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(master...fix-docker-environment-mainnet-bug) https://git.io/fpERj 10:09 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-xmtxifatlvkextem] has left #lnd [] 10:09 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 < tuxx> lndbot: i see.. btcd seems to need alot more time syncing than bitcoind 10:10 < tuxx> alexbosworth: but yea.. --assumevalid wld be nice 10:11 < lndbot> Bitcoin Core also has a way that you can assign a lot of memory to the UTXO set cache and that really makes it go quickly 10:11 < tuxx> why do you seem to opt for btcd? 10:11 < tuxx> because its go? :) 10:12 < lndbot> Why do you say I opt for btcd? 10:12 < lndbot> I use btcd in testing because it’s easier for debugging 10:14 < tuxx> lndbot: well the default start scripts in the docker/ folder were btcd.. 10:14 < tuxx> but maybe its just a wrong impression... 10:15 < lndbot> You can run using Bitcoin Core as a backend 10:15 < tuxx> i know 10:15 < tuxx> https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app 10:15 < tuxx> installation guide: step 1 install lnd, step 2 install btcd 10:15 < lndbot> btcd has features for testing like the simnet and Neutrino support 10:15 < tuxx> lndbot: ah no simnet for bitcoin core? 10:15 < lndbot> No, and you need Neutrino for the lite-wallet 10:16 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #lnd 10:17 < tuxx> alexbosworth: why are you talking through a bot? its connected to slack or something like that? 10:17 < lndbot> Yeah I’m on Slac 10:18 < tuxx> horrid 10:18 < tuxx> i dont like slack.. i cant be as mean to people as on irc... 10:18 < tuxx> because they have this little profile pic next to their nick and things like that 10:20 < molz> lol 10:33 < tuxx> molz: RTL sucks.. 10:33 < molz> oh? lol 10:33 < tuxx> molz: i think one would be best off patching the lightning labs app to support remote tcp connections 10:33 < molz> well the lightning-app is different 10:34 < molz> it's a desktop app 10:34 < molz> but similar features and specs are going to be built for an iphone app from what i know 10:35 < molz> tuxx, why do you think RTL sucks? 10:38 < tuxx> molz: well sure but it speaks to lnd and btcd.. 10:38 < tuxx> so you cld patch it to use connect to remotely to an lnd/btc 10:40 < tuxx> molz: dunno, rtl is having some issues... sometimes it works, other times it doesnt i am having trouble finding the issue 10:40 < tuxx> i mean there isnt even a tag or anything in the repo, i'm just building some random commit on master 10:40 < Talkless> what's RTL? 10:41 < molz> tuxx, what are you looking for exactly? a web interface to interact with your local lnd node? 10:43 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 10:45 < molz> tuxx, we also have this: https://github.com/mably/lncli-web 10:47 < molz> tuxx, check it out: https://lnd-testnet-1.mably.com/ (username: lnd, password: rocks) 10:48 < tuxx> molz: um yea i guess... just checking what the options are really... 10:48 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:49 < tuxx> molz: ah cool 10:53 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:57 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:00 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 11:12 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:20 < yope> hi there! I'm new here (lurking for a while), trying to learn about lnd innards... 11:21 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 11:26 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 11:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:34 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 11:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 11:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:35 < yope> Anyone can tell me if there are any other resources about the working of autopilot besides the source-code? 11:35 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has left #lnd [] 11:36 < Veggen> not really, I think. 11:37 < Veggen> work has started recently to improve autopilot, but until that and possibly more is merged, autopilot isn't really useful imho 11:37 < Veggen> sure, it'll create some random channels, but not in an intelligent way :) 11:38 < yope> I see... I have been trying it out, but right now it seems stuck. 11:39 < Veggen> what does/doesn't it do? 11:39 < yope> It created one channel (that took 2 days to complete), and then left resting funds in the wallet and does not seem to attempt any new channels... 11:39 < yope> Funds should be enough for 2 or 3 more channels... 11:40 < yope> Is there any way to see what the status of autopilot is? 11:40 < Veggen> what is autopilot.allocation is set to? 11:40 < Veggen> not really. work is ongoing to make it controllable by cli too :) 11:41 < yope> autopilot.allocation=0.6 11:41 < yope> Ah, cli functionality would be cool. 11:41 < Veggen> autopilot.allocation is the share (where 1 is all) of *total* funds that autopilot will spend before it stops creating new channels. 