--- Log opened Thu Nov 26 00:00:27 2020
00:04 < Emcy> midnight it probably wasnt him lol
00:04 < Emcy> if it was he fuckin sucks
00:05 < Emcy> https://www.planetside2.com/players/#!/5428990295193333137/
00:06 < Emcy> >top weapon: orion VS54
00:06 < Emcy> o look another heavy main bitch
00:09 < midnight> ..  i got yer banshee right here, vitalik lol
00:10 < midnight> hope you got yer flak jacket on
00:11 < midnight> least he's out of the newbie buff
00:16 < Emcy> sorry but all airshitters will hang too
00:17 < Emcy> i used to be able to fuck guys like you off with my Archer, but then they nerfed the min damage from 300 to 200 and you cant put them on burning before they find you anymore
00:18 < Emcy> because anything that impinges on the whales sitting in their jets mulching squishies all day is addressed with TOP PRIORITY, while myriad annoying bugs go unfixed for years
00:25  * midnight shrugs
00:26 < midnight> One or two dedicated AA units and the bombers go away. I never understood why people don't just take on the role and fix the problem. The number of airshitters I wreck with one double-burster lockdown max is uncountable.
00:27 < midnight> But when it's close and the heavies pull out their who-needs-a-medic zero bullet-drop auto-figure-8'er fits, I mean they're asking to be corrected.
00:28 < queip> can't tell is it about AA military, the (not) guns, or quite rude comment on Indian air force (;
00:28 < queip> * India
00:29 < Emcy> yes they just go away, because you cant kill them
00:30 < Emcy> they just go away and bully the fuck out of some other ground fight. They dont even care who wins or loses as long as theyre killing squishies
00:30 < Emcy> i dont blame air mains though, i blame the devs for systematically nerfing anything that might actually infringe on their unfettered playstyle
00:31 < Emcy> because its the air mains that since >1000 dollars into the game for cosmetics and shit, and they keep the lights on. And if theyre not happy, theyre not spending.
00:31 < Emcy> and the devs can never admit that that is the case, obviously
00:32 < Emcy> i guess its unavoidable reality of the f2p business model
00:33 < Emcy> midnight but thats the point yes, its easy to make air go away, its almost impossible to actually kill a competent pilot with AA
00:33 < queip> !tlast
00:34 <@gribble> 16772.62
00:34 < Emcy> whoa
00:34 < Emcy> number go doooown
00:34 < queip> .price bch btc
00:34 < deb0rah> binance 0.01629100 [-9.09%] | bittrex 0.01629787 [-9.27%] | southxchange 0.01615736 [-10.21%] | livecoin 0.01590000 [-10.44%] | hitbtc 0.01630300 [-8.39%] | bleutrade 0.01569588 [-9.42%] | graviex 0.01750425 [0.00%] | poloniex 0.01618418 [-9.21%] | kraken 0.01633000 [-8.87%] |
00:35 < midnight> Emcy: I kill competent pilots all the time. There just needs to be two of us; and one holds fire for a bit so the velocity of the HP dump doesn't scare them off before the second one can add in the killing dps.
00:36 < midnight> Or a striker waiting. Or really just an AP lightning.
00:36 < midnight> the one-shots from the lightnings are a great deterrant to floating/waiting/banshee'ing.
00:37 < Emcy> yes another 2 problems. VS doesnt have strikers and TR doesnt have lancers. And NC has neither, its completely asymmetric.
00:37 < Emcy> and the AP lightning was never supposed to be AA at all
00:37 < Emcy> the game design aroud this just degenerates into sludge
00:39 < Emcy> there are almost no methods of attack that have the alpha damage to actually kill a ESF before it boosts away at the speed of light, and where there is, its asymmetric or it costs 350 nanites just to deal with 1 ESF [if you can hit the shot]
00:40 < Emcy> im salty af because i specifically put in effort to learn the archers bullet velocity feel to hit the fuckers reliably, then they nerfed the dmg
00:45 < midnight> Ehh...  I feel like the rock-paper-scissors portion of the game can be well-exploited just by a couple of teammates. Do you solo or are you always in a squad..?
00:45 < midnight> If you're in a squad, you should be immune to esf even if they're sniping.
