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05:55 < stevenroose> Doesn't seem to have an RSS/Atom feed :/ 05:55 < stevenroose> most jekyll/hugo/... static generators also generate RSS/Atom if you ask them to 05:56 < Talkless> yeah stevenroose that would be good idea if they would enable RSS/Atom 06:22 < Talkless> Damn, make for current master fails withL 06:22 < Talkless> # Bringing vendor into sync 06:22 < Talkless> grouped write of manifest, lock and vendor: failed to export github.com/btcsuite/btcwallet: fatal: failed to unpack tree object 5fb94231d0c814f02ffc3110eee588278151b4e1 06:23 < e4xit> Talkless I am seeing the same error on Ubuntu 18.04 06:23 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vforpxzyhulecsot] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:23 < Talkless> e4xit: gonna clean my lnd.go directory with all packages, and try installig again from scratch 06:24 < e4xit> excep sometimes I see "grouped write of manifest, lock and vendor: scratch directory /home/user/gocode/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/.vendor-new already exists, please remove it" 06:24 < e4xit> the gocode src directory? 06:24 < Talkless> yes, src bin pkg 06:24 < Talkless> gopath 06:25 < Talkless> yes e4xit I got that .vendor-new too error 06:26 < e4xit> Talkless les me know how it goes 06:26 < Talkless> e4xit: k 06:30 < Talkless> looks nice so far, not sure if "cmd/lncli/commands.go:23:2: cannot find package "github.com/urfave/cli" in any of:" is very bad though... 06:30 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 06:35 < e4xit> I am having a bit more luck too, got a bit further but I think my PATH is slightly messed up 06:38 < Talkless> e4xit: it worked after second "make" (https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1256#issuecomment-414318297) 06:38 < Talkless> e4xit: I have latest lnd running now 06:38 < Talkless> maybe "git pull" is not the best way for upgrading go packages? Maybe some go tool is needed for that? 06:39 < Talkless> e4xit: I do it like this (Debian Stretch): export GOPATH=/home/lnd/lnd.go; export GOROOT=/usr/lib/go-1.10; export PATH=${GOROOT}/bin:${GOPATH}/bin:$PATH 06:42 < e4xit> It seemed to overwrite my lnd.conf (in .lnd) so I have to restore that, but now that i've done this lnd seems not to be using it!? (at least it is informing me that bitcoin.active must be 1, which it is in my conf) 06:44 < molz> e4xit, delete "vendor" 06:44 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@198.211.112.88] has joined #lnd 06:44 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@198.211.112.88] has quit [Changing host] 06:44 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 06:44 < Talkless> molz: does not specifying --local_amt on openchannel means it will use all funds? (default: 0 whatever that means) 06:45 < molz> what do you mean? 06:45 < Talkless> --local_amt value the number of satoshis the wallet should commit to the channel (default: 0) 06:45 < Talkless> defaukt: 0 ? 06:45 < e4xit> how can I specify lnd to use specifig config file? It is obviosuly not using my (previously working) lnd.conf now 06:46 < Talkless> e4xit: maybe you are launching lnd with different user? 06:46 < molz> Talkless, not sure but im not concerned about it 06:46 < Talkless> it searches in $HOME/.lnd/lnd.conf I believe 06:47 < e4xit> well that woudl be working if it was doing that ;) I have bitcoin.active=1 in the [Bitcoin] section there, but lnd still won't start saying that bitcoin.active (or litecoin.active) need to be specified 06:49 < Talkless> e4xit: you can monitor wher lnd searches it's config file 06:49 < Talkless> with sysdig 06:50 < Talkless> e4xit: sysdig "proc.name = lnd and evt.args contains lnd.conf" 06:50 < Talkless> (install sysdig beforehand) 06:51 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 06:53 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 06:55 < e4xit> Talkless what opetions do I used with sysdig to see that 06:55 < Talkless> [16:50] e4xit: sysdig "proc.name = lnd and evt.args contains lnd.conf" 06:56 < e4xit> Thanks, worked perfectly and lnd was indeed opening the conf file... 06:56 < e4xit> still nto working though 06:58 < Talkless> uhm 06:59 < e4xit> ya 06:59 < e4xit> literally the same lnd.conf that was working right before I did an update 07:00 < Talkless> I didn't change anything, though my last commit was only 4 dayse old 07:00 < Talkless> e4xit: how old was yours? 07:00 < Talkless> maybe you used vanilla 0.4.2 ? 07:02 < Talkless> e4xit: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9091813 that's how my Bitcoin* looks 07:02 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etmtvhdlsgghwyta] has joined #lnd 07:15 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 07:16 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:17 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:18 < Talkless> e4xit: try sysdig "proc.name = lnd and fd.filename = lnd.conf and evt.buffer contains bitcoin.active" 07:18 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 07:18 < Talkless> does it acutally reads that value 07:18 < e4xit> hmm ok 07:18 < e4xit> I am getting a new error now: "unable to load RPC credentials for bitcoind: please set all or none of bitcoind.rpcuser, bitcoind.rpcpass, bitcoind.zmqpubrawblock, bitcoind.zmqpubrawtx" 07:19 < e4xit> in my old config I used to have (only) "bitcoind.zmqpath=tcp://127.0.0.1:29000" but I have removed that and added the two individually specified zmq options but still getting same erro 07:19 < Talkless> e4xit: you have been using vannilal 0.4.2 07:20 < Talkless> you have to upgrade config 07:20 < Talkless> see my sysdig "proc.name = cat and fd.name contains lol and evt.buffer contains bitcoin.active" 07:20 < Talkless> also, delete debug-htlc line 07:20 < Talkless> if you had it. 07:20 < Talkless> oh sorry wrong paste 07:20 < Talkless> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9091813 07:20 < Talkless> you have to add two zmq settings in bitcoin.conf 07:21 < e4xit> Talkless it's not reading that line 07:21 < Talkless> e4xit: 07:21 < Talkless> zmqpubrawblock=tcp://127.0.0.1:28332 07:21 < Talkless> zmqpubrawtx=tcp://127.0.0.1:28333 07:21 < Talkless> this is inside bitcoin.conf 07:21 < e4xit> I thought both zmq had to have the same port 07:21 < Talkless> don't use zmqpath, use new: 07:21 < Talkless> bitcoind.zmqpubrawblock=tcp://127.0.0.1:28332 07:21 < Talkless> bitcoind.zmqpubrawtx=tcp://127.0.0.1:28333 07:22 < Talkless> e4xit: I believe this might have been true in proper 0.4.2 release, I had same issues. Current master works somechow differently. 07:22 < molz> e4xit, this has been changed a few days ago 07:22 < e4xit> doh 07:22 < e4xit> will try to seperate them then 07:23 < Talkless> e4xit: maybe they work on same port idk, but you have to use new options in lnd.conf 07:23 < Talkless> not zmqpath, but these two new. 07:23 < Veggen> no, need to be different ports. 07:24 < e4xit> boom 07:24 < Talkless> ok good to know Veggen 07:24 < e4xit> great success 07:24 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:24 < Talkless> e4xit: works? 07:24 < e4xit> thanks guys 07:24 < e4xit> yes 07:24 < Talkless> k 07:24 < Talkless> congrats 07:25 < e4xit> certainly wouldn't have been able to work that one out on my own :D 07:26 < Talkless> yeah it would be nice to have new proper lnd release with changelog'n'stuff 07:27 < molz> e4xit, here's the announcement on LND slack: https://s1.gifyu.com/images/PR-1566-merged.gif 07:28 < molz> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1566 07:28 < molz> Talkless, the development is going fast, changes happen just about every single day, just have to watch the repo 07:29 < molz> or get on slack or watch the bot bring you announcements on this slack 07:29 < Talkless> yeah but I mean 0.4.2 is so old and buggy... New release with documented changes would be nice. 07:29 < molz> er on this channel i meant 07:29 < molz> Talkless, documents are in the PRs 07:30 < Talkless> ugh, molz slack is too-ABSOLUTELY-PROPIERTARY for my taste... 07:30 < molz> Talkless, you can help to contribute, we don't have enough human power here 07:31 < molz> well don't really have to be on slack, just be in this channel will know enough what's going on 07:31 < Talkless> molz: I am contributing for people here to troubleshoot :)) . e4xit is second one in few days. Probably more incomming... 07:40 < Talkless> e4xit: for science, could you repeat that sysdig line `sysdig "proc.name = cat and fd.name contains lol and evt.buffer contains bitcoin.active"`, does it work now? Maybe filtering is wrong. 07:46 < molz> Talkless, yes you are... thanks :) we need all the help we can get :) 07:47 < molz> cool.. someone just put together some info for us: "The Lightning Times Issue #1 is out - a summary of what happened in the world of Lightning Network in the past week https://the-lightning-times.ongoodbits.com/2018/08/20/issue-1" 07:48 < molz> https://twitter.com/rannkarl/status/1031552491811471360 07:48 < e4xit> Talkless it did not see the parsing of that individual line 07:48 < Talkless> e4xit: this is after all was fixed too? 07:49 < Talkless> aww e4xit, there is a mistake, see "contains lol" :D 07:49 < Talkless> this was a test on my machine 07:49 < e4xit> yes 07:49 < e4xit> that would prob do it 07:49 < e4xit> haha 07:49 < Talkless> e4xit: this is the real: 07:49 < Talkless> sysdig "proc.name = lnd and fd.filename = lnd.conf and evt.buffer contains bitcoin.active" 07:50 < Talkless> I didn't press Ctrl + C enought :)) 07:50 < e4xit> do I need any quotes 07:50 < e4xit> oh I have it all now 07:51 < Talkless> e4xit: works? 