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joined #lnd 03:09 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:13 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:16 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:21 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:26 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:31 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:35 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:40 < RusAlex> is there a way to identify which version of lnd were used for a specific ~/.lnd data folder backup ? 03:40 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40 < RusAlex> Im having a data loss incident. and have a backup of my data (lnd folder) with channel.backup file 03:41 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:42 < Veggen> when doing a restore via channel.backup, you don't use a backup of .lnd 03:43 < RusAlex> but I tried to use 0.9.0-beta with backed data and it shuts down with message no channels found 03:43 < Veggen> the seed and the channel backup is enough information. What lnd version were you on when you got issues? 03:43 < RusAlex> Veggen:I know. I just wanted to restore full lnd data folder 03:43 < Veggen> if you restore the .lnd folder, you *will* get issues. 03:43 < RusAlex> Veggen: thats the issue I do not remember. but obviously it was with channel.backup file inside so SCB option was there 03:44 < RusAlex> now I started restoring process from lnd/docs/recovery.md 03:44 < Veggen> you can restart with same .lnd folder after a crash, but you should never roll back to an older. 03:45 < Veggen> unless it's 100% last resort, i.e. you have no newer (even broken) and have no channel.backup. 03:45 < RusAlex> ok. So I follow with a regular restoration process on-chain funds then off-chain funds 03:45 < Veggen> exactly. 03:45 < RusAlex> ok will try 03:46 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46 < Veggen> that will close your channels, or rather ask your peers to close them. If peers are gone, those channels are lost. 03:46 < RusAlex> im not fully understand off-chain restoration. it sais all channels will be closed after peer negotiation . 03:46 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:47 < RusAlex> ok hope all peers are still there. they were online during a year ) fingers crossed 03:47 < Veggen> yup. there's currently no backup that can give you working channesø. 03:47 < Veggen> channels. 03:48 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 03:50 < RusAlex> thanks 03:54 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 04:02 -!- sneakweb [sid204034@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cuzaiokdrclyrzfc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:04 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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09:05 < RusAlex> with "initiator": "INITIATOR_REMOTE", 09:05 < RusAlex> "commitment_type": "LEGACY" 09:05 < RusAlex> this status 09:05 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 09:06 < RusAlex> eight channels are in this pending list 09:08 < RusAlex> suppose these are the funds I lost ? )) 09:09 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 09:15 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:16 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 09:26 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 09:32 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@2001:8a0:7297:3200:a9b8:62b6:5438:291d] has joined #lnd 09:35 < dongcarl> Is there a difference between amp vs mpp vs multi-shard mpp? Or are they referring to the same thing? 09:37 < lndbot> @RusAlex: how long have you been waiting for? do you see any error messages in the log for those channels? 09:38 < Veggen> RusAlex: be prepared to wait for some days. 09:49 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 10:02 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 10:09 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 10:14 -!- hkjn0 [~hkjn@163.172.184.153] has joined #lnd 10:15 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 10:16 -!- hkjn0 [~hkjn@163.172.184.153] has quit [Client Quit] 10:16 -!- hkjn0 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The recipient however has no incentive to do so since he gives away the proof of payment for less than the full payment 13:42 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 13:47 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:48 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 13:53 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:ad0e:52f7:2635:5829] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 14:00 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:01 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01 -!- nibbier [~quassel@mx01.geekbox.info] has joined #lnd 14:04 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:17 -!- nibbier 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