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07:11 < Veggen> hmm. My Eclair/LND channel force-closed..
07:11 < Veggen> as others have reported?
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07:22 < molz> Veggen, which eclair node ?
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07:24 < molz> Veggen, i have a channel with node ACINQ (one of eclair devs' node), it's still there
07:25 < molz>         "pub_key": "03864ef025fde8fb587d989186ce6a4a186895ee44a926bfc370e2c366597a3f8f",
07:25 < molz>         "alias": "ACINQ",
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07:27 < Veggen> olz: my own :) eclair mobile)
07:28 < molz> ah, must be because of differences in fees?
07:32 < Veggen> "One or more HTLCs timed out".
07:32 < Veggen> is the last I heard from it, before a close TX was discivered onchain.
07:33 < Veggen> I did have some lingering payments in it, yes.
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08:11 < kcwgrunt> hey folks..
08:14 < kcwgrunt> I'm stuck in the make of the dep package...
08:14 < kcwgrunt> src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd$ make
08:14 < kcwgrunt>  Compiling dependencies. dep ensure -v make: dep: Command not found Makefile:108: recipe for target 'dep' failed make: *** [dep] Error 127
08:15 < kcwgrunt> any ideas?
08:16 < Veggen> reread the install guide. Either you didn't go get the dep package, or your path doesn't include the place it was installed :)
08:17 < kcwgrunt> I did 'go get -u github.com/golang/dep/cmd/dep"
08:17 < Veggen> did you set the environment variables?
08:17 < Veggen> export GOPATH=~/gocode export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin
08:18 < kcwgrunt> yes...my go installation is working
08:18 < Veggen> echo $PATH
08:18 < kcwgrunt> I re-ran 'go get -u github.com/golang/dep/cmd/dep' and got not repsonse (no news is good news)
08:18 < Veggen> can you do that?
08:20 < kcwgrunt> Test
08:20 < Veggen> hmm...the issue is somewhere in this area. But afraid I have ran out of time, running late for something.
08:20 < kcwgrunt> "/usr/local/go/bin:/home/admin/bin:/home/admin/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:"
08:20 < kcwgrunt> ...     
08:21 < kcwgrunt> ok tx
08:21 < Veggen> doesin't include the place go things get installed.
08:21 < Veggen> but gotta run.
08:21 < kcwgrunt> kk     
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08:25 < kcwgrunt> Ha! you got me thanks Veggen!
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08:46 < kcwgrunt> hey guys next question...i ran make check and 'github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/zpay32' target unit failed.
08:46 < kcwgrunt> "Makefile:150: recipe for target 'unit' failed"
08:47 < kcwgrunt> so this package is failing, i pulled in the latest with go get .../zpay32
08:47 < kcwgrunt> but i got the same issue
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08:52 < lndbot> <tyzbit> did you run dep ensure?
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12:56 < black-sheep> what happen? more than half of my channels are closed, last night I had 75, now they are 30...
12:56 < black-sheep> something happen to network?
12:56 < black-sheep> wtf     
12:57 <@roasbeef> black-sheep: nope
12:58 <@roasbeef> peers can close chans at any time even 
12:58 <@roasbeef> if you were connected to like clightning nodes 
12:58 < black-sheep> ok, but why all today
12:58 <@roasbeef> then they can close channels aggressively
12:58 < molz> black-sheep, why do you have so many channels? are you a merchant? 
12:58 <@roasbeef> based on fee disagreements 
12:58 <@roasbeef> no idea 
12:59 < black-sheep> all my chan have             "base_fee_msat": "1000",             "fee_per_mil": "1",             "fee_rate": 0.000001
13:00 < molz> onchain tx fee rates 
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13:00 < molz> roasbeef, c-lightning and most of lnd nodes run the same bitcoind, why do we have differences in fees?
13:00 <@roasbeef> they want like 5x regular fees
13:00 <@roasbeef> black-sheep: commitment fees
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13:01 <@roasbeef> and they don't like low-ish fees, even tho fees are super low on mainnet
13:01 <@roasbeef> the thing is, when they force close, it doesn't hurt lnd
13:01 <@roasbeef> we get the money back w/ no timelock 
13:01 <@roasbeef> while they'll have to wait out the timelock 
13:01 <@roasbeef> it's not the best thing one can do in the face of a fee disagreement
13:03 < molz> well they're probably anticipating the next fee spike which can happen anytime soon? 
