--- Day changed Fri Mar 02 2018 00:07 -!- rashbit [546f16ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.111.22.173] has joined #lnd 00:18 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a01:c23:b80f:b600:8099:41ab:5369:a0d6] has joined #lnd 00:28 -!- JackH [~laptop@i25091.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:40 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a01:c23:b80f:b600:8099:41ab:5369:a0d6] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:44 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:52 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 00:56 -!- naribia [2fbd49aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.189.73.170] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 01:01 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 01:05 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:20 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lnd 01:27 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-076-084-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-220-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 01:39 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@wnavab-n2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lnd 01:55 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 01:56 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:00 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:00 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:01 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:04 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:09 < raucao> hi. i'm trying to understand how route discovery works. it kind of sounds like every node would have to keep an updated map of the entire network from what i read so far 02:10 < raucao> i would assume that's not how it works, but it's hard to find an easy explainer for these things 02:27 < Veggen> raucao: Right now., it is like that. 02:28 < raucao> right now means that scaling this is on the roadmap for soon? 02:28 < raucao> obviously this wouldn't work with millions of users 02:28 < Veggen> no, obviously not. 02:29 < raucao> so where could i find discussion about solving this? 02:29 < raucao> for following 02:30 < Veggen> right now, priority is getting a stable version out. routing will be improved a later stage. 02:32 < Veggen> http://bitfury.com/content/5-white-papers-research/whitepaper_flare_an_approach_to_routing_in_lightning_network_7_7_2016.pdf discussed one possible solution, though. 02:40 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:10 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has joined #lnd 03:11 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23 -!- meteo [~meteo@52.201.229.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 -!- iv4n [~iv4n@1.47.105.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36 -!- IniGit [~Gernot@62.178.56.62] has joined #lnd 03:38 -!- halil [~halil@95.9.212.238] has joined #lnd 03:38 -!- halil [~halil@95.9.212.238] has quit [Changing host] 03:38 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has joined #lnd 03:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 03:44 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has joined #lnd 04:05 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 04:09 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:12 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has joined #lnd 04:17 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl10-85-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lnd 04:31 -!- meteo [~meteo@52.201.229.182] has joined #lnd 04:39 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@fctnnbsc38w-47-55-95-227.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:40 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@fctnnbsc38w-47-55-95-227.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net] has joined #lnd 04:48 -!- B0g4r7 [nobody@208.76.201.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has joined #lnd 04:59 -!- usil_ [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 05:10 < mlz> testnet chain is so slow right now 05:27 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@wnavab-n2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49 -!- iv4n [~iv4n@1.47.105.24] has joined #lnd 06:10 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 06:13 -!- Bezpol [5bf6447a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.246.68.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:13 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:14 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:30 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 06:33 < lndbot> I can’t see if IRC people are still here, but that’s not exactly how it works 06:35 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:35 -!- Pioklo__ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 06:35 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36 < lndbot> if raucao is still here: every node has a sort of “fog of war” where they’re in the center and it gets foggier the further away you get. No node has to keep a full network map. What happens is when two nodes want to transact, they pick a semi-random node in the network, compare their routes to that node and then look for similarities between the routes where they can take shortcuts. There is more than one way to pick the route, and the sending 06:36 < lndbot> and responsibility of picking the route 06:37 < Veggen> tyzbit: Does it actually do this today? 06:38 < Veggen> need to study the routing more, I see. 06:39 < lndbot> I believe it does, I think it’s the sphinx part of the RFC 06:40 < lndbot> but I think the route selection is intentionally left out of the RFC because all that matters is that the daemon send a payment that is onion-encrypted with the next hop being in the next layer until it gets to its destination 06:40 < lndbot> what I described is how I think LND does it 06:42 < lndbot> you _could_ share and keep a full network graph but there’s no reason to, because worst case scenario, if you want to make a payment and can’t: just open a channel. then all the nodes near you can use you to route over to that part of the network. 