--- Day changed Thu May 07 2020 00:30 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:cc78:c0db:3f4d:fe88] has joined #lnd 00:32 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:cc78:c0db:3f4d:fe88] has quit [Client Quit] 00:43 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6d15:199d:f584:8f52] has joined #lnd 00:46 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6d15:199d:f584:8f52] has quit [Client Quit] 00:53 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 00:54 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 00:55 -!- MoniAlvarez [54e8e4e8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.232.228.232] has joined #lnd 00:56 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: shizonic 00:57 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:57 -!- MoniAlvarez [54e8e4e8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.232.228.232] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 -!- shizonic [shizonicma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iqbybixxqcstdwom] has joined #lnd 01:02 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6d15:199d:f584:8f52] has joined #lnd 01:02 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6d15:199d:f584:8f52] has quit [Client Quit] 01:13 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has joined #lnd 01:32 -!- downystreet [2d389461@45.56.148.97] has joined #lnd 01:33 < downystreet> I transfered by .lnd file to another server and it closed out my channels and then without thinking I used the same .lnd file from the first server to transfer to a third server and now it says my walletbalance is 0 01:33 < downystreet> is there any way to recover my funds? 01:34 < downystreet> the second server is no longer available as i erased it to make another os 01:35 < downystreet> supposedly it was supposed to keep the channels open when i transfered the first time but it closed everything out that I had in the original. 01:36 < downystreet> so i lost like 2 dollars in closing fees 01:36 < downystreet> then i transfer again and wallet balance is 0 so that makes my total loss from the lightning network around $20 01:37 < downystreet> this includes the first time i ran c-lightning instead of the lnd and lost approximately $7 when i had a power outage and the funds got stuck in pergatory on the network 01:38 < downystreet> this shit really pisses me off, i had to mine all that in monero and then transfer it 01:38 < downystreet> so now im supposed to take my new $9 in monero transfer it to bitcoin and start anew? 01:39 < downystreet> is that what i'm supposed to do? 01:39 < downystreet> o well i've already lost $20 on the lightning network 01:39 < downystreet> lord knows whose getting my hard earned money 01:39 < downystreet> its just stuck in purgatory 01:39 < downystreet> $20 fucking dollars in bitcoin losses fuck this shit 01:40 < downystreet> someoen should be reimbursing me for this shit 01:40 < downystreet> i happen to live in a third world country (the united states) and I happen to be unemployed so this really pisses me the fuck off that i have now lost $20 worth of bitcoin to the god damn purgatory of the lightning network. who the fuck has my money? 01:42 < downystreet> now im going to have to start all over again after i waited a week to mine $6 worth of monero to transfer to bitcoin and add it to my other $3 of monero 01:42 < downystreet> so now i can restart and open two small ass $4.50 channels in the odd chance that im going to make some fees off of this shit 01:42 < downystreet> but then i know im just going to lose it all when i close the channels because the god damned closing fees are like $1 01:43 < downystreet> So i'm going to put my money back into this shit to support a bunch of cock suckers that don't know where my money is 01:48 < downystreet> if i was a corporation with $100,000 in a node right now i wouldn't be getting the silent treatment 01:48 < downystreet> what if i'm a large corporation with a $100,000 node and i need to transfer the node to a new server 01:48 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49 < downystreet> and i forget to copy the .lnd file 01:49 < downystreet> that $100,000 is just gone? 01:49 < downystreet> its jsut fairy dust 01:49 < downystreet> it has to be somewhere? 01:49 -!- guggero [50fd5efc@80.253.94.252] has joined #lnd 01:50 -!- guggero [50fd5efc@80.253.94.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53 -!- guggero [~guggero@2a02:169:1203:babe:4a7:9e11:3216:f59d] has joined #lnd 01:54 < downystreet> whos getting my money? 01:56 < guggero> do you still have the seed you used to start the lnd node? then your funds can be recovered 01:56 < downystreet> yes 01:57 < downystreet> how do i do this? 01:57 < guggero> there's a whole document on this: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/recovery.md 01:57 < guggero> because you closed out all your channels you don't need to do the SCB thing, only on-chain recovery 01:58 < guggero> there's also a document describing how to use lnd safely, including moving to new hardware: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/safety.md 01:58 < downystreet> yes i read the moving document 01:58 < downystreet> when i moved it the first time it closed all my channles out 01:58 < guggero> a $100,000 node operator would hopefully study the documents associated with a project 01:59 < guggero> how exactly did you move it? 01:59 < downystreet> well i hope the documents work but it shouldnt be so easy to lose money 01:59 < downystreet> i copyed the .lnd file and transfered it to another system of the same type 02:00 < guggero> that should have worked, if you shut down the old node before copying the .lnd folder 02:01 < downystreet> i did shut it down 02:01 < downystreet> i was on here about that several days ago 02:03 < guggero> do you have the logfiles still? 