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I'm running lnd with autopilot. It seems to me that autopilot is opening channels just to ensure that I am connected to the network so I can send payments. What I really wanted is to have a bunch of of channels and to route other people payments. How can I do that? 10:21 < BB-Martino> why not connect manually? 10:21 < BB-Martino> if you look at the map, it's easy to see which nodes make sense connecting to 10:37 < orium> it is just that i have to monitor the node. 10:37 < orium> but if that is the best approach, i will do it 10:37 < orium> do I need to configure something in lnd for it to route other payments through my channels? 10:55 < NoImNotNineVolt> i'm trying to solve that same problem myself :P 10:55 < BB-Martino> I didn't say that was the best approach, although I definitely prefer to choose who I connect to and have my own criteria. Uptime, connectivity, fees are some aspects to consider. AFAIK you don't need to configure anything to route other payments - there would hardly be any routes posible if the default was to not route. 10:56 < NoImNotNineVolt> you have to configure channels, no? :P 10:56 < BB-Martino> Also, if your uptime is good and you're connected to other well connected nodes, others will open channels to you also. At least it looks that way. 10:56 < NoImNotNineVolt> that's not happening for me on testnet 10:56 < BB-Martino> His question ended with "route other payments through my channels" 10:57 < NoImNotNineVolt> fair point. 10:57 < BB-Martino> I don't have any experience with testnet :( 10:58 < NoImNotNineVolt> i don't have the luxury of doing dev testing with real btc :P 10:58 < BB-Martino> I just know that since mainnet launched and i didn't have to clear my ~/.lnd with every update and my uptime is getting better, I'm seeing channels with a remote balance only. 10:59 < NoImNotNineVolt> was hoping getinfo would show uptime. 11:00 < BB-Martino> It is certainly ill advised to test on mainnet. And I did it anyway because I didn't want to have to restart and reconfigure everything once on mainnet. It only cost a few satoshis and channel opening fees so I wouldn't call it luxury. But yeah, don't do it :) 11:00 < NoImNotNineVolt> plus my mainnet btcd is still syncing :P 11:15 -!- afoutopatisa [5027c0bb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.39.192.187] has joined #lnd 11:20 -!- HighVoltage [~satoshi@91-156-58-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lnd 11:21 < HighVoltage> Anyone who has too much free time and wants to help me? I get some weird messages while running lnd and i'd like to know what they mean :/ 11:21 < HighVoltage> (already asked in Slack with no luck) 11:22 < afoutopatisa> hi all! pardon my noob question but what ports do I need to forward on my router for lnd? I am running bitcoind as a backend (waiting for my node to sync now) - my bitcoin.conf says 18501 port 11:24 < afoutopatisa> This is the guide im following https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md#running-lnd-using-the-bitcoind-or-litecoind-backend 11:39 < NoImNotNineVolt> HighVoltage: ask. 11:40 < HighVoltage> tried to open LN channel with my friend (LTC Mainnet). Now my friend sees channel in Pending Channels, I don't. I read that we need to wait until X amount of blocks have been mined, so the channel gets confirmed. How long that usually takes? It's been 2 days now. We both have our ltcd and lnd up and running. 11:42 < NoImNotNineVolt> HighVoltage: generally it takes under an hour. 11:45 -!- doo-dah [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47 < NoImNotNineVolt> did you mess with the fee? if you didn't set sufficient fee, it may never confirm... 11:50 < HighVoltage> Alright, hmm. 11:50 < HighVoltage> I did not though. 11:50 < HighVoltage> Is there a way to force close pending channel? 11:53 -!- nixbox [~kodi@c-69-181-66-7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 11:53 < nixbox> is there an LND explorer for Litecoin mainnet? 11:54 < orium> thanks @NoImNotNineVolt @BB-Martino I think I will add a bunch of channels manually 11:54 < HighVoltage> nixbox: yup, but the host hasn't connected to nodes yet. 12:09 -!