--- Day changed Wed Apr 03 2019 00:00 -!- attilio [~attilio@cm-84.212.254.216.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:01 -!- attilio [~attilio@cm-84.212.254.216.getinternet.no] has joined #lnd 00:09 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 00:14 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 00:14 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10 -!- Styils [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 01:12 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 01:16 -!- Styils [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:18 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:35 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 01:48 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has joined #lnd 01:49 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 02:05 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 02:45 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in] 02:45 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has joined #lnd 03:55 < Akihabara> "Warning: Unknown block versions being mined! It's possible unknown rules are in effect." 03:56 < Akihabara> is it normal to have a warning like this in my bitcoin-cli?? i read the internet that it has to do with asicboost 03:56 < Akihabara> nothing to worry about? 03:57 < molz> Akihabara, correct, for learning about bitcoin core you can ask those questions in channel #bitcoin 03:58 < Akihabara> moly yes i asked there too. thank you for your precious help, my bitcoind is up synced and running in less than 12 hours!! 03:59 < Akihabara> i know im a pain in the bottom but i came a long way and now i can install lnd without any issues :) 03:59 < Akihabara> thanks to you and the members of lnd 04:07 < Akihabara> lnd is installed and working too 04:07 < Akihabara> no warning 04:16 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has joined #lnd 04:28 < molz> roasbeef, just found out the node that gave me that error message was running this commit: 089d461552ffc05d7b1c22d603af0fa82e788e85 04:30 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 04:57 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 05:07 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has joined #lnd 05:09 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 05:10 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has joined #lnd 05:36 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:01 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:10 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:12 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 06:14 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 06:16 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-18-185-133-40.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:24 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@146.185.56.214] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 06:33 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-18-185-133-40.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lnd 06:45 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:14 < lndbot> @roasbeef, ‘subscribechannelbackups’ grpc only fires when the channel is open (conf = 3) ? Or does it fire as soon as I have a channel on ‘pendingchannels’ 07:15 < lndbot> (ignore the closure event fire) 08:39 -!- db_ [188608a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.134.8.161] has joined #lnd 08:39 -!- db_ [188608a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.134.8.161] has quit [Client Quit] 09:00 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has joined #lnd 09:03 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 11:04 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 11:45 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@68.168.115.53] has joined #lnd 11:54 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has joined #lnd 12:29 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 12:31 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has joined #lnd 12:31 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:41 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:02 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has joined #lnd 13:04 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 13:07 <@roasbeef> joaoalmeida: open 13:08 < lndbot> That’s what I noticed after a while 13:08 < lndbot> pretty simple to implement it with the grpc, almost good to go to production … I can sleep better at night :,) 13:09 <@roasbeef> nice! 13:09 <@roasbeef> there's also the verify call which is mean to serve as a sanity check 13:10 < lndbot> Yeah, thats the missing piece now. If it fails I should call manually for a backup 13:10 < lndbot> any disadvantage on getting always the multichannel backup? 13:16 <@roasbeef> not really, the multi is nice as it includes everything 13:17 <@roasbeef> the single is just if you want to like especially replicate one channel 13:17 <@roasbeef> or partition the sotrage or something like that 13:19 < lndbot> Thats what I thought. For now I’m getting the multi and uploading it to a S3 & saving locally. Did alex added that feature to his ln service yet ? I can just add a PR there for that cc @alexbosworth 13:19 < Veggen> roasbeef: I still think it's worthwhile to not restore channels already restored and closed :) 13:19 <@roasbeef> Veggen: ? 