06:48 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52 -!- halil_ [~halil@88.248.13.40] 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But still must understand all aspects of ln technology. 13:21 < naribia> roasbeef: on feb 24, and feb 28, lncli getnetworkinfo yielded num_channels: ~10,000, now its ~5,000 , about half as many 13:22 < naribia> total_network_capacity roughly halfed as well 13:22 < mlz> Bezpol, test it for a while before you install this to your bank 13:23 < mlz> naribia, do you expect channels on testnet will be there forever? 13:23 < Bezpol> Don't worry. 13:24 < naribia> mlz: are you just saying its a normal fluctuation? i haven't been tracking it that long so im just curious, seemed like an event maybe caused it, idk 13:24 < mlz> there's no event :P 13:25 < mlz> it's testnet, many people set up a node or two or 3 or 100 and then forget about them and turn off their machine 13:25 -github-onion:#lnd- [lightning-onion] EvertonMelo opened pull request #21: year's Update LICENSE (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vASap 13:25 < naribia> mlz: aight 13:28 < mlz> and for many others they create channels, then take down channels after they're done testing 13:30 < naribia> yeah, its just that the # channels between feb24 and 27 were roughly the same and then today it was about half 13:30 < naribia> but i haven't been tracking it more than that 13:30 < mlz> also, that explorer isn't updated regularly, what you saw before could be history 10 days ago, then nodes were taken down, now the explorer just got updated and suddenly a junk of nodes are gone, not gradually gone because the site isn't updated regularly 13:30 < naribia> which explorer? im using lncli getnetworkinfo 13:32 < mlz> well could be the same, nodes got taken down coincidentally at the same time 13:32 < afdudley> roasbeef: 13:32 < naribia> aight 13:32 < mlz> there are people who test LN or their biz or development, they create a lot of nodes 13:33 < mlz> so i expect them take down their nodes when they're done, i guess 13:33 < afdudley> ack, so lnd right now only knows about chains, so how would someone use lnd to trade a color coin? via a proxy that provided SPV access for the coin and then connect it as a chain? 13:33 < afdudley> "connect" or add 13:34 < mlz> s/or/for/ 13:35 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@gateway/tor-sasl/lnostdal] has joined #lnd 13:36 < afdudley> @conner: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/chainregistry.go 13:46 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 13:46 -!- Bezpol [25f8a0a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.248.160.167] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48 -!- mnkycycl [d5cdc213@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.205.194.19] has joined #lnd 13:48 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 13:51 <@roasbeef> afdudley: more fundamental question is what does the colored coin even _look_ like 13:51 < afdudley> agreed. 13:52 < afdudley> colored coins are a bit of a red herring my plan is to expose ERC20s as their own UTXO-style networks. 13:53 < afdudley> We could really do that with any stucture of coin... the goal is to obviously hide all that complexity from lnd. 13:54 <@roasbeef> well it needs to do state updates 13:54 <@roasbeef> what do those look like? 13:54 < afdudley> Also, I'm pretty sure HTLCs and UTXOs are sort of awesome together in a way that account based stuff can't be when we start talking about routing, but I could be wrong about that... :D I'm stealing a play from Poon's book in that regard. 13:55 <@roasbeef> is it just some special seqno on the commit, or just an op return or something? 13:55 < afdudley> we'd mirror the BTC HTLC protocol, expose the same interface. 13:55 <@roasbeef> how? if you're using colored coins? 13:56 <@roasbeef> it's a fundamental question before even asking for lnd support, you need to create an actual valid state machine 13:56 < afdudley> hmm. can you give a little more context? I haven't gotten that far in the design :D 13:56 < afdudley> The hand wavy idea is "copy the exact BTC interfaces lnd uses, but have ethereum ERC20s underneath" 13:57 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 13:57 < afdudley> it seems like colored coins will actually be more difficult than ERC20s, somewhat ironically. 14:00 <@roasbeef> what I mean is how do you update the commitment if you're using colored coins 14:00 <@roasbeef> which colored coin scheme are you using? 14:00 -!- mnkycycl [d5cdc213@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.205.194.19] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00 <@roasbeef> how dode that effect what an HTLC actually is? 14:00 <@roasbeef> how does that modify how the commitment looks like and how it's constructed ? 14:00 <@roasbeef> utxos ftw 14:01 < afdudley> yeah. with etheruem-based stuff I have some idea how to answer all of those things, that is to say, i'm fairly sure we can just replicate the BTC way of doing it. but with colored coins it's going to be more difficult. 14:04 <@roasbeef> what's the end goal here? 14:05 < afdudley> I would like a universal cross chain exchange layer. 14:05 < afdudley> "universal" 14:05 <@roasbeef> lot of details in the weeds to be actually addressed 14:08 < afdudley> The gasket between Ethereum and Lightning seems quite possible to me, decentralizing the gasket is also possible. But it's less clear to me that such a gasket can exist for omni, for example. 14:08 <@roasbeef> for example interledger has their stuff, but it just overaluy generalizes and they'll have significant challenges actually applying their design to the particualr chains, as the high level designs haven't been made with the lower level chain details in mind 14:08 <@roasbeef> i think the colored coin stuff is possible, but would need details on what the color construction is exactly 14:08 <@roasbeef> and if it isn't spv compatible, then that's an issue in itself also 14:08 <@roasbeef> (the coloring) 14:08 < afdudley> yes, that's exactly it. 14:09 <@roasbeef> as for eth, the main thing would be translating all the contract resolution logic to the chain domain 14:09 <@roasbeef> the message passing in lnd is pretty generic, but the dispatch is very chain specific 14:09 <@roasbeef> also do light cleints even *exist* for eth? 14:09 <@roasbeef> and the "geth says here's a trie with a blokchash -> height mapping that isn't actually committed at all so the devs can just give you a random chain" doesn't count 14:12 < afdudley> Just so I answer this question correctly, why do you need SPVs? 14:13 < afdudley> (I think i have something to use instead for ethereum, but I want to be sure.) 14:13 < afdudley> It's just so the LND service doesn't need to run on a machine running a bitcoin full node, right? 14:15 -!- Bezpol [25f8a0a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.248.160.167] has joined #lnd 14:18 < naribia> afdudley: are you talking about how to implement an ERC20 like protocol over lightning ? 14:19 < naribia> trying to follow the conversation 14:19 < afdudley> Sorry, i'm a bit of a spaz, how to get lnd to route HTLCs that contain commitments for ERC20s, yes. 14:19 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 < naribia> they would not be compatible with current erc20's on ethereum right now.. would they? 14:21 < afdudley> yes, they would be. 14:21 < afdudley> I mean, that's the goal. 14:22 < naribia> and supposedly you would also be able to create new ones over bitcoin too ? 14:22 < afdudley> Need a bunch of gaskets, first ERC20 -> UTXO, that's fairly easiy actually. 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I know of no known published works taht solve those issues 15:25 <@roasbeef> also, get resposnes from some random server doesn't count 15:26 < afdudley> I was just googling, it appears there was an omnicoin SPV wallet, but the repo was old as hellp 15:27 < afdudley> their would be a quorum on the data from the providers, so it's not perfect, but the messages can be independently verified. 15:27 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:28 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-seyiqoibylkcvrxu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44 < lightningbot1> > the messages can be independently verified only if you’re running a full node, right? 15:51 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:52 -!- aakselrod [aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54 < afdudley> @conner Yeah, basically. There are half measures that you can imagine, like 3of5 merkle roots, etc etc. 15:54 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:57 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl10-85-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-52-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:04 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-52-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #lnd 16:09 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lnd 16:14 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-52-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 16:15 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:15 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 16:17 <@roasbeef> day_fee_sum": "5", 16:17 <@roasbeef> faucet making monaaaay 16:24 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24 < mlz> roasbeef, i have a weird case: for one node i had this set: rpclisten=localhost:10015, now i want to change it to default 10009 but I can't, and i've checked that port is not being used, but if i reset it to 10009 LND won't start and give me an error, why is that? 16:25 <@roasbeef> 10009 is taken then? 16:25 <@roasbeef> you can see if that port is being listened on by some other program 16:29 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 16:32 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-15-237-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #lnd 16:40 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 16:43 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-153-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lnd 16:47 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 16:53 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-153-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-15-237-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:59 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@ip-15-237-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #lnd 17:04 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:27 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 17:29 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 17:39 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 17:39 -!- halil [~halil@unaffiliated/halil] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [AndBobsYou@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/andbobsyouruncle] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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fix incorrect documentation in ruby.md value to amt (#799) 19:22 <@roasbeef> new version of https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/719 pushed 19:22 <@roasbeef> uses aezeed now 19:23 <@roasbeef> sample runs: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/719#issuecomment-370110316 19:43 -!- bryanvu [~bryanvu@162-227-162-49.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 19:45 -!- ohohohoh [25bc848d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.188.132.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 20:01 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 20:03 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 20:04 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:21 < naribia> awesome 20:40 -!- kemyd__ [dawid@136.243.148.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40 -!- 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