11:42 < yope> Ah... thanks for pointing that ou :) 11:42 < yope> *out 11:42 < Veggen> so if you have 1 btc in wallet, and 0.6 BTC in channels, autopilot won't create more channels- 11:43 < yope> Cool. So if I increase this to say... 0.85, I might get another new channel. 11:43 < Veggen> yup. 11:44 < yope> I read that it implements the barabasi-albert algorithm to select channel peers... is that working well already? 11:44 < Veggen> oh, I didn't check those things. 11:44 < Veggen> I only know that the time I tried it, it opened a channel to a backwater node with 2 other channels with only incoming liquidity, and *no* outgoing liquidity :) 11:45 < yope> I am very intrigued about the theory behind the peer selection strategies... sounds to me that one could probably write a whole thesis about this subject... 11:45 < Veggen> sure. 11:45 < Veggen> I think idea is to improve it greatly. 11:46 < Veggen> I am sure your ideas, if you have them, would be welcome. if you know stuff about such things :) 11:46 < yope> I see. I guess if people end up using autopilot, that would have huge implications about the overal quality of the network... 11:46 < Veggen> yup. if it is any good, that is. 11:47 < yope> Well, in theory such a feature should one day be much better at selecting peers than humans, don't you agree? 11:47 < Veggen> I agree. 11:48 < Veggen> humans are prone to do errors and miscalculations. 11:48 < yope> As for me, I am pretty clueless at where to open channels to... that's why I started playing with autopilot. 11:49 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-tegpsoozesazqrru] has joined #lnd 11:49 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #2338: github: add PR contribution checklist (master...pr-template) https://git.io/fpxSH 11:49 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-tegpsoozesazqrru] has left #lnd [] 11:50 < yope> I am just dipping my toes here really... no experience yet in go, but it will probably the next language I want to learn ;) 11:51 < yope> Thanks a lot Veggen! 11:51 < Veggen> no problem :) 11:52 < Veggen> hmm, I see contribution guides etc are getting much better these days... 11:54 < yope> You mean.. Roasbeef just committed a pull-request checklist? ;) 11:54 < Veggen> yah, been other things tool 11:58 < tuxx> yope: rust seems cooler 11:58 < tuxx> :) 11:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 12:00 < yope> Yeah, tuxx... heavily divided between rust and go actually :) 12:02 < yope> Reason for go is mainly because of lnd, btcd and other stuff I'd like to learn hacking on written in that language. Rust OTOH has more benefits for my daytime job... 12:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 12:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 12:06 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 12:09 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 12:13 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 12:14 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 12:17 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:23 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23 < yope> Thanks everybody for the warm welcome here... gotta go now. AFK. 12:24 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 12:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32 <@roasbeef> tuxx: lol you can add additional checkpoints 12:32 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 12:32 <@roasbeef> tuxx: oh for the app you don't need to install btcd? or do you want to do dev on the app? 12:33 <@roasbeef> tuxx: have you seen this issue? https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/issues/823 i can coach you thru it a bit 12:37 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:40 <@roasbeef> yope: go ftw! 12:52 < tuxx> roasbeef: yea no worries i already have lnd with bitcoind running ... in docker ofcourse :p 12:52 < tuxx> roasbeef: syncing is soo much faster with bitcoind 12:58 <@roasbeef> cool 12:59 <@roasbeef> tuxx: but you were looking to have the app be able to connect to a remote node? mainly your node 12:59 < tuxx> roasbeef: correct. 13:00 <@roasbeef> niiice, check out that issue above, outlines the steps to make that happen 13:01 < tuxx> roasbeef: i dont see anything about ui's in that link 13:01 <@roasbeef> the ui would stay the same, you'd just pass in args to start the app in a diff mode 13:01 -!- cjd [~user@2a01:e0a:149:fcb0:f8c2:e9ff:fe25:a09f] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:02 < tuxx> roasbeef: ah ok.. i thought the host is not parameterizable 13:03 < tuxx> roasbeef: 01:02 <@roasbeef> was going to maybe modify our app to allow you to connect to a remote node 13:03 < tuxx> wasnt that what you were implying yesterday? 