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ZZZzzz…] 03:20 < Veggen> gmaxwell: NOw that they have activated Egon_1, will the continue the pump? 03:20 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@14.red-88-8-217.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@14.red-88-8-217.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lnd 03:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@14.red-88-8-217.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@dynamic-046-114-146-078.46.114.pool.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 03:32 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@dynamic-046-114-146-078.46.114.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@98.red-79-156-78.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lnd 03:42 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:49 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:54 -!- Alzadoua [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has joined #lnd 04:21 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 04:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 04:25 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Client Quit] 04:27 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 04:40 < Emcy> activate ze pomp 04:41 < Emcy> get egon on ze line 04:41 < queip> !tlast 04:41 <@gribble> 19203.2 04:41 < queip> kurwa mać. 04:44 < Emcy> >Don’t be mistaken, all those so called “Bitcoin Maximalist” are buying Bitcoin Cash 💵 on the side. 04:46 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@98.red-79-156-78.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 05:09 -!- lesless [~lessless@77.75.149.60] has joined #lnd 05:09 -!- molz_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 05:12 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:17 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@232.red-176-85-184.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lnd 05:19 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 05:20 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth opened pull request #4801: [logging] add more logging for failed payment shards (master...router-lifecycle-logs) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4801 05:20 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 05:21 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 05:24 -!- molz_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:24 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 05:26 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:32 < Emcy> ;;tlast 05:32 <@gribble> 19310.91 05:32 < Emcy> sweaty 05:42 < buZz> oh gee 05:42 < buZz> .price bch btc 05:42 < deb0rah> binance 0.01806300 [+12.88%] | bittrex 0.01803373 [+12.16%] | southxchange 0.01762404 [+10.32%] | livecoin 0.01697282 [+7.00%] | hitbtc 0.01778800 [+11.46%] | bleutrade 0.01732747 [+25.07%] | graviex 0.01952310 [+19.66%] | poloniex 0.01754190 [+9.17%] | kraken 0.01801000 [+12.35%] | 05:42 < buZz> .price btc usd 05:42 < deb0rah> graviex 18000.00010000 [-2.70%] | bitstamp 19240.64 [+3.39%] | gdax 19231.03 [+3.34%] | bittrex 19209.67000000 [+3.23%] | hitbtc 19204.12000000 [+3.27%] | livecoin 18700.00000000 [+2.07%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 19222.10000 [+3.37%] | bitfinex 19199.00000000 [+3.40%] | southxchange 05:42 < deb0rah> ..18523.07030100 [-1.03%] | 05:43 < buZz> guess they miss the 0.02 level :P 05:45 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@31.14.40.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50 < queip> bcashers 2018 YOU NEED TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME 05:50 < queip> bcashers 2020 haha silly bitcoiners "numers go up" 05:54 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:55 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 05:58 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@31.14.40.19] has joined #lnd 06:07 < Emcy> rbtc today https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.VLke4nu9TZcaRwslzaZTAwHaIW 06:07 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (474 x 534) ] 06:08 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:08 < buZz> lol 06:31 -!- Kaell [~Kaell@c-73-169-175-105.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:31 -!- Kaell [~Kaell@c-73-169-175-105.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:59 -!- tralfaz [~davterra@68.235.43.94] has joined #lnd 07:01 -!- davterra [~davterra@68.235.43.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02 < queip> how do you bring blockchain to mostly offline wallet? and how do you save TX from wallet into a file to be moved to online wallet? 07:05 < Emcy> what 07:06 < belcher> queip theres discussion here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Cold_storage 07:06 < Entitlement> belcher - [ Cold storage - Bitcoin Wiki ] 07:06 -!- dermoth_ [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has joined #lnd 07:06 < belcher> usb sticks, qr codes, transcribing by hand are listed there 07:07 < belcher> obviously the last one doesnt seem very practical 07:07 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:07 -!