- doodah [2f2ae8cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.42.232.204] has joined #lnd 12:12 < lndbot> s/explorer/visualizer btw :slightly_smiling_face: 12:13 < HighVoltage> oh... my bad. 12:13 < HighVoltage> heh. 12:14 < HighVoltage> Still, is there a way to close a pending channel? 12:15 < HighVoltage> Also not sure why lncli walletbalance shows my whole balance is in unconfirmed_balance. 12:17 < NoImNotNineVolt> HighVoltage: afaik, it's similar to a bitcoin tx with unsufficient fee. it's out there in mempool, so it might still get mined. 12:17 < NoImNotNineVolt> i know with a typical bitcoin tx, you could do a cpfp tx to effectively add more fee to the original tx. 12:17 < NoImNotNineVolt> that may be possible in this scenario too, but i have no idea. 12:38 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxhzncmtptciliwk] has joined #lnd 12:38 < HighVoltage> alright, thanks NoImNotNineVolt. 12:53 <@mlz> HighVoltage, is the other node offline? 12:57 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has joined #lnd 13:00 < scottcal> I was having some trouble with my lnd creating a the admin.macaroon file so I created a wallet on another machine and copied all of the data over in the .lnd directory. 13:01 < scottcal> now when I try to use lncli unlock I get the following message "[lncli] rpc error: code = Unavailable desc = transport is closing" 13:01 < scottcal> anyone know what that means? 13:02 < scottcal> I am on debian 9 using the lastest version on lnd with bitcoind 13:35 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has joined #lnd 13:44 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [] 13:46 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 14:01 <@mlz> scottcal, did you delete all macaroons and macaroons.db? 14:03 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A170.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] mably opened pull request #938: Invoice macaroon path fix (master...hotfix/invoice-macaroon-path) https://git.io/vxRt4 14:41 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46 -!- marigold [c2a6d88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.166.216.139] has joined #lnd 14:47 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxhzncmtptciliwk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:55 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 14:57 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 14:58 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 14:58 -!- marigold [c2a6d88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.166.216.139] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 15:01 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has joined #lnd 15:02 < scottcal> yea I tried that, but it didn't recreate the admin.macaroon file 15:04 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 * cluelessperson is back to try setting up a lightning node again 15:13 < cluelessperson> !topic 15:35 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 15:36 < cluelessperson> So how does lnd work exactly? 15:36 < cluelessperson> Does it depends on wallet functionality in btcd ? 15:37 < cluelessperson> What does btcd have that bitcoin core doesn't? 15:38 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 15:40 < lndbot> cluelessperson: have you read http://dev.lightning.community/overview/yet? 15:40 < lndbot> sorry, http://dev.lightning.community/overview/ 15:41 -!- Linrono [6c1f9344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.31.147.68] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44 < cluelessperson> lndbot: are you a person? 15:47 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 15:48 < cluelessperson> My concern is that I don't want to run a bunch of other software I'm familiar with 15:48 < cluelessperson> unfamiliar* 15:52 < cluelessperson> Do you expect me to run, bitcoin core, btcd, electrum, lightning with go lang, all in the same node? 15:52 < cluelessperson> its a bit nuts 15:54 -!- RusAlex_ [~Chel@89-212-19-164.static.t-2.