13:19 < lndbot> Not yet 13:19 < Veggen> roasbeef: I still think it's worthwhile to not restore channels already restored and closed :) 13:20 <@roasbeef> i don't know what that means 13:20 < Veggen> sorry. I did a restore, got funds back on a lot of channels, but some (presumably because of buggy partners) didn't close (at least T ONCE) 13:21 < lndbot> I wouldnt risk 13:21 < lndbot> in sending a old state 13:21 < Veggen> then I did my first restore again, and the ones already restored went into pending force close. 13:21 < Veggen> (even though my funds were swept long ago) 13:22 <@roasbeef> it'll detect if they ever closed 13:22 <@roasbeef> if it's on testnet then ppl are pretty out of date and it may not even have supported SCB at all 13:22 <@roasbeef> err dlp rather 13:22 <@roasbeef> it won't expect something to sweep it other than itself 13:23 <@roasbeef> so if the past instance swept it, and you did another restore on a new instance, then it goes to publish itself and sees that it's already swept 13:23 < Veggen> roasbeef: it didn't see that it was already swept, really. 13:23 < Veggen> my channels, already swept, were in pending force-close. 13:24 < Veggen> ...(after my 2nd restore) 13:24 <@roasbeef> yes because it'll try to sweep them itself, but then fail 13:24 <@roasbeef> when restoring you should just wait, trying again won't do anything really and can get you in a weird state if you've already broadcasted a sweep transaction 13:25 < Veggen> yup, guess so. 13:27 < Veggen> but till think that it would be possible to detect that "yup, this channel has been closed, all funds are swept, I will error out and just delete the newly restored channel data" ? 13:27 <@roasbeef> your case is inconclusive, it comes up and sees it spent, but it didn't spend it itself, just as if you ran multiple lnd nodes with the same data it could get confused 13:28 < Veggen> hmm, ok. Need to think thir through when not having had a beer or two too many :) 13:50 < molz> yea if you try to restore the 2nd time those swept channels would show up in 'pendingchannels' again and won't disappear 13:51 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51 < molz> or if you go back to the original lnd before the restore you'll see those channels in pending but this is testnet, in reality if you've already lost your node and all you have is the backups and seed, you won't see the original lnd instance 14:17 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38 -!- Sethersonode [6cff6e3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.255.110.61] has joined #lnd 14:38 < Sethersonode> Hello Lightning...People! 14:46 < Sethersonode> I have questions!!! 14:46 < Sethersonode> Is anyone here? 14:46 <@roasbeef> just ask... 14:47 < Sethersonode> Hey! -- So .... I'm running eclair....but I need/want to find other versions of lightning nodes (for BTC) that I can run on Windows. Specifically, ..good ones that are under active development and are easy (relatively) to use. Can you provide recommendations? 14:53 <@roasbeef> you're in the lnd channel 14:53 <@roasbeef> check out the links in the topic 14:53 < Sethersonode> Yeah - somebody from bitcoin channel told me how to join here....I am seeing that now. Is this implementable in Windows? 14:55 < lndbot> lnd runs on Windows but it is a command line daemon 14:55 < Sethersonode> Yeah, gosh...this looks a lil complicated, yeah 14:55 < Sethersonode> I was hoping to be able to do it without using my brain very much. 14:55 < Sethersonode> lol 14:56 < lndbot> Are you interested in testnet or mainnet? 14:56 < Sethersonode> Well, I'd like to work on mainnet but only if it's working relatively well...am okay losing a little, but obviously, ...don't want to 14:56 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-18-185-133-40.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 14:57 < lndbot> there is also an App that runs on windows and packages lnd https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app 14:58 < Sethersonode> Thanks, alex 14:59 < Sethersonode> So let me ask you guys this - How far are we from some installable files - .exe... things that your average person will be able to click and install easily... 14:59 < Sethersonode> Setting up eclair with btc core wallet was something I could do, but not my mom or dad... 15:00 < lndbot> there’s an exe there under releases 15:00 < Sethersonode> cool, let me look again....my biggest problem in life is not looking first... 15:00 < Sethersonode> lol 15:01 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-18-185-133-40.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lnd 15:01 < Sethersonode> Wow, okay! 15:02 < Sethersonode> I guess my biggest problem here was not knowing how github works. 15:02 < Sethersonode> lol 15:03 < Sethersonode> So pardon my not reading everything first before asking...we're here to converse, so I'd prefer just to ask ya'll.... - does this have to be instantiated alongside an instance of the bitcoin core client? 15:03 < Sethersonode> as Eclair does 15:03 < Sethersonode> Or will it keep its own copy of the blockchain....or does it do neither, and is a 'light' implementation? 