--- Day changed Mon Sep 10 2018 00:03 -!- EagleTM [~hab@x4e37bc9e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 00:14 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has joined #lnd 00:33 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 00:58 < EagleTM> i have a number of peers which give "connection refused" on port 9735 (from all sorts of IP so it's likely not banned). Is this a known bug, possibly in other implementations? 01:05 -!- lndbot1 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 01:22 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@158.64.79.8] has joined #lnd 01:45 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gaderqqqbejdnsta] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:04 < molz> lndnub, bitcoin 0.17 doesn't have a stable release yet 03:05 < molz> and if you compile it make sure you also compile zmq with it 03:06 < molz> EagleTM, probably your node is trying to connect to nodes that are offline 03:11 -!- jpe [~jp@fnord.cryptophone.de] has joined #lnd 03:13 -!- ConTa [uid318112@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgmwghjvldtxzwgm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:13 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 03:38 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:53 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 < waxwing> roasbeef, yeah, in theory you can use the KeyRing interface and call DeriveKey using a key descriptor which is just a pubkey, but, is my memory faulty, or when we last discussed this didn't it turn out that the keydescriptor didn't work like that (using a pubkey)? i'll check the logs. 03:59 < waxwing> ah no that was to do specifically with channel close summaries. anyway thanks, should be interesting to try this out :) 04:05 -!- phm87 [~phm87@cust-18-196-109-94.dyn.as47377.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09 -!- phm87 [~phm87@cust-226-138-109-94.dyn.as47377.net] has joined #lnd 04:13 < waxwing> oh, huh yeah that was the problem: DeriveKey in the KeyRing interfaces takes a KeyLocator as argument, which is fine if you want to go from key derivation to key, but i want something like (as i understand) is in Core: that a lookup is stored, so when you look at a utxo or scriptpubkey, you can retrieve all the relevant details about it from the wallet: 04:14 < waxwing> things like pubkey, redeem script, and particularly, bip32 path (that last is part of what PSBT is about, it's especially important for HW wallets e.g., I think) 04:17 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@71.46.110.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:35 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@71.46.110.193] has joined #lnd 04:58 < lndbot> test 04:59 < lndbot> @bvu the bridge is not working properly again, IRC channel can't see text from the slack 04:59 < molz> oops 04:59 < lndbot> oops nvm it's working 05:00 < molz> for some reason alexbosworth's text didn't show up here 05:04 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-ntkgpwvfolekpxnh] has joined #lnd 05:04 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] tanx opened pull request #1873: Set MOAR fees due to testnet spam (temp-testnet-fee-estimation...temp-testnet-fee-estimation-MOAR) https://git.io/fAVem 05:04 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-ntkgpwvfolekpxnh] has left #lnd [] 05:30 < EagleTM> molz: no, the thing is they specifically give "connection refused" right away - whereas offline nodes just time out connection wise 05:31 < EagleTM> I'd guess it's some bug where you need to restart the daemon for it to be able to accept connections again. just not sure if it's lighting-c or older lnd 05:34 < molz> EagleTM, i've seen "connection refused" very often, so used to it that i don't pay attention to it 05:35 < molz> you can try manually to connect to those nodes to find out too 05:38 < EagleTM> yes, i've wondered - there is no good reason why they should refuse a connection 05:39 < molz> because they're zombies or they're down :P 05:40 < EagleTM> there are some well known nodes amongst it, like lightingspin and so forth. If the daemon had crashed it'd time out (like when you telnet to a port that isn't open) 05:45 < Veggen> no, if daemon has crashed usually you get connction refused. 05:46 < Veggen> if machine has crashed, you'll usually get a timeout. 05:51 < waxwing> i heard the next James Bond movie will end with a race to close a lightning channel before the timer runs out. 05:59 < EagleTM> Veggen: OK, yes i see. So the question would be why is the daemon servicing LN down so often and is this usually lightning-c or lnd counterparts. 