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I want a great answer to why a node in the middle can't recieve funds and also refuse to send funds. A->B->C, why can't B keep the funds A sends or why can't A refuse to send funds to B once C has recieved from B 03:38 < Veggen> Spook, the simple: The first thing A sends to B is a promise - backed with a cryptographicv guarantee - that if he pays N BTC to the destination (he doesn't know the destination, only that he shall forward it to C), he'll get it from A. 03:39 < Veggen> This times out, so if B fails to give this proof, the promise is not there anymore, the payment of N expires. 03:39 < Veggen> And if B pays but A fails to compl, B has enough info to claim the funds on-chain. 03:40 < Veggen> Think of it as two halves. Anyone who have both halves can claim the funds. 03:42 < Veggen> A sends the first half to B, who sends it to C. C replies with the 2nd half to B. If B doesn't cooperate, C still can claim his money because he has both halves. 03:42 < Veggen> The same way between B and A, B can claim the funds because he has both halves. 03:44 < Veggen> Now, this works because it actually cost money to open channels, so we *can* assume that people will not waste money on opening channels to *not* route transactions. They'll lose money on it. For everyone else, it'll be a nuisance but they won't lose money. 03:46 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 03:49 < SpoekplumpeN> Thanks, trying to wrap my head around it I might be back ;) 04:08 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 04:09 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:11 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 04:16 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lnd 04:21 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 04:26 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:28 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lnd 04:33 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:34 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 04:39 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50 < Veggen> Trying to write on a beginners guide blug-posting/faq thing: https://random.engen.priv.no/archives/498 04:56 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has joined #lnd 04:57 < ziya> there's a simple (and old) faq here.. 04:57 < ziya> https://medium.com/@The1Brand7/lightning-faq-67bd2b957d70 04:57 -!- petrkr2 [~petrkr@static-84-42-230-243.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 04:57 < ziya> won't delv into dev stuff though.. 04:57 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:59 -!- petrkr2 is now known as petrkr 04:59 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:08 < Veggen> ziya: ok. That one was perhaps more in-depth than mine, mine was more practical :) 05:09 < Veggen> different purpose. That one is lightning concepts, mine is an attempt to help beginners through LND weirdness. 05:10 < ziya> great. I'll be glad to see you publish such a thing 05:11 < Veggen> well, my beginnings are in the URL i pasted :) 05:12 < Veggen> (some criticism is welcome. More tech? command examples? Other things beginners often don't immediately grasp? 05:13 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 05:17 < ziya> that's great. I'll check it out later 05:22 -!- ziya [~ziya@91.233.116.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:39 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:05 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:17 < Veggen> Hmm. I need to find out how I tally those paid likes and present it on the page. The data is in my woocommerce tables, though, so shouldn't be that hard. 06:53 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has quit [] 06:53 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has joined #lnd 06:53 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] menzels opened pull request #1572: AddInvoice: check for negative and zero amt (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fNskX 07:19 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:20 -!- JackH [~laptop@i25091.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:29 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 08:03 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 08:07 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:09 < RusAlex> hi mates. Want to participate in a project. Not very experienced with GO but would like to write a bash completion script for lncli . is it possible then place the code into main repository ? 08:12 < RusAlex> ah there is already one 08:19 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #lnd 08:33 < RusAlex> set it up for myself and now happy ) 08:38 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 08:41 -!- eamonnw [~eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-paljfuqedmzbmrzq] has joined #lnd 08:54 < RusAlex> what file I have to backup to save my lnd wallet ? 08:54 < RusAlex> wallet.db ? 09:03 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:11 < molz> RusAlex, your seed words 09:24 < Veggen> there's no good way to backup channels yet, though. 09:24 < Veggen> I'd still do a backup of channel.db as a last resort :) 09:26 < Veggen> ...and especially backing it up before upgrades is wise anyhow, but as soon as a node is fully started again, that backup is bad. Only to be used as a last resort if all other means of retrieving data is exhausted (yes, I mean tools to read formatted hard drives. 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I'm not sure why I get build errors with my PKGBUILD but not when building with normal $GOPATH. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lnd-git/#comment-654665 11:54 <@roasbeef> kjkjkjkj` 11:54 <@roasbeef> ` 12:06 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-smfjlmdawckjsquc] has joined #lnd 12:21 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 12:32 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-pzmdlzeitynvqwim] has joined #lnd 12:34 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-smfjlmdawckjsquc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 12:38 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 12:41 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 13:06 -!- bitconner 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quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #1577: channeldb: ensure that we return an invoice on duplicate settles (master...invoice-duplicate-settle) https://git.io/fNGU3 16:37 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fNGUd 16:44 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master daf4a25 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: discovery: fix missing formatting argument... 16:55 -!- enlessdyor [~ivan@189.202.21.198.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lnd 16:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #1578: invoiceregistry: make the invoice ntfn chan buffered (master...invoice-ntfn-buffer) https://git.io/fNGTF 17:02 -!- enlessdyor [~ivan@189.202.21.198.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 17:10 -!- spaced0ut_ [~spaced0ut@206.193.225.133.nauticom.net] has joined #lnd 17:13 -!- 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