02:03 < guggero> what commands did you run on the new node? just start and then unlock? 02:04 < guggero> it would probably be best if you opened an issue with all the logs you have available. it does sound like a bug. if done correctly, moving a node should not close channels 02:06 < downystreet> yea i just started and unlocked 02:07 < downystreet> and it had closed my channels 02:07 < downystreet> i dont have the logs for that anymore 02:07 < downystreet> also i just did the seed recovery and it says wallet is already unlocked and balance is still 0 02:08 < downystreet> so there seems to be a problem here 02:08 < downystreet> a very serious one 02:08 < downystreet> i'm not able to recover my funds with my wallet seed 02:08 < guggero> then it's very hard to say what really happened. what version of lnd were you running at that time? is it possible that there was data corruption while copying the .lnd folder? 02:09 < downystreet> the newest one 02:09 < downystreet> this has taken place over the last 2 days 02:09 < downystreet> i moved it to one a day or two ago 02:09 < downystreet> then i erased the hard drive and reinstalled on another using the .lnd from the original node 02:09 < guggero> you can't do recovery on a running node! you need to shut it down, move away the .lnd folder and then run the `lncli create` command 02:09 < downystreet> wait a second i do still have the original node 02:10 < downystreet> i still have the original node on another computer 02:10 < downystreet> im going to try the create one more time 02:10 < guggero> the `lncli create` will overwrite an existing wallet, so you need to move everything away as a safety copy before you start the recovery 02:10 < downystreet> ok 02:11 < guggero> and the recovery will take a good while, depending on the speed of your chain backend 02:13 < downystreet> what is the optional look-ahead 02:13 < downystreet> address look-ahead 02:14 < downystreet> its giving me error 02:15 < downystreet> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unavailable desc = all SubConns are in TransientFailure, latest connection error: connection error: desc = "transport: Error while dialing dial tcp 127.0.0.1:10009: connection refused" 02:19 < downystreet> this error is after entering all information for the "lncli create" command 02:21 < downystreet> should i go back to the original node and see what the balance is? 02:22 < guggero> the look-ahead is how many addresses will be scanned through. the default value should be fine 02:22 < downystreet> i did the default and received the error 02:22 < guggero> connection refused sounds like you didn't start the lnd node after moving away the .lnd folder 02:23 < downystreet> i connected to some channels 02:23 < guggero> you might need to copy the lnd.conf (if you have one) after you moved the .lnd folder away 02:24 < downystreet> i dont think it had an lnd.conf 02:24 < downystreet> should i go back into the original node and see what the balance is? 02:24 < guggero> you shouldn't be connected to any channels if you created a new node (if you renamed/moved the .lnd folder) 02:25 < guggero> no, leave the old node for now. don't make a mess, more could go wrong is you just switch between nodes 02:25 < downystreet> my understanding was that when i moved the .lnd folder to the new system that had the same OS the channels were to stay open because the second option talks about closing the channels 02:26 < downystreet> From the manual: f option 1 does not work or is too risky, the safest course of action is to initialize the existing node again from scratch. Unfortunately this incurs some on-chain fee costs as all channels will need to be closed. 02:26 < guggero> yes, that would have been the happy path. something went wrong. you don't have the logfiles anymore so we won't know what it was. now we are trying to recover the funds. which is a different step and we need to start from scratch and initialize the node completely new 02:27 < guggero> what you need to do now to recover the funds is: 02:27 < guggero> 1. make sure there isn't a .lnd folder on the system anymore. rename an existing folder to .lnd-backup or whatever 02:27 < downystreet> ok so remove the .lnd folder 02:27 < guggero> 2. start lnd. it should wait for you with the "create or unlock" log message 02:28 < guggero> 3. run the `lncli create`, enter your seed, leave the default lookahead 02:28 < guggero> 4. wait for the whole process to finish. once `lncli getinfo` shows `synced_to_chain: true`, there should be funds in your wallet 02:28 < guggero> this will take a half an hour or so, depending on the speed of your disk and how old the wallet is (when it was first created) 02:29 < guggero> I need to go now, will be back in a bit 02:29 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has joined #lnd 02:31 < downystreet> it just says lnd successfully initialized after entering seed 02:32 < downystreet> ok ill wait 02:32 < downystreet> hopefully this works 02:34 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39 -!- gchain [gustafmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vdrrdplqyzgjgsyw] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:39 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zotisaadfyudvzwa] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:40 -!