- dermoth_ is now known as dermoth 07:08 < queip> if possible I would like the offline node to do full validation/sync. it is prunned. so I need some --import-blocks-from-this-dir-instead-from-internet 07:08 < queip> import&validate (and calculate utxo) 07:08 < queip> both wallets are bitcoin core. the online one is not prunned obviously, offline is prunned 07:08 < belcher> offline nodes cant sync, you need some connection to the outside world 07:09 < queip> belcher: you can bring it blocks over usb or (more secure I guess) DVDs/BRs 07:09 < belcher> btw, hashrate seems to be dropping 07:09 < belcher> the last 6 blocks had an average interval of 21m instead of 10m 07:10 < rabidus> :D 07:10 < queip> why would that be O_o 07:10 < rabidus> hint: it's not 07:12 < queip> grubles: can bitcoind read additional files as source of blocks (untrusted - to be verified)? I assume satelite receiving uses something like that too 07:37 < belcher> 6 block interval average back down to 10m 07:37 < belcher> looks like the network just got unlucky 07:50 -!- tralfaz is now known as davterra 08:00 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-118.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 08:10 < queip> price is too damn high rn. Can we all take to twitter, and like, write we are all now convinced CSW actually is satoshi and we will move 80% into BSV position? too birds with one stone 08:13 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:15 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has joined #lnd 08:18 -!- MavropaliasG [~alpha@122-151-126-148.sta.dodo.net.au] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:18 -!- lesless [~lessless@77.75.149.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 08:47 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 08:51 < grubles> queip: https://github.com/Blockstream/bitcoinsatellite/wiki#satellite-reception 08:51 < Entitlement> grubles - [ Home · Blockstream/bitcoinsatellite Wiki · GitHub ] 08:57 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2a88:96ec:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 < grubles> there's a ton of content there actually 09:16 < grubles> it's great 09:19 < Emcy> gmaxwell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaCc5VUHS8 09:20 < gmaxwell> Emcy: hi! 09:20 < Emcy> hi 09:20 < gmaxwell> people on rbtc are aggitating for blockchair to put up some banner against taproot. 09:21 < Emcy> lol 09:21 < Emcy> maybe they will 09:21 < queip> cool trick regarding backup, and possibly regarding running bitcoin on usb harddrives and such (though still this is a hard task) : option -integrity=hmac-sha256 to cryptsetup luksFormat 09:22 < queip> if you divide usb storage in hald, do this twice and them raid mirror on top, it might be actually quite secure against data damage 09:23 < gmaxwell> Emcy: if they do I wonder if we'll see an agressive move by bitcoin sites to drop blockchair. 09:24 < Emcy> bitcoiners always seem to polite to really stick the boot in 09:25 < Emcy> sometimes you got to crack some knuckles and crack some heads, you know 09:26 < gmaxwell> So! wright's attempt to get summary judgement in the case against McCormack failed. 09:28 < queip> CSW should get a summary thing himself, and not just judgement 09:30 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 09:31 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@232.red-176-85-184.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 < Emcy> gmaxwell but mccormack is still boned right 09:33 < Emcy> hes out of money 09:34 < queip> mby btcc community chips in, and he would pay back if he wins enough back 09:35 < queip> s/btcc/btc 09:44 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 09:44 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:44 < grubles> queip: wouldn't that just kill your flash drive with IO 09:46 < gmaxwell> Emcy: probably. 09:46 < gmaxwell> Emcy: but it seems like the judge isn't going to let him just get bent over purely due to that. 09:46 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@unaffiliated/ricks-/x-3439430] has joined #lnd 09:47 < Emcy> well thats terribly nice of him 09:47 < Emcy> to mandate vaseline like that 09:47 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@unaffiliated/ricks-/x-3439430] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@unaffiliated/ricks-/x-3439430] has joined #lnd 09:48 < Emcy> i could see mccormack becoming the poster child for the next libel reform push, whenever that happens 09:49 < Emcy> it will probably be sometime after bsv and craig explodes so it will be a matter of record then that he was a disgusting scammer pos during the whole thing 10:06 < queip> grubles: will anyway, but before it dies I at least know it dies ;) 10:06 < queip> (and for node it must be real ssd, or hdd) 10:12 < Emcy> bitcoin is running at about 15 thousand dollars of fees per block atm 10:12 < Emcy> thats good 10:13 < nkuttler> i read somewhere that people pay like 20% premium for freshly mined coins.. 10:13 < Emcy> perhaps 10:34 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@232.red-176-85-184.