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04:13 < raucao> hi. i just updated lnd for the first time since installing it in december. after finding out about the changed config keys, everything seems to be ok
04:13 < raucao> except after entering my password it tells me: [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = wallet not found
04:13 < raucao> that's definitely the wallet password i had used all the time until today
04:14 < raucao> any idea how i could debug this? maybe i'm missing another config change for the wallet location or sth?
04:42 < Veggen> wallet placement has changed.
04:43 < Veggen> you can try moving .lnd/data/bitcoin/testnet/wallet.db to .lnd/data/chain/bitcoin/testnet/wallet.db
04:43 < Veggen> but also, note that channel.db is changed. All channels would be gone.
04:46 < Veggen> but as this is testnet coins, I guess it's of no real importance.
04:47 < Veggen> (right now, maintaining db migration tools are seen as wasted work, as there's no version recommended to use on mainnet anyways)
04:51 < raucao> ok thx
04:52 < raucao> so i guess creating a new one is as good as moving that
04:53 < Veggen> wallet.db, you could try moving.
04:53 < Veggen> channel.db, just ditch.
04:53 < raucao> ok     
04:53 < raucao> looks like running in mainnet mode still uses /bitcoin/testnet as location?
04:53 < raucao> (i just tried mainnet for the first time)
04:53 < Veggen> unless you feel like trying to roll back, close channels, keep a separate old version around to claim the force-closed channels..
04:54 < raucao> no need to claim those
04:54 < raucao> just testcoins
04:54 < Veggen> raucao: depends which version you run on mainnet. There is no such thing as "mainnet" version.
04:54 < raucao> not sure what you mean
04:55 < raucao> i didn't say there was
04:55 < raucao> but there's clearly a config flag for testnet=0
04:55 < raucao> i'm running latest master
04:55 < Veggen> oh, bitcoin/testnet/ path...yah. could be. mainnet has not been a priority :)
04:55 < raucao> ack     
04:56 < raucao> there are some other things that would need updating i guess. for example the macaroon files are stored without scope
04:56 < raucao> i mean for running both side by side
04:56 < raucao> anyway, thanks for helping
04:56 < raucao> appreciate it
04:56 < Veggen> running side by side, you'd create separate .lnd, changing ports etc...
04:57 < raucao> yes, that's what i did
04:57 < raucao> it's just that the stuff in datadir is not really optimized for it yet
04:57 < raucao> i guess i'll create a whole different datadir for it for now
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06:01 < zyp> I like keeping them in containers, makes it easy to run multiple instances
06:29 < mlz> raucao, if your lnd was two months ago, i would delete the whole .lnd data, pull the latest commit, compile, start over
06:30 < mlz> raucao, but first, if you had any channels open, close them first
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07:17 < Veggen> mlz: MOst people on testnet will soon close channels anyhow, so not worth it for him to roll back to do it, I guess.
07:20 < mlz> yea i guess.. but on principle if he can roll back to close the channels then it's better
07:20 < mlz> since channels have indefinite lifespan, i guess if we don't close them they can live as zombies for ever and ever and ever :D :D :D
07:21 < Veggen> mlz: well, if both nodes have forgotten them, won't they eventually stoppign being broadcasted?
07:21 < mlz> probably
07:22 < Veggen> sure, the multi-sig-addresses would hold the funds.
07:29 < mlz> c-lightning has something called 'dev-forget-channel', do we have something similar?
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09:10 < JackH> where is there a list of features currently used/discussed and described in LND? for example, features such as opening a channel, or closing a channel. Is there such a list even? 
09:11 < mlz> lncli help
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09:52 < Veggen> Hmm. Could you run with all LNDs keys on a HSM of some sort? For example a yubikey?
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10:29 < mlz> Veggen, i imagine it could but idk
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14:52 <@roasbeef> Veggen: interface wise, yes, see lnwallet.Signer, gets a bit easier too with the PR that added deterministic HD key derivation for all keys used within channels and the wallet's keys as well  
14:55 <@roasbeef> BashCo: channels that haven't sent out a heartbeat update for 2 weeks ish are pruned as zombies. we do this in order to attempt to maintain a "lively" network view, most of the people on testnet/mainnet just went on to do some demo, them closed their laptop or w/e. those channels don't need to be advertised, only those of routing nodes do 
14:55 <@roasbeef> raucao: there is no mainnet mode
14:56 <@roasbeef> raucao: but yeh there was a change in the directory structure, and will also soon be a change in the way we do key derivation 
14:56 <@roasbeef> mlz: dev-forget-channel? what's it do/
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15:22 < mlz> roasbeef, i'm not sure, looks like it's a function to delete a channel:  https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/55d962046be86e0ec4d174ecc892a9670d13c53d/lightningd/peer_control.c#L2850
15:22 <@roasbeef> ah     
15:22 < mlz> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/55d962046be86e0ec4d174ecc892a9670d13c53d/lightningd/peer_control.c#L2922
15:22 <@roasbeef> well we never really delete chanenls
15:22 <@roasbeef> even after they're closed
15:22 <@roasbeef> we create a "close channel summary" for record keeping purposes 
15:27 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8Pq
15:27 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master b8e1351 practicalswift: multi: fix some recently introduced typos
15:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #739: Fix recently introduced typos (master...typos-ii) https://git.io/vAfmJ
15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vA8PG
15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 2eb9059 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: torsvc: add support for stream isolation...
15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master abcf822 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: config: add new option to the tor config for stream isolation
15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 2aac20e Olaoluwa Osuntokun: docs: update sample-lnd.conf with Tor info
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15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master aca0c93 Wilmer Paulino: cmd/lncli: add 'connect' flag to openchannel command...
15:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 8329a31 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #585 from wilmerpaulino/openchannel-connect...
15:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #219: Send to route (master...send-to-route) https://git.io/vHdGc
15:32 < BashCo> okay cool. If the person opens their laptop and sends out a new heartbeat, then I assume the channel is advertised again.
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16:00 < mlz> roasbeef, for "updatechanpolicy" if i give value of "20" to  "-time_lock_delta" is it counted as 20 hours or what is it? 
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