13:05 <@roasbeef> it isn't atm, that issue makes it possilbe 13:05 <@roasbeef> as in you can't set the host rn 13:10 < tuxx> interdusting 13:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 13:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 13:28 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 13:31 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has joined #lnd 13:33 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has quit [Client Quit] 13:34 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has joined #lnd 13:34 < nflaig> Hey guys, 13:35 < nflaig> is it possible to use lnd without a UPnP supported device? I currently get the following error: Unable to discover a UPnP enabled device on the local network: context canceled 13:40 < wpaulino> nflaig: don't use the --nat flag 13:43 < lndbot> @roasbeef why do you prefer Go over Rust? 13:44 < molz> rust has memory leak issues like C? 13:44 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 13:46 < nflaig> @wpaulino thx for the help and while I am at it just for my understanding do I need to allow certain ports for lightning to work properly like it is with a Bitcoin full node? 13:46 < molz> neither of the nodes have to have open ports unless you want inbound connections 13:48 < molz> for bitcoind, if you open port 8333 (mainnet) then you'll allow others to connect to your bitcoind node, for lnd if you open port 9735 then you allow other Lightning nodes to connect to your lnd 13:49 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49 < molz> but if you don't open port 8333 your lnd node still can connect to the bitcoind (with proper config) and without port 9735 you still can connect and open channels to other lightning nodes 13:53 < nflaig> @molz thx for the clarification 13:56 < molz> np :) 13:57 < molz> i have a testnet lnd node on my laptop, no port opened, but i'm running it with autopilot, so far autopilot has opened 84 channels for this node 13:57 < lndbot> @moli memory leaks can still happen in Go I guess. I'm not very familiar with Go or Rust for that matter yet. It seems a lot simpler than malloc memory leaks in C. 13:58 < molz> yancy yea i don't know much either, only saw what people say in rust related channels 14:01 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has joined #lnd 14:04 < tuxx> molz 14:04 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04 < tuxx> molz: quite the opposite.. rust is very security focused.. 14:06 < tuxx> molz: but you do have so called "unsafe blocks" in which you can do nasty C-like stuff 14:06 < tuxx> but you should use them unless forced to 14:07 < molz> tuxx, should or shouldnot? 14:07 < tuxx> um shouldnt :) 14:07 < molz> :D 14:07 < tuxx> molz: when writing rust you learn alot about what people do wrong in C without thinking about it because it forces you to do stuff 14:09 < tuxx> can i just go to my local blockchain explorer check the latest block hash and then do ./bitcoind --assumevalid= ? 14:10 < molz> tuxx, i used to do that, it made the node sync really fast but on second thought i wouldn't do it again 14:11 < tuxx> but i mean... why not if the hash is trusted? 14:11 < molz> probably ok but idk 14:11 < tuxx> i see the little green lock in my browser :) 14:12 < molz> you put your trust in that particular node that you got the hash from? if it's your other node then maybe it's ok? 14:12 <@roasbeef> nflaig: it also support nat pmp, we try both of them and go with what works 14:13 <@roasbeef> tuxx: imo rust imposes too much cognitive burden on the author, which multiplies to the reader, you can use it to make some pretty nice libraries, but i find go scales out better to a wider array of coders, the language is smuuuch smaller 14:13 < tuxx> roasbeef: i'd guess rust is a bit more performant than go? 14:14 < tuxx> roasbeef: true.. it is very burdonsome at times 14:14 < tuxx> roasbeef: but its cool that you can call into C or call it from C.. like i wrote a kernel module in rust for SGX secure enclaves... dont think you can do that in go 14:15 <@roasbeef> yeh it's prob faster, but also has diff concurrency models, i don't think anything like the race condition detector exists for rust yet 14:15 <@roasbeef> you can call into or from C with go as well 14:15 < tuxx> roasbeef: oh ye? ok 14:15 <@roasbeef> may be a bit easier to do in rust w/ the package manager, but possible too 14:16 < tuxx> roasbeef: wld be cool to have bitcoin tx's signed in a secure enclave 14:16 < tuxx> i guess something like that probably already exists... 