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lnd 10:51 < midnight> .price bsv btc 10:51 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.01086376 [+4.51%] | hitbtc 0.01086300 [+3.22%] | southxchange 0.01103344 [+1.51%] | 10:51 < midnight> lol 10:51 < midnight> *BARELY HOLDING ON* 10:51 < midnight> .price bch btc 10:51 < deb0rah> binance 0.01769300 [+3.64%] | bittrex 0.01775971 [+3.89%] | southxchange 0.01791881 [+4.27%] | livecoin 0.01757447 [+5.88%] | hitbtc 0.01756800 [+4.29%] | bleutrade 0.01732747 [+25.07%] | graviex 0.01952310 [+21.54%] | poloniex 0.01770000 [+3.42%] | kraken 0.01773000 [+10.61%] | 10:51 < midnight> har har 11:01 < belcher> over the last 36 blocks (~6 hours) more than 10% of miner income came from fees 11:04 < midnight> Holy crap, porter's a fireball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL6YHPqnQy4 11:04 < midnight> good for you, lady, kick some ass lol 11:12 < Emcy> she just wants to grill 11:12 < Emcy> idk how to work out the paypay loan APR but i know that shit is always in the thousands of % 11:13 < midnight> dunno how it's not illegal but anyway 11:13 < Emcy> also, its not my job to help and entire country understand and work it out, let alone do it myself 11:13 < midnight> lol 11:14 < Emcy> midnight i dont think it should be illegal, that would just push people to the loan sharks 11:14 < midnight> There's always something horribly wrong with situations like that. Like.. why not just work it out? Why sit there with this smug little fucking grin on her face pretending she's playing 3d chess with Spock by "not to play"? 11:14 < nkuttler> midnight: did you see? lukas submitted patches to lkml 11:14 < midnight> Emcy: those rates are extortionate. 11:15 < midnight> Emcy: The payday loans places won't go anywhere if the rates were mandated to be smaller. They make huge cash turning people into legal slaves. 11:15 < Emcy> yes but they wont break your face for not paying up in 2 weeks 11:15 < midnight> Emcy: no, they do what is sometimes worse: they bring the entire weight of the legal collections process to bear on you. 11:15 < Emcy> but people should be aware that if they need payday loans because theyre poor, payday loans are one of the things that is keeping them poor 11:16 < midnight> Emcy: that's not how poor people plan their week. :( 11:16 < Emcy> do you get povo porn TV over on the mainland? 11:17 < midnight> nkuttler: I did see how he was planning on it, yeah. :) He's really making a go of supporting his laptop. I've never quite seen anything so vigourous. 11:17 < midnight> What's povo porn tv? 11:17 < Emcy> we have these daytime tv shows that are basically baliffs going around fucking people up for not paying 11:18 < Emcy> its like half shouting and half weeping 11:18 < Emcy> its poverty porn. as a class based society its quite popular 11:18 < midnight> With a loan shark, you have the legal system that you *theoretically could* rely on to protect you. 11:18 < midnight> With payday loans you have nothing. 11:19 < midnight> nkuttler: I love how he wanted to make sure kicad could be used on the system he used it to design. 11:19 < midnight> nkuttler: You know he's an Amiga fan from a billion years ago? 11:20 < nkuttler> midnight: haha, yeah, his feed is full of it 11:20 < midnight> nkuttler: It's amazing. People like that are definitely red button.. 11:20 < nkuttler> i should send him the pic of amiga game manuals i have.. 11:20 < midnight> nkuttler: I have some c64 manuals and game instruction books somewhere. 11:21 < nkuttler> nice! 11:21 < nkuttler> the c64 manual was awesome 11:22 < midnight> I have the programmer's reference manual too 11:22 < midnight> The holy bible of c64 programming which I've yet to really see the equal of. 11:22 < nkuttler> hm, not sure i had that one. i think the basic manual had all the memory segments laid out and such? 11:23 < midnight> almost the whole thing, guts, electronics, a fold-out schematic, chip descriptions, the works. 11:23 < midnight> iirc.. 11:23 < midnight> actully I haven't looked at it in like 30 years. 11:24 < nkuttler> why would you.. unless you're writing an emulator i guess 11:24 < nkuttler> though the demoscene might still use some c64s i imagine 11:28 < midnight> Demoscene alive and well! ha ha 11:29 < midnight> They're doing fullscreen, cartridge-mediated movie playing on it. 11:29 < Emcy> dithering is magic 11:31 < Emcy> midnight dev explains how they put FMV on a mega drive cartridge back in the day https://youtu.be/c-aQvP7CUAI 11:32 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2a88:96ec:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #lnd 11:32 < midnight> nkuttler: Did I share the link to the macross video playing on a c64? https://twitter.com/sensasonic/status/1206893021461143552 11:34 < nkuttler> haha. 32M is kind of cheating 11:34 < nkuttler> but impressive that you can pipe that much through the system 11:35 < queip> we need a demoscene for bean eater's VGA card 11:35 < midnight> Emcy: nice 11:35 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #lnd 11:36 < midnight> There's this other kid who made a raw demo that manually outputs a VGA signal, music via raw output, and lives on.. like a PIC chip or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCqrylNY-0 11:37 < midnight> oh, atmega. my mistake. 11:37 < Emcy> wait that was the wrong video 11:37 < midnight> should've known an atmel would be behind the timing 11:37 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/IehwV2K60r8 the actual intro fmv 11:40 < midnight> I love that atmel timing is so precise it can be used to break other chips through.. timing attacks. <3 them norwegians sure did neat stuff 11:46 < midnight> That LFT gets standing ovations everytime he does anything. 