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I put some time into it to make it nice. It's 3:30m long. If you support BTC+LN then I think you might like the video and may want to share it to get others excited about adopting it too. It won't hurt. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/dtAEiVKqUJc 08:32 < molz> ekiro, awesome! perfect! 08:35 < molz> ekiro, thanks for creating this! :D 08:35 < ekiro> np :) 08:36 < molz> ekiro, going to post it on rbitcoin ? 08:36 < ekiro> The reason I did this was because I was simply blown away how fast my first ln txn went through. Impressed me very much. Everyone talks about lightning but not many experience it. I figured once more people see what I saw it will accelerate adoption. 08:37 < ekiro> oh totally forgot about that. will do so. 08:37 < molz> ekiro, yup i remember you got upset and frustrated with lightning but then you went 'wow' ... lol 08:37 < ekiro> lol 08:38 < molz> lightning is difficult, i admit that, but it takes a little time to figure it out and it will blow your mind away :D 08:40 < ctrlbreak> It really feels similar to the learning/adoption curve for Bitcoin and wallets themselves... 08:40 < ctrlbreak> which I think kinda bodes well for it. All these things *will* get easier :-) 08:41 < molz> yup 08:42 < ekiro> indeed 08:51 < ekiro> Just posted it on r/bitcoin. Upvotes are welcome! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ad778n/bitcoin_via_lightning_network_is_stupid_fast/ 08:51 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 08:51 < molz> reposting 08:52 < molz> hm why does it say "removed"? 08:53 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 08:54 < ekiro> where? 08:55 < molz> under the video 08:55 < molz> [removed] 08:56 < ekiro> hmm 08:56 < ekiro> no idea 08:56 < ekiro> who could of done that? 08:57 < ekiro> i never got a notice about it 08:57 < ekiro> gonna ask the mods 09:07 < molz> ekiro, oh hey now i can see your text under the video 09:08 < ekiro> yup 09:08 < ekiro> mod responded 09:08 < ekiro> that was quick 09:09 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 09:09 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has joined #lnd 09:09 < molz> cool 09:13 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has quit [Client Quit] 09:13 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has joined #lnd 09:19 < Veggen> there's a ton of automoderation on r/bitcoin. 09:22 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 09:26 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 09:28 < ekiro> my guess is it was the title. some bot filter must of picked up "bitcoin....is stupid" and BAM! Nuked, 09:29 < molz> yea, once i made a reply and mentioned "darkcoin", my post was shadow-banned, i could see it but nobody else could, this is why i don't like stupid reddit but it's a good medium to get to the masses 09:31 < molz> i wouldn't spend too much time on either sub, or else i would feel i'm getting stupid like reddit 09:33 < Veggen> I'm still reading it but this year I am trying to stick to facts. Answering honest questions, correcting *factual* errors - but staying away from FUDish posts. 09:33 < Veggen> that counts for both subs. 09:47 < molz> yea i've tried to avoid drama on reddit 09:54 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 09:55 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:59 < ekiro> lol this was the first time i ever used reddit. i just made an account today 10:01 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 10:03 < molz> no kidding 10:03 < molz> maybe that's why they tried to censor you! lol 10:04 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:08 -!- aielima_ [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 10:08 < ekiro> lol 10:10 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:13 -!- aielima_ is now known as aielima 10:56 -!- ekiro [~textual@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 10:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 10:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has joined #lnd 11:08 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 11:08 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.210.234] has joined #lnd 11:40 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-pyflrqdaepianarz] has joined #lnd 11:40 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] alexbosworth opened pull request #2424: lnwallet: fix trivial comment typo (master...patch-7) https://git.io/fhsuB 11:40 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-pyflrqdaepianarz] has left #lnd [] 11:48 -!- CryptoSigmund [~CryptoSig@ppp-88-217-93-31.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 12:07 -!- CryptoSigmund [~CryptoSig@ppp-88-217-93-31.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lnd 12:09 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@122-62-48-103-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz] has joined #lnd 12:11 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13 -!- CryptoSigmund [~CryptoSig@ppp-88-217-93-31.