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13:18 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] wpaulino opened pull request #1701: docs: update instructions to generate proto definitions (master...lnrpc-docs) https://git.io/fN9tA
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14:24 < IntPtr1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
14:24 < IntPtr1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
14:24 < IntPtr1> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
14:24 < IntPtr1> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
14:24 < IntPtr1> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
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15:15 < EXCEPTS> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
15:15 < EXCEPTS> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
15:15 < EXCEPTS> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
15:15 < EXCEPTS> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
15:15 < EXCEPTS> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
15:17 < danielhuman> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
15:17 < danielhuman> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
15:17 < molz> roasbeef, 
15:17 < danielhuman> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
15:17 < danielhuman> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
15:17 < danielhuman> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
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16:06 <@roasbeef> molz: ehh it's getting better 
16:07 <@roasbeef> they'll stop soon, right? lol 
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16:07 <@roasbeef> i mean spammers gonna spam, but they also have other hobbies right? 
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16:10 < molz> lol ya right :P
16:10 < molz> it's been his obsession for over two weeks
16:10 < molz> must be a very boring summer for him
16:10 <@roasbeef> kek     
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18:21 < barbietoss> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
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18:22 < molz> roasbeef, haha... so they get killed after the first msg 
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19:19 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] Roasbeef closed pull request #80: multi: eliminate getblocks usage, optimize writeCFHeaderMsg, bump neutrino version  (master...neutrino-optimizations) https://git.io/fNiJf
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19:30 <@roasbeef> molz: it's working? 
19:35 < molz> yea i think so
19:50 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #1705: build: update neutrino to latest version (master...neutrino-update) https://git.io/fN9oK
19:55 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN9o7
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19:55 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 8a56b33 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #1702 from wpaulino/peer-bootstrapper-backoff...
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20:03 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 97f9759 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #1675 from cfromknecht/peer-backoff-backoff...
20:22 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1705: build: update neutrino to latest version (master...neutrino-update) https://git.io/fN9oK
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20:31 <@roasbeef> molz: looks like that one didn't get kicked? 
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20:36 < molz> roasbeef, because he didn't join
20:36 < molz> roasbeef, it seems if they send a spam without joining, they don't get killed until after their first spam
20:37 < molz> but if they join i think they'll get killed instantly
20:42 <@roasbeef> gotcha 
20:43 <@roasbeef> so maybe i should go back to +r as well? 
20:53 < molz> roasbeef, it's up to you, but i think -r might be ok so we can allow legit unregistered users who need help with LND?
20:54 <@roasbeef> yeh, guess it's nice for that 
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22:04 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 8758671 Conner Fromknecht: contractcourt/chain_arbitrator: fix potential shutdown race...
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22:17 < ChunkyPuffs> I know this isn't #lightning-charge, but nobody is in there right now
22:17 < ChunkyPuffs> "Runs in testnet mode by default, set NETWORK to override."
22:17 <@roasbeef> oyt     
22:17 < ChunkyPuffs> what does this mean?
22:17 <@roasbeef> guessing an env variable? 
22:18 < ChunkyPuffs> yes but it doesn't tell you what the damn variable you're supposed to use
22:18 < ChunkyPuffs> is it NETWORK=tesnet?
22:18 <@roasbeef> idk...
22:18 < ChunkyPuffs> is it NETWORK=mainnte
22:18 < ChunkyPuffs> is it NETWORK=regtest
22:19 < ChunkyPuffs> Not specified, no documentation, this has been the biggest hurdle in setting up lightning shit for me.
22:19 <@roasbeef> asking the wrong person....
22:19 <@roasbeef> on the otherhand...there's: https://api.lightning.community/
22:19 < ChunkyPuffs> Seems to be the standard response to anything asked about lightning.
22:19 < ChunkyPuffs> Just because it's new tech doesn't mean this should be the passive response from #lnd
22:19 <@roasbeef> you're asking about another project that I dont' use or maintain 
22:20 < ChunkyPuffs> I know someone who spend their honeymoon reading about lightning, it's interesting, but it's annoying as hell.
22:20 < ChunkyPuffs> Spent*
22:20 <@roasbeef> you understand that lightning-charge is for c-lighting, and this is the lnd channel right? 
22:20 < ChunkyPuffs> well someone in here knowing is the difference between a lightning snack terminal being set up today or next week lol
22:20 < ChunkyPuffs> I understand that, but you understand that we're all part of the same community, right?