07:51 < Talkless> molz: that's cool, thanks 07:51 < Talkless> subscribed 07:52 < e4xit> did not work again Im afraid Talkless 07:52 < e4xit> i used: sysdig "proc.name = lnd and fd.filename = lnd.conf and evt.buffer contains bitcoin.active" 07:52 < e4xit> including the quotation marks exactly 07:53 < e4xit> as sudo (as sysdig requires) 07:54 < Talkless> executed sysdig, restarted lnd, and no output? 07:54 < Talkless> you have to restart lnd so it would read that file again. 07:55 < Talkless> it worked for my "cat /tmp/lol" test case... 07:55 < e4xit> I closed lnd and terminated the screen 07:55 < e4xit> still, could have messed something up, but I think I might let lnd stabilise before trying again 07:55 < e4xit> been hammering it a bit this afternoon 07:57 < Talkless> ok e4xit whatever, I was just curious. 08:00 < e4xit> sry! 08:00 < e4xit> I will poss try again later and ping you again if it does show 08:02 -!- doml3_13333337 [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lnd 08:07 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:18 < Talkless> nevermind e4xit, I just remembered that I can try that myself :)) 08:26 < molz> i got bitcoin v0.17.0rc1 compiled as the backend for a testnet LND node, so far so good :D 08:27 < Talkless> whoah 08:28 < molz> https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.17.0rc1 09:03 -!- doml3_13333337 [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:04 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lnd 09:05 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:05 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #lnd 09:21 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #lnd 09:24 -!- itaseski [~itaseski@213.135.176.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:28 < waxwing> roasbeef, so what would you see as a viable coinjoin rpc call? let's assume that it's a situation as you say, with an external grpc caller handling the management of those tweaked keys. would it be possible to integrate such an rpc into lnd? 09:29 < waxwing> what i originally was thinking was something like an rpc call with parameter as the last step in the workflow, effectively. so that the end user doesn't have to do anything much really (since that can easily be automated, if it fits sane criteria) 09:30 < waxwing> but if it isn't really possible to do that, then i should think in a different direction. 09:36 -!- drrty [drrty@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/drrty] has joined #lnd 09:45 -!- Guest38458 [~tyn@104-56-112-203.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 09:49 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 10:17 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 10:35 -!- BB-Martino [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41 -!- BB-Martino [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has joined #lnd 10:41 -!- BB-Martino is now known as Guest6896 11:08 -!- itaseski [~itaseski@213.135.176.244] has joined #lnd 11:12 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:12 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 11:16 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #lnd 11:25 < molz> Talkless, have you seen this: https://medium.com/@ChaincodeLabs/chaincode-lightning-applications-residency-8537a1766e10 11:27 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:29 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30 < Talkless> molz: no 11:30 -!- Guest6896 [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:31 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #lnd 11:31 < Talkless> good to see they all share experiences 11:34 -!- BB-Martino [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has joined #lnd 11:35 < molz> yeap. i think that program is excellent 11:49 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-gsiykejyiktssnkk] has joined #lnd 11:49 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #1755: [WIP] Funding detect double spends (master...funding-detect-double-spends) https://git.io/fAJeI 11:49 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-gsiykejyiktssnkk] has left #lnd [] 12:15 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-72-54-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 12:27 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #lnd 12:37 -!- BB-Martino [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47 <@roasbeef> stevenroose: it's a static site 12:47 <@roasbeef> jekyll iirc 12:47 < waxwing> roasbeef, perhaps i should just look at PSBT and generalize to a "cosign" rpc rather than coinjoin, since i can't figure out what exactly will end up most useful about the above. Where would a PSBT serialize/deserialze set of functions most naturally sit do you think. i guess within btcd/btcsuite, but not sure where. 