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ZZZzzz…] 06:22 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 06:22 -!- afk11` [~afk11@gateway/tor-sasl/afk11] has joined #lnd 06:23 -!- cltrbreak_MAD2 [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:24 -!- cltrbreak_MAD2 [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has joined #lnd 06:34 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@149.3.71.157] has joined #lnd 06:48 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:20 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:27 -!- surja795 [~surja795@172.58.222.136] has joined #lnd 07:30 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 07:58 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 08:01 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27 -!- dethos [~dethos@213.190.211.160] has joined #lnd 08:29 -!- aqquadro_ [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:40 -!- aqquadro_ [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has joined #lnd 08:58 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 09:03 -!- surja795 [~surja795@172.58.222.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:04 -!- aqquadro_ [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- aqquadro_ [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has joined #lnd 09:31 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 09:42 < wizardsmoke> If I'm connected to a node (Node A), that is connected to a node (Node B) that provided an invoice I would like to pay, and I have an open channel with Node A, what command would I issue to pay the invoice to Node B by routing through my channel with Node A? 10:03 < mol_> wizardsmoke, so did you manage to pay for the pizza invoice? 10:04 < wizardsmoke> No, but I did get connected to the LN-BIG node. I tried every command I could think of to route A-B-Pizza but couldn't get it done. 10:05 < wizardsmoke> I tried sendpayment, payinvoice, tried looking for the docs, it just seems like LN is nowhere near ready for end-users. 10:06 < mol_> look, you probably doing it wrong 10:06 < mol_> what's the amount of the invoice and how much do you have on your channel? 10:08 < wizardsmoke> The invoice is 139k sats. I tried to open a 140k sat channel but it said I needed 170k sats to do that. So, then, I sent more Bitcoin to the wallet. 10:09 < wizardsmoke> Then I tried to open a 150k sat channel but it said I needed 150k sats to do that (weird 140k sat channel would require more). Finally, after getting like 200k sats confirmed in the wallet, I couldn't open a channel because the node set 0.05 btc minimum. 10:10 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 10:10 < wizardsmoke> Then I connected to LN-BIG, opened a channel for 150k sats, and got a payment request from ln.pizza. 10:11 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:11 < wizardsmoke> But no command I tried (and I tried a lot -- I'm not uncomfortable in cli at all) but none of the commands worked. 10:11 < wizardsmoke> Usually the error was insufficient balance. 10:11 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 10:13 < wizardsmoke> I tried payinvoice, buildroute, sendpayment, etc 10:14 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14 < mol_> what was the command did you use? 10:16 < wizardsmoke> I tried a bunch, let me try to pull some up 10:16 < wizardsmoke> lncli paytoroute 10:17 < wizardsmoke> lncli sendpayment --pay_req 10:17 < wizardsmoke> lncli sendpayment 10:18 < wizardsmoke> lncli payinvoice 10:19 < wizardsmoke> That's the ones I tried after opening a channel and getting 3 confs with Node A (connected to the pizza node, Node B) 10:25 < wizardsmoke> Not that it's very relevant but that's reverse of the order I tried them. 10:27 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 10:30 < mol_> look at "lncli payinvoice -h" to see what it says 10:32 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:32 < mol_> hm did you copy the pay_req from ln_pizza's invoice onto your screen? 10:37 < wizardsmoke> Yes 10:38 < mol_> ok, so when you pressed ENTER, what happened? 10:40 < mol_> if the pizza costs 139k sat, you need to have enough to pay for the pizza, plus 1% reserve plus closing fee... so if your channel has only 150k sat, that's the issue, not enough fund 10:41 < wizardsmoke> Can I add more funds to the channel? 10:41 < wizardsmoke> Or do I need to close and open a new channel? 10:42 < mol_> you need to open a new channel 10:44 < wizardsmoke> OK, I'm going to close that channel and open a new one 10:48 -!- peleion [~jeff@76.73.213.54] has joined #lnd 10:48 < wizardsmoke> I'm using lncli closechannel tx_funding_id but it says teh channel is not found 10:48 < wizardsmoke> the tx_funding_id I am providing is also the first half of chaint from the output of lncli listchannelsnnel_po 10:49 < wizardsmoke> channel_point* 10:50 < wizardsmoke> For your reference this is the channel 10:50 < wizardsmoke> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/A90O0pDY/ 10:51 < wizardsmoke> and this is the command I'm using to try to close it 10:51 < wizardsmoke> $ lncli closechannel 18e5e71ba64714b90d460a298076b4af7ec2a9282974da398854298d09f3e30c 10:51 < wizardsmoke> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = channel not found 10:54 < wizardsmoke> nm, I needed to referenc output 1 10:59 < wizardsmoke> Going to go out on a limb and say 177k sats isn't enough so now I have to pay another fee to send more bitcoin to the wallet? 11:01 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 11:08 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 11:12 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:13 -!