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07:29 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:37 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:04 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07 < PatBoy> Hi, is it normal when i made queryroutes it return me something.. but if i want to pay an invoice a receive that : 08:07 < PatBoy> https://pastebin.com/9f9KJwdh 08:12 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lnd 08:18 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has joined #lnd 08:20 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 08:22 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 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you have a direct channel? 10:00 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-52-28-63-126.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:01 < PatBoy> no direct channel 10:01 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-52-28-63-126.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lnd 10:02 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:03 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 10:05 < lndbot> for big stuff, best to open direct channels especially in this early stage of the network 10:06 < PatBoy> not a big payment... itry 1000 satoshi.. 50 and 10 10:07 -!- shtirlic_ [~shtirlic@Shtirlic-3-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:12 -!- shtirlic_ [~shtirlic@167.99.19.62] has joined #lnd 10:14 -!- shtirlic_ [~shtirlic@167.99.19.62] has quit [Client Quit] 10:17 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.199] 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When did you last update? 10:53 < PatBoy> lnd-windows-amd64-v0.4.1-beta 10:54 < PatBoy> so.. 24days ago ^^ 10:55 < Veggen> old :) 10:57 < Veggen> there was a bug fix 3 days ago, that might help you. 10:57 < Veggen> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1121 10:57 < Veggen> but I'm not sure if you're comfortable with compiling yourself? 11:03 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07 < PatBoy> oo yeah i will probably be able :) 11:07 < PatBoy> does i need to compile it on nux ? 11:07 < PatBoy> i will give a try tonight :) thx ! 11:09 -!- conundrum [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:10 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 11:12 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.81] has joined #lnd 11:12 -!- conundrum_ [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 11:15 < Veggen> PatBoy, I run on Linux, but obviously since you are running it on Windows it's possible there too :) 11:19 < PatBoy> okk good :) 11:22 < molz> PatBoy, you can compile on windows if you know how to use the commandline 11:23 < molz> i didn't run LND on windows for several months, but last night i updated the lnd and btcd.. wasn't sure if "make" could make it on windows... had to resync my btcd and now i've just started the lnd (on testnet) 11:25 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@2620:0:2820:503:5ee0:c5ff:fe8c:502d] has joined #lnd 11:26 < PatBoy> yeah .. i know how to compile.. but never try to compile a Go project :P 11:29 < molz> cool.. my lnd on windows caught up with the chain, now gossipping 11:30 < molz> PatBoy, you can follow the guide for linux on lnd site, with a difference, linux says "cd $GOPATH..." but for windows: "cd %GOPATH%.." , that's it 11:30 < PatBoy> okk thx 11:32 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 11:41 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@178.197.231.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@2620:0:2820:503:5ee0:c5ff:fe8c:502d] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 11:55 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a03:1d00:15b:4f4f:dd87:198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 12:08 -!- drexl [~drexl@62.112.9.166] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- drexl [~drexl@62.112.9.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12 -!- drexl_ [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 12:12 -!- drexl_ is now known as drexl 12:17 -!- camulos1 [~user@36.88.43.169] has joined #lnd 12:18 -!- camulos [~user@36.69.76.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:28 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 12:35 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lnd 12:58 -!- Walter__ [d995ae4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.149.174.76] has joined #lnd 12:59 < Walter__> hello guys, can someone explain to me why a channel of mine sometimes shows different local_balance, without changing the remote_balance and also without me sending any transaction? 12:59 < Veggen> because there is fee negotiations. 13:00 < Veggen> There is a set reserve used should one node need to force-closed. 13:00 < Veggen> it is negotiated/changed as fee estimates on-chain changes. 