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02:16 < lesless> I’m trying to pay invoice through  SendPayment call with only payment_request   filled being filled in and getting "invalid key length"  error. what am I doing wrong?
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05:16 < z1> hi #lnd 
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06:01 < z1> in listchannels what is "remote_balance": "1", ?
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06:05 < z1> Talkless: There? 
06:08 < mol> remote balance is the balance of the peer node
06:10 < mol> local balance is the balance of your node
06:12 < z1> mol:Thanks mol, i think that's why since the beginning of channel i didn't get even a single tx to my lnd node, except whatever sent etc. 
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06:14 < z1> local_balance": "64195"  , in walletbalance i can see "total_balance": "93691" - where else can be a channel opened. 
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06:16 < mol> not sure what you mean
06:17 < z1> mol: how do i get tx routed, i have "total_balance": "93691" - and only 1 channel open. 
06:17 < mol> if you have all balance in 'remote_balance' you can't route any tx until you have sats in 'remote_balance'
06:17 < mol> and 1 sat is not going to do anything for you
06:18 < Veggen> ...and as a small node, you're not going to see a ton of routing activity.
06:19 < mol> having 1 channel is not quite the issue, i've had a node with 1 channel before, i still could route some txs, it depends on the amount of liquidity you have available and the node you open your channel with
06:19 < Veggen> you need to create a reason for people to route through you. Either by creating channels to popular destinations, or by setting very low fees.
06:20 < mol> yup     
06:20 < z1> https://paste.centos.org/view/b7b2a8f6  this is what i can see 
06:21 < mol> and again, you're not going to earn a mil btc by running a tiny LN node or even a big LN node, if your motive to run LN node is to get rich you're in for a big disappointment
06:21 < mol> most of us are here for the tech, not money, not really
06:22 < z1> i see, just learning something new.. i think in near future it may become useful. 
06:23 < z1> useful for sats as well, apart from learning. 
06:24 < Veggen> z1: We all are. I spent a ton of fees to open 1 channel the other day, but I learnt the command to cpfp a channel opening, so I consider it money well spent :)
06:24 < Veggen> would have waited it out if I didn't want to try cpfp :)
06:31 < mol> Veggen, i've closed all my channels before the halving lol
06:33 < mol> also because btc chain size is maxing out my vps capacity, need to move if i still want to run lnd on mainnet which i might not
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08:14 < z1> Veggen/mol: yes :-) . Thanks, now what is the cpfp :-? checking. 
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08:22 < Talkless> z1: my node still does not see your channel :/
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08:57 < z1> Talkless: probably due to little sats i have in the channel?
08:57 < z1> Talkless: Good to see you.
08:58 < z1> i am soon migrating to raspberry pi. 
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09:43 < wizardsmoke> gang, gang
09:43 < wizardsmoke> Can I point eclair at my lnd node so that it will use that node for any transactions?
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12:39 <@roasbeef> wizardsmoke: if you have only a single chanle between them, then it'll be always selected 
12:39 <@roasbeef> not sure if that's what you're after here 
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12:52 < wizardsmoke> I guess I just don't know what sets eclair apart as a light client. Am I trusting someone else's node when using eclair?
12:53 <@roasbeef> ah ok, it uses an electurm backend 
12:53 <@roasbeef> lnd in its light client mode (neutrino), uses the p2p bitcoin network 
12:53 <@roasbeef> by default eclair connects to an electrum node that ACINQ runs, but I think there's also an option to tell it to connect to your own node 
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15:59 < drolmer> Probably not possible but want to be sure. Is it possible to find out if a payment I forwarded was part of an AMP?
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17:08 <@roasbeef> hmm not unless it was MPP and you see the same pay hash for diff forwarded HTLCs
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18:26 < drolmer> ah right, thx roasbeef
18:27 < wizardsmoke> Can you use funds received from one channel on another channel, to pay some other invoice?
18:27 < wizardsmoke> Without hitting the chain?
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18:50 < wizardsmoke> not enough witness outputs to create funding transaction, need 0.00164977 BTC only have 0.00140541 BTC  available
18:51 < wizardsmoke> what does that mean? I can't pay an invoice without commiting more than I owe to the channel?