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 15:55 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 15:56 <@mlz> cluelessperson, who would expect you to do that? 15:57 < cluelessperson> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/21 15:57 < cluelessperson> looks like lnd may have enabled bitcoind as a backend after all 15:57 <@mlz> no, you tell me 15:57 < cluelessperson> unsure 15:57 <@mlz> yes we have bitcoind since this past christmas 15:57 < cluelessperson> mlz: I use bitcoin, actively. I use other software. I'm not going to ditch what I know to be secure and working to test something that's in beta stage. 15:58 <@mlz> cluelessperson, with your attitude i'd suggest you to stick only with bitcoin and whatever you like, stay away from lnd 15:58 < cluelessperson> so, it being unclear that bitcoind is supported, is concerning. :P 15:58 <@mlz> bullshit 15:58 < cluelessperson> mlz: I'm sorry, do I come off as having attitude? 15:58 < lndbot> your nickname fits well lol 15:58 <@mlz> yes 15:59 <@mlz> cluelessperson, you've been having this attitude from the beginning, my mistake for trying to get you to test lnd, i gave up, so go away 16:00 < cluelessperson> mlz: I have this attitude because you have an entire public and consumer base waiting to use lightning. I can be patient, but the expectation is to fit lightning into the existing bitcoin ecosystem. 16:00 < cluelessperson> if it doesn't, then it's dishonest to say that it's easy, or ready for consuming 16:00 < cluelessperson> mlz: I don't understand why you're upset. 16:01 < cluelessperson> I want to help. 16:01 < cluelessperson> and I'm a perfect test case 16:01 <@mlz> lnd fits quite well in bitcoin system, you're unwilling to learn, you hate go, you hate btcd, whatever the hell you hate, it's your problem, just don't waste time here 16:03 < cluelessperson> mlz: Go as I know it is basically javascript server side. (which is insane), My having to run btcd instead or along side bitcoin core means double the blockchain storage (which is insane) 16:03 < cluelessperson> I don't understand why you're glossing over those. 16:03 < cluelessperson> on the other hand, if it's a matter of figuring out how to develop the protocols and network, go nuts. 16:03 < cluelessperson> I'm only listing a review from a consuming standpoint. 16:07 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:08 < cluelessperson> mlz: How am I supposed to come to terms with those issues? 16:10 < lndbot> 1. people who talk from the slack show up as lndbot talking 16:10 < cluelessperson> ah 16:10 < lndbot> 2. "Go as I know it is basically javascript server side." LOL okay, lmk if you have any specific questions not covered by a simple google search or reading already existing tutorials/documentation. 16:12 < cluelessperson> Ah, I'm thinking of Node.js 16:12 < cluelessperson> definitely incorrect 16:12 <@mlz> cluelessperson, no you don't have to come to terms with any issues, i'm asking you to drop this subject and stay away from LND, and LN in general, because you not only have issues with LND you have issues with c-lightning too, your rambling in that channel was insane and more nutty than any go-nuts 16:13 < cluelessperson> mlz: What are you talking about? The program should not dictate the environment. 16:14 <@mlz> cluelessperson, seriously, nobody is asking you to help test LN anymore, we have plenty of testers, LND is in beta in mainnet now, don't need your help because you've only wasted time here and you have no interest in helping 16:14 < cluelessperson> mlz: Why the fuck are you being a dick? I absolutely want to help. That's all I've ever wanted to do 16:15 < cluelessperson> you just seem to take it personally and go off for no apparent reason. 16:15 <@mlz> cluelessperson, YOU are being a dick here 16:15 < cluelessperson> HOW 16:15 < cluelessperson> "oh hey, this is hard to run, this causes issues" Oh that makes me a dick 16:15 <@mlz> cluelessperson, scroll up and read your text 16:15 < lndbot> mlz sometimes ignoring is the best decision :slightly_smiling_face: 16:16 < cluelessperson> mlz: I've been involved with bitcoin a LONG time. I rely on some software to use bitcoin. 16:17 < cluelessperson> When I last came in here, I attempted to setup some software, to run into ROADBLOCKS, that were legitimate. 16:17 < cluelessperson> I went to an alternative, ran into different roadblocks 16:17 < cluelessperson> That's fine, I can just wait, come back later. Development takes time. 16:18 < cluelessperson> So, now I've come back, attempt to follow the INSTRUCTIONS 16:18 < cluelessperson> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md 16:18 < cluelessperson> lnd currently requires the roasbeef fork of btcd 16:18 < cluelessperson> mlz: "lnd currently requires the roasbeef fork of btcd" 16:18 < cluelessperson> word for fucking word 16:18 < cluelessperson> btcd is not bitcoind 16:18 < cluelessperson> So yes, that's confusing 16:18 -!- cluelessperson was kicked from #lnd by mlz [cluelessperson] 16:19 < lndbot> is the specific question "How do I use LND with bitcoind"? 16:23 < lightningbot1> cluelessperson, plz install cmd+f and then search the install docs for bitcoind 16:23 < lightningbot1> it says we require the roasbeef fork… in the section called installing btcd 16:24 <@mlz> conner, he's gone 16:24 < lndbot> lol 16:24 < lightningbot1> phew 16:25 <@mlz> actually i kicked him and now he's spilling his shit in pm 16:26 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 16:29 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 16:37 < cluelessperson> I think I understand why you're upset with me. I'm sorry that I was being overly critical and loudmouthed. You guys obviously work very hard on this and I don't mean to be a bitch. 16:37 < cluelessperson> I really like what you're doing. 16:37 < cluelessperson> Are there things I can do to help? 16:42 < Veggen> cluelessperson: THere is. Test it, repoty bugs should you find them. Help creating an ecosystem. Integrate LN into payment software, whatever. 16:44 < Veggen> also, realize that it's still beta. Lots of road blocks to hit. Either you accept them, work around them, or help fix them :) 16:45 < lndbot> IMO the #1 thing you can do to help is to learn. Read all of the docs, the RFCs, learn how it works. 16:46 < scottcal> well said lndbot!!! 16:46 < Veggen> agreed. Also, it's *much* more gratifying to help people that are willing to do a bit research themselves :) 16:47 < scottcal> yea hey we all need help from time to time, but helping yourself is very gratifying too. 16:48 < Veggen> yah. And you learn *much* more from trying and failing yourself. 16:48 < scottcal> ha ha then I must be learning a lot today :D 16:48 < lndbot> fail in every way possible until the only thing left to do is to succeed :slightly_smiling_face: 16:49 < Veggen> yay. I still get a kick every time I see someone have used my node to route ;P 16:50 < scottcal> what OS are you running your node on? 16:50 < Veggen> Ubuntu (Linux) 16:50 < scottcal> you not using docker? 16:51 < Veggen> nope. 16:51 < scottcal> nice to meet someone who was successful not using docker. 16:51 < scottcal> I feel like everyone is using docker these days 16:52 < scottcal> I'm trying to work it out with debian 9 right now 16:52 < scottcal> not having much luck though. 16:53 < Veggen> Lots of this should be relevant: https://medium.com/@stadicus/perfect-low-cost-%EF%B8%8Flightning%EF%B8%8F-node-4c2f42a4ff7b 16:53 < scottcal> thanks I'll check it out 16:54 < scottcal> are you using btcd or bitcoind? 16:54 < Veggen> bitcoind. 16:56 < scottcal> coolio 17:16 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 17:32 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 <@mlz> scottcal, dockers seem too complicated for me 17:37 < cluelessperson> docker ;) 17:39 -!- psyopp [~rls@user-24-214-190-146.knology.net] has joined #lnd 17:42 < lndbot> I prefer it generally but don't do anything re: lightning in Docker yet 17:43 -!- rls [~rls@151.80.94.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:52 -!- rls [~rls@74.120.222.234] has joined #lnd 17:56 -!- psyopp [~rls@user-24-214-190-146.knology.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57 <@mlz> oh right, docker :P 19:09 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13 < cluelessperson> What ports does lnd use? I need to open my firewall and forward stuff 19:15 < cluelessperson> looks like 9735 found in a google search 19:18 -!