13:00 < Walter__> i see, and I assume that amount can go up to 6 digit sats if you have more channels open? 13:01 < Walter__> Because my channelbalance sometimes hops from 800k sat to 699k and now its back up to 7xxk 13:01 < Walter__> *without channelclosings or openings, of course I check pendingchannels everytime I see a different balance, but it doesnt show anything 13:05 < lndbot> yeah, someone just did a huge spam and that's probably why it swung wildly 13:05 < lndbot> https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1,2d 13:07 < Walter__> Ok I understand now, thanks guys! 13:08 -!- Walter__ [d995ae4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.149.174.76] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@2620:0:2820:1502:5ee0:c5ff:fe8c:502d] has joined #lnd 13:13 <@roasbeef> PatBoy: no, you should always write down your seed 13:13 < PatBoy> kk thx 13:13 <@roasbeef> i'd re-roll everything if that's the case 13:14 < PatBoy> okk thx 13:15 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19 -!- camulos1 [~user@36.88.43.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:21 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 13:22 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 13:28 -!- camulos [~user@110.137.158.6] has joined #lnd 13:56 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lnd 14:01 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@2620:0:2820:1502:5ee0:c5ff:fe8c:502d] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:02 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: reboot .. brb] 14:12 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 14:24 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] guggero opened pull request #1137: macaroons: add unit tests and documentation (master...macaroon-tests) https://git.io/vplO0 14:28 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 14:33 -!- ken2812221 [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34 -!- ken2812221 [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #lnd 15:01 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:13 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a03:8600:1001:1022::100e] has joined #lnd 15:20 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 15:34 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: https://quanto.ga/] 15:34 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 15:55 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 15:58 -!- lightningbot6 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 -!- lightningbot7 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 16:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 16:13 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 16:13 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 16:16 < Styil> yo 16:19 < Styil> andreas's book has this written for the output of the redemption transaction written as http://drive.yangu.pw/public/U0ZCphQDYV1X_chrome_2018-04-26_16-19-15.png 16:20 < Styil> oh nevermind 16:21 < Styil> or actually 16:21 < Styil> using the revocation public key also requires the signature of the counterparty of the transaction publisher, correct? 16:24 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:27 < Styil> as in, there is also a segwit p2wpkh mixed in there with the revocation key, no? 16:44 < molz> "Bitcoin Lightning Network Hackday #1 " this coming Saturday in Berlin: https://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-Lab-Berlin/events/249392922/ 16:45 < molz> will have Beers and Burgers in room77 16:46 -!- camulos [~user@110.137.158.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: https://quanto.ga/] 16:52 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 16:53 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a03:8600:1001:1022::100e] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:01 < Styil> seems the LN's Bolt 3 document shows the same thing 17:01 < Styil> http://drive.yangu.pw/public/gWPkEfvXxGoU_chrome_2018-04-26_17-00-50.png 17:02 < Styil> confused, I assume there must be a public key of the counterparty there as otherwise anyone with the revocation key could unlock the hashlock and that would of course be unsecure, as it has to be published in the transaction, no? 17:02 < lndbot> I think it is a normal pubkey Styil. If the channel isn't forced closed this doesn't come into play as coop close just makes a normal split of the funds. 17:03 < lndbot> the revocation key is derived from a node on the merkle tree for the channel from each party (2 revocation keys per side of the channel) 17:03 < lndbot> it's only given to the other side as proof of revocation of the previous state of the channel 17:03 < lndbot> the counterparty only knows the revocationpubkey for *outdated* commitment states 17:04 < lndbot> or rather, the revocation secret key 17:04 < lndbot> that’s what makes it safe to broadcast only the most recent state 17:04 < lndbot> and conversely, unsafe to broadcast a previous state 17:04 < lndbot> bingo 17:04 < lndbot> because your counterparty (and any watchers they might've given the revocation key to) has the secret key material for the funds 17:05 < lndbot> what they *don't* ever have is the current key material. that's kept private until we want to try to update a channel's state. 