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18:53 <@roasbeef> wizardsmoke: yeh ofc that's the whole point of channels 
18:53 <@roasbeef> means that you need more coins to make a channel of that size 
18:53 <@roasbeef> you need to open a channel (or have one already) before you can pay na invoice 
18:54 < wizardsmoke> I only owe 139k sats
18:54 < wizardsmoke> So i funded with like 140k sats
18:54 < wizardsmoke> that Tx confirmed
18:56 < wizardsmoke> this is a scam
18:58 < wizardsmoke> I just want to get a pizza :(
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19:01 < wizardsmoke> Why do I need 165k sats to open a channel to pay a 139k sat bill when I have 140k sats in the wallet confirmed?
19:02 <@roasbeef> wizardsmoke: if you have a channel open, then you can try to pay the invoice, you don't need to open another channel 
19:02 < wizardsmoke> I connected but it won't let me open a channel
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19:03 < wizardsmoke> I tried `lncli openchannel <node_id> 140541 0`
19:03 <@roasbeef> remember you need to pay an on-chain fee to open a channel, you can control what fee you pay, check out openchannel -h 
19:10 < wizardsmoke> buy me a pizza beef, this is too much
19:10 < wizardsmoke> how are the people supposed to come to ln when we gotta do all this?
19:10 < wizardsmoke> I'm paying $10 in fees just to fund some little channel, to pay more fees to get a pizza
19:10 < wizardsmoke> it just isn't right
19:11 <@roasbeef> you're able to override those fees at anytime, if you struggle using the command line, then you should probably install  GUI wallet to use 
19:11 < wizardsmoke> If I don't pay a high enough fee the transaction won't confirm
19:11 < wizardsmoke> I have a few that have been sitting on hold for like a week now.
19:21 < wizardsmoke> How do I change the minimum channel size?
19:29 < wizardsmoke> Its telling me the minimum channel is 0.05btc
19:34 < wizardsmoke> err=chan size of 0.0015 BTC is below min chan size of 0.05 BTC
19:42 < wizardsmoke> I set minchansize=20000 in lnd.conf but its still saying 0.05 is the min chan size
19:45 < wizardsmoke> Is this the other end of the channel saying that I have to fund with 0.05 BTC?
19:48 < mol> probably so, what's the name of the other node?
19:49 < wizardsmoke> ln.pizza
19:49 < wizardsmoke> I just want to get a pizza :(
19:55 < mol> can you pay for the pizza by sending btc onchain?
19:56 <@roasbeef> wizardsmoke: that's the setting of that node, they don't accept small channels
19:56 < wizardsmoke> I just want to order a pizza from that node? Why on earth do I need a $400 channel to do that?
19:57 <@roasbeef> if you don't have a channel, you can't pay over LN
19:57 < wizardsmoke> Sure, but 0.05btc for some channel that's going to be used to pay $12?
19:57 < wizardsmoke> I feel like I'm taking crazy pills right now
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19:59 <@roasbeef> wizardsmoke: that's the settings of that node
19:59 < mol> wizardsmoke, they don't want too many channels, and you don't have to connect to that node to buy pizza, you can connect to another node that might be able to forward your payment
20:02 < wizardsmoke> would you please help me do that? I really want to order this pizza but I don't know how to traverse the graph for a route
20:07 < mol> does ln.pizza give you an option to pay onchain? if they do you might want to use that for now
20:08 < mol> before pizza stores are closed
20:08 < wizardsmoke> They don't. They say to connect to their node and then they give a payment request
20:09 < mol> if you can look up to find nodes that connect to their node, you can pick one of those and open a channel
20:15 < wizardsmoke> I'm searching on 1ML but I can't even find their node
20:17 < wizardsmoke> https://1ml.com/node/02816caed43171d3c9854e3b0ab2cf0c42be086ff1bd4005acc2a5f7db70d83774
20:17 < wizardsmoke> looks like them
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20:18 < wizardsmoke> So I just need to open a channel with one of their peers and then I can try to pay?
20:19 < mol> yes, after your channel has at least 3 confirmations
20:19 < mol> i think
20:20 < mol> one of those LN-BIG nodes should be good
20:24 < wizardsmoke> ok, I connected to that LN-BIG node. So I wait for 3 confs and then payinvoice?
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20:49 < wizardsmoke> I now have 3 confs on the channel with LN-BIG
20:52 < wizardsmoke> when I try to sendpayment to the payment request it says insufficient funds
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20:53 < wizardsmoke> How do I tell it I want to route the payment over the channel with LN-BIG?
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