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<@roasbeef> waxwing: set up over multiple hops? 12:20 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 12:20 < waxwing> well the thought is probably not meaningful, but was just wondering in a scenario like: someone has my node pubkey, my node is up but i don't have a port open, could they open a channel by sending p2p messages via other nodes on the network. i don't mean hops as per HTLC. 12:21 -!- Arrayz [4c6eb89f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.110.184.159] has joined #lnd 12:21 < waxwing> afair there is no such mechanism possible as is. but anyway what alex says is already good enough in the rare case that you want to do something like that. 12:22 < Arrayz> whats the easiest way to see the Bech32 address of your lightning wallet - for transferring additional funds? 12:27 < lndbot1> Arrayz: `lncli newaddress p2wkh` 12:28 < lndbot1> waxwing: so you’re proposing using Lightning nodes as a sort of proxy for the communication to open channels? 12:30 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] 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to add additional funds to an existing channel, is this already available in lnd? 12:45 < waxwing> tyzbit : i wasn't proposing it, no :) i was just musing about it because i was answering someone earlier who thought you couldn't use lightning without having ports open, i qualified my response by saying "well, it's true you can't have people open channels to you without having the port open", but then it just started me thinking about whether it was technically possible. 12:45 <@roasbeef> Arrayz: no but just needs to be implemented really 12:45 < waxwing> and since as alexbosworth pointed out, you can do it anyway if you connect to them, it's even less interesting of a question :) 12:45 <@roasbeef> was some like ICo person trying to claim they discovered it 12:46 <@roasbeef> to later pump their token i guess 12:46 < waxwing> molz, yes i know. thta's what i explained to the person. 12:46 < Arrayz> lol 12:46 < lndbot1> I think a better idea is to implement some firewall holepunching in `lnd`, maybe coordinated by p2p messages maybe not 12:46 < lndbot1> haven’t thought that much about it 12:46 <@roasbeef> there's a NAT PR up 12:46 <@roasbeef> does upnp and nat-pmp 12:46 <@roasbeef> we 12:47 <@roasbeef> we'll see if ppl are ok with like the 1-2 latency RTTs over onion serivces 12:49 < lndbot1> why would there be more than expected latency over onion services? or I guess conversely, how would you eliminate that latency given the nature of tor? 12:50 < lndbot1> also dang, y’all move so fast. PRs for everything. I’m gonna take a look at the NAT PR 12:50 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51 <@roasbeef> fsho would appreicate some testing on it 12:51 <@roasbeef> latest version tries to try both types of traversal we know how to get psat 12:51 <@roasbeef> diff routers have diff capabilities and all 12:51 <@roasbeef> tyzbit: it's inherent 12:51 <@roasbeef> tor is low latency, but not suuuuper low 12:52 < lndbot1> okay, that makes sense. I would think users who use Tor also understand the performance implications of it, but I guess that’s not a given 12:54 <@roasbeef> well i just mean that unfortunately all these demos that are going viral are priming users for low latency payments 12:54 <@roasbeef> which itself, is a centralizing force 12:54 <@roasbeef> less hops, less latency 12:54 <@roasbeef> while tor adds more privacy, it'll increase latency a bit if most/many routing nodes and also client side apps are using it 12:56 < lndbot1> yeah, I can see that 12:56 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 12:56 < lndbot1> would Tor ever be the default mode for LND? :P 12:56 <@roasbeef> even w/ added latency due to tor, will likely still be faster than like chip-and-pin, which can take up to 10 seconds fwiw (alo=so not really the best comparison) 12:57 <@roasbeef> maaaybe 12:57 <@roasbeef> you should try out the PR, it's pretty cool 12:57 < lndbot1> yeah, I will when I get home later today though I’ve already 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