17:05 < lndbot> watchers only get signatures under the secret key, not the key itself. but same effect, they can broadcast a txn spending that clause 17:06 < lndbot> tbh, I still don't quite understand how that part works, especially in a privacy conscious way 17:07 < lndbot> I guess take Alice -> Bob, channel state 1, they update to state 2, Alice then goes to a watchtower with a signed tx from state 1 sending her all of the funds from Bob and says "broadcast this if you see this tx"? 17:08 < lndbot> correct, and the uploaded information for a state is encrypted such that it can only be decrypted if the specific transaction it spends is broadcast 17:09 < lndbot> so it all just looks like random, encrypted blobs until duty calls, then that single blob is decrypted 17:09 < lndbot> by only giving the watchtower part of the txid right? 17:10 < lndbot> current thinking is use txid[:16] as a “hint” that maps to a blob encrypted under txid[16:] 17:11 < lndbot> clever 17:11 < lndbot> I wonder about unpublishing previous states with watchtowers 17:12 < lndbot> Maybe watchtowers could try to act maliciously 17:13 < lndbot> the only thing they can do is not broadcast/lose data 17:13 < lndbot> redundancy is your friend here 17:19 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 17:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 17:26 < PatBoy> molz 17:26 < PatBoy> https://pastebin.com/c0puGG9e 17:26 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 17:28 < molz> PatBoy, do 'make' and 'make install' 17:28 < PatBoy> i cannot make 'make' on windows :P 17:28 < molz> which windows do you have? im on win10 and i could do it 17:29 < PatBoy> 7 17:29 < PatBoy> you can compile the master ? 17:29 < molz> yes 17:29 < PatBoy> the errory give me is a compilation one 17:30 < molz> what do you mean? 17:31 < PatBoy> the method want more parameter then it definiton method 17:34 < molz> maybe win7 can't do 'make', i'm not sure but win10 is much different because i can install linux subsystem on win10 so i guess MS made it possible to run 'make' 17:34 < PatBoy> yeah that's true 17:37 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: https://quanto.ga/] 17:39 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 17:44 < Styil> tyzbit: I am well aware, but I believe this is the forced closure of the channel 17:44 < Styil> so I am confused 17:45 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45 < Styil> Its under "commitment trasnsaction" 17:45 < Styil> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#offered-htlc-outputs 17:46 < lndbot> the funds go to that address for some time to give the other party time to sweep them if there's been foul play. If not, they're unlocked after some time for the owner to sweep them from that address into their wallet 17:46 -!- camonz [~camonz@197.red-83-32-35.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lnd 17:46 < Styil> well aware 17:47 < Styil> but the "revocation key" is the solution to the hashlock, no? 17:48 < lndbot> the revocation key is the key that is shared that controlled a side's funds in a previous state 17:48 < Styil> without a signature involved, when this transaction is published, but not yet blockchained, this will allow a random 3rd party watcher to hijack funds 17:48 < Styil> simply by building a new transaction with the same revocation key 17:48 < lndbot> in that TX, that part is a normal pubkey check 17:48 < lndbot> the revocation key isn't published anywhere except between the two parties who have a channel 17:48 < lndbot> and it's used to contruct a transaction that spends from that address 17:49 < Styil> and the revocation key works via hashlock, correct? 17:49 < lndbot> I don't know what a hashlock is. 17:49 < lndbot> the revocation key is sensitive key material that controls one's funds in a channel 17:50 < Styil> well, how does the revocation key work then? 17:50 < lndbot> Styil, the revocation key is derived according to: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03-transactions.md#revocationpubkey-derivation 17:50 < Styil> ah 17:50 < Styil> so it isnt a hashlock 17:50 < lndbot> the previous key material is shared as part of a channel update. in order to update a channel state (pay funds), you work with the other party to sign a new transaction with different balances and you make the previous states invalid by sharing the previous state's sensitive key material 17:51 < lndbot> essentially it's like hopping funds from one address to the next, and giving the other side the private key to the previous address 17:51 < Styil> aye, I understand that, I just thought it worked via hashlock 17:51 < Styil> seems I was completely misled 17:52 < lndbot> yep yep, an individual htlc can be redeemed via hashlock, see offered/received output scripts. but all outputs on the transaction can be revoked via the revocation pubkey if it’s an old state 17:54 < Styil> well, my impression was that the "punishment" for your counterparty spending a previous transaction required a signature from you along with a "hashlock key" created by the counterparty, which was given to you as a result of updating the channel state 17:54 < lndbot> don't take my lack of knowledge to be authoritative lack of existence lol. I'm just helping out where I can :slightly_smiling_face: 17:54 < lndbot> hashlock key is not needed when revoking, it executes a different clause in the script 17:56 < molz> conner, when skyrus published his old state, how did the revocation key play out in his scenario? 