22:20 <@roasbeef> yes...but i didn't write those docs
22:21 <@roasbeef> i didn't write the software, so i have the exact same q as you 
22:21 < ChunkyPuffs> yeah, I'm from the UK, that means I know nothing about the US.
22:21 < ChunkyPuffs> Wrong, I live in the West.
22:21 <@roasbeef> lol not an accurate comparison... 
22:21 < ChunkyPuffs> Similarly, you live in Bitcoin, that means you ought to know something about the thing that is related to Bitcoin. If you don't, fine, but don't make this pretense.
22:21 < ChunkyPuffs> This is BS logic.
22:21 <@roasbeef> Bitcoin is a system, just because someone knows how to run bitcoind, doesn't mean they also know how to run btcd 
22:22 < ChunkyPuffs> You're just being pedantic, I get it, the "I know nathing!" approach, let's move on.
22:22 <@roasbeef> ok....
22:22 <@roasbeef> there's no digging w.r.t meaning here, I've simply never run that software at all, so I don't know what NETWORK should be set to 
22:22 < ChunkyPuffs> Right, and I never asked beyond that
22:23 <@roasbeef> yeh idk m8
22:23 < ChunkyPuffs> but you claimed that because this is #lnd the only thing people in here will ever know is #lnd and have no interest outside of #lnd
22:23 < ChunkyPuffs> which is wrong, and anti-social
22:23 < ChunkyPuffs> and heavily anti-productive
22:23 <@roasbeef> it's my best guess based on the members in this channel 
22:23 < ChunkyPuffs> yes, because people involved in #lnd know nothing about things that aren't #lnd.
22:24 < ChunkyPuffs> They don't know how to use linux, couldn't answer linux questions, couldn't comment on lightning tools.
22:24 < ChunkyPuffs> monobrains
22:24 <@roasbeef> um, i'm trying to help out here, and you're just going on about how i'm unable to heop 
22:24 < ChunkyPuffs> No, I'm really annoyed at the monotopic projection, it's not real, I never asked anything out of scope.
22:25 < ChunkyPuffs> And every single time a question about lightning is asked, it's batted out of court because it's not 100% off topic.
22:25 <@roasbeef> there's no monotopic here, idk, maybe other ppl do, i guess you'll have to wait to find out
22:25 < ChunkyPuffs> on-topic*
22:25 <@roasbeef> relax
22:26 < ChunkyPuffs> I have spent the last 2-3 weeks watching someone highly academic figure out lighting without the documentation, and his criticism is that autopilot doesn't do anything yet, that the system is highly-gameable, and that it has nothing to do with decentralization yet due to aforementioned autopilot doing jack shit.
22:26 < ChunkyPuffs> And all I want to do is set up a snack bot.
22:26 < ChunkyPuffs> So I come in here and ask about a small thing, and you tell me to go away.
22:26 < ChunkyPuffs> That's the state of lightning?
22:26 <@roasbeef> i didn't so go away...i said idk 
22:27 < nullcone> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
22:28 < ChunkyPuffs> You didn't say idk, you said this is off topic, "I didn't write that documentation!"
22:28 <@roasbeef> one can read the code and confirm that it does in fact "do anything yet" 
22:28 < ChunkyPuffs> no, it's not, it's lightning, it's encompassed, this is like saying don't talk about unix in #linux, it's retarded
22:28 <@roasbeef> ok, thanks for this exchange
22:28 < molz> what's going on?
22:28 < pinPoint10> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
22:28 < pinPoint10> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
22:28 < pinPoint10> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
22:29 < molz> whoa
22:29 <@roasbeef> idk they're all mad that idk how to run the software they're trying to run 
22:29 < ChunkyPuffs> I asked a basic question and I'm annoyed that it was batted down as being unrelated, unworthy of even mentioning in #lnd, monotopic, etc.
22:29 <@roasbeef> you're reading waaay to much into my comments, chill 
22:29 < ChunkyPuffs> There's no documentation on anything. I've spent over 6 hours trying to figure small things out that should really be trivial.
22:30 <@roasbeef> you can make a ticket in the repo then 
22:30 < ChunkyPuffs> and wait a day to set up something that should take no time at all and is advertised as a drop in solution?