00:46 < Emcy> do you remember the only new thing they introduced that actually annoyed pilots was the NS Swarm launcher in slow rocket mode?they even nerfed that eventually [rocket lifetime]
00:46 < Emcy> at least that was fun watching airshitters frantically hover dodging rockets that can turn 180 degrees instantly
00:46 < midnight> Swarm was always easy to dodge as an esf. The broken one is the annihilator which curves up around hills and stuff. :(
00:50 < Emcy> i think theyve changed the tracking method on that one from following to leading
00:50 < Emcy> or maybe theother way around
00:50 < midnight> When.Dodging.Behind.The.Hill.Does.Nothing.jpg
00:50 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/eA585QNNbh0?t=35 mxing fast and slow rockets can psych out pilots sometimes but its a pain
00:52 < queip> so is Brain Armstrong good or not
00:52 < midnight> That guy is dodging incorrectly. :(
00:52 < Hash> Why do you think bitcoin is dropping?
00:52 < Hash> so fast
00:53 < nkuttler> more supply, less demand
00:53 < nkuttler> man, i should be on tv
00:53 < Hash> You wanna?
00:53 < nkuttler> how much does it pay?
00:53 < Hash> Go for it, man. You make your YT channel and I will watch it
00:53 < queip> dead cat  bounce
00:53 < Hash> I dunno
00:53 < Hash> How much do people make on youtube?
00:55 < rabidus> make out?
00:57 < midnight> Emcy: just need a little transverse because direction changes more slowly when the swarms are moving more quickly-- so, let them gather speed, which means you have to fly towards them and a little off centre; they fly behind you, they slow down, turn, then accelerate, you turn towards them again, and ab slightly off-centre so they continue to gather speed, and as long as you're including the
00:57 < midnight> origin as one of your turning loci, as far as I can tell you can dodge an unlimited number of swarm; you can even guide them higher to the upper altitudes so the slower ones still  miss you.
00:58 < Emcy> yes you can doge them indefinitely if you keep them bunched up, but thats why they nerfed rocket lifetime
00:59 < midnight> *one time* I watched an esf pilot collect enough of them that he could use the swarms following him to smash an enemy galaxy but I think it was just a flash of inspiration and buddy didn't try it again
01:00 -!- Hash is now known as chown
01:01 < midnight> gal pilot shouting at the glockers to knock it off until his gunners could scare the esf away lol
01:02 < midnight> love humans sometimes. :)
01:04 < midnight> Emcy: HAHA  the valk crushed him
01:05 < midnight> He didn't dodge, he assumed it wasn't going to happen ahhh ha ha
01:05 < midnight> I like this video
01:06 < midnight> Emcy: I have some footage of some *crushing* death potato runs. competent valk pilots are so great
01:07 < Emcy> good valk pilots are pretty rare
01:07 < midnight> Emcy: I was in this lib once, in a 2-lib mini-squadron, six people, totally filled with above-average people, but it was VS and the libs were unfamiliar with the death potato style.
01:07 < Emcy> its rare to even see the non default guns on them
01:07 < Emcy> but even the Wyvern is pretty good if it has zoom optics
01:07 < midnight> Emcy: I saw two valks coming up on us, and I recognized them as my TR-side outfit.
01:07 < midnight> And I told the two lib pilots, "Guys, I know this is going to sound weird, but we have to run now. No, really. Run."
01:08 < midnight> Four other people laughing at me.
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01:08 < midnight> it was so stupid..
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01:08 < Emcy> yeah those striker valks...
01:08 < Emcy> see only TR can do striker valks
01:08 < midnight> Four people laughing, and one quiet guy. "Okay, I mean give it a shot but I'm telling you, I'm going to jump and you're all going to die."
01:08 < Emcy> its too asymmetric
01:10 < midnight> It totally isn't lol TR have nerfed guns with bullet drop and massive bloom; TR prowlers can't toe-to-toe with any other MBT; TR mosi can't out-manoeuvre either of the other fac and so have to straight-line them; TR max suit can't toe-to-toe NC no matter how they fit it now with gorgons nerfed.
01:10 < midnight> They literally have like..  two or three combinations that are unbeatable, and they're so slow-moving they can't do squat.
01:12 < Emcy> what....NC max is nerfed into the GROUND
01:12 < midnight> what the heck
01:12  * midnight smacks the crack out of emcy hands
01:12 < Emcy> have they not updated console versino in over 2 years or something
01:12 < midnight> we have bastion and colossus now..?
01:12 < Emcy> they even removed slugs
01:13 < midnight> the NC shotgun max thing can be beaten toe-to-toe in PC now?
01:13 < Emcy> hacksaw range is now about 2 feet
01:14 < midnight> It's unstoppable on PS4 still. Totall yunbeatable. A lockdown double-gorgon can't even kill it, you have to headshot with a double uh..  whats that gun now, the chaingun thing.
