- foo9944 [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has joined #lnd 14:44 < slip> mlz, this ln app is kinda net. you try it? 14:44 < mlz> slip, lightning app? yes 14:47 < slip> yeah, have not tried zap yet. Might give it a spin. 14:50 < rompert> hmmm... regarding sending unsolicited money without invoice, that must be easy to solve. if nothing else works, you can make a new signal to send over the network to the recipient like "hey, give me an invoice of 100 sat" and then just pay it... which all can be made under the hood 14:52 < rompert> or did i miss something, or is that already planned? 14:58 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 15:01 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 15:05 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 15:14 <@roasbeef> it wasn't changed slip 15:14 <@roasbeef> you just need to get the arguments correctly 15:16 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl4-53-189.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #750: chainntnfs: ensure all block epoch notifications are sent *in order* (master...block-epoch-queue) https://git.io/vALEv 15:17 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 15:17 < slip> roasbeef, what wasn't changed? 15:20 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 15:20 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:21 -!- akihabara [~psyco@206.ip-51-254-38.eu] has quit [] 15:24 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:27 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 15:30 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 15:33 <@roasbeef> ability to send w/o an invoice 15:36 < mlz> roasbeef, how? 15:36 < mlz> roasbeef, we've been trying like we did before, doesn't work 15:38 -!- akihabara [~psyco@206.ip-51-254-38.eu] has joined #lnd 15:38 < mlz> roasbeef, there's another thing that's been annoying: LND wallet has coins in legacy but i can't send the coins out, it keeps saying "insufficient funds available to construct transaction" 15:43 <@roasbeef> you gotta proviede _all_ the details manually 15:44 <@roasbeef> look at sendpayment -h 15:44 <@roasbeef> shouldn't have n issue with legacy coins 15:46 < mlz> roasbeef, this is 'sencoinds' though 15:48 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 15:49 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@x4dbee135.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:53 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:54 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 < mlz> roasbeef, could you take a look at this, not sure what i'm missing: https://paste.ee/p/zwSr7#lKvWC654fdRCDWqON7oNCI3v9mqgFazc 15:55 < mlz> i have tried different amounts but none works 15:58 -!- oogle [~user@185.65.132.137] has joined #lnd 16:06 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@gateway/tor-sasl/lnostdal] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:07 <@roasbeef> hmm there's this bug with not removing attempted orphan or double spends 16:07 <@roasbeef> but ifyou use that dropwtxmgr then you can force a rescan 16:08 < mlz> i don't understand? the balance tells me all the coin is there? 16:09 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 16:13 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@fctnnbsc38w-47-55-95-227.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 16:14 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@fctnnbsc38w-47-55-95-227.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net] has joined #lnd 16:16 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@gateway/tor-sasl/lnostdal] has joined #lnd 16:18 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:20 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gkxckesijgafxhmg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:30 <@roasbeef> it may be that one of the coins are partially locked in a transaction 16:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAYPG 16:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 3e422fe Olaoluwa Osuntokun: channeldb: further GC optimizations during path finding... 16:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 33ba60c Olaoluwa Osuntokun: routing: modify findPaths to take an upper limit on the number of routes... 16:30 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 8a29c01 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: routing: modify FindRoutes to take a max number of routes to return 16:34 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 16:36 <@roasbeef> queryroutes shoudl be more usable now 16:36 <@roasbeef> it also takes a param on the number of routes 16:36 <@roasbeef> defaults to 10 16:36 <@roasbeef> did some more GC optimizations when reading from the db, so things should be a bit snappier and lower memory overall 16:39 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:41 < slip> roasbeef, guy over on #bitcoin seems to be getting this https://dpaste.de/y5pT when trying to connect to my lnd node. Any idea what that is? 16:41 <@roasbeef> he's on a diff chian 16:41 < slip> chain? 16:42 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 16:42 < slip> roasbeef, blockchain is the blockchain? 16:42 <@roasbeef> it's ass the error message says, you are on diff chains 16:43 < lndbot> testnet 16:45 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vAYXZ 16:45 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 7abdd30 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: routing: correct recent type change in heap_test.go 16:49 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 16:49 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:50 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 16:51 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 16:55 < mlz> ok i'm trying this to see if i can find my precious tbtc :D 16:55 < mlz> dropwtxmgr --db ~/.lnd/data/chain/bitcoin/testnet/wallet.db 16:56 < mlz> restarting btcd 16:57 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 16:58 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 17:01 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wifyelvjempnbhnw] has joined #lnd 17:08 < mlz> hm now i can't the lnd 17:09 < mlz> unable to create chain control: missing transaction manager namespace 17:16 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 17:19 -!- RezusMinus [RezusMinus@nova-153-092-135-157.cpe.nova.is] has joined #lnd 17:20 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:20 -!- tumi [tumi@u.nix.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20 -!- tumi [tumi@u.nix.is] has joined #lnd 17:20 < lightningbot1> uhoh 17:21 -!- dabura667_ [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 17:21 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:22 < lightningbot1> https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcwallet/blob/master/wallet/wallet.go#L2604 17:22 <@roasbeef> which one didyou use? https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcwallet/tree/master/cmd/dropwtxmgr? 17:26 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 17:31 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:36 -!- wacawacawaca [~user@wsip-66-210-9-178.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 17:38 -!- contrapumpkin is now known as Whale 17:38 -!- Whale is now known as contrapumpkin 17:39 -!- contrapumpkin is now known as Whale 17:39 -!- Whale is now known as contrapumpkin 17:40 -!- foo9944 [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 17:47 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 18:01 < mlz> roasbeef, yea 18:01 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:03 -!- Osso [~osso@162-225-190-212.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 18:05 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:06 <@roasbeef> you sure, there's an issue with a prior version that had that issue 18:22 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:72a3:5780:f492:1888] has joined #lnd 18:24 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 18:28 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@gateway/tor-sasl/lnostdal] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:46 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 18:51 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 19:03 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 19:21 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:24 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:24 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 19:26 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [] 19:27 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 19:27 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:27 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 19:28 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:29 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 19:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 19:35 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 19:40 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:44 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 19:49 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 19:58 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:01 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 20:09 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 20:18 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has joined #lnd 20:22 -!- rjromero [~rjromero@153.33.8.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30 < mbaril010> Hey guys how can I find the pub key of my node ? 20:32 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 21:07 < mbaril010> Humm anyone here 21:07 -!- RezusMinus [RezusMinus@nova-153-092-135-157.cpe.nova.is] has quit [] 21:11 -!- Osso [~osso@162-225-190-212.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:17 < oogle> lncli getinfo 21:33 -!- oogle [~user@185.65.132.137] has quit [Quit: oogle] 21:50 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 21:59 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 22:03 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 22:06 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:23 -!- murrayn [~dafuq@unaffiliated/murrayn] has quit [Quit: Adios mofos] 22:44 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 22:55 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]