12:47 <@roasbeef> waxwing: i think the coinjoin rpc call would be pretty amazing, could like make it more generic, unless the tweaks (which I never understood the importance) of are strongly required 12:48 <@roasbeef> waxwing: this is the buliten board thing right? 12:48 < waxwing> roasbeef, ok; consider though, if you send a coinjoin to someone else without talking to them, how can you get a destination address for them? 12:48 <@roasbeef> would totally love to bring in coinjoin stuff, was more so saying that maybe it makes sense to start a bit smaller (like that rpc call) beofre things move to like a full blown matching engine, etc 12:49 < waxwing> it's only for that. i'm quite stuck on that idea (snicker), but unfortunately no one else seems to be so .. lol 12:49 <@roasbeef> waxwing: yeh for psbt, i'd add it to btcutil IMO 12:49 <@roasbeef> waxwing: getting a dest addr is where the tweak comes in? 12:50 < waxwing> yes only for that; unless there's another way you can get a destination that's unused, without ever contacting the recipient. 12:50 -!- BB-Martino [~martino@bitbargain.co.uk] has joined #lnd 12:50 -!- BB-Martino is now known as Guest30056 12:50 <@roasbeef> ahh gotcha, yeh that makes total sense then 12:51 <@roasbeef> end goal here is non-interactive-ish coin join right? 12:51 <@roasbeef> so assuming the whole bulliten board thing is figured out (possibly a mixnet would be cool for that? dunno if you've seen the katzenpost stuff), then it would feed into this RPC passively to execute joins given some budget? 12:51 <@roasbeef> in your model, (snicker) who pays for fees on the join? 12:51 < waxwing> yes i think it's fair to call it that, but it's not like i think other approaches are unworkable; what i like about that one is how little is needed to "add" it into a wallet. 12:51 < waxwing> yes it could be passive 12:52 <@roasbeef> mhmm, the change would be pretty minor 12:52 <@roasbeef> and all of a sudden ppl can coin join pretty easily 12:52 < waxwing> given market mechanics, i could imagine active participants may pay the bitcoin tx fee. conceivably either side could pay a market fee. 12:53 < waxwing> JM experience suggests to me that fees trend towards close to zero, not so much because one side doesn't do anything/take any risk, but because that work/risk is ameliorated by the privacy gains they make themselves. 12:53 <@roasbeef> so your ideal model has some joinmarket like mechaniscs still present? 12:53 < waxwing> but tbf, i think there's value in leaving a market mechanism open to exist. 12:53 <@roasbeef> iirc, belcher in the past reported something like high single digits in fee profit on his end 12:53 < waxwing> and the nice thing about this model is there's no real need to advertise prices. 12:53 <@roasbeef> mhmm 12:53 < waxwing> nah it's more like 1% per annum or even less; it's low. i guess it'll be the same for LN long term. 12:53 < waxwing> mainly hot wallet risk. 12:54 <@roasbeef> well have ppl even really reported these stats? could see why a source would be hard-ish to find 12:54 < waxwing> i think the return skews heavily with amount of coins committed to hot. for ~ obv reasons. 12:54 <@roasbeef> yeh that makes sense 12:54 < waxwing> roasbeef, no, that's a fair counterpoint, i pull it out of my posterior :) i think i talked to like 3/4 people max about it :) 12:54 <@roasbeef> how active is JM these days? iirc it's segwit only or something like that now? and there was some active attack that was like never _fully_ patched? 12:54 <@roasbeef> heh yeh just going off some irc log from belcher i recall way back 12:55 < waxwing> both correct. i did i think ~ 10 joins those last few days. i think it's a low level of activity, but it's for sure non-zero. 12:55 < waxwing> few = 3 i guess. 12:55 -!- math_ [~mario@p4FCB3FA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:55 <@roasbeef> there's a gui now also? like a primitive one? 12:56 < waxwing> well it's ok, but it's primitve mainly in the sense that it's only for linux. and only for Taker. it does actually support full sequences of joins and whatnot. 12:56 < waxwing> one of several limiting factors, though, is that JM is effectively full node only. 12:57 < waxwing> and the unpatched hole you mention is another - it's too easy to try to sybil. the difficulty of solving those kinds of problems is what concentrates my mind on non-interactivity. 12:57 <@roasbeef> is the attack on the maker side, or the taker side? 12:57 < waxwing> i think even if other problems were solved and the software were radically improved, stuff like that could still scupper it from going x10 or x100 in scale. 