06:01 < molz> EagleTM, we have a lot people wanting to try out LN with whatever hardware they have 06:02 < molz> and a lot people who had never run a bitcoin node before 06:12 < EagleTM> yes, i get that and I usually ignore (aka grep -v) nodes which are enduser clients with low sums commited but nodes with 0.5 - 2 BTC offline looks like systematic errors 06:13 < Veggen> there was a few crash bugs recently, was there not? 06:18 < molz> EagleTM, there're systemic issues and there're noobusers issues 06:36 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-hyfiiliifogsyvqx] has joined #lnd 06:36 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] joostjager opened pull request #1875: rpc+contractcourt: merge the contractResolver state into the pendingchannels RPC response [DO NOT REVIEW] (master...resolverstate) https://git.io/fAVIX 06:36 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-hyfiiliifogsyvqx] has left #lnd [] 06:36 < rk3y> hi there, is any other LN-Mainnet Explorer available than lnmainnet.gaben? 06:40 < EagleTM> There's 1ML.com but not really an explorer i guess 06:46 < molz> cool.. another big node just opened a channel to my node.. let's see how long this channel is going to stay active.. 06:54 < rk3y> EagleTM: yes thats the only one left. But they dont have the network diagram nor a JSON object with all current nodes 06:54 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@71.46.110.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:57 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 07:09 < molz> rk3y, roasbeef has been saying that "explorers are NOT authoritative" 07:10 < molz> so don't count on any explorer to tell you anything, none of them can see EVERY node on the network 07:11 < rk3y> thanks. sure they are not reliable. But the deliver a satisfactory chunk of JSON data I once used for my custom auto pilot 07:23 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@75.114.234.144] has joined #lnd 07:28 < lndnub> molz: i consider anything to have a tag to be fairly stable.. not sure how stable builds are defined.. maybe you could shed some light 07:37 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akkzrtmbatotyzog] has joined #lnd 07:38 < molz> lndnub, bitcoin RC versions released for public testing until all bugs are squashed, currently v0.17 is at RC3, so if no bugs are found then sure it'll become a stable release 07:43 < lndnub> molz: ok.. so in other words.. if it has "rc"/"release candidate" it's not official stable.. but if it's tagged as just a version.. it was found to be stable after testing. which would mean the last stable build was 0.16.2? 07:44 < lndnub> im guessing that's what rc stands for? 07:44 < molz> yes 07:45 < lndnub> thank you 07:45 < EagleTM> i have yet to encounter bitcoin core (bitcoind) RC releases which are not stable. Usually just some minor things that get fixed 07:46 -!- asoltys [~adam@104.198.96.115] has joined #lnd 07:46 < EagleTM> but unless there is some urgent feature it'S usually convenient to just wait for the regular release 07:47 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] halseth opened pull request #96: Make chain service API expose best block as min(block header, filter header) (master...best-snapshot) https://git.io/fAVZS 07:49 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 07:51 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:11 < molz> EagleTM, i've compiled and run them on testnet 08:12 < molz> i've noticed 0.17 can't read rpcport on bitcoin.conf (windows version, not sure if this is the same with linux) 08:13 < molz> so like when i start it and want it to run on a different port than the default ports, it won't unless i run it with the arg at the start or put it in the shortcut 08:16 < EagleTM> interesting, maybe let #bitcoin-core-dev know 08:36 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:36 -!- ocnlnnode [8067f411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.103.244.17] has joined #lnd 08:41 < molz> i remember the first RC for 0.16 kept crashing, so i don't wait until they crash and say they're not stable :P 08:41 < ocnlnnode> hello, i had a failed payment that is being returned. it went through stage 1 (im not sure how many blocks that took) now it is on stage 2 (1700 blocks remaining). The channel is also being force closed. (1690 blocks remaining). I am worried that the blocks_til_maturity for the channel is before the HTLC.. does that matter at all? 08:42 < ocnlnnode> also, can anyone explain then 'stages'? 08:43 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 08:57 < molz> ocnlnnode, do you have your coin on stage2 ? 08:58 < molz> you can check 'listchaintxns' to see if your coin is back in your wallet 09:03 < ocnlnnode> hi molz, i dont understand the stages at all. but there does not appear to be any onchain tx associated with the amount in the htlc that is on stage 2 09:04 < ocnlnnode> should there be? 09:09 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@158.64.79.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:14 < molz> well the timelock has to pass before the stage2 gets confirmed 09:15 < ocnlnnode> do you know what the stages mean? 09:15 < ocnlnnode> so stage 1 was confirmed... but what did tha do? 09:15 < ocnlnnode> stage 2 is ~1700 blocks until maturity 09:16 < molz> i understand this vaguely, wait for roasbeef to explain, i'm afraid i might say something wrong here 09:17 < molz> ocnlnnode, hm.. is the blocks in negative number? 09:17 < ocnlnnode> ok. thanks 09:23 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 09:26 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20 -!- BTCSocialist_ [3307c31e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.51.7.195.30] has joined #lnd 10:23 < BTCSocialist_> How many channels and how much liquidity would people recommend for recieving payments on a full node? ie without having a channel with my node folks can route to it most of the time 10:23 -!- jpe [~jp@fnord.cryptophone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28 -!- jpe [~jp@fnord.cryptophone.de] has joined #lnd 10:34 -!- EagleTM [~hab@x4e37bc9e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:36 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36 < waxwing> huh, have to concur that spew.Sdump really is amazing. can handle basically any garbage thrown at it :) 10:38 < lndbot> More than number of channels you want high quality channels and balanced channels 10:43 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 10:47 < BTCSocialist_> I have 4 high quality channels (ACINQ, LIGHTNING, fairly.cheap) with $5ish on each, but the my node is still struggling to make payments unless there is a direct channel. 10:48 < lndbot> Are you using LND to make payments? 10:50 < BTCSocialist_> Yes LND 10:50 < lndbot> You could try using sendtoroute to specify a route if you know there is one 10:51 < BTCSocialist_> I just wondered if there is a magic number of open channels to aim for? 10:52 < lndbot> In practice there are some changes needed to routing so right now more channels can actually increase your failure rates due to it attempting channels that are going to fail 10:53 < BTCSocialist_> Will try fiddling with sendtoroute, thx 10:56 -!- ocnlnnode [8067f411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.103.244.17] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56 < lndbot> Are you using lncli? 11:04 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-lfgirouhoqvwjeqr] has joined #lnd 11:04 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #1877: [integration tests] Fix flake in persistent connection pruning test (master...garbage-collect-link-nodes) https://git.io/fAVDa 11:04 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-lfgirouhoqvwjeqr] has left #lnd [] 11:17 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akkzrtmbatotyzog] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:26 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 11:44 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 11:49 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 12:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:10 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@2001:7e8:ccac:b900:e821:8455:cb2d:876b] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- nehan [~nehan@14.80.229.35.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:11 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 12:16 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:17 -!- jamesob [~james@static-100-38-11-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:17 -!- jamesob [uid180710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwfafqwclvfigtow] has joined #lnd 12:18 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 12:18 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:18 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 12:19 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 12:20 -!- kokoska69 [d5af2682@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.175.38.130] has joined #lnd 12:21 -!- kokoska69 [d5af2682@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.175.38.130] has quit [Client Quit] 12:28 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 12:29 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@2001:7e8:ccac:b900:e821:8455:cb2d:876b] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:32 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 12:55 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@2001:7e8:ccac:b900:9d40:74dc:cfa5:55b7] has joined #lnd 13:02 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@77.119.129.88.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 13:04 <@roasbeef> waxwing: that's been fixed now, at least that it stores the prior values now 13:05 <@roasbeef> waxwing: you can do this as well, as in we have the info for it, but it isn't expose fully yet, what's your use case? if you're within lnd its accessible fwiw 13:06 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@77.119.129.88.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:06 < waxwing> roasbeef, oh, i see. well not a personal use case, just trying to fulfil the functionality of PSBT (fill out the bip32 derivation fields). afaik it's mainly useful for HW wallets, possibly other things. 13:10 <@roasbeef> what 13:10 <@roasbeef> what's needed for that? 13:10 <@roasbeef> isn't being able to sign with an arbitrary key enough? 13:10 <@roasbeef> or this is shared signing between distinct processes that are backed by the same wallet? 