01:14 < Emcy> scattercannons are merely OK now
01:14 < midnight> whaaaaat
01:14 < midnight> I WISH
01:14 < Emcy> mattocks are all thats left thats even mildly viable
01:15 < Emcy> the only thing nc max has left going for it is the aegis sheild, but that got a de facto nerf because its server side network and the servers RTT permanenetly increased >20ms a while ago
01:16 < Emcy> nc max used to trash vs and tr max every time, so they 'fixed' it by making nc the one that gets trashed now
01:16 < Emcy> restorative justice or some shit?
01:17 < midnight> Nobody even bothers with a gorgon now because it was nerfed so bad. Originally, on release you could equip a double-gorgon and toe-to-toe any other max except another double-gorgon.
01:17 < midnight> And that was kind of the point. It was crappy as an AI, but if you wanted to clear out enemy max, it was the go-to.
01:18 < midnight> *That* is the solution. Burn the nanites to rock-paper-scissors and you fix the balance.
01:18 < Emcy> yeah guess why they nerfed the gorgon :)))))
01:18 < Emcy> go on guess
01:19 < midnight> it was killing light armor vehicles?
01:19 < Emcy> it was killing jets
01:19 < midnight> lockdown double-gorgon was so awesome
01:19 < midnight> whaaat?  it totally wasn't wtf.
01:19 < midnight> the damage drop-off made it impossible to kill esf.
01:19 < Emcy> they wernt reacting to it like they react to flak
01:19 < midnight> Was that the reason?!
01:20 < midnight> love to read that changelog..
01:20 < Emcy> they dont admit it do that
01:20 < midnight> srsly, gorgon drop-off made it impossible to kill esf, it was useless except for up-close light armor-- like max, harasser, or I guess esf or valk that got too close.
01:21 < midnight> bullet velocity also blew
01:21 < midnight> Emcy: When was the last time you saw the la/max combined glitch in PC?
01:23 < Emcy> it still exists
01:24 < midnight> I thought so. It's remarkable how many PC players I talk to have never seen it. :(
01:24 < Emcy> its rare
01:24 < Emcy> you should buy a ps5 so you can actually play the game properly
01:24 < Emcy> or better yet a PC
01:24 < midnight> ps players triggers it *all the time*.  freekin' flying max suit like wtf
01:25 < midnight> Eh the clientside hit detection thing gives players in new zealand and qos a permanent advantage. Can't stand the idea of putting money into a ps5 just to watch them one-clip me while looking the other direction. :(
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01:27 < midnight> Emcy: help me convince CD projekt to add in more matrix-only minigame content for programmers or.. like trading hubs and stuff. :)
01:29 < Emcy> you know that the game engine is fucky such that more framerate = more DPS right
01:29 < midnight> Emcy: tell me you don't love the infinite range of the pounder though
01:29 < Emcy> everyone playing at 60fps should hve a huge advantage over everyone on 30
01:29 < Emcy> it not trivial either, its like 20% sometimes
01:30 < midnight> Emcy: it wouldn't surprise me that overclockers are the reason why a couple of the douchebags in ps4 piloting are consistently able to out-dps people
01:30 < midnight> Like why else would they be talking about their ps4 overheating all the time "mexico heat" gimme a break
01:31 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/4cXekLslYpY it affects higher rof guns more
01:32 < midnight> Emcy: :-C  You're making me sad
01:33 < midnight> what the hell man..
01:33 < midnight> Is that stil the case?
01:35 < midnight> wowwwww. No, I didn't know that.
01:36 < Emcy> its endemic to all networked game engines
01:37 < Emcy> but it affects this game so much because its so cpu heavy
01:37 < Emcy> i get like 35fps in a 300 man shitfight with zen2 chip
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01:38 < midnight> hrm. Doesn't seem like there's a clean way to overclock ps4. Maybe with a devkit of some sort.
01:42 < Emcy> jut buy a pc...
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01:46  * queip strokes hair while looking @ midnight in sad and a bit condescending way
01:46 < queip> it is never too late
01:50 < midnight> I have game-worthy PC hardware; just not interested in going down that road again.
01:50 < midnight> And I mean..  windows. So.
01:51 < Emcy> then suffer in silence
01:51 < midnight> bah
01:51 < midnight> I'm still enjoying the game. :-P
01:52 < queip> is windows that bad as a gaming console?
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01:53 < Emcy> consoles practically are pcs now anyway
01:53 < midnight> It's microsoft. You might as well be walking around inside a random decommissioned 1950s nuclear reactor. Is that pipe gonna kill me today? Maybe I should wear another dosimeter badge just in case..
01:53 < Emcy> xbox literally runs windows 10 with a new shell
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01:54 < Emcy> even the first xbox ran some nt kernel fork
01:54 < midnight> Where's all that seawater going, anyway?
01:54 < queip> midnight: but what do you mean kill me
01:54 < queip> it's a gaming console
01:54 < queip> the worst damage it can do is that game will not load for you this day
01:55 < queip> or lose saves I guess,  but steam cloud is a thing and so are backups
01:55 < Emcy> ;;tlast
01:55 < Emcy> ;tlast
01:55 < queip> !tlast
01:55 < queip> this is how we know the street is interested
01:55 < Emcy> even the bot cant bear it
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01:56 < queip> .price btc usd
01:56 < deb0rah> graviex 16567.00000000 [-17.16%] | bitstamp 16968.64 [-11.50%] | gdax 16965.99 [-11.47%] | bittrex 16976.53000000 [-11.50%] | hitbtc 16949.40000000 [-11.53%] | livecoin 16938.99100000 [-9.95%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 16967.40000 [-11.55%] | bitfinex 17056.00000000 [-11.03%] |
01:56 < deb0rah> ..southxchange 16539.17820000 [-10.71%] |
01:56 < Emcy> this is a pink wojak day
01:57 < Emcy> its over
01:57 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/BkX2NAKFM5Q
01:57 < queip> >bans your crypto     nothing personnel kid
01:57 < queip> lmao
01:58 < queip> what is up with this cool rumors? anyway I hope they continue all the way to at least 12K, or maybe even sub 10K
01:59 < midnight> .price btc usd
01:59 < deb0rah> graviex 16567.00000000 [-17.16%] | bitstamp 17030.00 [-11.18%] | gdax 17038.99 [-11.09%] | bittrex 17019.84900000 [-11.27%] | hitbtc 16985.08000000 [-11.34%] | livecoin 16955.00000000 [-9.87%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 17032.00000 [-11.21%] | bitfinex 17084.00000000 [-10.88%] |
01:59 < deb0rah> ..southxchange 17085.27602100 [-7.76%] |
01:59 < midnight> lol what the heck is graviex
01:59 < midnight> scamchange
02:00 < midnight> queip: It's an analogy. :-D Microsoft's crap has been pwning people for so many decades greenspan himself is jealous
02:01 < midnight> kissinger tells stories of his youth back when microsoft wasn't around to screw people, and people have to correct him that microsoft was around before he was born
02:01 < midnight> and he just goes harumph and looks sadly down at his morning grapefruit
02:02 < midnight> .. because his wife didn't cut both side of that one section .. and anyway his boiled egg is cold.
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02:09 < queip> Under Joe Biden’s proposed gun control plan, American gun owners would cough up tens of billions dollars in taxes as millions of rifles and magazines now in their possession would be subject to a tax under the National Firearms Act.
02:10 < nkuttler> ah, corporate democrats. tax the consumer, not the producer. got it
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02:35 < Emcy> https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1606383860169.png
02:35 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (1057 x 999) ]
02:36 < queip> >canadian >crypto taxed at 50% >50 FUCKING PERCENT ON CAPITAL GAINS
02:36 < queip> what? this dude is just high right?
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02:40 < queip> which country that's possible to make LTD in is best for (lack of) capital gain taxes?  like, to open company in just to play btc.   and one day get out the possible gains
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02:41 < Emcy> https://blog.coinbase.com/upcoming-story-about-coinbase-2012afc25d27
02:41 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ An upcoming story about Coinbase. In the spirit of transparency, we’re… | by Coi... ]
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02:42 < Emcy> >It’s now clear that the story will allege that several Black employees had negative experiences at Coinbase over the last few years.
02:43 < Emcy> this is payback for coinbase buying out the contracts of all those wokie staffers
02:43 < Emcy> NYT rat bastards
02:43 < Emcy> i knew they couldnt just let that slide. They never let defiance of the new orthodoxy slide, i know from personal experience
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02:43 < queip> maybe best move to ignore all race baiters and professionally oppressed and their silly Vice blogs
02:44 < Emcy> so tired of this fucking cult hat has suffused every corner of society
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05:09 < Emcy> >Yes, and they come here and see 25 front page posts of pure toxic, tribal cringe from you that does make the BCH crowd look desperate and cringey.