22:30 < molz> ChunkyPuffs, i've spent one year and 7 months trying to help with lnd, what is your fucking problem?
22:30 < ChunkyPuffs> or maybe I could pick someone's brains
22:31 < ChunkyPuffs> my problem is with roasbeef batting things that he doesn't know about away and marking them unrelated, just for asking a simple question 
22:31 < ChunkyPuffs> I was happy with "I don't know". I was not happy with "this isn't lnd"
22:32 < molz> ChunkyPuffs, you expect roasbeef to know everything ?
22:32 < ChunkyPuffs> no     
22:32 < ChunkyPuffs> I was happy with "I don't know". I was not happy with "this isn't lnd"
22:32 < ChunkyPuffs> Every single time I have ever asked a question about lightning, the response is "this isn't lnd"
22:32 < molz> if it isn't LND, you should have the respect not to waste his time
22:32 < molz> grow up, dude
22:33 < ChunkyPuffs> It's a horrible production environment to tell the people that are trying to employ lightning in the real world to go away
22:33 < ChunkyPuffs> this is the most active irc for lightning 
22:33 < molz> then go away, leave
22:34 < molz> you're the only person that i've seen, every since you first showed up on this channel.. You have the worst rotten entitlement attitude and that hasn't changed
22:34 < ChunkyPuffs> or you could tell me a little something about lightning-charge so I can set up payments for a makerspace today
22:34 < molz> i don't know lightning-charge
22:34 < ChunkyPuffs> alternatively that will happen next week, next month or never, depending on whether the documentation exists to help me figure it out.
22:35 < molz> there's a channel for lightning-charge and two channels for c-lightning
22:35 < molz> there's also c-lightning github
22:35 < ChunkyPuffs> yeah, and the lightning-charge channel has 3 people in it.
22:35 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm in all of them.
22:35 < molz> and probably a github for lightning-charge
22:35 < ChunkyPuffs> I've told you, this is the most active lightning irc.
22:35 < molz> so what
22:35 < ChunkyPuffs> The chance of me finding help here is greater than anywhere else.
22:35 < molz> it doesn't mean for you to abuse this channel
22:35 < ChunkyPuffs> And the argument that it isn't, or that this is #lnd only is bullshit
22:35 < molz> fuck off
22:36 < ChunkyPuffs> like saying Linux isn't Unix
22:36 < ChunkyPuffs> asinine
22:36 < ChunkyPuffs> I've been here for a few months, I've asked a question about lightning every now and then, and every single time, I have been told to not ask it because it's not LND.
22:36 < ChunkyPuffs> It's terrible.
22:37 < ChunkyPuffs> It's like saying I shouldn't ask Linux sysadmins about linux problems... why make a fake barrier to entry for lightning, just allow people to ask questions about the technology.
22:39 < molz> but when people don't know the answer that you ask, you keep insisting them to help you, why?
22:40 < molz> are you that stupid to read or search for it somewhere else?
22:41 < ChunkyPuffs> yeah, very productive chat, very helpful, very positive
22:41 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm not insisting on help, I'm insisting on having a better attitude rather than batting away questions 
22:42 < molz> change your attitude to see if it can be better for you
22:42 < ChunkyPuffs> again, I was happy with "I don't know", I'm not happy with "go away"
22:42 < molz> lol you're the one that has the rotten attitude here
22:42 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm not happy with being told to go away, and that my question is unrelated.
22:42 < ChunkyPuffs> this is the most active lightning irc.
22:42 < molz> can you stop arguing?
22:43 < ChunkyPuffs> If my question is unrelated here, it's unrelated everywhere else.
22:43 < molz> i've been here one year and 7 months, i don't ever ask for help with c-lightning in here
22:44 < ChunkyPuffs> not the point, I'm just some regular user trying to set up a point of sale.
22:44 < molz> or eclair, or bitcoin, or altcoin.. or politics, or linux, or windows, i don't ask in here 
22:44 < ChunkyPuffs> yes, but the point is that most people here could probably tell you something about linux
22:44 < molz> who cares? 
