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03:23 < queip> either your entire sys/hdd is encrypted, or you will be rekt anyway when comp is stolen 03:23 -!- EodiV [~EodiV@41.223.152.134] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 03:32 -!- EodiV [~EodiV@41.223.152.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:42 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uokvxcvzuogwzjvp] has joined #lnd 03:49 -!- purrdetaiZ [~purrdeta@186.14.138.112] has joined #lnd 03:56 -!- purrdetaiZ [~purrdeta@186.14.138.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33 -!- aliovwF [~aliov@195-138-82-46.client-ip.tenet.odessa.ua] has joined #lnd 04:34 -!- aliovwF [~aliov@195-138-82-46.client-ip.tenet.odessa.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37 -!- RebelCoder [~RebelCode@ppp-124-120-85-34.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lnd 04:42 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:43 -!- RebelCoder [~RebelCode@ppp-124-120-85-34.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 04:48 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:53 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 04:59 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:19 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 05:28 -!- GunfighterJdE [~Gunfighte@113.222.40.203] has joined #lnd 05:32 -!- GunfighterJdE [~Gunfighte@113.222.40.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:46 -!- endpoint_davidXM [~endpoint_@121-83-5-206f1.hyg2.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 05:48 -!- endpoint_davidXM [~endpoint_@121-83-5-206f1.hyg2.eonet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 < e4xit> queip: agree, it does also make restarts and stuff pretty annoying as it doesn't work automatically. IIRC it's something about not having a seed to restore from though if you lose your wallet data and therefore you lose all your channel balance (sure someone will correct me if I am wrong) 06:15 -!- jimmymow [~jimmymow@205.178.78.234] has joined #lnd 06:25 -!- jimmymow [~jimmymow@205.178.78.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:03 -!- Beast [~quassel@59.6.64.209] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 07:03 -!- Beast [~quassel@59.6.64.209] has joined #lnd 07:17 -!- tcoppiKX [~tcoppi@host92-103-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lnd 07:19 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 07:21 -!- tcoppiKX [~tcoppi@host92-103-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 07:36 < lndbot> It's relatively easy to automatically unlock 07:39 < molz> justin, can you show them 07:42 < lndbot> https://api.lightning.community/#unlockwallet 07:42 < lndbot> pretty straightforward 07:42 -!- cltrbreak_MAD2 [~ctrlbreak@142.162.20.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@142.162.20.53] has joined #lnd 07:50 -!- Deadlyelder [~textual@158.64.79.7] has joined #lnd 07:59 -!- jimmymow [~jimmymow@205.178.78.234] has joined #lnd 08:01 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping 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still wants to have the seed 19:41 <@roasbeef> set all zeroes 19:41 <@roasbeef> or something for the password 19:41 < molz> roasbeef, is there a reason not to allow them just press ENTER as the pw? 19:41 <@roasbeef> some pass is better than no pass 19:42 <@roasbeef> idk does it _really_ add that much friction? 19:42 <@roasbeef> would ppl make the same reqeust for their wallet.dat? 19:42 < molz> roasbeef, some of these people don't want pw so their node can restart by the system automatically 19:42 <@roasbeef> for us you need to enter on start up, for that it's even before you do certain requests 19:42 <@roasbeef> yeh but they can script that pretty easily 19:42 <@roasbeef> we have multple ways you can access teh RPC interface 19:42 < molz> what if they don't know how to script it 19:43 <@roasbeef> welp, guess they gotta learn for now lol 19:43 < lndbot> Probably the people who should use it 19:44 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46 < lndbot> I feel like it should go further, that an outside decrypt key should be used 19:46 < molz> roasbeef, is it because it's just impossible to allow the pw to be bypassed? 19:48 <@roasbeef> no 19:48 < molz> you know they wouldn't believe me when i told them "I don't know", and then someone else whispered to their ear "ignore the defensive and go make a pr to expose the seed" like some crazy conspiracist saying there's a conspiracy you don't allow them to run a node without a pw 19:48 <@roasbeef> if they reaaaaly wanted to, they can easily re-compile and remove that check 19:48 <@roasbeef> atm we require it to be 8 chars in length 19:48 <@roasbeef> we can just remove that, which would allow them to hit "enter" 19:48 <@roasbeef> molz: lmaoo 19:49 < molz> oh yes roasbeef i guess you don't believe me either but i've had to deal with crazies coming from the other slack 19:55 -!- rhavar [uid237883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzvfcsmrwwwhuyfe] has joined #lnd 20:36 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@pool-108-14-231-114.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 20:47 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has joined #lnd 21:00 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 21:28 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has joined #lnd 21:31 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has joined #lnd 21:35 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:49 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 22:10 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has joined #lnd 22:15 -!- thomasa__ [~thomasand@172.83.40.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:30 < lndbot> When I said not to worry about somebody getting defensive about very reasonable questions he was posing before committing code changes, I did not have any conspiracy in mind. Instead, I thought it better to move past the apparent defensiveness that popped up when he asked why the decision was made to hide the seed. 22:49 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@pool-108-14-231-114.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 22:51 -!- wkatsu [~katsu@2409:13:1200:d200:89b7:8614:b775:8519] has joined #lnd 23:05 < molz> r251, look, there was no defensiveness, only a bit frustration that after vegard already told him, he still kept asking, then someone told me in pm the guy was trolling, at the same time i tried to explain to him and suggested him to submit a PR, and we were done with the convo, but you had to tell him on the side stuff that I didn't appreciate, but i really don't care. Fine by me if you felt you could add stuff "to be helful" but we were actually done with 23:05 < molz> the topic at the time. 23:35 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 23:44 -!- machasm [c4345415@gateway/web/freenode/ip.196.52.84.21] has joined #lnd 23:45 < machasm> can anyone help with a question on withdrawing funds on chain please? 23:45 < machasm> After I close all channels and wait for the funds to return 23:45 < machasm> before I can send the sendcoins command 23:46 < machasm> my node establishes new channels and spends the amount in my wallet 23:46 < machasm> Any ideas how I can stop new channels opening? 23:52 < wpaulino> machasm: turn autopilot off