--- Day changed Sat Sep 01 2018 00:02 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 00:07 -!- justJanne7 [~justJanne@zaq77197090.zaq.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 00:08 -!- justJanne7 [~justJanne@zaq77197090.zaq.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@pool-108-14-231-114.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 00:42 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 00:48 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:04 < Veggen> @CubicEarth: no, I think that'd had to be "earliest time LN was possible to run on mainnet". 01:05 < CubicEarth> Veggen: Yes, that fits my understanding. What I wrote might not have been clear though. 01:08 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:08 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 01:09 < CubicEarth> I was thinking if bitcoin core could adopt an RPC call "DoNotPrunePast" that accepted as input a block height... 01:09 < CubicEarth> it seems like both LND and C-lightning would easily be able to pass that parameter into bitcoind 01:10 < CubicEarth> and enable pruning to run without ever disposing of blocks the lightning nodes needed 01:15 < Veggen> honestly speaking, I'd guess this would be a static block? 01:15 < Veggen> maybe easier to make it configurable :) 01:16 < Veggen> (in config file) 01:18 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:18 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 01:19 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 01:31 < CubicEarth> Veggen: I was imagining that the lightning node would continuously update the value... so that as many blocks as possible could be pruned. 01:34 < Veggen> CubicEarth: not sure,but I do imagine it is at least *possible* to validate that a channel opening in a channel you learn about is backed by a valid tx. 01:35 < Veggen> ...so, how would you handle the case where suddenly you have a separate "lightning network", with fully formed channels, where one of them connects to your network? 01:36 < Veggen> for all we know, there might be a separate lightning network living somewhere since last year, that just hasn't got any channels to our network yet? 01:40 < CubicEarth> Veggen: I hadn't thought much about that, but I suppose in some situations you would need to download the chain again before interfacing with such a network? 01:43 < Veggen> uh. how would you know when you are interfaceing with such a network? it's just someone connecting a channel! 01:44 < Veggen> can happen in this very moment, and we won't even notice unless we look at a visualizer. 01:44 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 01:46 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:46 < CubicEarth> But each node only needs to be concerned with the validity of the open channels it has... does it not? 01:47 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 01:59 < Veggen> well. not sure. 01:59 < Veggen> I am of "the more you validate, the better the coin is" school. 02:00 < Veggen> bitcoin gets its value from being validatable, and the more people who do it, the more we prove it is. 02:10 < Veggen> CubicEarth: one of the FUD-concerns about LN is that it can be fractional reserve. 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Any plans to brake backward compatibility? 19:47 < molz> i don't think so but idk for sure 19:47 < molz> the devs are going to have RC2 soon with many bug fixes 19:47 < molz> and then we'll run and test it again 19:48 < molz> if your lnd node is still working fine, i would wait for the stable release 19:49 < molz> currently i'm run 0.5 only on testnet 19:49 < molz> running* 20:57 < lndbot> The macaroons move and lncli has new flags 21:23 -!- Styils [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 21:26 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 22:39 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 23:53 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:55 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd