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seconds] 15:29 -!- marijnfs__ [~marijnfs@x5f764a8d.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 15:37 <@roasbeef> waxwing: have you checked out loop? 15:40 < waxwing> i did briefly look it up today yes 15:47 < waxwing> roasbeef, btw i just posted a blog about using adaptors in N of N scenario, maybe it's interesting to you 15:48 < waxwing> in particular i'm wondering if it might have application to an offchain scenario, but .. don't know. 15:48 < waxwing> https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog/multiparty-s6/ in case you didn't see it (see "Atomicity for N of N" subsection to cut the waffle) 15:49 <@roasbeef> ooo sounds interesting, will check it out 15:50 <@roasbeef> this won't work if the sig is aggregated right waxwing ? 15:51 < waxwing> it's specifically for aggregated 15:51 <@roasbeef> in the past we looked into that in order to make dlog based htlcs via adapter signatures work with sig aggregartion 15:51 <@roasbeef> oooOoo 15:51 < waxwing> well i mean, the idea of the atomic swap using adaptors (just 2 of 2 case) requires aggregated ... adaptors can't create atomicity otherwise, i think 15:52 < waxwing> so here it's just go from 2 of 2 to N of N 15:52 < waxwing> andytoshi thought it wouldn't work, but he *seems* to have been convinced that it does. 15:52 <@roasbeef> so I mean across inputs 15:52 <@roasbeef> ahh this is n-of-n single sig? 15:52 < waxwing> oh across tx inputs? oh no idea about that 15:52 <@roasbeef> w/ multiple secrets being revealed 15:52 < waxwing> is anyone really looking at that seriously? 15:53 < waxwing> yeah N secrets N party atomic kinda thing 15:53 <@roasbeef> idk, we glanced at it, and conlcued that if we didn't have a workable solution, then you can't do cross input aggegration for dlog htlcs based on adaptaer sigs 15:53 <@roasbeef> so was wondering if you had magically figured something out ;) 15:54 < waxwing> ok i think i see what you were thinking about, but i wasn't looking at that. does sound interesting, yeah. 15:54 < bitconner> cool stuff waxwing! will take a look 15:55 < waxwing> for offchain i was just wondering if you could do some funky reimagining of what htlc routes look like .. or .. something. but since i didn't want my brain to melt i just did a simple multiparty atomic swap (or shuffle, better said) on chain. 15:55 <@roasbeef> mhmm, this still seems interesting though 15:55 <@roasbeef> kek 15:55 < bitconner> yeah the corss input aggregation breaks things because there are too many unknowns and not enough equations 15:56 < waxwing> was it discussed on one of the mailing lists or something? might be interesting for me to catch up if so. 16:00 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 16:00 < bitconner> idts, i just messaged poelstra a while back and we concluded the same 16:00 <@roasbeef> yeh other than that, I think it's been a series of hallway conversations mostly 16:00 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 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