11:46 < midnight> *lft guy 11:49 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 11:49 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth merged pull request #4801: [logging] add more logging for failed payment shards (master...router-lifecycle-logs) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4801 11:49 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 11:49 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 11:49 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/7f9f4a7c8d46...ef503bf14e66 11:49 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 4d645ef Johan T. Halseth: htlcswitch: add debug logs for fetching network result 11:49 < lnd-bot> lnd/master f8493a7 Johan T. Halseth: routing: define errShardHandlerExiting 11:49 < lnd-bot> lnd/master df049ad Johan T. Halseth: routing: promote shard logs on resume and terminal failure to Info 11:49 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 12:07 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 12:07 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 12:13 < Emcy> >Julian's been told that 49 prisoners and 15 staff on his house block (or wing) have tested positive for COVID after all prisoners on the house block were tested last week. 12:14 < Emcy> they know he has a chronic lung problem 12:14 < Emcy> just take him out and shoot him you cowards 12:15 < queip> he's in USA now? 12:18 < Emcy> belmarsh 12:23 < queip> dunno why didn't Trump taken him out. Same as with chance to pass stronger freedoms for press (and break up fake social platforms), crypto, guns etc 12:23 < queip> taken him out of UK, and then pardon him in USA, for example 12:31 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2a88:96ec:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:33 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:44 < queip> .price bch btc 13:44 < deb0rah> binance 0.01809600 [+5.57%] | bittrex 0.01816308 [+6.35%] | southxchange 0.01829970 [+6.49%] | livecoin 0.01798066 [+6.29%] | hitbtc 0.01798300 [+5.68%] | bleutrade 0.01732747 [+25.07%] | graviex 0.01750425 [-0.35%] | poloniex 0.01805714 [+5.35%] | kraken 0.01816000 [+7.20%] | 13:45 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 14:06 < queip> funny day today in bitcoin. So guy joins and is like "hi fellow bitcoiners, but how about testing PoS? what if they, I mean us, see how it works on ETH 2.0 next week" 14:07 < queip> you just have to wait and observe other big coins that are doing it I mean we, sorry 14:07 < queip> lols. 14:17 < belcher> you shouldve called the ops so we can ban those altcoiners 14:17 < queip> it was kind of general talk this time, I just show it coz that part seems funny :) 14:18 < queip> what was that paper about PoS flaws btw? need to bookmark such things 14:21 < belcher> maybe https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf 14:25 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has joined #lnd 14:26 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has joined #lnd 14:26 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@unaffiliated/ricks-/x-3439430] has quit [Quit: ricks_] 14:28 < waxwing> i was looking at that yesterday and it seemed like section 6.4 of https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf was an updated version, but andytoshi could obviously say 14:29 < andytoshi> hmm i think pos.pdf is the updated version, which should link to the original which is called old_pos.pdf or something 14:29 < andytoshi> and the blurb in alts.pdf is something in between 14:34 < andytoshi> iirc i started alts.pdf first, then spun out the PoS stuff into its own doc, because i had some hope of finishing that (i could never find the energy to keep up with alts ... even here i can't keep up with all the forks :)) 14:35 < andytoshi> and then a year later i tried to rewrite the PoS stuff because people complained about the lack of rigor, but tbh i think the result was just less snarky and less fun 14:37 < andytoshi> there isn't really a rigorous argument that PoS doesn't work because it boils down to incentives and human nature ... but i think the message has sunk in because PoS people now seem to have a really fundamentally broken worldview now 14:37 < andytoshi> and it didn't used to be so fundamental 14:38 < andytoshi> i was in a conversation with some of them a couple years ago, and i suggested that PoS-consensus was like the consensus on the text of the bible defined by 16th-century priests who held a monopoly on literacy 14:38 < andytoshi> i.e. sure everyone agrees on it, but they don't agree with what was believed a generation ago and there's no way in principle to verify this either way 14:39 < andytoshi> and the response was "yes! exactly!" followed by this bizarre ramble about how nobody cares what the bible *used* to say because that's not what christianity is about 14:40 < queip> if my unspent output is there then I kind of care. not sure how directly it ties to coins 14:41 < queip> so what is their world view on human nature? 