15:05 < lndbot> There is a light mode, currently only recommended on testnet 15:05 < Sethersonode> Again...I know I could read the..whatever is provided, but you're here, so....why would I deprive you of the opportunity to crystallize your own understanding through the practice of teaching? :-D 15:06 < Sethersonode> Alex, do you run this software? 15:06 < lndbot> I run lnd but not that App 15:06 < Sethersonode> How do you run it? 15:06 < lndbot> I use Zap, another user interface for lnd 15:07 < Sethersonode> What platform are you running it on? 15:07 < Sethersonode> That's the one I was reading about earlier...that has an .exe 15:07 < Sethersonode> There was so little info on it, I didn't bother downloding it. 15:07 < Sethersonode> Seemed shady, no documenation 15:07 < lndbot> https://zap.jackmallers.com/ - I use iOS 15:07 < Sethersonode> So you're using on your phone? 15:08 < Sethersonode> I want to install on my desktop PC 15:08 < Sethersonode> Or a Mac, are you using a Mac desktop? 15:10 < Sethersonode> Gosh. I guess I'm getting old, this stuff seems really ....'thrown together.' I know nobody gets paid. 15:10 < Sethersonode> Do we have online symposiums..../conversations? 15:10 < Sethersonode> Q&As 15:11 < Sethersonode> I guess it's probably just that this stuff is in its infancy. 15:11 < lndbot> Yeah I use my phone but I also run lnds on linux servers 15:11 < lndbot> I do get paid though 15:11 < Sethersonode> We're all at the beginning of this, so we're .... all learning. 15:11 < Sethersonode> lol 15:11 < Sethersonode> I'm glad! 15:12 < Sethersonode> Do you get paid to develop lightning node software, Alex? 15:13 < Sethersonode> That's what I meant. I guess this 'Github' thing is fo realz...everybody is using it. But it seems difficult to find introductory information on what you've got available. 15:13 < Sethersonode> I'll just have to quit whining and dig into it. 15:13 < Sethersonode> I hate digging. 15:14 < Sethersonode> I prefer being spoonfed. 15:14 < Sethersonode> Thanks for the help! I have some threads to pull on now...I really appreciate it, Alex!! 15:19 < lndbot> I work for Lightning Labs but definitely this is an open source effort 15:24 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-18-185-133-40.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:38 -!- shtirlic [~shtirlic@ec2-35-156-179-128.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lnd 15:48 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 16:20 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:28 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:28 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 16:32 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 16:58 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 16:59 -!- DeanWeen is now known as DeanGuss 17:24 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39 < lndbot> nice, my big node now responds to rpc commands right away, cheers! 17:39 < lndbot> thanks wpaulino! 17:39 < lndbot> and team 17:58 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22 <@roasbeef> justin: squad, there's one other thing we're sitting on, but that might just land in the next point release 18:22 <@roasbeef> but 18:22 <@roasbeef> yeh bandwidth shuld also be a lot lower 18:26 < lndbot> @justin it’ll get even better once most lnd nodes out there upgrade as well 18:29 < lndbot> yeah, I thought that as well, I didn't think it would work so much better off that bat, but color me surprised, I didn't really look at the PR until it was merged. \o/ 18:50 -!- benthecarman [~benthecar@ics133-248.icsincorporated.com] has joined #lnd 18:52 -!- benthecarman_ [450585f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.5.133.248] has joined #lnd 18:52 < benthecarman_> Hey if I am installing lnd on my raspberry pi3 should I be downloading the linux or arm version of go? 18:52 -!- benthecarman [~benthecar@ics133-248.icsincorporated.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:02 -!- benthecarman_ [450585f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.5.133.248] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:22 < tynes> You want the arm version 19:27 -!- aaaaaaaaaaa [caa15aae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.161.90.174] has joined #lnd 19:31 -!- aaaaaaaaaaa [caa15aae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.161.90.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:15 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 20:17 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:12 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:14 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has joined #lnd 21:30 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:32 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has joined #lnd 22:58 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@118.149.88.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:12 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 23:18 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:23 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:49 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 23:56 -!- ypenghui [67582eb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.88.46.178] has joined #lnd 23:56 < ypenghui> hi 23:56 < ypenghui> Is anyone here