- aqquadro_ [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:44 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 11:49 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:56 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 12:00 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:06 -!- r10 [~r10@49.205.217.234] has joined #lnd 12:06 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 12:06 -!- r10 is now known as z1 12:07 < z1> Talkless:Hi 12:07 < Talkless> z1: hi 12:08 < z1> Talkless: Can you please try now whether my node is reachable please? I opened one more channel (last i think). 12:11 < Talkless> z1: let me try 12:11 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11 < z1> lnbc1p0vjatgpp5kurumx3j4tu9dlz3z8pgpp6v00zc3uexsnwflmqrrums3eqtumnqdqqcqzpgsp5tplazppng6h9gf5js2x682fnhevhjpf4xxrtyuv9ttvgyrhkr8zs9qy9qsqy9uq2nq4c0fnt9gd273a0xsqljjx24e00wx5rp7xuzvqhv5v34sr5nt6tq74pffyykygwfzyegr237z5u8e6lurzdrdw5u4gpf7rhwcqvknea7 12:12 < Talkless> z1: I see that you have two channels, but no channel are listed..: 12:12 < Talkless> https://paste.debian.net/1148469/ 12:14 < Talkless> z1: FAILED, reason: FAILURE_REASON_NO_ROUTE 12:14 < z1> Talkless: is it something with the propagation or my node config issues/ 12:14 < Talkless> i have no idea :( 12:14 < Talkless> we have to ask some one else to check connectivity to you 12:14 < Talkless> mol_: could you try? lncli getnodeinfo 023403325e93e508a05fa4417c219381ad07df95190924d9971540658a3a7068dc 12:14 < Talkless> do you get list of channels? 12:17 < z1> However channels are appearing on https://explorer.acinq.co/n/023403325e93e508a05fa4417c219381ad07df95190924d9971540658a3a7068dc 12:18 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18 < Talkless> z1: I've restarte my node 12:19 < z1> ok, On Debian? 12:19 < mol_> Talkless, what do you want me to see? 12:19 < Talkless> channels: list not empty 12:19 < mol_> "num_channels": 2, 12:19 < Talkless> mol_: https://paste.debian.net/1148469/ this is what I see 12:20 < Talkless> num chanels: 2, but channels array is empty 12:20 < Talkless> and I can't find tout to him 12:20 < Talkless> though he could pay to me 12:20 < mol_> right, channel array is empty 12:21 < Talkless> z1: did we check earlier if your channels are private or not? 12:22 < z1> Talkless: no 12:22 < mol_> wizardsmoke, the purpose of Lightning is to save onchain fees for multiple txs... It's not for just one tx, if you only need to do one tx, Lightning is not very useful for you 12:22 < Talkless> z1: no meaning not checked or not private? 12:22 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 12:22 < z1> I mean, didn't checked. 12:23 < mol_> wizardsmoke, people who use LN is to make repeat txs, that's why they put large funds in their channels so they can use them over time, and that's how it saves them money on onchain fees 12:24 < wizardsmoke> I understand you. How does this not result in trusted third-parties or users needing to take on personally the tasks of channel management? 12:25 < z1> What shouold be the "remote_balance": in lncli listchannels output? 12:26 < z1> what should* sorry for they typo. 12:26 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27 < z1> lnd version 0.10.0-beta commit=v0.10.0-beta 12:28 < Talkless> z1: lncli listchannels | fgrep private 12:28 < z1> Talkless: for both the channels : "private": false, 12:30 < Talkless> z1: ok 12:31 < Talkless> mol_: could you create 1sat invoice for z1, he will pay you, and you will try to pay back? Will you have same issue..? 12:53 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 13:19 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 13:29 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40 < mol_> Talkless, sorry i'm not running any channel on mainnet right now 13:40 < Talkless> mol_: oh ok 13:40 < mol_> did you notice i closed your channel? :) 13:40 < Talkless> mol_: why not though? 13:40 < Talkless> mol_: maybe, not sure 13:40 < Talkless> mol_: I guess I did 13:41 < mol_> i closed all channels, 13:41 < z1> mol_: I think cause of VPS space issue? 13:42 < mol_> yes, that, and also i don't have need to buy anything right now 13:47 < Talkless> mol_: I'm pretty happy with my LN node. I actually feel reluctant to buy anything on-chain. Better search for LN-supported stores! :) 13:47 < Talkless> zero fucks give on current mempool status. 13:48 < Talkless> (ignoring the Bisq issue though :( ) 13:51 < wizardsmoke> mol_: you want to establish a channel w me? 13:52 < z1> Talkless: from blockchain i was able to deposit some amount to my #lnd node wallet, routing issue at the local node end would have failed that tx too i guess? 13:52 < Talkless> z1: not sure I got your question, sorry 13:53 < Talkless> z1: depositing sats to the lnd wallet has nothing to do with routing, it's on-chain tx. 13:53 < z1> i see. ok 13:54 < Talkless> z1: if you spend all your sats (have none local balance, only remote), you can use tools like loop (loop in) to move sats back to your local side by sending on-chain tx to the loop service 13:54 < Talkless> z1: basically atomic on-chain-to-off-chain-ballance swap 13:55 < Talkless> but that's off topic in this case 13:56 < Talkless> gotta go, bye 13:57 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:57 < wizardsmoke> bye 14:04 < mol_> wizardsmoke, no, sorry 14:05 < wizardsmoke> its fine you couldn't anyway if you wanted to 14:05 < wizardsmoke> node is stealth af 14:10 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:23 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 14:28 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 14:39 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:07 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 15:11 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:31 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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