14:41 < andytoshi> you should care about whether the coins you're transacting with came from an honest series of economic interactions 14:41 < andytoshi> or whether the fed printed them yesterday 14:41 < andytoshi> and just passed them into circulation 14:41 < andytoshi> queip: their world view is that there is no truth but the zeitgeist 14:42 < queip> then I'm confused, do they say that it doesn't matter how my unspent coins come into existance? 14:42 < andytoshi> and obviously PoS works perfectly fine in that model 14:42 < andytoshi> queip: yes. as long as your friends agree with you about how they came into existence 14:42 < queip> lol 14:42 < andytoshi> there is no necessary truth beyond that 14:44 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 14:47 < gmaxwell> "Coinbase Pro disables margin trading" 14:48 < gmaxwell> god knows how they thought that was legal in the first place. 14:50 < andytoshi> lol "poloniex was doing it first" 14:52 < gmaxwell> I guess they'll just be back to craming extremely sketchy ICOs at customers as a way of keeping the money firehose running. 14:53 < andytoshi> there they could at least argue that they shouldn't be liable for 100% of the losses 14:53 < andytoshi> since the ICO creators also had some culpability 14:53 < queip> friends called today "so should I go into ripple then" 14:54 < queip> I guess streets sees it's crypto season but many think they missed the train (again) 14:56 < gmaxwell> grubles: jochen finally figured out how to turn off the mempool limit on his eth node: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#2,24h 14:56 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Johoe's Bitcoin Mempool Size Statistics ] 14:57 < grubles> could coinbase turning off margin trading be due to a lack of liquidity? 14:57 < grubles> gmaxwell: i had no idea he had ETH on there 14:58 < gmaxwell> grubles: they say it's because the CFTC said no. Which is really unsurprising, nothing remotely as risky as the coinbase margin stuff is generally available to non-accredited investors. 14:59 < gmaxwell> grubles: graph seems to show that the ethereum node software is incompetent, mining the wrong transactions and hurting the profits of miners. 15:00 < gmaxwell> as you can see that basically all transactions seem to be mined that fit in the default mempool limit without regard to their feerate. 15:00 < gmaxwell> presumably it's mining stuff first come first serve. 15:00 < grubles> his node has some catching up to do. etherscan's node is at 137k txs. 15:00 < gmaxwell> he may not have it on a fast enough computer... 15:00 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 15:00 < gmaxwell> my understanding is that every block it has to revalidate every mempooled txn. 15:03 < grubles> or there just aren't many nodes 15:04 < grubles> last time i tried to sync a geth node it was hanging on for dear life to the one peer it got connected to 15:05 < grubles> i wonder what the monthly blockchain growth is for ethereum and what percentage it is of the new comcast data cap 15:07 < grubles> it's like 90 GB for a geth node 15:09 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@unaffiliated/ricks-/x-3439430] has joined #lnd 16:01 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, how does it even work, you cant evaluate whether a transaction is 'valid' until it's in a block 16:01 < phantomcircuit> that would seem to significantly complicate... everything 16:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 16:20 < kanzure> phantomcircuit: it's a *property* that ethereum has https://gist.github.com/karalabe/e1891c8a99fdc16c4e60d9713c35401f#gistcomment-3524688 16:20 < Entitlement> kanzure - [ Geth v1.9.17 Post Mortem · GitHub ] 16:21 < kanzure> and see https://gist.github.com/karalabe/e1891c8a99fdc16c4e60d9713c35401f#gistcomment-3525497 16:21 < Entitlement> kanzure - [ Geth v1.9.17 Post Mortem · GitHub ] 16:24 < waxwing> thanks for the link to that thread kanzure it does look rather interesting, if, a little involved. 16:27 < grubles> weird that the ethereum.org blog refers to the fork as a sidechain 16:29 < waxwing> which fork? this recent unintended one? 16:29 < grubles> yeah 16:29 < waxwing> yeah that's .. creative 16:29 < grubles> https://blog.ethereum.org/2020/11/12/geth_security_release/ 16:29 < Entitlement> grubles - [ Geth security release | Ethereum Foundation Blog ] 16:34 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-2-169.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35 < phantomcircuit> grubles, all of their language is misdirection 16:35 < phantomcircuit> words dont have definitions to them 16:38 < kanzure> in high school i remember getting upset when teachers told me words were defined by consensus, it just seemed dumb 16:39 < kanzure> who's consensus? why not just use a dictionary and say you're using that one? 16:39 < waxwing> language is proof of stake though, it's true :) 16:40 < queip> hieroglyphs on top of pyramids are more PoW ;) 16:41 < grubles> i asked karalabe on twitter. not holding my breath for a reply though. 16:43 -!- BitcoinLizard [~quassel@1381149-v113.1365-static.oswgilaa.metronetinc.net] has joined #lnd 17:04 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45 -!- BitcoinLizard [~quassel@1381149-v113.1365-static.oswgilaa.metronetinc.net] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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