- shizonic [shizonicma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iqbybixxqcstdwom] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:40 < downystreet> if this works ill praise the name of guggero throughout the land 02:43 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has joined #lnd 02:43 < guggero> it is possible that the funds from the force-closed channels don't show up after this step, because we don't really know what the state of those channels is. but because you still have the data from the original node, we'll be able to sweep those funds too. just don't delete anything and don't randomly try out stuff! 02:44 < downystreet> ok 02:44 < guggero> I've helped recover many channels in the past, you'll get back everything (minus chain fees unfortunately). 02:45 < guggero> just to make sure: in the backup of your original node (the state before you moved it), is there a channel.backup file? somewhere deep in the .lnd folder (data/chain/bitcoin/mainnet/channel.backup)? 02:45 < downystreet> omg the funds are there 02:45 < downystreet> thank you 02:45 < guggero> cool. including the closed channels? 02:45 < guggero> you're welcome 02:46 < downystreet> the backup of my original node? 02:46 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2de5:24c0:3b65:2c01] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 < downystreet> let me check on that 02:48 < guggero> yes. or in any backup you created. but if you have all funds back then that won't be needed 02:49 < downystreet> yes there is a channel.backupfile 02:52 -!- downystreet [2d389461@45.56.148.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54 -!- gchain [gustafmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cgbxcnswkkjjypbx] has joined #lnd 02:55 -!- guggero [~guggero@2a02:169:1203:babe:4a7:9e11:3216:f59d] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 03:13 -!- shizonic [shizonicma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ppsnygwnpqigmigj] has joined #lnd 03:13 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nvjjwawqtnxwvglo] has joined #lnd 03:53 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03 -!- molz_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 04:06 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:50 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.164.233.66] has joined #lnd 04:54 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.173.38.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59 -!- per [~per@gateway/tor-sasl/wsm] has joined #lnd 05:23 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 05:26 -!- molz_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@2001:8a0:7289:d400:f981:5ee8:f04c:62d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:56 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 05:56 -!- lndbot1 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@92.250.101.153] has joined #lnd 06:15 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@92.250.101.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:42 -!- treehug88 [~textual@pool-71-105-170-196.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 06:43 -!- laptop [~laptop@77-57-116-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:45 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:59 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #lnd 07:14 -!- lndbot2 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 07:15 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 08:11 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6c19:bdb9:a429:1127] has joined #lnd 08:25 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6c19:bdb9:a429:1127] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 08:26 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6c19:bdb9:a429:1127] has joined #lnd 08:46 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@2600:1700:dc40:3dd0:1e8:a17d:3eb6:3bb2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:49 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 09:02 -!- michaelf_ [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:d011:ff30:38d9:30c9] has joined #lnd 09:04 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:6c19:bdb9:a429:1127] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.164.233.66] has quit [Quit: jonatack_] 10:01 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.233.66] has joined #lnd 10:01 -!- michaelf_ [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:d011:ff30:38d9:30c9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:358b:f356:e6b1:9e1b] has joined #lnd 10:27 -!- lndbot2 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 10:28 < lndbot> thanks @gugger. restarted the irc bridge. testing… 10:28 -!- eamonnw [eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:43 -!- eamonnw [eamonnw@iceland.sdf.org] has joined #lnd 10:49 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 11:03 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:26 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:358b:f356:e6b1:9e1b] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 11:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 11:33 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@2a00:23c5:be01:b201:b924:7fc5:4d11:6eb2] has joined #lnd 11:34 <@roasbeef> they should make an issue, they leave IRC so had to help them out w/ rejoining 11:34 <@roasbeef> ah ok, looks to be resolved, thanks guggero! 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