22:44 < ChunkyPuffs> me, because I could ask you how to set something up
22:44 < molz> there are linux channels 
22:45 < ChunkyPuffs> and you'd probably be able to tell me something about how to set it up
22:45 < ChunkyPuffs> and if you can't, I'm happy
22:45 < ChunkyPuffs> but if you tell me to fuck off and go away because this is lnd only and blabla, I'm not happy
22:45 < ChunkyPuffs> I am not happy with the immediate pretense that this is lnd only, and if I have anything to say slightly off topic, that I'm not welcome
22:45 < molz> but each channel has its own specific topic and purposes, you have at least the respect for that
22:46 < molz> too bad, nobody here is obligated to make you happy
22:46 < ChunkyPuffs> yeah, but it's a bit pedantic, over the top, and anti-productive, isn't it
22:46 < molz> no     
22:46 < ChunkyPuffs> and it'd seem nobody here is obligated to do anything productive and make lightning successful either if you can't even help someone set up a kiosk.
22:47 < molz> if that's what you think, nobody here will change your mind
22:47 < ChunkyPuffs> I asked for a launch param, I got told "I don't know". That's fine.
22:47 < ChunkyPuffs> What's not fine is "that's not LND talk and off topic"
22:47 < molz> grow up, dude, take some responsibility, go read and find what you need
22:47 < ChunkyPuffs> pretentious, anti-productive, and also BS and untrue that nobody here would know, no, this is the most active lightning irc, if anybody is to know, it's many of the people here
22:48 < molz> stop expecting to be spoonfed every time you have a question
22:48 < ChunkyPuffs> It's blown way out of proportion now, yes.
22:48 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm not expecting to be spoonfed.
22:48 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm figuring it out on my own as we speak.
22:48 < jrick> that's impressive multitasking
22:48 < molz> yes you are expecting to be handed down, spoonfed, in your own entitlement attitude, that is enough
22:48 < ChunkyPuffs> I'm just mad that every time something is mentioned here, if it is not autistically LND only, it is made a point to mention that. 
22:48 < ChunkyPuffs> It's snotty.
22:49 < ChunkyPuffs> you don't have to tell me it's off-topic every single time, it does make you feel not-welcome.
22:49 < molz> jrick, hi :)
22:49 < jrick> hey     
22:50 < molz> jrick, just want to let you know, i'm very appreciative of your help at the beggining when i was trying to figure out how to run lnd on windows, i'll never forget that :D
22:50 < ChunkyPuffs> Windows
22:50 < ChunkyPuffs> Get out, you can't talk about that here
22:50 < ChunkyPuffs> that's not LND
22:50 < jrick> oh, yeah np
22:50 < molz> so in return, jrick, i've tried to help a few people how to do the same thing :D
22:51 < ChunkyPuffs> god forbid you ask about neutrino, or bitcoind.
22:51 < molz> yawn
22:51 < ChunkyPuffs> unrelated, nobody here knows about bitcoind or neutrino
22:52 < ChunkyPuffs> completely separate topics that should be discussed in their own irc (despite their interaction with lnd)
22:56 <@roasbeef> it's like going in a gentoo channel and complaining about something with debian.. 
22:57 <@roasbeef> you should channel these emotions to the creator of the software you're trying to use, not us 
22:57 < molz> yea, try to ask about windows in #linux channel, or go into #python and do "LOL" 
23:00 < ChunkyPuffs> Yeah, silly me for asking about lightning in a lightning channel.
23:00 < ChunkyPuffs> that's the point, numnuts.
23:00 <@roasbeef> lightning is a system
23:00 < ChunkyPuffs> It's not as unrelated as Windows to Linux. It's Unix to Linux.
23:00 <@roasbeef> you're asking about someone's project 
23:05 < ChunkyPuffs> So bad of me to ask about someone's popular lightning project in a popular lightning irc channel. 
23:06 < ChunkyPuffs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckYGyhbovrg hmmmm
23:06 < ChunkyPuffs> it was one of the major LApps actually, it's not just "someone's project"
23:06 <@roasbeef> no one is making any value judgments idk what you wnt from us, we don't know the answer to your question 
23:07 < ChunkyPuffs> No, the way you're characterising this as out of scope is just wrong, and annoying. That's all I have a problem with.
23:07 < bobazY> stop complaining
23:07 <@roasbeef> it is, please read the topic, and just chill tf out 
23:08 < bobazY> what wallet is used in that video?
23:09 <@roasbeef> iirc it was a webwallet running on the phone 
23:09 <@roasbeef> so like it hit a remote node to execute the payment 
23:10 < bobazY> ah     
23:20 < idn26> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
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