12:57 <@roasbeef> as depending on which, could have some sort of time locked bond model to gain entrace to the market even? 12:57 <@roasbeef> why _must_ it be full node only? 12:57 < waxwing> it doesn't have to be. 12:58 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58 < waxwing> i mean, if some bip157-y stuff was up and running. 12:58 <@roasbeef> just current design i guess? in the past I looked into adding btcwallet as abackend to JM, but at this point, would target lnd itself 12:58 <@roasbeef> yeee exactly 12:59 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59 < waxwing> i dunno, i'm kind of getting a bit lost now. i suppose what i'd really like to do is (a) add a coinjoin rpc (b) build some experimental side-app to try out a snicker style coinjoin then reassess, then probably try to create something more fully fleshed out with PSBT and maybe flexible enough to support other coinjoin models. 13:00 < waxwing> do you have a use-case for "co-signing" outside coinjoin? 13:00 -!- math_ [~mario@p4FCB3FA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 13:00 < waxwing> is hardware wallets realistic at some point in the future? 13:05 < waxwing> hmm yeah 15 in 3 days. that seems to be a steady-ish average. i'm 1 of 55 in the JM pit, i'd guess there's no more than 30-40 joins per day, although i'm not scanning the chain all the time so not sure. 13:06 <@roasbeef> yeh hardware wallets are def on the pipeline 13:06 <@roasbeef> depends really on if trezor/ledger etc embrace psbt or not 13:06 < waxwing> oh right. 13:06 < waxwing> i guess electrum will announce their own standard. maybe trezor will too :) 13:08 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 13:23 < waxwing> i guess the right name for such an rpc is `partialsign` 13:24 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 13:38 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etmtvhdlsgghwyta] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:55 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tcrwvvnxllvjplim] has joined #lnd 13:57 -!- Guest30056 is now known as BB-Martino 13:59 <@roasbeef> waxwing: mhm, with an optional tweak param 14:57 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a03:8600:1001:1032::1008] has joined #lnd 15:02 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 15:05 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 15:13 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 15:27 -!- peevsie [~peevsie@2604:2000:f18f:e300::2] has joined #lnd 15:29 -!- marijnfs_ [~smuxi@2a03:8600:1001:1032::1008] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:41 -!- itaseski [~itaseski@213.135.176.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:44 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 15:49 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is it this one: --neutrino.connect=127.0.0.1:18334 16:28 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 16:35 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-nbrjnucivdvpbyqs] has joined #lnd 16:35 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1724: exec git fetch before git checkout (master...exec-git-fetch-before-git-checkout) https://git.io/fNF4O 16:35 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-nbrjnucivdvpbyqs] has left #lnd [] 16:47 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 16:48 < molz> "[WRN] BTCN: Unable to fetch set of candidate checkpoints, trying again..." 17:03 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05 <@roasbeef> make sure connecting to the proper host+port etc 17:18 < molz> roasbeef, when i connect to the faucet it works for me with just this line: lnd --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.testnet --debuglevel=debug --bitcoin.node=neutrino --neutrino.connect=faucet.lightning.community 17:19 < molz> shouldn't it work the same if i replace the faucet with 'localhost' ? 17:19 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-172-241-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:23 < molz> well neutrino can open channels but i had to restart before the txs would broadcast.. then now the channels show up but 'active: false' and the other node is not offline, can't get neutrino channels to be "active: true", can't pay an invoice 17:24 < molz> closing all channels 17:35 <@roasbeef> yeh but you need to ensure the proper ports are up 17:36 <@roasbeef> may be the case that the remote node didn't accept or propagate them, as tehre's a trickle timer when you accept txns from other peers vs just over the RP Cinterface 17:36 <@roasbeef> there's no diff behavior w.r.t if it connects to a remote peer or not 17:42 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 18:43 -!- 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