05:09 < Emcy> the more level headed among them, such as they are, are not happy egon came back lol
05:09 < Emcy> of course he received a personal welcome from roger and thats all that matters
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05:16 < Emcy> >People defending Egon is one of the most damning things I've ever seen about this sub
05:16 < Emcy> >I for one like the content he posts. Keep it up Egon_1
05:16 < Emcy> the duality of man
05:24 < queip> kek at stupid Egon shilling for PoS now
05:25 < queip> are they preparing for such move as their hashrate circles the drain? merge mining is much better
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05:29 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnhgjesXIAULsNs?format=jpg&name=orig
05:29 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (1200 x 628) ]
05:29 < Emcy> you guys ever notice how every techy company uses this artstyle
05:30 < Emcy> this shit that looks like it came out of a nursery book
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05:48 < Veggen> queip: a more trusted sidechain to bitcoin for low-fee, high-capacity transactions really makes much more sense than BCH.
05:54 < Veggen> what I feel dishonest about all the BCH crowd? They're not saying "we evaluated the tradeoff and it was worth it to us". They say "*there* is no tradeoff. We can scale on-chain without any negative consequences".
05:54 < gmaxwell> ^+1
05:56 < gmaxwell> Also that they are the 'real bitcoin' as a result. Maybe with abc gone they will be more honest in their behavior towards their claims: under abc they wouldn't increase their maximum block size beyond 32MB (and default soft limit beyond 4MB)
05:56 < queip> gmaxwell: with ver and egon onboard? doubt it.
05:57 < gmaxwell> ver has repeadily said they need "more scaling" -- and unfortunately for them, 'scaling' in their community is the same thing as blocksize.
05:57 < queip> though some fraction of self reflection is somewhere there
05:57 < Veggen> gmaxwell: yes, because they *know* that Satoshi "was always going to raise the blocksize", but ironically, the quote they use for proof is in direct response to someone who wanted it done *now*, while Satoshi said "we can do it later if/when we decide to".
05:59 < Veggen> ...and I don't even care all that much what Satoshi thought 10+ years ago.
06:00 < gmaxwell> yep, and they also misrepresnt the positions of bitcoin folks as believing it could never be changed, especially ironic when segwit did so... just not something they see as an incremental step to no limit.
06:01 < Veggen> well. But math and economics is not their largest advantage. I guess a lot of it makes sense if you see it as "PoW-based paypal", though.
06:02 < Veggen> which in and itself isn't that bad an idea, it's just not bitcoin ;P
06:02 < gmaxwell> also claim that the limit was an 'anti-spam' feature, yet from the very beginning the software already had perfectly adequate anti-spam features which is why there were no 1MB spamblocks early on.
06:03 < gmaxwell> Veggen: well pow-paypal is kind of redundant, it's like "paypal but worse security" but I agree that it's a thing someone could build and I'd wish them luck at it.
06:03 < gmaxwell> I wonder how many cahies are like dw1 and don't even own any.
06:03 < gmaxwell> (or own only $100 worth or whatever)
06:06 < Veggen> I wonder how many has left the space after being fooled by them, losing a large chunk of their crypto value.
06:07 < gmaxwell> well that seems clear, if you flip back to rbtc threads from two years ago a significant fraction (simple majority?) of the pro bch posters are inactive, not posting about cryptocurrency at all anymore, or account deleted.
06:07 < gmaxwell> so either they gave up or they were just temp shill accounts all along.
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06:10 < rebelution> luke-jr ------->> [[ You are as hostile as a sad bag of filthy goatish rat balls ]] <<-------
06:11 < mol_> rebelution, go away
06:11 < rebelution> mol_ ------->> [[ You are as puny as an obnoxious zillion of nasty disgusting rat excretions ]] <<-------
06:12 < gmaxwell> huh weird. what the heck: check out this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/78vkdu/nearly_2_years_ago_i_wrote_about_blockstreams/doxe6b3/
06:12 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Nearly 2 years ago I wrote about Blockstream's business plan and how they will c... ]
06:12 < gmaxwell> but if you click on the user, its not shown on his list of comments.
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06:17 < gmaxwell> It's funny how some of them went on to shill other altcoins before getting wreaked there too and stopping posting, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/user/ferretinjapan
06:17 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ ferretinjapan (u/ferretinjapan) - Reddit ]
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06:31 < andytoshi> "now with abc gone" what does this mean? i thought abc was pretty-much the only maintained client
06:31 < andytoshi> lol how do you all keep up with this shit
06:32 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: so recently ABC decided that 8% of coinbase income (subsidy+fees) would be sent to an address they control to fund development (because they got tired of roger and bitmain trickling out money and only if they did what they wanted).
