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It had lnd running with Glide still, pulled, installed dep and ran dep ensure. Got that error. Not sure how to proceed 01:38 < stevenroose> Probably remove entire gopath filder 01:38 < stevenroose> folder* 01:43 < stevenroose> worked after removing $GOPATH/pkg 01:43 < stevenroose> with just /src removed still didn't 01:43 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 01:50 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 02:00 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 02:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] parth-choudhary opened pull request #1393: Fixing Typo in error response aezeed/errors.go (master...master) https://git.io/vhPxQ 02:17 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 02:57 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 02:59 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 03:01 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DDB6D82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 03:12 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DDB6D82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 03:12 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 03:20 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 03:46 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 03:59 -!- dsai [~dalitsair@213.55.176.135] has joined #lnd 04:01 -!- dalitsairio [~dalitsair@31.10.149.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:22 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 04:26 -!- joost_ [~joost@ip51cf95f6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lnd 04:26 -!- baryluk [~baryluk@81.6.34.246] has joined #lnd 04:28 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 04:28 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36 < baryluk> http://lightningnetwork.me/ LOL. and WTF at the same time. 04:49 < baryluk> They didn't even bother to make it https 04:52 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:53 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 04:53 < molz> that has nothing to do with Lightning Network, it's another scam 04:57 < cjd[m]> and the CEO looks like he deals coke 04:57 < baryluk> Yeah. I just reported them to goddady, because at the moment I have no better ideas 04:57 < baryluk> oh. there is a lot of red flags. 04:58 < baryluk> Token presale with 100% bonus (USD $1 = 2,000 Bolt) 04:58 < baryluk> 4 Trillion Bolt tokens offered for sale 04:58 < baryluk> $2 B 04:58 < baryluk> Presale 04:58 < baryluk> initial investment 04:58 < baryluk> opportunity 04:58 < baryluk> $1 B 04:58 < cjd[m]> Internet (and expecially crypto) is kind of caveat emptor world anyway 04:58 < baryluk> Daily Transactions 04:58 < baryluk> Projected By 04:58 < baryluk> 2025 04:58 < baryluk> $100 B 04:58 < baryluk> Market Capitalization 04:59 < baryluk> Projected By 04:59 < baryluk> 2025 04:59 < baryluk> Yaah. 100 billion $. 04:59 < baryluk> lol 04:59 < baryluk> "BOLT" token. 04:59 < baryluk> missleading testimonies. 04:59 < baryluk> zero technical details. 04:59 < baryluk> no product 04:59 < baryluk> "white paper" link shows empty page. ;) 05:00 -!- jrabe [jrabe@janikrabe.com] has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 05:00 < baryluk> There is mobile Lightning Wallet screenshot in the pdf (Investor Deck). it is silly photosop of ios, things are missaligned even. and it shows BOLT separately to BTC. 05:00 -!- jrabe [jrabe@janikrabe.com] has joined #lnd 05:00 < baryluk> many other sillines 05:00 < cjd[m]> > A fool and his money are soon parted 05:00 < cjd[m]> early english proverb 05:03 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ayajtaynrlrhtqyj] has joined #lnd 05:07 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:09 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:12 < dome> I can't stand token presales, or the idea that there have to be thousands of different tokens. One of the main reason's I'm excited about lightning network, hopefully this will help do away with all the nonsense 05:14 < cjd[m]> I kind of like the idea of anonymous bearer securities 05:14 < dome> well yes if they're treated as securities 05:15 < dome> but I also kind of like the idea that securities should report GAAP earnings 05:15 < dome> also there comes the whole issue with accredited investors, and once again scams 05:16 < baryluk> Hi. I am reading through out docs on lightning-rfc, and I cannot really find the format of message and repornse that the final payment destination receives when doing payment 05:17 < baryluk> neighter in code 05:17 < baryluk> it is somwehere... 05:17 < baryluk> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md#forwarding-htlcs ? or where 05:18 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 05:23 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29 < baryluk> I guess it is OnionBlob in update_add_htlc.go, and it is fixed size. 05:29 < baryluk> I was thinking about idea to have a a bit of additional metadata that is only visible to the last node. for business reasons. ;) 05:31 < baryluk> It says there is 1300 bytes of per-hop data. But is it all utilized? 05:38 < baryluk> it is not possible :( 05:39 < baryluk> My idea was to be able to provide arbitrary additional data for the last hop, i.e. metada about payer (name, address, email, phone number, refund address specification, i.e. addresses and acceptable time and fees for refunds, and arbitrary human readable text field. so we can use LN as a distributed onion layered IM communicator). 