17:58 < molz> from my understanding, 'revocation' is executed by the software, in this case, it's lnd code, so victim users don't have to do this most of the time? 18:02 < s7r> how far is watchover from being practical? 18:03 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 18:04 < Styil> ah 18:05 < Styil> I dont particularly understand ECDSA, but it seems that this is done for backup purposes 18:05 < Styil> as with my method, you would need to backup after every transaction, while with the use of this one can just derive the necessary information. 18:06 < lndbot> @molz, at one point in time, the state skyrus broadcasted was the latest valid state. in order to transition to the subsequent state, he had to give up info to allow the other person to derive the revocation priv key for the state that ended up being broadcast 18:07 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@31.6.21.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:07 < lndbot> one property of the shachain derivation is that if you have the latest one, you can derive all previous ones 18:08 < lndbot> so when the channel partner realized he had broadcast a previous state, they were able to go back and rederive the particular key that they had learned in the past 18:08 < lndbot> and swept the channel 18:08 < Styil> was there an exploit? 18:08 < lndbot> no? 18:08 < Styil> what is skyrus then? 18:09 < lndbot> skyrus is a user in the lnd slack who accidentally breached some channels he was in 18:09 < lndbot> basically he reverted to an old db state, and then force closed the channels 18:10 < Styil> and how did counterparty protection fail? 18:10 <@roasbeef> nothing failed 18:10 <@roasbeef> there was user error 18:10 < lndbot> it didn’t 18:10 < lndbot> everything happened as expected 18:10 < Styil> "breached" 18:10 < lndbot> except for sky reverting to a prior state 18:16 < lndbot> by reverting, skyrus technically violated the contract. the counterparty protection (for the other party) succeeded in revoking the old commitment state 18:16 < Styil> ah 18:16 < Styil> so it was the first real case of counterparty punishment/ 18:16 < Styil> ? 18:17 < lndbot> yes, and it wasn't because of nefarious reasons, just operator error 18:17 < lndbot> but the other parties treat both the same: punishment 18:17 < Styil> how much did he lose lol 18:17 < lndbot> as far as we know, an event now referred to as “pulling a skyrus” :P 18:18 < lndbot> not a lot, and most of people gave him his money back 18:18 < Styil> it was more than one channel state? 18:20 < PatBoy> molz .. fuck it i build it on linux lol 18:20 < PatBoy> it dont seem to compile on windows.. dont know why 18:20 < molz> PatBoy, yea, linux makes it so easy 18:21 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 18:21 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p549DD6DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 18:25 -!- camonz [~camonz@197.red-83-32-35.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 18:35 -!- camulos [~user@110.136.49.27] has joined #lnd 18:40 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48 -!- fitzsim` is now known as fitzsim 18:49 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 18:58 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 19:01 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 19:02 < PatBoy> https://pastebin.com/YqidMUXU .. what can make it find routes but cannot pay the invoice ? 19:02 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03 < lndbot> lack of liquidity 19:03 < lndbot> in other words, the channels exist but the balances on the channel aren't in a way that lets you pay the invoice 19:03 < PatBoy> queryroutes dont take care of liquidity ? 19:04 < lndbot> query routes can only compare *capacity* of the channel, not *balances* on either end 19:04 < PatBoy> ooo kk thx 19:04 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 19:05 <@roasbeef> even beyond that 19:05 <@roasbeef> if the dest doesn't have inboubdn capacity, they couldn't even accept the payment 19:06 < lndbot> and if we want to go even beyond that beyond, queryroutes only looks at a snapshot, things can change rapidly that prevent your payment from going through 19:06 < lndbot> ex: you queryroute, things are good, 1s later a peer goes offline and suddenly you don't have any good routes 19:06 < PatBoy> yeah he have inbound capacity 19:07 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 < PatBoy> okk thx` 19:07 <@roasbeef> they also only have a single channel... 