14:17 < lndbot> interesting: https://grokbase.com/p/gg/golang-nuts/152qpt6735/go-nuts-re-linux-kernel-module-in-go 14:17 < molz> tuxx you should join channel #rust-bitcoin 14:18 < molz> if you want to see how rust is being developed related to bitcoin and lightning 14:18 < molz> i still think Go is better :D 14:18 <@roasbeef> tuxx: idk if anyone has really even depolyed a production enclave yet 14:18 < tuxx> i dont think either are good or bad.. it always depends on the usecase 14:18 <@roasbeef> yeh they make diff tradeoffs 14:20 < lndbot> rust would be better I guess if there was a need for a lightning kernel module :) 14:20 < tuxx> disclaimer: i'm neither a rust fanboy nor very knowledgable in rust.. i've only briefly played around with it 14:22 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 14:25 < tuxx> regarding sgx.. its funny how i blindly trust hardware more than software.. 14:29 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30 < tuxx> ok my i7 doesnt support sgx.. so no point investigating further :) 14:31 < nflaig> is there a reason why lnd version 0.5.1-beta has no commit hash if I check with lnd --version? 14:40 <@roasbeef> gotta use the makefile 14:40 <@roasbeef> to have it include the commit hash 14:43 < tuxx> 9748 ? SLsl 114:11 /bitcoin-0.17.0/bin/bitcoind -rpcuser=devuser -rpcpassword==devpass -datadir=/data -txindex 14:43 < tuxx> shouldn't bitcoin overwrite its *argv[] if it allows setting passwords as parameters? :D 14:49 < tuxx> same goes for lnd... 14:49 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-182-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:53 < ekiro> Isn't moving funds from BTC to LND suppose to be instant? 14:53 < ekiro> Sure taking a while to confirm 14:53 < molz> no 14:53 < ekiro> Oh 14:53 < molz> if's an onchain tx like any onchain tx 14:53 < ekiro> I see I see 14:54 < tuxx> i've never understood how that works tbh.. :o 14:54 < ekiro> So I plan on opening up some channels. Any recommendations with whom 14:54 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #lnd 14:55 < ekiro> From my understanding you'd want a channel open to someone who has many connections? Probably Blockstream 14:55 < ekiro> And someone with a descent amount of funds 14:55 < ekiro> Im still kinda new to all this so I may have no idea what Im talking about. I just watched some youtube videos explaining how it works :D 14:57 < ekiro> But it sure is exciting :D 14:58 < ekiro> So I will open a payment channel with blockstream and place an order for their stickers from my fullnode. Gonna be my first lightning transaction. All through terminal. :D 14:58 < qubenix> ekiro: if you haven't seen this one, it's a really good vid on channel management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPIB6jt6ww. 15:00 < ekiro> thx 15:03 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 15:08 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:09 < ekiro> how long does it take to get a confirmation moving btc into lnd 15:09 < ekiro> on avg 15:09 < ekiro> my fee is 14.23 sat/B 15:09 < ekiro> been 30in, still 0 confirms 15:16 < tuxx> silly question.. what is neutrino mode exactly? 15:16 < tuxx> Neutrino is an experimental Bitcoin client... 15:16 < tuxx> just a different client? 15:18 <@roasbeef> so it's a light client 15:18 <@roasbeef> ekiro: nope 15:18 < tuxx> ah. 15:23 < ekiro> do i need to connect to a node inorder to pay someone? 15:25 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has joined #lnd 15:26 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 15:26 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 15:29 < ekiro> looks like i do as i got "payment_error": "unable to find a path to destination", 15:31 < molz> ekiro, so you sent coin from core wallet to lnd wallet and from there you opened a channel? 15:32 < ekiro> never opened a channel 15:32 < molz> ah ok 15:32 < ekiro> i assume i have to open a channel with blockstream 15:33 < ekiro> it does however list 5 peers under listpeers command 15:33 < molz> yes if you want to, and if blockstream lets you open a direct channel to it, do you have their URI? 15:33 < molz> let me check 15:33 < ekiro> I'll have to get it. They should include the URI with the invoice 15:33 < ekiro> kind of ridiculous 15:35 < ekiro> https://1ml.com/node/02f6725f9c1c40333b67faea92fd211c183050f28df32cac3f9d69685fe9665432 15:35 < ekiro> 030a7edba83a52414807aaf46f1c6efc6ff87994b6328d503a785a56c753648c57@35.193.213.82 15:35 < ekiro> right? 15:37 < ekiro> this whole channel thing makes things confusing and hard to operate out of the box 15:37 < ekiro> seriously needs to be simplified 15:38 < molz> this one: 02df5ffe895c778e10f7742a6c5b8a0cefbe9465df58b92fadeb883752c8107c8f@35.232.170.67:9735 15:39 < molz> you can see at the bottom of their site: https://store.blockstream.com/ 15:39 < molz> ekiro agreed 15:40 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 15:44 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49 <@roasbeef> ekiro: oh you have no channels? 15:49 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 15:49 <@roasbeef> yep working on making the experience simpler for lnd users 15:49 < molz> ekiro let's chat in here haha 15:50 < ekiro> back 15:50 < tuxx> autopilot has nothing to do with payment routing right? 15:50 < molz> that channel #blockstream-satellite is being cross- chained to several slacks and channels 15:51 <@roasbeef> tuxx: indirectly, it can help you set up channels to better be able to route 15:51 <@roasbeef> we're actively working on improving the system in time for our next major release and also some other mainnet drops 15:53 < ekiro> is 1 satoshi enough for opening a channel ? 15:55 < lndbot> If you have the cooperation of a miner 15:56 < tuxx> ...find a route in a mesh network seems like black magic to me.. 15:56 < lndbot> Miners will ignore small dust values normally 15:56 < tuxx> *finding 16:01 < ekiro> omg now i get another error adding the channel 16:01 < ekiro> lncli openchannel 02df5ffe895c778e10f7742a6c5b8a0cefbe9465df58b92fadeb883752c8107c8f@35.232.170.67:9735 242801 0 16:01 < ekiro> [lncli] unable to decode node public key: encoding/hex: invalid byte: U+0040 '@' 16:02 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 16:02 < lndbot> Remove the ip part 16:03 < lndbot> It’s not smart enough to ignore that 16:03 < ekiro> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = peer 02df5ffe895c778e10f7742a6c5b8a0cefbe9465df58b92fadeb883752c8107c8f is not online 16:04 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06 < wpaulino> ekiro: connect to them first with lncli connect 16:06 < ekiro> oh 16:06 < ekiro> i thought openchannel did the connecting part 16:07 < wpaulino> you can if you use the --connect flag to pass in the ip 16:07 < wpaulino> so lncli openchannel --connect 35.232.170.67:9735 02df5ffe895c778e10f7742a6c5b8a0cefbe9465df58b92fadeb883752c8107c8f 242801 0 16:08 < ekiro> Ok i connected 16:08 < ekiro> output was: 16:08 < ekiro> { 16:08 < ekiro> } 16:08 < ekiro> wtf that mean 16:08 < molz> it means you're connected, but yea that should be changed 16:09 < ekiro> totally 16:09 < ekiro> where can i post my enhancements/improvements? on their github? 16:09 < ekiro> because i have a lot of feedback after going through this experience for the first time. 16:09 < molz> on lnd github 16:09 < molz> oh you mean blockstream? 16:09 <@roasbeef> ekiro: lol it returns no error if you connect properly 16:10 < ekiro> that was part of it 16:10 <@roasbeef> it could say lke "connect: true" or something 16:10 <@roasbeef> it it failed, you'd get an error 16:10 < ekiro> connected! would be nice 16:10 < ekiro> or success 16:10 < molz> roasbeef, it should say "connected: " 16:12 <@roasbeef> yep both valid requestrs 16:13 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 16:14 < molz> something like this.. 16:14 < molz> $ lightning-cli connect 0338f57e4e20abf4d5c86b71b59e995ce4378e373b021a7b6f41dabb42d3aad069@ln.test.suredbits.com 16:14 < molz> { 16:14 < molz> "id": "0338f57e4e20abf4d5c86b71b59e995ce4378e373b021a7b6f41dabb42d3aad069" 16:14 < molz> } 16:15 < ekiro> yeah 16:15 < ekiro> the word success! or connected! woukd be super 16:15 < ekiro> or a checkmark 16:15 < ekiro> lol 16:15 < molz> lnd has a lot of cool stuff so little details are bypassed :P 16:15 < ekiro> anything that says it worked 16:15 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 16:16 < ekiro> now i got another problem 16:16 < ekiro> some of my funds dissapeared 16:17 <@roasbeef> well if you opened a chanenl, then the funds are there and not on chian 16:17 < ekiro> oh 16:17 < ekiro> lol 16:17 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 16:18 < ekiro> hmm 16:18 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:18 < ekiro> lncli openchannel 02df5ffe895c778e10f7742a6c5b8a0cefbe9465df58b92fadeb883752c8107c8f 242801 0 16:18 < ekiro> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = not enough witness outputs to create funding transaction, need 0.00242801 BTC only have 0.00110995 BTC available 16:18 <@roasbeef> need mo coins 16:18 < ekiro> But I had 0.00289396 BTC in the wallet 16:19 < ekiro> https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/cc33e461751c5a579eba22680b3bf8ac0b626c270f30d9fcfcfcad19cb2e57a4 16:19 <@roasbeef> transaction fees 16:19 <@roasbeef> also check the other commands, check out lncli -h 16:21 < tuxx> jez.. lightningapp -> 100mb... 16:21 < ekiro> "base_fee_msat": "1000", that mean the base fee is 1000sats? 16:21 < tuxx> another thing tha ti find slightly off-putting abt go 16:21 <@roasbeef> binary size? 16:22 < tuxx> well yea 16:22 < tuxx> i know you can dynamically link 16:22 <@roasbeef> pretty minor imo 16:22 <@roasbeef> static linking is nice though, makes it easier to cross compile as well 16:22 < tuxx> ./Lightning-linux-x86_64v0.3.3-alpha.AppImage 16:22 < tuxx> dlopen(): error loading libfuse.so.2 16:22 < tuxx> its 100mb and still doesnt have all dependencies? 