06:33 < andytoshi> ahh yes i remember this
06:33 < andytoshi> and i had thought at the time, ABC controls the network, i guess it's gonna happen
06:33 < andytoshi> but i assume you're typing right now, something different ..
06:33 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: this turned into a big circus, and a fork of abc called bchn was created by bitcoin-class and bitcoin-unlimited people (e.g. people with a track record of losing interest and abandoning software).
06:35 < gmaxwell> and it forked, and the bcha side of the fork is currently trading at $18  (vs $268 for the bchn side).
06:35 < andytoshi> oh wow
06:35 < andytoshi> that sounds fatal. you can't have the bitcoin-unlimited people as the stewards of your network
06:35 < gmaxwell> also most bcha hashpower is a dos attacker that wont mine any transactions and keeps putting taunts in their coinbase messages. (mostly their attack is ineffectual)
06:36 < andytoshi> say what you will about abc, deadalnix can write code and for some reason was willing to do so, for years
06:36 < gmaxwell> Yes, agreed.
06:36 < andytoshi> and as you say, the -unlimited people are not like that
06:36 < andytoshi> i hope the cashers don't come back to bitcoin..
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06:36 < gmaxwell> as I said in here months ago,  this is lose/lose for them: either they get a mockworthy 'tax' or they lose most (all?) of the people who are competent and willing to keep things going.
06:37 < andytoshi> i guess they'll have lost a lot of momentum, and the bitcoin community is pretty innoculated against ver and wright now
06:37 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: right. they're kinda screwed without strong bitmain support
06:37 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: I think there is good evidence that they wont... in that a lot of cashers have already given up and have not come to bitcoin.
06:37 < gmaxwell> (some have gone to other cryptocurrencies, eth, dash, monero mostly)
06:38 < andytoshi> heh
06:39 < gmaxwell> what might happen is that if bcha isn't successful enough the abc people will come back to bchn side. I wouldn't have believed this before but in the 11th hour before the fork, bitcoin-abc released a client for the bchn consensus though announced they wouldn't be maintaining it going forward.
06:42 < gmaxwell> I was really surprised by that. But maybe I shouldn't have been, some of the same people were saying that after s2x/btc1 was successful bitcoin developers would come grovling back to continue to support it.  I'm extremely confident that wouldn't have been true, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that it would be true for the people who were alleging the bitcoin developers would do it.
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06:49 < Emcy> no one even runs bcha: bchn edition now
06:51 < gmaxwell> not sure if thats true.
06:52 < gmaxwell> if I were an exchange that had been supporting bch, I absolutely would be running bchn-a for the moment.
06:53 < gmaxwell> bchn is a tremendous oppturnity for an outright scammer to come in and backdoor the shit.  And the three most prolific developers of bchn are only known by pseudonyms.
06:53 < Emcy> no the version of bcha that supports the bchn network
06:54 < Emcy> is it separate versions or just a runtime flag on the same version i guess
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06:58 < lnd-bot> [lnd] guggero opened pull request #4806: Fix Onion v2 support for Neutrino backends (master...neutrino-tor-fix) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4806
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07:11 < andytoshi> Emcy: right, greg is saying that the version of bcha for bchn is less likely to be malware than the "real" bchn client
07:11 < andytoshi> i think
07:12 < Emcy> o yea he did say that
07:12 < Emcy> once again my reading comprehension is trash
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08:37 < rebelution> luke-jr ------->> [[ You are as abhorrent as a gruesome terrifying heap of abhorrent pig pus ]] <<-------
08:37 < rebelution> gmaxwell ------->> [[ You are as absurd as a noxious shitload of horrible pig assholes ]] <<-------
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08:42 < Emcy> cool story bro
08:43 < rebelution> the coolest stories are always ones like mine:  true ones.
08:44 < Emcy> i got to say the new cast they did for Captain Pike in the new ST series is a dead ringer for the original actor from the 60s
08:44 < Emcy> who only did one episode [the pilot episode]
08:45 < Emcy> its really good
08:45 < gmaxwell> What series is this?
08:47 < Emcy> star trek: brave new worlds
08:47 < Emcy> technically a spin off of Discovery
08:47 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/dkiGeMPAUsY
08:48 < Emcy> ops i mean strange new worlds
08:49 < Emcy> an original series reboot mite indeed b cool
08:50 < Emcy> depends if they learned the lessons they needed to learn from what happened with Discovery
08:50 < rebelution> you can't get to the next series unless you finish Discovery.
08:50 < rebelution> Don't worry.