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [] 12:30 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:31 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 12:37 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 13:01 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@193.189.166.102] has quit [] 13:05 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 13:23 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:32 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 13:37 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:14 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 14:21 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 14:37 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 14:41 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:53 -!- carl_ [55cb2c07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.203.44.7] has joined #lnd 14:57 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:00 < carl_> Question: What if I want to do my first lightning payment to a restaurant, but I don't have a channel opened yet and the restaurant won't open a channel with me? With whom do I open my first channel? I don't know anyone who wants to open a channel. Could I open a channel with myself? 15:01 < lndbot> It’s up to you how to select your first channel, you generally want to select one with good connectivity towards the rest of the network 15:03 < carl_> Any advice where I can go to for opening a channel? As I said, I don't know anyone who wants to open a channel 15:04 < carl_> a website or forum or google search any help is welcme 15:04 < ekiro> 1ml.com 15:04 < ekiro> look for the biggest node 15:05 < ekiro> that's a logical way of thinking, but it would lead to hub-spoke centralization 15:05 < carl_> thank you so much 15:05 < lndbot> I wouldn’t do that 15:06 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06 < ekiro> I say it should just work out of the box. Autopilot should choose the best node available to you and keep things meshed 15:07 < ekiro> Because naturally people will just open channels to major hubs 15:08 < molz> carl_, or you can open a direct channel to that restaurant 15:09 < carl_> ONe time use channel? 15:09 < molz> why would it be one time use? 15:09 < carl_> would merchants facilitate this? 15:10 < molz> they don't have to 15:10 < ekiro> businesses tend to have repeat customers 15:10 < molz> you're the payer, they provide you with food 15:10 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 < carl_> ok that's logical. I can use that channel also to pay anywhere else in the world? 15:11 < molz> right, if there're routes between you and the restaurant to other places 15:11 < Veggen> carl: sure, restaurants would likely be more than happy to route transactions and have some extra income? 15:11 < carl_> Does the node of the restaurant haave to be well connected 15:11 < molz> carl_, i would recommend you get on lightning testnet to try this out to see the wonder of lightning network 15:12 < carl_> I will try it. I am just having difficulty in understanding the minimal connectivity required 15:12 < Veggen> agreed, it's useful to do some practise on testnet first to see it in real life. 15:13 < ekiro> carl_ have you done your first txn yet?/ 15:14 < carl_> I only have run a LND node without any channels. I saw all kinds of communications in the command line output. My next step is to open a channel 15:15 < ekiro> ah yeah 15:16 < ekiro> its like surviving running through no mans land to get to the first txn but its worth it afterwards :D 15:16 < carl_> It feels like it is important to make a channel with a well connected node 15:16 < ekiro> thats what i thought 15:16 < ekiro> i just opened a channel with blockstream as they seemed to have a store with 9000+ orders served... so they seemed well connected 15:17 < carl_> yes good idea to use blockstream 15:17 < Veggen> carl, feel free to open one with me. https://lnd.engen.priv.no/nodes.html has info. 15:18 < Veggen> I don't promise I'm the best one, but I have decent capacity here and there, and run it 24/7 on a stable connection. 15:18 < molz> i have a list of testnet nodes on slack, let me find it 15:18 < carl_> i have it bookmarked. thanks 15:18 < ekiro> carl_ also keep in mind opening a channel comes with a fee. i found out after i opened one that there was a fee 15:18 < Veggen> but that's mainnet. My testnet, I am afraid, I don't run as often anymore :) 15:19 < ekiro> Veggen are you on a static IP? 15:19 < carl_> can my node have multiple channels at the same time? Will autopilot automatically choose a channel if I do a transaction with a 3rd party? 15:19 < Veggen> ekiro: technically no, but in practise it changes rarely. 15:20 < Veggen> carl: yes, it can have more channels (and you should), and yes, your node will calculate the best one when you do a transaction. 15:20 < ekiro> I'll open a channel with you. My node runs 24/7. Been up 9 days now. 15:20 < carl_> I will experiment soon. I hope some of my questions will be answered. 15:21 < carl_> thanks bye 15:21 -!- carl_ [55cb2c07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.203.44.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22 < Veggen> actually, I need more local balance now ;) (i.e. my own bitcoin). I have more people who have connected to me than I have connected to. 15:22 < molz> oh he left 15:22 < molz> too scared of lightning strikes!!! 15:24 < ekiro> what is a 'good' amount to store on it? 15:24 < molz> ekiro, i've been experimenting a node with just one channel... pretty good so far for most of my txs 15:24 < ekiro> the beta seems pretty stable now to increase capacity 15:24 < ekiro> interesting 15:24 < ekiro> molz who are you connected do? 15:25 < molz> secret 15:25 < molz> :D 15:25 < Veggen> ekiro: yah, reliability/safety is improving quite a bit. 15:25 < ekiro> lol 15:25 < ekiro> pornhub? they must be connected to every computer on the net 15:26 < molz> nope 15:26 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: https://www.Quanto.ga/] 15:26 < molz> the node im connecting to has only 21 channels 15:27 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 15:27 < molz> well the thing is if you send micro payments then you succeed most of the time 15:27 < ekiro> dang 15:27 < Veggen> molz: as a user, I guess channel with just one reasonably well connected node isn't that bad. 15:27 < molz> but if you want to send a big paymment, there's liquidity problem 15:28 < ekiro> Ah 15:28 < ekiro> Interesting 15:28 < molz> Veggen, well this node is a merchant's node 15:28 < ekiro> hmm 15:28 < molz> so how do we solve liquidity issue.. i guess it takes time 15:29 < Veggen> molz: there's no "interest" anywhere for bitcoin in cold wallets. 15:29 < ekiro> Wait a minute isnt there also a latency problem if you choose nodes on the other side of the world? 15:29 < Veggen> providing liquidity will give a small return. 15:29 < molz> Veggen, eh i'm hoping liquidity is solved not by 'providers' but by real users 15:30 < Veggen> molz: mmm, yes. 15:30 < lndbot> Liquidity is the advantage fo doing an on-chain send 15:30 < ekiro> yeah 15:30 < ekiro> isnt ln for small txn anyway? 15:30 < Veggen> molz: I have been upping mine, lately. 15:30 < Veggen> ekiro: relatively small. 15:31 < Veggen> but I have done transactions of $100. 15:32 < molz> ekiro, a big payment is about equivalent to 25 bucks 15:32 < ekiro> " the average card holder uses a credit card 119 times a year, for transactions averaging $88 apiece." 15:32 < Veggen> (or 2-3M satoshi, in our currency) 15:32 < molz> so maybe AMP will help 15:32 < ekiro> so it makes sense to have a cap around 100$ 15:35 < molz> this is rompert's node info: 15:35 < molz> "num_channels": 890, 15:35 < molz> "total_capacity": "692955861" 15:36 < ekiro> damn 15:36 < molz> amazing to see his node has that many channels and he hasn't flooded the slack anymore with issues lol 15:37 < ekiro> I wonder how much profit he makes 15:38 < Veggen> he probably routes quite a few transactions, but remember that it costs fee to open and close channels, etc. 15:38 < Veggen> I don't really think there are transactions to actually get a decent *profit* yet. 15:39 < lndbot> he doesn’t charge much of a fee on most channels 15:39 < molz> ctrlbreak, rompert [2:21 AM] 15:39 < molz> don’t worry guys, i will never DoS testnet 15:39 < molz> lol 15:39 < molz> rompert [4:52 PM] 15:39 < molz> don’t blame me. the nodes have been stable. not my fault 15:39 < Veggen> right now, I think people charge way too little fee. probably me included. fee_rate is too small per default. 15:40 < ekiro> same 15:41 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 15:41 < Veggen> My fees are smaller than default up to around 50k satoshi, over that they will actually be more expensive than default. 15:41 < ekiro> I think most of us are losing money running full nodes 24/7. My raspibolt draws ~5W from the wall. No idea how much that costs me per day. But I'm sure I'm in the red lol 15:41 < lndbot> what do you think the default fees should be set to? 15:42 < Veggen> I have 0.5 satoshi base_fee (instead of 1), but charge 10 times as high fee_rate. 15:42 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@122-62-48-103-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:42 < lndbot> I wouldn’t consider the default fees to be opinionated atm 15:42 < Veggen> I still think my fee_rate might be too small. 15:42 < ekiro> Mine is small but the folks I seem to be connected to have higher fees 15:43 < Veggen> but I don't know where we end up, in terms of routing, how much you'll be able to reuse your capacity, etc. 15:44 < Veggen> reason for the low base_fee is that I want people to be able to have true microtransactions for cheap, and it doesn't really cost much in terms of liquidity to route small transactions. 15:45 < ctrlbreak> molz; Never blamed anyone... only that we were all crashing due to traffic from his node. 15:46 < ekiro> i think micro transactions have enormous potential 15:46 < ekiro> satoshis.place is a great idea and demo of it 15:46 < lndbot> I’m happy with my fee rate at 2500 15:51 < molz> ctrlbreak, i think if clightning has 'sendtoroute' it would cause crashes the same? 15:51 < molz> they just need to beef up their software 15:53 < ctrlbreak> molz, ? I think we might be talking about two different issues here. I had an LND issue with sendtoroute and not using cltv delta (which isn't consistent, as far as I can tell, but no one seems to care) 15:53 < ctrlbreak> errr... queryroute and cltv_delta.... 