05:41 < baryluk> these would be mostly used by support stuff, or automated systems if something goes wrong after the transaction on LN is done. but on business side something is not good 05:42 < baryluk> sending back immediately to the sender pubkey is not always the correct thing to do. 05:45 < dome> I'm still new to the lightning spec so maybe i'm misunderstanding something, does this data need to only be available to the final recipient? Can't the transaction itself just carry metadata the whole way? 05:46 < baryluk> well, it doesn't exactly work like that. also all data over network is encrypted, and so should be metadata. 05:46 -!- dsai [~dalitsair@213.55.176.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46 -!- dsai [~dalitsair@31.10.149.69] has joined #lnd 05:47 < baryluk> but you cannot just append at the end metadata encrypted with public key of the destination, because you would reveal to intermidiate steps and network what is destination. you should also sign it, and that also reveals the sender. so that defeats the onion routing to huge extent. (it allows tracking, and reduces fungibility). 05:47 < baryluk> it would be good to have standarized and extensible metadata for last hop tho. 05:47 < dome> i see what you mean 05:48 < baryluk> i.e. I made a LN transaction, and I want a refund, and they know I need a refund, but they do not have my btc or lightning address, phone number, email, or other info. So I need to deal with their support now here and back. 05:50 < baryluk> I am a noob too, no worries. I only made like 4 transactions. And tried another 20 that failed due to technical reasons in various systems here and there. 05:50 < baryluk> but getting there. 05:50 < baryluk> technical, and maturity / liquidity of the network itself 05:50 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 05:53 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:55 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:05 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:05 < dome> yeah I'm just getting started, still doing some reading going to set up a node this weekend and test out some transactions. It's much easier for me when I can have some hands on experience 06:06 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:07 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 06:11 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:13 < molz> dome, yup, same for me... the best way for me to learn is handson experience 06:17 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:20 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 06:21 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@196.201.6.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:22 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@196.201.6.216] has joined #lnd 06:22 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:42 < cjd[m]> This is a big off-topic but since some of you folks are probably making webapps which must be secure, the results of this experimentation might be interesting to you: https://blog.cryptpad.fr/2018/06/15/Signing-CryptPad/ 06:43 < dome> cjd[m] thanks, looks like an interesting raed 06:45 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- dymurray [dymurray@nat/redhat/x-wiqakslzpbhnbflj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00 -!- dymurray [dymurray@nat/redhat/x-jogafybuxqoczpyd] has joined #lnd 07:03 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 07:21 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ayajtaynrlrhtqyj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:42 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 07:47 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:30 < BashCo> roasbeef: my options are --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.mainnet --autopilot.active --autopilot.allocation=1 --debuglevel=info --bitcoin.node=bitcoind 08:31 < BashCo> plus rpcuser, zmqpath, alias and color 08:49 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:53 < BashCo> also the wallet balance is around 2000000 sats 09:03 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #lnd 09:17 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 09:18 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@64.79.112.2] has joined #lnd 09:19 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 09:40 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DDB6D82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 09:41 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DDB6D82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 09:41 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 09:44 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@64.79.112.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:56 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@64.79.112.2] has joined #lnd 10:00 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@64.79.112.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:13 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 10:22 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:40 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-172-72-228-93.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 10:47 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-172-72-228-93.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:50 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@user-94-254-247-27.play-internet.pl] has joined #lnd 10:51 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 11:13 -!- MaxSan [~user@86.105.9.67] has joined #lnd 11:16 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 11:33 < lndbot2> loving the new closechannels call 11:33 < lndbot2> would be cool to see from what channel payments come from to have stats on that 11:33 < lndbot2> guessing it's also bad for privacy too I guess hmmm 11:38 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:49 -!- drrty [drrty@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/drrty] has joined #lnd 11:52 < RusAlex> hi folks. can somebody confirm that bitrefill node is offline ? 11:52 < RusAlex> 52.16.240.222 11:52 < RusAlex> I cannot connect to it 11:54 < lndbot2> It also doesn’t like me 11:55 < RusAlex> some kind of troubles 11:59 < lndbot2> I'm rescanning the wallet 11:59 < lndbot2> Down for a bit almost done, sorry for the trouble! 11:59 < lndbot2> on (height 505708) ;) 12:05 < RusAlex> for me it's offline whole day 12:06 < lndbot2> It's been taking a while to rescan 12:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 13:09 < lndbot2> @RusAlex back up now 13:18 -!- rk3y [6d5a186a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.90.24.106] has joined #lnd 13:19 -!- rk3y [6d5a186a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.90.24.106] has quit [Client Quit] 13:40 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:64db:7d1b:43b:9793] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:9577:8cb2:abfd:4f86] has joined #lnd 13:44 < RusAlex> thanks 13:44 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 13:49 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 13:54 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 14:14 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 14:33 -!- joost_ [~joost@ip51cf95f6.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:57 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@user-94-254-247-27.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:59 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 15:02 -!- Akihabara [Akihabara@static.163.101.201.195.clients.your-server.de] has quit [] 15:07 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 15:18 < baryluk> Hello again, did anybody yet setup to independent LND nodes at different parts of the LN network, and just do a stress of sending a lot of transactions back and forth, and via strange routes maybe even (non optimal ones) for testing? It shouldn't be that expensive at the current state of fees 15:18 < baryluk> s/to/two independents/ 15:19 < lndbot2> Sounds like a cool project 15:19 < baryluk> Like a LN prober. Just you know, maybe something that actually does 100 or 1000 transactions per second for few hours ;) 15:21 < lndbot2> Would guesstimate that would cost under $5000 15:23 < molz> baryluk, have you sent payments to satoshis.place? that would be good tests 15:23 < molz> you can set up a few nodes and don't have a direct channel to satoshis.place, but have channels with other nodes and see if you can send to SP 15:24 < molz> baryluk, also, this site has just been launched on mainnet: https://lightninggem.com/ 15:24 < baryluk> 6 hours @ 1000 tps, is 21.6M transactions. 6 hopes on average. that is 120M fees. average fee is 2 sat (1 sat base + 1 sat for the forwarding of the message, and updating htlcs). that is 240 million satoshi. so 2 BTC? 15:25 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:9577:8cb2:abfd:4f86] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25 < molz> i guess so.. where did you get this info? 15:26 < baryluk> what info? 15:26 < molz> what you just posted 15:26 < baryluk> fom myself. simple multiplications 15:26 < baryluk> ah. mistake 15:27 < baryluk> 6 hours @ 1000 tps is 21600 transactions 15:27 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:5536:bc97:474a:6433] has joined #lnd 15:27 < baryluk> I accidentlyno 15:27 < baryluk> no 15:27 < baryluk> it is 6 * 60 * 60 * 1000 is 21.6M it is correct 15:27 < baryluk> lncli descriptgraph | grep+awk for averages 15:28 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 15:28 < lndbot2> Seems roughly reasonable 15:28 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:29 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 15:32 < baryluk> 11526 channels. 27404 msat base fee on average. 27 sat average. ok I see a lot of nodes with 1000 msat. but there are some nodes setting high like 1400000 msat base fee. that skews stuff. median is 1000, and 98th percentile is 10000 msat. 15:32 < baryluk> so I would say realistically 1 msat for base actually 15:32 < baryluk> more than correct 15:33 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 15:33 < baryluk> I double counted the number of channels, but I also accounted for fee in both directions. so stats hold 15:35 < baryluk> for the variable costs, it is 52 msat per byte on average. median is 10 msat. 98th percentile is 10 msat. and 99th percentile is 100 msat. 15:36 < baryluk> any how from my expirience of sending few invoices, total fee across all nodes on my routes were just few sat total. 15:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 15:37 < baryluk> one could abuse a system, and maybe find a long route with very low fees, and attach to these nodes ;D 15:38 < baryluk> molz: hehehe. hotpotato + linear pyramid scheme. i like it 15:43 <@roasbeef> baryluk: sooo many rando LN ICO scams, you should see my email lol 15:43 <@roasbeef> baryluk: what do you mean final message? like settling the HTLC? 15:44 <@roasbeef> baryluk: yeh it's possible to have additional data, each hop has some unused space, but also if you don't use all 20 hops, you can encrypt the latter hops w/ the same key for the destination 15:44 < baryluk> roasbeef: more like some structured data for the final node. out side of the scope of the transaction processing. 15:44 <@roasbeef> so can potentially use hundreds of bytes 15:44 < baryluk> roasbeef: yeah. I figured this one looking at sphinx.go and routing.go, but it is complex. 15:44 <@roasbeef> have you seen the initial AMP post? it goes into detail how to utilize that extra space 15:44 < baryluk> 1KB would probably be enough 15:45 <@roasbeef> BashCo: what commit/release? 15:45 < baryluk> no. not really 15:45 <@roasbeef> justin: yeh idk how we went so long w/o having it lol 15:45 <@roasbeef> baryluk: have done so locally (stress test) but not on live network yet, other things are a prio rn 15:46 < baryluk> sure. I was just curious. I was thinking it would be cheaper to run few hours stress test at 1000 tps over random paths. but it isn't it adds up to over 1 BTC. 15:46 < baryluk> definietively 15:46 < baryluk> we need more instrumentation and local benchmarks first. true. true. hint. hint. 15:47 <@roasbeef> baryluk: re fees, there's a PR in now (that needs to be improved a bit) to let the sender have a max % or amt to fees, so can stuff funny biz like that 15:47 < lndbot2> most optimal way to utilize the network tps is just to have all nodes send back and forth 15:47 < baryluk> it will be probably cheaper to spin up 20 AWS instances, form part of a small clique in an LN network and do test in that environment. 15:47 < lndbot2> can get like 500-1000 tps on one channel 15:47 < baryluk> roasbeef: that is really good.. I was going to ask for something like that. 15:47 <@roasbeef> baryluk: def agreed about more instrumentation, most node operators are pretty blind rn lol 15:48 < lndbot2> currently 5181 channels, that means 2.6M-5.1M tps 15:48 < lndbot2> suck it visa 15:48 < lndbot2> #napkin math 15:48 <@roasbeef> lol 15:49 < baryluk> as of fees, is there some policy WHEN to settle contracts on main chain, or do update of contract on block chain (i.e. extend). sure the time is involved, but also fees estimation on blockchain are a factor. I was wondering if lnd is taking this into account right now. i.e. maybe close channel earlier if fees are low, or wait, or I do not know. i.e. do not wait whole period. 15:49 < baryluk> (I know it can do weird things to blockchain in the future is there is strange synchronized behaviour accross millions of users running LN nodes...) 15:50 <@roasbeef> baryluk: yes there's a policy, atm it's very basic, but needs more heuristics to make it more efficient and utilize captail better 15:50 <@roasbeef> sec lemmie find the isuse 15:50 < baryluk> Yeah. I expect any node can forward 1000 tps with maybe 1 or 2 cores of modern CPU. So yeah that should up to what you say conner. 15:50 <@roasbeef> baryluk: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1226 15:51 <@roasbeef> baryluk: yeh atm it's I/O limited in many placs, haven't optimized that at all, as isn't the most critical rthing rn 15:51 < baryluk> roasbeef: you are a smart man. thining few steps ahead of me 15:51 <@roasbeef> hehe 15:52 < baryluk> maybe you should use black-scholes equation modeling to estimate fees now vs in the end of the contract. and what to do. ;D 15:53 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 15:53 < baryluk> joking right now. it is a bit cpu intensive to do a lot of things like that. but doable in the future, for people really wanting to optimize stuff up. 15:53 < baryluk> there is incentive to do so ;) 15:54 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #lnd 15:55 <@roasbeef> hehe, but yeh can imagine in the future ppl will turn to more complex optimization 15:56 < baryluk> they will 15:56 <@roasbeef> have some plans as well later on to factor in link lvl metrics (failed %, fee revenue, etc) to then optimize channel selection at the higher lvl 15:56 < baryluk> they will asynchronously run estimations and modeling on GPUs ;) 15:56 <@roasbeef> hehe 15:56 <@roasbeef> also have some cool stuff have been working on related to this, hope to publish the paper by the end of the month 15:56 < baryluk> I mean. Probably not THAT much, as transactions on blockchain are not that bad to justify a lot of expense to do so. but once code is there, it is cheapish to do 15:59 -!- Akihabara [Akihabara@static.163.101.201.195.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 15:59 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vh1mq 16:02 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master d82ef41 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: rpc: sort closed channels in order of ascending height 16:02 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master aeca4d6 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #1390 from Roasbeef/sorted-closed-channels... 16:05 -!- savil [62cf5652@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.207.86.82] has joined #lnd 16:14 -!- pcre [~quassel@anon-38-87.vpn.ipredator.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:31 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined 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-github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #1400: chainntnfs/btcdnotify: make copy of transactions to include in spend … (master...notifier-mem-fix) https://git.io/vh1nA 19:09 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:18 -!- freannrak [~ar@188.166.55.44] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:20 -!- freannrak [~ar@188.166.55.44] has joined #lnd 20:33 < freannrak> roasbeef: thanks for mentioning mosh the other day 20:33 < freannrak> it's awesome. i've been doing vpn+irssi wrong. 20:41 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:44 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 21:22 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 21:26 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:27 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping 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