08:50 < Emcy> and maybe if alex kurtzman is still producing or not, the serial franchise murderer
08:50 < Emcy> he cant keep getting away with it...
08:55 < Emcy> even the cast for Pikes first officer is pretty good and authentic 60s aesthetic
09:09 < rebelution> spoiler alert:  the francise murderer gets away with it.
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10:37 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/k1eoi7/friends_i_need_an_advice/ annoying
10:37 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Friends, I need an advice. : btc ]
10:37 < Emcy> someone comes in asking for advice accepting BTC in their shop [on a subreddit called r/btc]
10:37 < Emcy> top comment is pointing them to rogers bcash managed ecosystem
10:37 < Emcy> ffffffffff
10:38 < gmaxwell> lol
10:38 < gmaxwell> fucking scammers
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10:45 < Emcy> ;tlast
10:45 < Emcy> ;;tlast
10:45 <@gribble> 16705.23
10:46 < Emcy> next run we will top ATH
10:47 < Emcy> .price bch btc
10:47 < deb0rah> binance 0.01541100 [-12.93%] | bittrex 0.01543144 [-12.86%] | southxchange 0.01556858 [-12.05%] | livecoin 0.01547012 [-10.32%] | hitbtc 0.01539600 [-13.00%] | bleutrade 0.01569588 [-9.42%] | graviex 0.01750425 [0.00%] | poloniex 0.01528983 [-13.27%] | kraken 0.01551000 [-12.57%] |
10:48 < grubles> is there a way to configure bitcoind to only accept incoming connections?
10:49 < grubles> trying to think if it's possible to create a onion service of a satellite node
10:50 < svenb> just use iptables to firewalling outgoing?
10:50 < grubles> yeah i guess
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11:18 < Emcy> looks like the annual tox thread is on /g/ once again and its already full of glowies sowing FUD
11:18 < Emcy> really suspicious
11:18 < Emcy> "the crypto has been shown to be broken" no source [its libsodium]
11:19 < Emcy> every one of the very frequent tox threads that used to happen after the snowden files was full of this disinfo shit
11:19 < gmaxwell> grubles: -noconnect
11:20 < gmaxwell> grubles: -noconnect -listen=1 should do what you want.
11:20 < gmaxwell> grubles: someone really needs to make a patch to the blocksat node code so it will delay fetching blocks from the network and only use the network if it falls behind.
11:20 < midnight> I've been using -connect=127.0.0.1 -nodns (etc)
11:20 < midnight> I didn't even know you could -noconnect.
11:20 < gmaxwell> -connect=0 also works.
11:23 < midnight> ah neat
11:35 < queip> is the reboot where picard is angry and mad at everyone and also has hots for Data
11:35 < gmaxwell> no, thats picard.
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11:36 < gmaxwell> Also picard always had the hots for data.
11:36 < gmaxwell> (by hots I mean he regarded data like a son)
11:36 < queip> anyway is there anything worth watching, besides TNG - the best climate, despite story sometimes dropping naive early stage communism ideas here and there lol
11:36 < Emcy> yeah he was always tsundere for data
11:37 < queip> hurr our world moved past money and resources and all durr
11:37  * queip also Picard: negotiates buying a god damn worm hole [exit]
11:38 < Emcy> luxury space communism works in star trek because they have matter replicators bro
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11:38 < gmaxwell> I dunno I think startrek not having money is kinda like movies/tv characters never using the bathroom.
11:38 < gmaxwell> It lets them focus on different stuff to not have to consider economics.
11:38 < queip> Emcy: unless they also have time and space replicator...
11:38 < queip> gmaxwell: that Im cool with, but they really said such things. though just at like 2 or 3 occasions
11:39 < gmaxwell> yes, but mostly their lack of money was like the lack of bathrooms. :) just omitted.
11:40 < Emcy> yeah its not some kind of statement
11:40 < gmaxwell> well maybe a little bit of one. :)
11:40 < Emcy> well yes but its not in your face
11:41 < gmaxwell> any kind of multi planet space fairing story that includes money/economics usually ends up being almost entirely about money/economics.
11:41 < Emcy> im down for luxury space communism too dont get me wrong
11:41 < Emcy> but ST has addressed the concept of money for sure queip, ever heard of gold pressed latinum
11:41 < gmaxwell> Even in something like the expanse, most of the plot turns on economic warfare between the belt/earth/mars.