15:55 < ctrlbreak> There's an unrelated CL bug having to do with constructing htlc with a cltv value of literally zero... and instead of catching it, it simply crashed. 15:56 < molz> ah i see.. i thought "sendtoroute" caused the crashing 16:00 < ctrlbreak> nope... just regular-ass relaying on CL. Just so happened that everyone (who checked) that was encountering the bug and crashing... it was all peer traffic from rompert. 16:01 < ctrlbreak> Oh yay... Eclair just forced closed my channel to my LND node. 16:07 < ekiro> noob question: why is there a c-ln and lnd? 16:07 < molz> and Eclair too 16:07 < lndbot> What is c-ln? 16:07 < ekiro> c-lightning 16:07 < molz> and soon there will be a Rust 16:08 < lndbot> Lightning is a protocol so anyone can implement it for their use cases 16:08 < ekiro> I see 16:21 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 16:35 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- vindard [~vindard@200.7.91.106] has joined #lnd 16:39 < vindard> Question about the admin.macaroon file and things like Joule/Zap... what's the attack vector here that I should be safeguarding myself against? 16:40 < vindard> Can someone compromise my node and seal my funds if they gain access to my admin.macaroon file? And if that's the case, is there s better way of handling it than just storing it in the clear for these apps to access? 16:42 < vindard> *steal my funds... 16:43 < lndbot> The admin macaroon can move funds, those apps use it to pay for things 16:46 < vindard> Ok so compromised `admin.macaroon` == potentially stolen funds then? 16:46 < vindard> Is it the equivalent of having an unencrypted wallet.dat file hanging around for Bitcoin client? 16:49 < lndbot> I’m not sure about equivalent but certainly don’t let your admin macaroon get into the hands of someone who shouldn’t have it 16:50 < molz> think of it.. you can't use joule to access your LND fund unless you have the admin macaroon.. so pretend you're the thief and install joule on another computer, then import the same admin macaroon to find out 16:52 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:57 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 < vindard> molz, yea I'll have to do some messing around with this to figure out boundaries. I know there's the lnd unlock password that factors in there somehow as well, but haven't messed around with if it's required just for initial setup or for each new session 16:58 < vindard> would also be interesting to see if letting lnd generate new macaroon files invalidates old ones 16:58 < vindard> if so, it could be decent practice to refresh macaroon files across devices regularly 16:59 < vindard> is anyone else exploring/discussing these sorts of things that you all know of? 17:03 < molz> hm i don't know anyone would do this but someone might 17:06 -!- vindard [~vindard@200.7.91.106] has left #lnd ["Quit"] 17:15 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 17:16 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 17:21 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:33 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 17:37 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 17:54 -!- monst [b84bd583@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.75.213.131] has joined #lnd 18:10 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 18:27 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:28 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57 -!- monst [b84bd583@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.75.213.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:02 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 19:07 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:11 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.138.185] has joined #lnd 20:08 -!- Soopaman [~soopaman@cpe-70-122-225-218.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 20:09 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 20:16 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 20:19 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:37 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:40 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has joined #lnd 20:54 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.138.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 21:34 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41 <@roasbeef> it's possible to revoke old macaroons 21:41 <@roasbeef> if their creation is set up possibly 21:42 <@roasbeef> so i'd basically use example.com (or w/e wnats some caps) as a namespace to derive the root key for that macaroon, then i can easily generate a new root key in order to invalidate any other existing macaroons 22:10 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has joined #lnd 22:15 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@172.83.40.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:23 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:24 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd