--- Day changed Thu Feb 21 2019 00:47 -!- trotski2000 [uid206086@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghnohbyiysuwwchl] has joined #lnd 01:00 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has joined #lnd 01:03 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 01:16 < trotski2000> hi guys. How many channels would you recommend to open on a . casa node to be well connected? 01:31 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has joined #lnd 01:33 < Veggen> trotski2000: depends on your use case? 01:34 < Veggen> I'd not recommend randomly open many channels just to try to improve something. It's not only a case of how many, it's also a case of "which"? 01:35 < Veggen> if you want to route, you need to try to find underserved areas. Not too easy, I know :) 02:11 -!- nrobot [7824fc40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.36.252.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:17 -!- angelonE is now known as angelone 03:12 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has joined #lnd 04:07 < RusAlex> what is a private channel ? how sending node can realise path to private channel receiver ? 04:09 < ysangkok> RusAlex: an invoice can contain route hitns 04:09 < ysangkok> *hints 04:09 < ysangkok> RusAlex: a private channel is a channel that is not announced with a channel_annoucement 04:14 < RusAlex> where I can read about invoice route hints ? 04:15 < ysangkok> RusAlex: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/11-payment-encoding.md#tagged-fields field R 04:15 < ysangkok> One or more entries containing extra routing information for a private route; there may be more than one r field 04:18 < RusAlex> so if I use tor for my outgoing lnd traffic, a payer of my invoice will know only my channel partner , or even just his channel partner only that he will pass payment as first hop? 04:20 < ysangkok> i don't know how many hops lnd will put in the invoice. but if you decode the invoice, you can see how many routing hints are in there 04:22 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:25 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 04:52 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has quit [Quit: ~] 05:56 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:40 -!- miketwenty1 [63998f99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.153.143.153] has joined #lnd 06:43 < miketwenty1> molz, " didn't casa explain to you the seed only restores onchain coins in your wallet?" there is no warning about this kind of thing 06:44 < miketwenty1> they did have a disclaimer ofc about don't put more in than you're willing to lose.. and how this is reckless 06:44 < miketwenty1> i just didn't know how it was reckless.. i thought they meant.. maybe a bug in LND.. and i lose my money via a hacker 06:51 < molz> miketwenty1, well they do know the seed only recovers the wallet onchain balance, you can talk to them about it 06:52 < Veggen> ...in fact, miketwenty1, you should. They need to be told, so that they can inform their other customers. 06:52 < miketwenty1> molz, I've worked with 3 people at casa already... like i said yesterday.. there was a reason i was here.. there's certain things i want to say.. but i hold my tongue out of respect 06:53 < Veggen> I know for a fact how difficult it is to document everything you sort of expect others to know, and that you often fail miserably at that judgement :) 06:54 < miketwenty1> there's certain things you have to know... in order to do good documentation in the first place 06:54 < Veggen> documentation is hard. It never is detailed enough before it is tested by intended audience. 06:55 < miketwenty1> is there a good mechanism to send messages/alerts to peers on the LN to tell them to close my channels for me? 06:56 < miketwenty1> i think this might be my only chance at this point 07:01 < molz> no, any alerts like that will cause more problems 07:01 < Veggen> actually, it won't work with channel.db 07:01 < Veggen> eh, without. 07:02 < miketwenty1> Veggen, if someone closes a channel .. would that allow the seed to pick up the funds? 07:02 < Veggen> not the seed as such, there are things in channel.db necessary. 07:02 < molz> no, i had this convo with alex and someone else on the slack a few days ago 07:02 < miketwenty1> wait... for real? i assumed that the btc in the channel would go to an address owned by the HD seed 07:03 < miketwenty1> can we verify this? 07:04 < molz> miketwenty1, are you on lnd slack? 07:04 < molz> i can point you to the thread we had this discussion on slack 07:05 < miketwenty1> yes im miketwenty1 on there 07:45 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 07:47 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 08:47 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:52 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has joined #lnd 09:10 -!- angelone is now known as angelonE 09:31 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:08 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29 -!- siom [~siom@82-132-235-223.dab.02.net] has joined #lnd 10:30 -!- siom_ [~siom@83.97.23.43] has joined #lnd 10:33 -!- siom [~siom@82-132-235-223.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:48 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has joined #lnd 10:50 -!- siom_ [~siom@83.97.23.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:00 -!- siom [~siom@83.97.23.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has joined #lnd 11:48 -!- wintron [90795e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.121.94.130] has joined #lnd 11:56 -!- wintron [90795e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.121.94.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 12:06 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:18 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:c4e3:b278:743d:7574] has joined #lnd 12:31 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:c4e3:b278:743d:7574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:c4e3:b278:743d:7574] has joined #lnd 12:37 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:c4e3:b278:743d:7574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:57 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03 < Akihabara> hi guys. how are you? :) 13:06 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:24 -!- trotski2000 [uid206086@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghnohbyiysuwwchl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:30 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has joined #lnd 13:59 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has joined #lnd 14:08 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 14:18 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has joined #lnd 15:05 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 15:30 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has joined #lnd 16:07 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:2097:91ad:564f:ee83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 16:25 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has joined #lnd 16:28 < rudeadyet> damn. dicking around with some poc hashlock stuff. There is just so much potential for only god knows. This is some really neat stuff 16:30 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 16:36 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@176.113.74.230] has joined #lnd 16:42 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 16:49 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 16:52 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 17:19 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 17:39 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- MrPaz [~MrPaz@84.39.112.92] has joined #lnd 17:43 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 17:44 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 18:59 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 19:01 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:16 -!- miketwenty1_ [63998f99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.153.143.153] has joined #lnd 19:18 < miketwenty1_> How are we locking up funds indefinitely?... I know at first the idea was.. channels were locked up a certain number of blocks.. now they are indefinite. Would anyone be able to elaborate on how that's true? and maybe some info into highlevel whats going on in the bitcoin script. 19:19 -!- miketwenty1 [63998f99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.153.143.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:19 <@roasbeef> funds aren't locked indefinately 19:20 <@roasbeef> miketwenty1_: ^ 19:24 < miketwenty1_> how long are they locked up for? 19:29 < miketwenty1_> i suppose i've heard conflicting things... when i first learned about LN.. before it existed.. i thought HTLC's nlocktime or nsequence was used.. I noticed .. my channels opened for a long and thought maybe channels were having to "re-new" and make an additional BTC transaction .. 19:29 < miketwenty1_> i asked once in the telegram group and someone said they are indefinite 19:30 < miketwenty1_> Lightning makers group^ 19:40 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 19:41 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 19:49 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@136.52.18.22] has joined #lnd 19:54 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@136.52.18.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:06 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 20:45 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:3168:7383:a3c5:2556] has joined #lnd 21:04 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:3168:7383:a3c5:2556] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:17 -!- miketwenty1_ [63998f99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.153.143.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:28 -!- tristian [~tristian@unaffiliated/tristian] has joined #lnd 21:38 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:3168:7383:a3c5:2556] has joined #lnd 21:43 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:3168:7383:a3c5:2556] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:00 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:29 -!- jimmymow [~jimmymow@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 23:30 -!- jimmymow [~jimmymow@205.178.77.52] has left #lnd [] 23:31 -!- frosty [~jimmymow@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 23:32 -!- frosty [~jimmymow@205.178.77.52] has quit [Client Quit]