19:07 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 19:08 < lndbot> if they opened that channel outbound like most channel openings, they wouldn't be able to accept payments 19:08 < PatBoy> yeah i know but he but some sticker on blockstream supposly :P 19:09 < lndbot> ah, yeah in theory that should work to pay him through BS 19:09 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09 < lndbot> but there are a lot of things that could get in the way of that especially with only one channel 19:09 < PatBoy> probably him the problem.. i paid coinshirt.. coincards.. hodlmonkey .. coinpanic and other service without anyproblem 19:10 < lndbot> thats fantastic to hear, I've only bought the sticker so far 19:10 < lndbot> #craefulgang 19:10 < lndbot> also I don't wanna buy physical things, I wanna pay for digital goods and services 19:11 < PatBoy> why no physical thing ? 19:11 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203.179.90.205] has joined #lnd 19:11 < lndbot> it just doesn't synergize well with Lightning 19:11 < lndbot> who cares if a transaction is instant or takes 10 minutes to confirm if they gotta ship it to me 19:12 < PatBoy> haha yeah :P 19:12 < lndbot> physical things in-person are different 19:12 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 < lndbot> LN is gonna be huge there, I think 19:12 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 19:12 < PatBoy> yeah i think too 19:13 < lndbot> faster conf times than VISA, more TX/s, decent UX 19:14 < PatBoy> yeah :) 19:15 < PatBoy> if i set --push_amt when opening the channel.. does all the fund is mine if i close the channel right after ? 19:15 < lndbot> don't use push_amt 19:15 < PatBoy> in other word.. can i make a bidirectionnal channel on initialization ? 19:15 < lndbot> it's giving the other side money on channel open 19:15 < PatBoy> okk 19:15 < lndbot> if you're fine with giving away money, it works 19:16 < lndbot> it does create more balanced channels lol 19:16 < PatBoy> hahah 19:16 < lndbot> if you have a friend you trust, you can trade on-chain funds for push amt 19:16 < lndbot> there is a tool being worked on to do that trustlessly, and it'll probably be a part of functionality in some scenario in the future 19:16 < lndbot> but right now, it's giving the other side money with no strings attached 19:17 < PatBoy> yeah u 'just' need to ignore to 'push_amt' when closing the contrat and regive it to funder .. more easy to say probably hahah 19:17 < PatBoy> okk good to know ^^ 19:17 < PatBoy> thx 19:17 < lndbot> I've used it to open well-balanced channels that I hope to have open for a long time 19:17 < lndbot> but the other side could've cheated me out of funds 19:18 < PatBoy> yeah 19:36 -!- Styils [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 19:36 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1005: Wallet Recovery (master...wallet-recovery) https://git.io/vxijJ 20:21 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p549DD6DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:22 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@128.90.23.139] has joined #lnd 20:22 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 20:27 -!- Styils is now known as Styil 20:28 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 20:36 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 21:19 < lndbot> If the delivery agent can follow a protocol, the buyer and seller can take advantage of LN preimage revelation to prevent fraud on both sides of the sale. The seller can accept a deposit, then the delivery agent can withhold the physical good at the point of delivery until the buyer pays the remainder and reveals the preimage (or part of it). 21:21 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 21:26 < lndbot> true, but I'd rather do that via normal escrow on the base chain 21:27 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 21:29 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 21:49 <@roasbeef> yep you can do escrow over LN as well 21:56 < lndbot> I like the idea of making the preimage a decryption key for some encrypted file :slightly_smiling_face: 22:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 22:00 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 22:01 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 22:11 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 22:14 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 22:18 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 22:21 <@roasbeef> either via multiple pre-images, or secret sharing the preimage 22:26 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 22:30 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-44-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #lnd 23:07 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 23:19 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has joined #lnd 23:26 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-44-226-107-190.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 23:36 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 23:51 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:55 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: richard87] 23:57 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd