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Anywhere.] 01:08 -!- Beast [~quassel@221.146.27.110] has joined #lnd 01:15 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 01:18 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 01:20 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:23 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@user-5-173-249-236.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:45 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 01:47 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 02:01 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- scoop_ [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 02:15 -!- scoop_ [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:40 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 02:40 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 02:43 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 02:44 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 02:58 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has joined #lnd 03:01 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has joined #lnd 03:12 -!- qprime is now known as fiddysat 03:27 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:29 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has joined #lnd 03:33 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 03:36 -!- Vult [~holyfathe@unaffiliated/qxt] has joined #lnd 03:37 < Vult> My channels kinda suck. Have well balanced loaded channels but nobody uses them. 03:38 < Vult> Thinking about closing them and trying autopilot. Should that help? 03:38 < Vult> My fees are zero by the way. Was hoping that would help. 03:51 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:51 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has joined #lnd 03:52 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has joined #lnd 03:55 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@195-154-113-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:56 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has joined #lnd 04:04 -!- designwish [~designwis@51.ip-51-68-136.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 04:04 -!- votesmith [~votesmith@237.ip-217-182-75.eu] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:06 -!- votesmith [~votesmith@237.ip-217-182-75.eu] has joined #lnd 04:12 -!- designwish [~designwis@51.ip-51-68-136.eu] has joined #lnd 04:14 < lndbot> lol 04:16 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:22 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 04:24 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has joined #lnd 04:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has joined #lnd 04:37 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:43 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 04:52 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:59 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 05:50 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 05:51 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 05:55 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 05:59 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has joined #lnd 05:59 -!- tecnecio_ [~tecnecio@92.58.58.54] has joined #lnd 06:00 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00 -!- botka [~nodebot@104.248.95.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:00 -!- botka1 [~nodebot@104.248.95.16] has joined #lnd 06:01 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03 -!- fiddysat is now known as qprime 06:51 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 07:28 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@109.172.162.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 08:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 08:11 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:20 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 08:22 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40 < lndbot> I wouldn’t use undirected autopilot on mainnet 08:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:48 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 09:01 -!- MaxSan [~four@45.162.229.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:09 -!- MaxSan [~four@184.75.223.219] has joined #lnd 09:11 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15 -!- nijak [~nijak@141.98.255.151] has joined #lnd 09:16 -!- nijak_ [nijak@gateway/vpn/mullvad/nijak] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 09:30 -!- jamesob [sid180710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fegdhdwyjeczkkxm] has left #lnd [] 10:09 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 10:20 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:24 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 10:44 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45 -!- MaxSan [~four@184.75.223.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:46 -!- nijak_ [~nijak@141.98.255.151] has joined #lnd 10:47 -!- nijak [~nijak@141.98.255.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:57 -!- nijak [~nijak@141.98.255.144] has joined #lnd 10:59 -!- nijak_ [~nijak@141.98.255.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:03 -!- MaxSan [~four@104.254.90.243] has joined #lnd 11:04 < Vult> been using a onion address with lnd for a while. Does this have any drawbacks on people connecting to my node? 11:04 < MaxSan> I believe onion is only you able to connect 11:04 < MaxSan> dont quote me on that 11:05 < lndbot> Yeah people without Tor can’t connect to Tor-only nodes 11:05 < Vult> alex but I am able to connect with them it seems? 11:05 < lndbot> People with Tor can connect to both Tor and non-Tor 11:05 < Vult> ah that explains a lot 11:06 < MaxSan> ^^ 11:06 < Vult> would be nice it tor was built into lnd 11:06 < Vult> if^ 11:12 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has joined #lnd 11:17 < Vult> ofc with a flag to disable it. A ton of positive things with onion address but nobody will use it since they are in a minority. 11:20 < lndbot> A lot of people are packaging Tor into their lnd deployment solutions 11:20 < Vult> ouch a bit heavy though aptitude show tor |grep -i 'version\|size' 11:20 < Vult> Version: 0.3.5.8-1 11:20 < Vult> Uncompressed Size: 5,164 k 11:20 < Vult> thats really good to hear! 11:22 < lndbot> In theory we could incentivize Tor usage by prioritizing them in pathfinding 11:22 < Vult> Was kinda wondering why not a single person had passed though my very well balanced and funded channels. 11:22 < Vult> PLEASE 11:22 < Vult> would be awesome way to get ppl to start using it! 11:23 < lndbot> I don’t think it’s a feature in high demand in native lnd but external applications could also add this themselves 11:27 -!- MaxSan [~four@104.254.90.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:33 < lndbot> I thought about that too, but if u want an only-tor route wld need lots more users on tor front 11:33 < Vult> Unfortunately I don't see a bright future for onion address. People just don't think like that anymore =/ Think gpg... 11:39 < Vult> So much for my two lines of rsa rencryption/decryption perl tattoo I got when I was 14. 11:39 < Vult> print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0 I'm running a tor node, I have routed exactly 0 transactions. 11:40 < Asara> except for my own of course 11:40 < Vult> kinda sux. Same here 11:41 < Vult> But incentivize Tor usage by prioritizing them in pathfinding would be a great start. 11:43 < Vult> This isn't just a nerd thing. onion address have a ton of piratical advantages. 11:43 < Vult> practical^ 11:53 < lndbot> I route somewhat less on my Tor node but it’s not night and day 12:11 < Vult> alex could be that the people what know you tend to be a bit more tech savvy. I was having about six routes a day. Dropped to zero. Would be interesting to see some wider analytics. 12:12 < Vult> that know^ (Jezz never buy a DasKeyboard 4 Ultimate) 12:13 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 12:18 < lndbot> Maybe it is depleted inbound liquidity? 12:19 < lndbot> I notice that plenty of nodes aren’t really attentive to keeping things balanced 12:35 < Vult> Closed my old channels. Going to put 0.01 into six channels with active nodes. ofc Ill balance the channels. Ill set my fees down to zero. Wrote a tiny "thingy" to see what happens. https://paste.debian.net/1091385/ 12:36 < lndbot> What are you using to balance? 12:37 < Vult> other nodes that I own. 12:37 < lndbot> Yeah I use my other node to help balance 12:37 < lndbot> A smaller amount may limit the amount you can route 12:38 < lndbot> I usually open channels that are 1-2x the max spend limit 12:38 < Vult> should 0.01 be ok? 12:39 < Vult> w/e we will see what happens just for shits and giggles. 12:40 < lndbot> I don’t route a ton of multi million sat payments but it definitely does happen 12:41 < Vult> heh, ok Ill give that a try with two channels then. Would be kinda cool to see something big move though. 