- Linrono [6c1f9344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.31.147.68] has joined #lnd 19:20 <@mlz> yes 9735 19:21 < nixbox> even if docker has a learning curve, its well worth it because once you have a setup, its repeatable and you do not have to do a ton of work to make the thing work again 19:22 < rabidus> problem here is that lightning got too much attention before being mature 19:23 < rabidus> now too much time is going to waste for ppl like cluelessperson 19:24 < rabidus> maybe channel like #lnbeginners or something like that would help? 19:26 <@mlz> nah 19:26 <@mlz> we have LND slack with such a channel for beginners 19:26 <@mlz> clueless isn't a noob or beginner 19:27 <@mlz> he's just a picky person 19:28 < rabidus> i know cluelessperson,. only why? 19:28 < rabidus> it would be like "how does diesel engine work with sand?" 19:34 < cluelessperson> I'm doing 19:34 < cluelessperson> lnd --bitcoin.mainnet --lnddir=/etc/lnd --configfile=/etc/lnd/lnd.conf 19:34 < cluelessperson> uh, I'll pastebin this 19:37 < cluelessperson> https://hastebin.com/raw/necadamoqa 19:37 < cluelessperson> wallet creation is showing an error in the log 20:00 -!- Linrono [6c1f9344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.31.147.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09 -!- rls [~rls@74.120.222.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:09 < cluelessperson> Sorry to bother you folks, but I can't seem to load the wallet with lnd 20:09 < cluelessperson> https://hastebin.com/raw/omilipunak 20:10 < cluelessperson> At first I was getting 401, "", now it's "connection refused" 20:10 < cluelessperson> unable to start wallet: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:28332: connect: connection refused 20:10 < cluelessperson> unable to create chain control: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:28332: connect: connection refused 20:10 < cluelessperson> confirmed, the port is closed 20:11 < cluelessperson> bitcoind's conf https://hastebin.com/raw/agasoharup 20:23 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 20:36 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 20:37 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 22:26 < lndbot> cluelessperson, your bitcoind conf looks like it’s missing rpcuser and rpcpassword 22:26 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has joined #lnd 22:28 < cluelessperson> conner: rpcauth=lnd:REDACTEDHASH this line is the user:pass 22:29 * cluelessperson tries setting the specific field though 22:30 < cluelessperson> in fact, the rpcuser= rpcpass= is deprecated 22:30 < cluelessperson> conner: also, the zmq listening power isn't even open for bitcoind 22:31 < cluelessperson> telnet 127.0.0.1 28332 => telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused 22:34 < cluelessperson> power/port 22:35 < cluelessperson> 3f1ed8c6b8adba19b5b2212483a5c07200ba9aaea375cee7a1f7bdabfe930fed 22:35 < cluelessperson> ~ 1 in, 2 out | Size: 225 vB, 898 W | Fee: 0.00169500 BTC | Rate: 753.33 sat/vB, 188.75 sat/W | 4 confirms since 515054, 2018-03-25T00:15:26 22:36 < cluelessperson> conner ^ also, I have other applications that use the rpc. :P 22:36 < lightningbot1> is your bitcoind compiled with zmq? 22:37 < lightningbot1> should be okay if you have multiple connections over rpc 22:37 < lightningbot1> for bitcoind, the field is rpcpassword 22:38 < lightningbot1> in lnd’s conf, you set them with `bitcoind.rpcuser` and `bitcoind.rpcpass` (not password) 22:38 < lightningbot1> but yeah, double check that bitcoind is compiled with zmq 22:39 < lightningbot1> if you think you have it installed, you can rerun your ./configure script and it will print out if it would have been enabled in a prior build 22:43 < cluelessperson> conner, zmq yes. bitcoind now uses rpcauth=user:sha256(password), 22:43 < cluelessperson> What's weird is that the port was open before 22:45 < cluelessperson> ./configure => with zmq = yes 22:50 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p2E59FE2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 23:02 < lightningbot1> which version of bitcoind are you running, 0.16? 23:24 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 23:29 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qthllmupynntxgur] has joined #lnd 23:41 -!- scottcal [48c09ae8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.192.154.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]