13:04 < molz> im wondering they also disconnect those tiny dust channels which run c-lightning too 
13:04 < molz> they should
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13:08 < black-sheep> I have seen that every channel has its "commit" fee, so the autopilot sets too low fees? But it's very strange, for 2 week I had 60 to 75 channels open ... I watch tonight and its 30 ... I have to look at the logs
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13:11 < molz> black-sheep, the commit fees go up and down
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13:13 <@roasbeef> black-sheep: the remote peer closed the channels
13:14 <@roasbeef> it's their loss
13:14 <@roasbeef> it's a bug in the implementation imo (not ours)
13:15 < black-sheep> ok.. forse è stato un aggiornamento di c-lightning che ha messo un limite alle fee?
13:15 < black-sheep> sry     
13:15 < black-sheep> maybe it was a c-lightning update that put a limit on the fees?
13:16 < Veggen> black-sheep: No. Plain disagreement.
13:17 < Veggen> the fees are recalculated according to what the condition of the blockcchain is, and sometimes, LND/bitcoind calculates a fee that is lower than what c-lightning thinks is safe.
13:20 < molz> probably c-lightning had an update in fees too? 
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13:21 < black-sheep> ok... no problem. How i can see if a node has lnd or clightning? I try listpeer and listchannels but there are no info about
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13:21 < molz> black-sheep, 'commit_fee' is the fee reserved for closing, so suppose clightning thinks the closing fee should be 30 sat/byte now but your node says "uh no, 5 sat/byte", then they close your channel
13:23 < molz> black-sheep, afaik we can't really tell which impl some nodes run but from my observation most of those nodes with many channels and tiny capacity meaning they don't have much money, they are c-lightning nodes
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13:23 < black-sheep> i understand... what if fee really rise to 30, or 60? lnd can not close channels?
13:24 < molz> yes you still can 
13:24 < molz> if you still have enough fund
13:24 < molz> this is why lnd now sets a minchansize for at least 20k sat
13:25 < molz> if you lower your minchansize and you let spammers open dust channels to your node then you can't close them 
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13:25 < molz> we set our minchansize and not worry about commit fees
13:26 < molz> 'commit_fee' is just a temporary reserve fund, the real fee doesn't happen until you close out your channel
13:27 < black-sheep> ok     
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13:39 < molz> lol.. holycow.. one of my channels current has:  "commit_fee": "68263",
13:40 < molz> but commit_fee can say whatever it wants.. by the time you close your channel, look at the mempool in your bitcoind, check jochen's site, get 'estimatesmartfee' and if it's still empty, close it with '--sat_per_byte=1'  :D
13:42 < lndbot> <justin> that's only if it's online
13:42 < molz> right
13:43 < molz> justin hm but i did it with just 1 sat force closing a channel two days ago
13:43 < molz> i had to wait a day to get my coin back but it's back
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13:45 < molz> justin, https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/5d44a74d2b7c38c81dbd29412e326341f206693c77450faad619c90c0e8dbbd3
13:46 < molz> justin oh wait you're right
13:46 < molz> actually it was this tx: https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/f160d67800c92402e840dd31dbb51f3aff133f6ecaf221d47f5d37c7626cc9d9
13:47 < molz> but then to get my coin back i paid only 1.02 sat/B
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13:50 < lndbot> <justin> some of these commit fees make me cry I guess 9k satoshis isn't so bad, how do they look like for those with small channels under 10k? I haven't had any under 200k since I upped it :explody_parrot:
13:56 < black-sheep> i found the event in the log... all happen from 12:07:12 to 12:07:15 GMT.