12:42 < lndbot> Cltv matters and past routing attempts 12:43 < lndbot> And connectedness 12:44 < Vult> my uptime is kinda good =P 12:44 < Vult> uptime 12:44 < Vult> 21:44:07 up 252 days, 20:32, 1 user, load average: 1.70, 1.89, 2.08 12:45 < Vult> the server that is. lnd needs to get updated on a release 12:45 < lndbot> Topology I meant 12:48 < lndbot> And I think that doesn’t mean just num channels open but something vaguer 12:50 < lndbot> So some nodes are super connected like the ln big nodes and others, but if you cut up the channel graph and have some sub graph in which you are more connected in this subgraph than one of the big nodes, and there are payments happening here, it seems to me that you would be positioned for routing 12:50 < lndbot> Haven’t really fleshed it out 12:58 < Vult> Was looking at some of Rene Pickhardt proposals. Some of his thoughts on ML and routing sounded interesting. Probably a bit unrealistic at least for now though. 13:13 <@roasbeef> many of them aren't very practical 13:13 <@roasbeef> easy to come up with ideas if you ignore the actual engineering or feasibiltiy constraints 13:13 < molz> yep 13:15 < Vult> I don't think coding is his strong side. Mostly python. But he does think ahead. 13:16 < molz> Vult, btw, the BTCPay community is doing a crowdfunding for a charity which will be launched on Monday, they're asking for channels if you're interested: https://fund.btcpayserver.org/embed/9Ac1k57DGMpL2QeYeqSiNcpq6tor6NAGgiuYYij3tPaE/BTC/ln 13:16 < molz> maybe you can help to route some txs for them 13:17 < Vult> sure I just opened a few at 3sat/byte that confirmed on the first block. Can open something to BTCPay too I guess 13:20 < molz> lol they have both clearnet and tor addresses 13:24 < Vult> done 585df02e3fe1be6d6f3510e7ac50fed4e2eb2af112e384d6a0086724d2c14277 13:25 < Vult> 2 million sat 13:25 < molz> oh cool :D 13:25 < molz> i'm just trying to help them by spreading the word 13:26 < Vult> funny with onion addresses I have not had a single tx. People use to like me before I want all rouge. 13:27 < Vult> molz btw my fees are zippo =) 13:28 < fireduck> molz: I've run electrum servers like that before. Onion address just so tor users can reach it would needing an exit node 13:28 < fireduck> everyone hates exit nodes 13:29 < Vult> yeah as a kid I use to use sslstrip on a exit node just to see what was up. 13:31 < Vult> tor unfortunately is very centralized. Also I do not trust the operators of exit nodes. Call me paranoid but I would guess most of them are spooks. 13:35 < molz> fireduck, i see.. 13:35 < fireduck> oh yeah, one arm of the NSA runs all the tor nodes 13:35 < fireduck> another arm writes the software 13:35 < fireduck> so it is useful as long as the NSA isn't willing to burn that source to take you down 13:36 < fireduck> ( I don't really know, but since you could own many tor nodes at a reasonable price, why wouldn't they) 13:43 < Vult> Sure there are organizations like CCC that run exit nodes but for the avg person it is just to risky. Just takes one sicko to download some kiddy porn and you have the feds brake your door down. 13:50 < Vult> I have had some thought on how to decentralize tor. Gosh I hate buzz words...but yes blockchain could help with bootstrapping etc. 13:59 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:01 < fireduck> Tor works pretty well as is, as long as the site you are trying to reach has an onion address 14:01 < fireduck> it would also be nice if there was some mechanism for doing fault tolerance / load balancing 14:01 < fireduck> like allowing multiple nodes to publish the same onion address and have connections route to whichever 14:02 < fireduck> that would make it easier to run a real site on it 14:02 < lndbot> I loved sslstrip as a teenager ! 14:04 < lndbot> I think main adoption barrier for people is honestly the url (at least in places where you don’t need BridgeDB) 14:12 < Vult> eugene Moxie wrote all kinds of neat stuff. Convergence was a great idea imo. Google sharing, tortunnels and ofc sslstrip. Wrote a rouge wifi AP with sslstrip to spoof "real" a AP ie at ie BurgerKing. Ended up in BackTrack 3 or 4. 14:13 < Vult> and lets not forget his "most excellent" Signal! 14:15 -!- Vult is now known as onryo 14:16 -!- onryo [~holyfathe@unaffiliated/qxt] has quit [Changing host] 14:16 -!- onryo [~holyfathe@unaffiliated/onryo] has joined #lnd 14:16 < lndbot> ARP spoofing ;) I was such a script kid lol 14:17 < onryo> ettercap was kinda good imo 14:18 -!- MaxSan [~four@184.75.223.235] has joined #lnd 14:19 < onryo> I guess if you google "onryo backtrack" you will prolly find a bunch of stuff I wrote for BackTrack back in 2010-2013 14:20 < onryo> today they call it Kali Linux 14:43 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:47 < onryo> DefCon 93-96 would have been so cool to witness. Sadly I was just a kid. 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