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00:29 < Veggen> Hmm. https://www.coindesk.com/laolu-building-watchtower-fight-bitcoin-lightning-fraud/
00:29 < Veggen> some inaccuracies there, though?
00:30 < Veggen> But if the Lightning Network becomes the go-to channel for everyday bitcoin transactions, this vigilance would become quite burdensome. As such, the watchtower concept allows users to outsource the "eternal vigilance" to other entities, who will send users a message should something look awry.
00:30 < Veggen> (quote from article)
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04:39 < BB-Martino> Unacceptable channel constraints: minimum HTLC value is too large: 1e-08 0 > -1
04:40 < BB-Martino> I can hardly open any channels because of that. Seeing the github issue I guess it means that the peer is rejecting the channel, by giving a constraint of -1
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05:37 < mlz> BB-Martino, are you trying to open a channel from a LND node to a c-lightning node?
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06:54 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] tamasblummer opened pull request #49: fix a typo and add .idea to .gitignore (master...typo_and_gitignore) https://git.io/vAgkd
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07:00 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] tamasblummer opened pull request #50: Correct types for headerfs (master...correct_types_for_headerfs2) https://git.io/vAgIo
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08:47 < hxla> Hello, I'm running a lnd node on testnet for testing purposes, and I've noticed that it does not support rpc auth without macaroon, so which is the better way to connect to a lnd node from another machine? best way to share the macaroon, etc
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10:20 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] tamasblummer opened pull request #51: Resolved: TODO(roasbeef): similar interface for headerfs? (master...add_headerfs_interfaces) https://git.io/vAgaC
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12:19 <@roasbeef> hxla: you've gotta trnasfer the macaroons 
12:19 <@roasbeef> they're credentials, they're necessary but not for access to certain PRC's
12:20 <@roasbeef> BB-Martino: yeh what node are you trying to open to? clightning? there's a compat issue we're trying to track down there 
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12:23 < hxla> @roasbeef thinking in a dynamic structure (testned will be created when it's needed) is there a way to not use macaroons? I've tried but I got a msg saying it would not start in a ip that it's not localhost without macaroons :(
12:23 <@roasbeef> why would you _not_ want to use authentication? 
12:23 <@roasbeef> do you understand that w/o that, anyone can issue arbitrary commmands? 
12:23 < hxla> it's just a test env on the testnet
12:24 <@roasbeef> do you find it cumbersome to transport the macaroons? 
12:24 <@roasbeef> you need to do the exact same thing for the tls cert as well 
12:24 < hxla> if it supports rpc user and pass, like the btcd would be fine, but I don't think it supports
12:25 <@roasbeef> macaroons are far more flexible that user/pass
12:25 < hxla> as the env it's dynamic, the dev would launch a custom docker instance in the cloud, that would expose only the lnd and btcd ports
12:26 < hxla> for production I believe in you, but for my specific use case, unless I could use a fixed macaroon, I don't think it will help me
12:26 <@roasbeef> the env would _still_ need to fetch the cert 
12:26 <@roasbeef> you're requesting a massive security reduction for convenience? 
12:27 < hxla> the cert could be in the docker image, that's ok, but I don't think this could be done with macaroon
12:27 < hxla> if the node is running on testnet, I don't see this as a big issue
12:27 < hxla> what are the security risks on the testnet?
12:28 <@roasbeef> yes the macaroon would also be in the docker image
12:28 < hxla> so I can set a macaroon that would never change?
12:29 <@roasbeef> if you're using a volume in the docker container, then it'll persist through restarts 
12:30 < hxla> If it will not gerenate a different macarron on every start, it fits my needs
12:31 <@roasbeef> if you persist the storage, it won't 
12:31 <@roasbeef> as in use a volume within the container 
12:32 < hxla> i'll try this, or inserting one when the image is built
12:32 < hxla> thanks for the info
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14:43 <@roasbeef> np     
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15:07 < ajunas> is it supposed to take a while for LND to sync up with the channel graph?
15:09 < ajunas> also, does it need to finish initial syncing before lncli works? because right now I'm getting "rpc error: code = Unkown desc = cannot retrieve macaroon: unable to decrypt"
15:09 < ajunas> from typing "lncli getinfo"
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15:29 < ajunas> i disabled macaroons and it fixed it but i dont relaly know what the macaroons thing is
15:29 < ajunas> ill investigate later
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16:41 < lndbot> <tyzbit> macaroons are like auth cookies, but with more granular and powerful permissions
16:41 < lndbot> <tyzbit> https://research.google.com/pubs/pub41892.html
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17:18 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #773: aezeed: add new package implementing the aezeed cipher seed scheme  (master...aezeed) https://git.io/vA2nq
17:25 <@roasbeef> ^ our BIP39 replacement
17:25 <@roasbeef> it's upgradeable
17:25 <@roasbeef> and you can even change your passphrase 
17:25 <@roasbeef> and the wallet itself can pass in an internal version so it knows *how* to derive the keys
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17:35 < mlz> wooot
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18:01 < mlz> roasbeef, i've got the pr, what should i look for? i don't see it give the seed like bip39
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18:11 <@roasbeef> mlz: i need to update that other PR to use the new scheme 
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18:12 < mlz> oh.. ok 
18:14 <@roasbeef> afterwards the 3 Pr's can be merged 
18:14 <@roasbeef> new key derivaiton, new seed, add the seed to the create PRC and cli command 
18:14 <@roasbeef> coming together reaaaal nice like 
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18:19 < mlz> awesome 
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20:19 < amgadpasha> \join #egypt
20:20 < mlz>  0_o
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20:20 < amgadpasha> :/     
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21:30 < ajunas> is lncli openchannel supposed to work while in autopilot?
21:30 < ajunas> i can't open any channels
21:30 < mlz> what's the error?
21:30 < ajunas> also, autopilot mode is on and its not opening any channels on its own, even though it has connect to 90 peers, is that normal behavior?
21:30 < ajunas> it just hangs, no response
21:31 < mlz> probably the other node is offline or non-existent
21:31 < ajunas> hm     
21:31 < ajunas> im just trying to open channels with random peers my node is connected to, is there a way to see which ones are active
21:34 < mlz> i don't openchannels with random nodes that have no interactions with my nodes
21:35 < ajunas> lol     
21:35 < ajunas> was there a past.ee link for available LN services ?
21:36 < mlz> i still have the list but haven't checked the list for a week or so
21:38 < ajunas> could i see it ?
21:40 < mlz> yea sec
21:40 < ajunas> :D     
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21:48 < mlz> https://paste.ee/p/BCZSB#xQiA2wwO75OfespzTWfIHCxGTyNLVzS1
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22:08 <@roasbeef> ajunas: what's your max channel setting? 
22:10 < ajunas> thx mlz
22:10 < ajunas> roasbeef: i have --autopilot.maxchannels=50
22:11 < ajunas> no sorry, 100
22:11 <@roasbeef> hmm yeh there's a bug i'm trying to track down with excessive autopilot settings triggering a connection negative feedback loop 
22:11 < ajunas> also i have --autopilot.allocation=50
22:11 <@roasbeef> note that there likely aren't even 100 active reachable nodes on testnet in the first place
22:12 < ajunas> haha ok, i just set it to something high
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22:26 < Veggen> wee...looking forward to your next "last breaking change", roasbeef :)
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