--- Day changed Fri Feb 07 2020 00:04 < tangibleat> now at highest debug level, it shows this too: 00:04 < tangibleat> 2020-02-07 09:01:01.041 [DBG] PEER: Sending Ping to 03bb88ccc444534da7b5b64b4f7b15e1eccb18e102db0e400d4b9cfe93763aa26d@[::1]:51258 00:04 < tangibleat> 2020-02-07 09:01:01.257 [DBG] PEER: Received Ping from 03bb88ccc444534da7b5b64b4f7b15e1eccb18e102db0e400d4b9cfe93763aa26d@[::1]:51258 00:04 < tangibleat> 2020-02-07 09:01:01.257 [DBG] PEER: Sending Pong to 03bb88ccc444534da7b5b64b4f7b15e1eccb18e102db0e400d4b9cfe93763aa26d@[::1]:51258 00:04 < tangibleat> 2020-02-07 09:01:01.261 [DBG] PEER: Received Pong from 03bb88ccc444534da7b5b64b4f7b15e1eccb18e102db0e400d4b9cfe93763aa26d@[::1]:51258 00:07 < tangibleat> what scares me is grep 673725749984952320 lnd.log shows nothing, as if my node had totally forgotten that it has that channel 00:27 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 00:27 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:29 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 00:30 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@82.118.103.242] has joined #lnd 00:51 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@82.118.103.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 01:53 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.183.226] has joined #lnd 02:07 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 02:26 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ybwgwdcrzwtbziqd] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:30 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.183.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has joined #lnd 02:46 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@149.3.71.157] has joined #lnd 02:48 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 02:50 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:50 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 02:52 -!- jpe [~jp@fnord.cryptophone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54 -!- jpe [~jp@i5E8695BB.versanet.de] has joined #lnd 02:59 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:00 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has joined #lnd 03:14 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@2001:8a0:7293:1200:68f5:2150:4d47:f16f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hgcodfwgsshbylsf] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 03:44 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@2001:8a0:7293:1200:68f5:2150:4d47:f16f] has joined #lnd 04:02 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@149.3.71.157] has joined #lnd 04:59 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@149.3.71.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@149.3.71.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.244] has joined #lnd 05:19 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.244] has quit [Client Quit] 05:19 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.244] has joined #lnd 05:26 < gkrizek> roasbeef expanding on my question last night, so if a private key is not on a lightning node it can’t work, right? Like there’s no concept of a ‘read only’ lightning node? Because even the read only macaroon needs the private key to validate the gRPC calls. 05:35 < gkrizek> Read only lightning node may sound silly, but I was imagining a node that’s online and available to receive payments, but in order to send money out you need to do something special with the private key 05:51 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 06:11 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 < Veggen> gkrizek: there's read-only macaroons. 06:14 < Veggen> they'll do exactly what you need, but they will be connected to a normal LND node. 06:16 < gkrizek> Right, but for those read only macaroons to work, the private key must stay on your lightning node. I’m mainly asking if there’s a way to remove the private key from the lightning node, or does that render it unusable? 06:17 < Veggen> even tp receive payments, you'll have to sign bitcoin transactions. Because every transactions alter the payout to both ends, so you'll need to sign off on the new "ready-to-spend" transactions. 06:18 < Veggen> remember, for *any* state change, both ends of a channel have the signatures they need to submit the state onchain. 06:25 < gkrizek> Ok that makes sense. 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