13:56 < black-sheep> 3 second 45 channel closed XD
13:58 < molz> black-sheep, lol you're not the only one, my channel with blockstream got closed, same with veggen's channel
14:02 < black-sheep> oh... i se i gain 12 satoshis from fwding... wow... was 0 yesterday XD
14:02 < molz> lol     
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14:06 < black-sheep> what this mean on openchannels? rpc error: code = Code(189) desc = You gave bad parameters:Our channel reserve 546 would be below their dust 573
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15:44 <@roasbeef> yeh i had some clightning chans closed the other day as well 
15:44 <@roasbeef> they're trigger happy lol 
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15:44 <@roasbeef> black-sheep_: other party thinks your chans are too small
15:44 <@roasbeef> justin: well 3 do 3 block targets, clightning does liek 5x the 1 blcok target 
15:44 <@roasbeef> as in depends who funds the channel 
15:45 < lndbot> <conner> curiously, why do they use 573 and not 546?
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15:45 < BB-Martino> o/     
15:46 < BB-Martino> can someone create me a <=10 sat mainnet invoice please? with a long expiry (couple of hours). thanks in advance.
15:47 <@roasbeef> BB-Martino: can't make yourself? 
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15:49 < BB-Martino> i need one that isn't generated by me (no path to myself) and isn't generated by yalls (apparently no path to there either, waiting for channel to confirm). blockstream has a whole checkout, form filling thing, figured it could be quicker here or on TG
15:55 < lndbot> <justin> Will do one sec
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16:02 < rompert> BB-Martino: if you need another one. 7 sat 86400 seconds: lnbc70n1pddld6epp524r9fhtkcxlzznt3dg9aaheqrrmfjvghrnsat9v0rtv48lg48ajsdqqcqzysxqyz5vqq0tsv8pusuyr5g6aq0u3vgl80cgv6dxkv87yv4ttqt9ek68n8cuqct8xvxtmsaxykla6c7c80zzunqctct0g338kreqtx7shzyjsf7gpz77l8j
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16:03 < BB-Martino> cool, thanks!
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16:08 < molz> here's mine for 5 sat, and i don't have a channel with yalls or with bitbargains:   lnbc50n1pddlw93pp5y4kmeh8nzvffz9zwnp9q2d9de95rdw4hgsaqy49c7aq9y2en3wasdq4vehhygzzggk56ctjw35kucqzysjvswkk00muk7df74ehavgvu8ugsr26e833au92chzgasw3dn6qpp0veepctzd8utnexrvtc3lls026n9cfclyscdpmd2tfmxx4vdk0gpcv7ghf
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16:10 < ctrlbreak> Are there any generic lightning channels I should join?  I occasionally ask some questions, but I never seem to get a response to anything, so perhaps I'm just not asking in the right places.
16:11 < BB-Martino> thanks for that, too
16:12 < lndbot> <justin> lnbc50n1pddlw03pp585wnj7jzrmppfrrtu6ct0669ss884ec6u3qa7xw2xp0v5ck08znqdqudp5jqenjdakjqcnfw3ex2enfd3kqcqzysyr403r0smzpvk8s7hm7f03wy3k4pc8gfr64sqc3fldgwjl3k427ztcvm6xtqhx75pd7v5g26yc3rxxjyvt3ehl7mukyf6ts8ym6gv9gpeda9vt
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16:16 < BB-Martino> cheers @ bitrefill, also paid. done with testing, yalls confirmed also. thx again.
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16:36 < ctrlbreak> Guess not, eh.
16:37 <@roasbeef> ctrlbreak: it's irc...just ask the question, don't ask if you can ask 
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16:37 < ctrlbreak> I do.  I never get a response.
16:37 < ctrlbreak> So I was simply fishing for alternate channels with perhaps more chatter.
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16:52 <@roasbeef> can't find an instance in our scrollback 
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16:54 < molz> ctrlbreak, we have plenty of chatting on the lnd slack, not sure why you're asking?
16:55 < molz> lightning chat is spread out on many forums 
16:55 < molz> but lnd slack is the best i think 
16:55 < molz> and this channel
16:57 < ctrlbreak> Is there a way/guide for tuning my clightning node to 'relax' it any?