16:22 < tuxx> :D 16:23 < tuxx> hmm looks fancy :) 16:23 < tuxx> roasbeef: i'm trying https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/issues/823 16:23 <@roasbeef> niiice 16:24 <@roasbeef> lemmie know if you have any qs 16:24 < tuxx> yea.. the macarons stuff.. is weird to me 16:24 < tuxx> its used for auth right? 16:24 < tuxx> i'm using bitcoind not btcd.. does it also use macaroons? 16:27 < ekiro> So gonna crack open a cold one once I get this first ln tx done. 16:27 < tuxx> not sure what to do with: --adminmacaroon=localpath.macaroon 16:28 <@roasbeef> bitcoind doesn' tuse macaroons 16:28 <@roasbeef> the macaroons are for lnd 16:28 <@roasbeef> the remote lnd will have a set of macaroons that will need to be passed to the app 16:29 <@roasbeef> by default we read them from the file system: https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/blob/d1802ce3b732db30056b0a8ae50daaf8b28fb8b6/public/grpc-client.js#L36 16:29 < tuxx> roasbeef: yea reading the macaroons.md in lnd 16:29 <@roasbeef> this change would instead detect that they're being passed on the commadn line an uuse that instead 16:30 < ekiro> if i disconnect from the channel i opened the funds I sent to it will be refunded right> 16:31 < tuxx> roasbeef: which "change"? 16:31 < tuxx> roasbeef: the parameter? 16:31 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 16:31 <@roasbeef> ekiro: no you need to close out the channel 16:31 <@roasbeef> tuxx: yeh adding it, as in if it's set, then we don't need to look on the filesystem to grab the macaroon 16:32 <@roasbeef> here we grab the cert from disk: https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/blob/d1802ce3b732db30056b0a8ae50daaf8b28fb8b6/public/grpc-client.js#L30 16:32 < tuxx> roasbeef: so i'm doing: ./lightning.app --remote_connect=true --bitcoin.mainnet --rpcserver=bouncy.pw:8080 --adminmacaroon=localpath.macaroon 16:32 <@roasbeef> if the other param is set, we'd just use that instead 16:32 <@roasbeef> also need the TLS cert, but yeh that looks correct 16:32 < tuxx> i [01:30:32.522] [error] Caught Error When Starting lnd: Error: loadConfig: The mainnet, testnet, regtest, and simnet params can't be used together -- choose one of the four 16:33 <@roasbeef> here's where localhost is hard coded: https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/blob/d1802ce3b732db30056b0a8ae50daaf8b28fb8b6/public/grpc-client.js#L90 16:33 <@roasbeef> oh these params don' texist atm 16:33 <@roasbeef> don't* 16:33 <@roasbeef> and the app hard codes in testnet right now, but if this is set, then it knows to use the remote node instea 16:33 <@roasbeef> d 16:33 < ekiro> how do i add more funds to a channel 16:34 < tuxx> roasbeef: i can use the precompiled release binary right? when i start it as suggested above i see the error i posted and the app opens but i only see the start splash screen 16:35 <@roasbeef> tuxx: yes, you get that since the app passes bitcoin.testnet already and you tried to pass mainnet 16:35 <@roasbeef> ekiro: tehre's something called splicing that will let you do that in the future 16:35 < tuxx> roasbeef: so no way of using mainnet with the release binary? 16:36 <@roasbeef> tuxx: no you can, the app passes one already, and you're trying to pass it again 16:36 < tuxx> i understand that, but whats the solution ? :D 16:36 < molz> oh tuxx is trying to compile that PR? 16:36 <@roasbeef> tuxx: lol to make the change described in the issue 16:36 < wpaulino> tuxx: that's part of the exercise :p 16:36 < ekiro> But I have funds stuck in a channel now which are not enough to complete payment for invoice. And apparently I do not have enough in my wallet. So I assume I need to add more funds to my wallet to cover the difference to pay the invoice. Correct? 16:37 < tuxx> roasbeef: ahh.. damn.. i misunderstood you earlier... 16:38 < tuxx> roasbeef: i thought you said that it already works... and i just need to pass the right params... but it requires code fixes... now i understand why you were referencing the code 24/7 :D 16:38 < ekiro> Somewhere along the way some fees ate up a lot of money. I had $10.20 send to my lightning wallet. And the invoice is $9. So in this process I lost about $1.20 in fees making 1 txn. 16:38 < ekiro> more than that 16:39 < tuxx> molz: something like that, yes 16:42 < molz> tuxx, wait, it's not a PR .. lol 16:44 < tuxx> yea i was very confused.. its an open ticket with a feature suggestion.. which requires a bit of implementation.. 