13:11 < waxwing> i *think* the idea is just that you prepare the PSBT in software and pass it to HW, so that's why the path is useful. but, hmm, i haven't really thought about this carefully, should read the BIP again, i think it mentions the use case. 13:12 < waxwing> or perhaps multisig, with xpubs, that kind of case? 13:13 <@roasbeef> ah yeh, check out some of these methods https://godoc.org/github.com/btcsuite/btcwallet/waddrmgr 13:13 < lndbot> I implemented my psbt signer to take on signing with no bip32 keys but it’s not in the examples 13:14 < waxwing> alex - "take on signing" means, just do signing, or? 13:14 < waxwing> are you just saying you've implemented without the paths being used? i think that's fine afaict 13:14 <@roasbeef> in thie case someone else would tell _you_ which path to use for signing? 13:15 <@roasbeef> i'm missing a step somewhere here lol 13:15 < waxwing> heh 13:15 < waxwing> what about the hardware case, doesn't it make sense there? software prepares and knows the path, then hardware derives the privkey from it? 13:16 <@roasbeef> yep, how's lnd come in here? to get the path for an address? 13:16 <@roasbeef> why not just give it the addr to have it look it up itself? 13:17 < waxwing> have the HW look up the key from address? hmm, dunno, never really thought much about how it works. currently the field is 13:17 < waxwing> where ID is just a number 0x06 to indicate bip32 derivation 13:17 <@roasbeef> ok, so this isn't lnd specific then? just about a psbt interface potentially? 13:17 < waxwing> this is part of the standard, yes 13:17 <@roasbeef> yeh from what i've seen most of them take the path there 13:18 < lndbot> I implemented the signing step to just directly take some wif and not need the bip32 paths 13:18 < waxwing> the way it's written it's somehow intended that one party (the Updater) adds these 0x06 fields and then some other (Signer role) can be doing the signing. Obviously it's fine if one party is both updater and signer. 13:18 < waxwing> and yes alex i agree it's not a problem to not use it. 13:19 < waxwing> can alex see what i write here? 13:19 < waxwing> so in short roasbeef i don't hvae a use-case and i'm also slightly unclear how it'd be used, but i thought it was mainly for HW wallets, possibly also for multisig (perhaps sanity checking?) 13:22 < waxwing> these fields can also be appended to outputs, i would presume that's useful in a similar way because the HW wallet can check it owns it easily. 13:24 < lndbot> I can see it 13:25 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@2001:7e8:ccac:b900:9d40:74dc:cfa5:55b7] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30 < waxwing> heh, i just opened a window with achow101 and realised i already asked him a closely related Q a while back; i was asking why have the pubkey *as well as* the derivation here. 13:31 < waxwing> the answer is it may be possible for the signer to just use the pubkey itself, also it aligns with the fact that psbt keys have to be unique. 13:32 < waxwing> re why the derivation path, i suggested it was to do with crossing an airgap and he didn't disagree, but not sure, i may well be missing things. going back to read some old stuff. 13:35 < waxwing> answer from him is yes, that, plus any situation where signer is 'dumb' (code is restricted/limited for e.g. security) 13:38 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-apbvijwlkiqzznqh] has joined #lnd 13:38 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] davidknezic opened pull request #1878: release: Add ARMv6 platform to release.sh (master...release-armv6) https://git.io/fAVjB 13:38 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-apbvijwlkiqzznqh] has left #lnd [] 13:41 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:43 < molz> davidknezic! 14:03 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 14:15 -!- valwal [~quassel@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 14:15 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 14:22 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30 <@roasbeef> ok i prob need to actually read the psbt BIP then I can actually make intelligent comments lol 14:31 < waxwing> roasbeef, actually i was wrong about that, the BIP doesn't really discuss it. 14:32 <@roasbeef> well the roles I guess, i don't under stand the roles and who does what, and what they need to provide/recv 14:32 < lndbot> Is it supposed to cover non hardened bip32 paths? I didn’t see any test vectors for that 14:34 < booyah> I like how roasbeef leader is with us in IRC master race 14:34 < booyah> while others comment from peasant's slack via a bot :P 14:37 < lndbot> someone needs to kick that weirdo on IRC, how dare he! 14:39 < waxwing> alex, i thought it was supposed to, but good question, yeah i don't remember seeing non-hardened in tests. 14:42 < waxwing> well, psbt_wallet_tests includes non-hardened paths, i mean there's no problem with it i guess 14:42 < waxwing> (in Core i mean) 14:49 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 15:03 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-052-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:09 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 15:11 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lnd 15:18 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