16:57 < ctrlbreak>  "CHANNELD_NORMAL:update_fee 2500 outside range 2529-125935",
16:57 < ctrlbreak>             "ONCHAIN:Tracking our own unilateral close",
16:57 < ctrlbreak>             "ONCHAIN:1 outputs unresolved: in 43 blocks will spend DELAYED_OUTPUT_TO_US (d2da08aa422b65805284266b729d0a3245fc938ed22b0789a75bff37d9886681:0) using OUR_DELAYED_RETURN_TO_WALLET"
16:58 < molz> dev-fees
16:59 <@roasbeef> fwiw, this is the an lnd channel... 
17:00 < ctrlbreak> I want to help and run a node (or more than 1)... and while I'm a bit more technically capable than the average user, I'm definitely no dev... and don't currently have time to read all the whitepapers and BOLTs directly with my fulltime job and other life commitments.  I've ......
17:00 < ctrlbreak> Yes, I know it's the LND channel.
17:00 < ctrlbreak> Nevermind then.
17:01 < lndbot> <justin> 'Is there a way/guide for tuning my clightning node to 'relax' it any?' Yeah you switch to lnd :)
17:01 < ctrlbreak> ffs... I'm spinning up those too.  I just happen to have my funds on a clightning node at the moment.
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17:08 <@roasbeef> but i think molz had the correct answer (there're certain dev fee settings) 
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17:09 < molz> yea if he sets it like this it might solve it:  dev-fees 2529 2529 2529
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17:09 < molz> slow medium fast
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23:08 < rkey> Hey Lightning Community! I'd like to say that LN worked great for me running the Node on my Raspberry Pi. Now I want to move me Node to a more powerful VPS. Despite copying wallet.dat (from .bitcoin) and copying whole .lnd directory (and deleting /data/macaroon.db) i am still unable to unlock the LN Wallet with lncli unlock. Can someone help?
23:10 < Veggen> did you also delete *.macaroon ?
23:11 < rkey> I thought @roastbeef said only the database (Source: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/900)
23:12 < Veggen> oh, hmm. well, *.macaroon doesn't harm, at least.
23:12 < rkey> I will try to delete all macaroon files (readonly.macaroon, admin.macaroon - still hacing a backup)
23:12 < rkey> kk     
23:12 < Veggen> what's the problem, btw?
23:14 < rkey> cannot access my node (previos on my raspberry pi - now on my VPS)
23:14 < rkey> and i dont want to create a new node as already 30+ channels connected
23:15 < Veggen> understandable. but what error do you get?
23:15 < rkey> but LNDCLI keeps asking me for my password (so i guess it is not accepting it)
23:15 < rkey> [lncli] Wallet is encrypted. Please unlock using 'lncli unlock', or set password using 'lncli create' if this is the first time starting lnd.
23:15 < Veggen> and you have ruled out file ownerships etc being the problem?
23:16 <@roasbeef> rkey: the wallet.dat doesn't contain our keys
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23:16 <@roasbeef> rkey: you should see an error it its not accepting the password
23:17 < rkey> no it just repeats [lncli] Wallet is encrypted......
23:17 <@roasbeef> do you have the latest version of `lncli` installed?
23:17 < rkey> i can type in whatever password I like, same displa<
23:17 < rkey> btc@vmd27150:~/bitcoin-data$ lncli -v lncli version 0.4.1 commit=
23:17 < rkey> yes from github
23:19 <@roasbeef> this is what the error is:
23:20 <@roasbeef> Input wallet password:
23:20 <@roasbeef> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = invalid passphrase for master public key
23:20 <@roasbeef> when you get the password wrong
23:20 < rkey> strange. here is anothr: lncli walletbalance [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = cannot retrieve macaroon: cannot get macaroon: root key with id 0 doesn't exist
23:21 <@roasbeef> well if you can't unlock then you shuldn't even be able to issue any other commands 
23:21 < rkey> kk     
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23:21 <@roasbeef> that would point to you not properly carrying over your macaroon state maybe? or modifying it
23:21 < rkey> but i dont get the wrong password notification
23:22 <@roasbeef> and lnd does or doesn't start/
23:22 <@roasbeef> ?     
23:22 < rkey> it runs in backgriund and is fully synced
23:22 < rkey> I am in love watching it prompts :)
23:23 < molz> wat     
23:23 <@roasbeef> dat scrolling text
23:23 <@roasbeef> i'm confused rkey 
23:23 <@roasbeef> so lnd did or didn't start? 