16:45 < tuxx> unfortunately in js... but cant be that hard 16:46 < ekiro> Im gonna build such a sweet UI once i master all of these technicals and get a full understanding of the internals 16:46 <@roasbeef> well it's a ferature request 16:46 <@roasbeef> and outlines the steps there 16:47 < ekiro> I come from a graphic design background, and this hot mess needs it 16:48 <@roasbeef> kek 16:50 < molz> roasbeef, so your propose #823 is to connect the lightning-app to a remote live and running lnd node? 16:50 <@roasbeef> yeee 16:50 <@roasbeef> or it could even be local 16:50 < molz> roasbeef, wouldn't that mean two instances will be running one node? 16:50 < molz> can it corrupt the data? 16:50 <@roasbeef> no? the app is just an rpc client 16:50 <@roasbeef> it connects to the rpc of a lnd node, in this case, it would be remote 16:51 <@roasbeef> so the app wouldn't make its own loccal lnd in this state 16:51 <@roasbeef> it would connect to the remote one instead 16:51 < molz> roasbeef, ok but you can make payments from the app? 16:51 <@roasbeef> yeh you'd be able to 16:51 < tuxx> well sure.. it just speaks to a remote lnd instead of a local one 16:51 < tuxx> but i'm afraid i might have wasted roasbeefs time... 16:51 < tuxx> its freakin js 16:52 <@roasbeef> nah just a misunderstanding 16:52 <@roasbeef> lolol 16:52 <@roasbeef> yeh 16:52 < tuxx> i even fail to build it 16:52 < tuxx> npm/node are sich a bi*ch 16:52 < molz> but in my mind lnd is a live dynamic node that if i run it from two different locations at the same time, the data can be corrupted 16:53 <@roasbeef> it's a single instance 16:53 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 16:53 <@roasbeef> you could even have multiple apps connected to the same node 16:53 < molz> hm 16:53 < tuxx> molz: well the idea is to just use it as a ui head which speaks to via rpc to roasbeef.computer:8332 rather than 127.0.0.1:8332 16:54 < molz> ah yes 16:54 < molz> the app acts a gui like zap? 16:54 < molz> acts as a gui * 16:54 <@roasbeef> yeee 16:54 <@roasbeef> as it's just a UI for the RPC system 16:54 < tuxx> i mean it already is.. just that its speaking to 127.0.0.1 16:55 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has left #lnd [] 16:57 < molz> tuxx lightning-app has stuff hardcoded so it kinda froze my brain 16:58 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:59 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 17:01 < tuxx> https://pastebin.com/axg5uyFB 17:01 < tuxx> am i using the wrong node version? :o 17:01 <@roasbeef> I think so 17:02 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 17:02 < tuxx> thats usually the issue with this node stuff 17:02 < tuxx> do you publish your buildscripts ? 17:02 < tuxx> .travis.yml 17:03 < tuxx> but doesnt tell me much about the environment that its running in 17:04 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05 < tuxx> oh yea it does.. seems to build in docker using electronuserland/builder:wine 17:05 < molz> you don't have to build it, the release can be good enough right? 17:05 < tuxx> molz: well if i want to work on this feature request i best be able to build it :D 17:07 <@roasbeef> kek 17:07 <@roasbeef> i think you need 8+ 17:07 <@roasbeef> there're so many versinons of node it's hard 17:07 <@roasbeef> i'd uprade to 10 as that's what's in the travis config 17:08 < molz> tuxx, i can give you the guide for windows :D 17:09 < molz> easy to translate into linux :D 17:14 < tuxx> seems to be working with node:10 as in .tavis.yml 17:15 < ekiro> something seems to be eating up my money 17:15 < ekiro> first of all lncli walletbalance outputs the total in satoshis right? 17:17 <@roasbeef> yeh everything is satoshis 17:17 <@roasbeef> also lncli channelbalance 17:17 <@roasbeef> shoudl get familar with all the commands in lncli -h 17:17 < ekiro> ok 17:17 < ekiro> https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/ed41606c001aecd38837af5b6cdbb1a7c40559d4801188309e35d3ec8320fd14 17:18 < ekiro> 0.00540543 BTC 17:18 < ekiro> that means 540543 satoshis 17:18 < ekiro> right? 17:19 <@roasbeef> yeh 17:19 <@roasbeef> it confirmed recently 17:19 <@roasbeef> look at what spends it 17:19 <@roasbeef> the fee rate was pretty high on that, the funding trnsaction 17:19 <@roasbeef> 24 sat/byte 17:19 <@roasbeef> so 4k sat fee 17:20 < ekiro> my balance is 17:20 < ekiro> "total_balance": "325080", 17:20 < ekiro> "confirmed_balance": "325080", 17:20 < ekiro> "unconfirmed_balance": "0" 17:20 <@roasbeef> look at lncli channelbalance 17:20 < ekiro> how did i lose so much money 17:20 < ekiro> I sent it to a np2wkh address too 17:21 < ekiro> "balance": "168730", 17:21 < ekiro> "pending_open_balance": "316003" 17:21 < ekiro> that is what it says for lncli channelbalance 17:21 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 17:25 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 17:25 <@roasbeef> add em 17:25 <@roasbeef> up 17:25 < molz> tuxx, maybe this can help? https://dpaste.de/3rY9/raw 17:26 <@roasbeef> lol @ step 1 17:26 <@roasbeef> you're on your own there 17:26 < tuxx> molz: thx mate.. 17:26 < molz> lol i keep typing your name "tmuxx" 17:27 < molz> tuxx, yw :) 17:27 < ekiro> now i get "payment_error": "unable to find a path to destination", 17:27 < ekiro> again 17:28 < ekiro> i never closed the channel i already opened 17:28 < molz> tuxx, after it's built, run the app executable 17:29 < tuxx> yea i can build it with node:10 17:29 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:29 < tuxx> i dont need to pack it i dont think in order to run tests 17:30 < tuxx> i.e. build lnd etc 17:30 < tuxx> just need to figure out how to increase debugging levels :D 17:31 < tuxx> as it cowardly ignores --help 17:31 < ekiro> looks like my channel is still active, but i get "payment_error": "unable to find a path to destination", 17:35 < ekiro> looks like a pending channel 17:45 <@roasbeef> gotta wait for it to have more confirms before it's useable 18:16 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:26 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-poflnaeuxaadgaik] has joined #lnd 18:26 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1960: sweep: create sweeper (master...sweeper) https://git.io/fA5MM 18:26 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-poflnaeuxaadgaik] has left #lnd [] 18:33 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@87.101.92.108] has joined #lnd 18:34 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 18:35 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 18:35 -!- satyr [user@87.236.194.98] has left #lnd [] 18:38 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:53 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-dtgykvoghkvkywwh] has joined #lnd 18:53 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] CodeLingoBot opened pull request #2345: Patch comments according to best practices in code_contribution_guidelines.md (master...codelingo-comment-fix) https://git.io/fphrA 18:53 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-dtgykvoghkvkywwh] has left #lnd [] 18:55 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has 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the connection] 20:56 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 21:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 21:31 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 21:48 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-182-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 21:51 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-182-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-182-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 22:08 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 22:13 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:36 < molz> no luck trying to build lightning-app, roasbeef 22:37 < molz> "The react-scripts package provided by Create React App requires a dependency: 22:37 < molz> "eslint": "5.6.0"" 22:41 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 22:42 -!- ekiro_ [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 22:45 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:46 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:07 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd 23:13 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 23:38 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@142.162.20.53] has joined #lnd 23:41 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@142.162.20.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:48 < ekiro_> hey you people of ln 23:48 < ekiro_> you need to make channels go away 23:48 < ekiro_> automate it 23:48 < ekiro_> the user should not have to engage with it 23:49 < ekiro_> it adds a huge burden on their experience 23:49 < ekiro_> having the user deal with channels complicates things too much to the point where adoption will never happen 23:49 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 < ekiro_> use AI 23:49 < ekiro_> figure it out 23:49 < ekiro_> the experience sholuldnt have to get more complicated than using classic bitcoin 23:50 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 23:50 < ekiro_> it's already hard enough to create a UI/UX for traditional bitcoin for the commoner to adopt 23:50 < ekiro_> lightning, along with channels, makes it confusing as fuck 23:50 < ekiro_> people will not put in the mental effort 23:51 < ekiro_> there is no UI design that can simplify this... it will come down to brilliant coders to eliminate the entire process of dealing with channels 23:51 < ekiro_> im not talking out of my ass. you know this is true. 23:52 < ekiro_> this is one of those things that creative code will solve 23:52 < ekiro_> aka AI 23:54 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:55 < ekiro_> if the time developing a solution exceeds storage capacity growth, then alternatives such as BCH will win