23:23 < rkey> start
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23:25 < molz> lol 
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23:27 < rkey> Ok, sorry for the inconvenience. I will setup a new node. But just wanted to prevent this scenario, as I dont like to disconnect existing channels.
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23:29 <@roasbeef> rkey: oh so it worked? 
23:29 <@roasbeef> rkey: were you able to unlock lnd in the end?
23:29 < molz> i'm as much confused 
23:30 < rkey> nope not worked. I will make lncli create
23:30 < molz> rkey, if your lnd started like you said, then it was unlocked, yes?
23:30 < rkey> and delete the old directory
23:30 < rkey> lnd starts
23:31 < molz> rkey, so, what's the problem?
23:31 < rkey> is running to be precise, it syncs with network and makes channel updates, but i cannot access lndcli unlock (not accepting any password)
23:32 < molz> rkey, dude..., if your lnd starts, it's already unlocked
23:32 < rkey> okay, thats new for me
23:32 < molz> i hope you're on testnet
23:32 < rkey> why is than: lncli walletbalance [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = cannot retrieve macaroon: cannot get macaroon: root key with id 0 doesn't exist
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23:34 < rkey> mainnet
23:37 < molz> roasbeef, ^^ what happened then?
23:37 <@roasbeef> it cannot start if you haven't unlocked it
23:39 < molz> if he unlocked with the same password, can the "walletbalance" throw this message? 
23:39 < rkey> lnd is running, serving peers - without unlocking the lncli unlock command (!)
23:39 <@roasbeef> so you run with --noencryptwallet then?
23:40 < rkey> nope
23:40 < rkey> no additional commands
23:40 < rkey> everything is default
23:40 <@roasbeef> that's not possible is what were trying to say
23:40 <@roasbeef> or shoulnd't be at least 
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23:40 < rkey> thats why I want to raise your attention on this
23:41 <@roasbeef> what do you starup logs look like? 
23:41 < rkey> 2018-04-25 08:38:02.866 [DBG] SRVR: Peer 185.37.216.223:9735 has been disconnected 2018-04-25 08:38:02.866 [INF] LTND: Shutdown complete
23:41 <@roasbeef> start up*
23:41 <@roasbeef> you'll even see that it's waiting for a wallet password
23:41 < rkey> btc@vmd27150:~/go/bin$ lnd Attempting automatic RPC configuration to bitcoind Automatically obtained bitcoind's RPC credentials 2018-04-25 08:41:19.234 [INF] LTND: Version 0.4.1-beta commit= 2018-04-25 08:41:19.234 [INF] LTND: Active chain: Bitcoin (network=mainnet) 2018-04-25 08:41:19.237 [INF] CHDB: Checking for schema update: latest_version=0, db_version=0 2018-04-25 08:41:19.335 [INF] LTND: Primary chain is set to: bitcoin 2018-04-25
23:41 < rkey> I will use pastebin hold on
23:41 <@roasbeef> 2018-04-24 23:19:43.225 [INF] RPCS: password RPC server listening on 127.0.0.1:10017
23:41 <@roasbeef> 2018-04-24 23:19:43.230 [INF] RPCS: password gRPC proxy started at 127.0.0.1:8089
23:41 <@roasbeef> is what you shuold see
23:41 <@roasbeef> 2018-04-24 23:19:43.230 [INF] LTND: Waiting for wallet encryption password. Use `lncli create` to create wallet, or `lncli unlock` to unlock already created wallet.
23:45 < rkey> 2018-04-25 08:43:24.104 [INF] LNWL: The wallet has been unlocked without a time limit 2018-04-25 08:43:24.104 [INF] LTND: LightningWallet opened
23:45 <@roasbeef> if you don't see what i pasted
23:46 <@roasbeef> then you started and created the wallet in the debug "no password" mode
23:48 < rkey> im afraid, no I did not
23:49 <@roasbeef> check your arguments on the command line, and also the config file
23:53 < molz> rkey, how did you start your LND when it was on the rpi ? 
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