11:42 < Emcy> the gold is 'worthless', its just used to encase and carry the latinum which is a rare liquid metallic element that cannot be replicated for some reason
11:42 < queip> I don't recall it
11:42 < Emcy> dilithium cannot be replicated either, so they deal with the concept of scarcity in general too
11:42 < gmaxwell> yeah, in DS9 it plays a major role.
11:42 < gmaxwell> (latinum)
11:43 < Emcy> queip https://youtu.be/S6QdY6YDfj0
11:43 < gmaxwell> but thats mostly because they want to include the ferengi and a trading race doesn't make a lot of sense in a post-scarcity enviroment. :P  (or worse, you'd have to present them as trading in things you cannot buy for money--  corruption, murder, etc.)
11:44 < queip> but I liked the episode about altcoins and forkcoins tho
11:44 < Emcy> gmaxwell the ferengi are post scarcity too, they just love money too much to give it up lol
11:45 < queip> what the fuck
11:45 < queip> tng episode - sign in to confirm your age
11:45 < queip> fuck you yt
11:46 < Emcy> YT is becoming very, very pushy about signing in now
11:46 < Emcy> now theres some new nag one the video itself and i have to hammer it 3 or 4 times to get it to go away
11:47 < queip> and they are still begging to install their trial for background music lol
11:47 < svenb> Yup, i used to watch "public enemy - fuck the police" all year, and then yesterday, they are like "this is age restricted, sign in to view"
11:47 < Emcy> they already know who i am, different computers in this house get the exact same video recommendations
11:47 < Emcy> tso hey can piss off
11:49 < gmaxwell> queip: maybe you got a login because fuck tha police is a N.W.A. song? :P
11:49 < svenb> nope the new one is public enemy
11:49 < svenb> came out this year home slice
11:50 < svenb> yuo should check it out, its banging
11:50 < svenb> oh, i guess it came out a couple years ago, not up my Chuck D
11:51 < grubles> gmaxwell: oh thanks. i didn't know you could combine -noconnect and -listen=1
11:52 < svenb> in case you cant find the public enemy version:
11:52 < svenb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uol_qJvT-WM&has_verified=1&ab_channel=JxCxFx
11:53 < grubles> although i guess combining them still doesn't get what i want
11:53 < gmaxwell> grubles: yeah, in any case where one setting implies another one it can be explicitly overridden
11:53 < gmaxwell> grubles: why not? if you -noconnect -listen=1 you will make no outbound connections, inbound only.
11:54 < grubles> yeah but if you have inbound connections you'll just relay the blocks + transactions to the other inbound connections right?
11:55 < grubles> instead of the onion sat node only relaying the data it received via blocksat
11:55 < gmaxwell> right. you want a special "passive sat mode", where it avoids fetching things from the internet but will still serve to it (and maybe still fetch if blocksat falls too far behind)
11:55 < grubles> yeah
11:56 < grubles> wonder how difficult it would be to patch bitcoin satellite to do that cc igorfreire_ :-)
11:56 < gmaxwell> yeah, I've suggested it you should too.. it's also the setting people should want when trying to minimize bandwidth usage but not take an uptime hit if the sat is down.
11:57 < gmaxwell> it woudl be really easy to ignore block and transaction announcements completely. But it would be better to delay them for N minutes, so it'll still fetch if the sat is down.
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11:59 < grubles> hm yeah good point re: bandwidth usage
11:59 < grubles> all the more important now since comcast is putting a data cap on everyone
12:02 < grubles> couldn't you just limit it to block headers too
12:04 < gmaxwell> sure you'd have it send and recieve headers.
12:05 < gmaxwell> but I think it would still make sense to have a block timeout after which it'll fetch a block from p2p if it hasn't come in over sat
12:05 < gmaxwell> and just set it to 60 seconds or whatever and it'll always get it over sat unless the sat is down.
12:06 < gmaxwell> bonus: if it knows the sat is down (e.g. no packets at all for a second), just fetch from p2p.
12:07 < gmaxwell> the delay created by the sat will also make it usually not serve blocks to peers if they have another source.
12:08 < grubles> i'd love to see that get implemented
12:08 < svenb> i heard that elon musk wanted to doge coin over spacelink satellites, did u get in touch
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12:09 < grubles> it's like silent running for a submarine
12:10 < gmaxwell> grubles: certantly if it was I'd be more proactive about keeping my blocksat node running. :P as it is, I don't really gain anything from it except geek points.  With that mode it would at least save bandwidth.
12:11 < grubles> sir, geek points are everything
12:13 < gmaxwell> yeah, but you get 99% of them for setting it up in the first place. :P
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12:15 < grubles> yeah true. diminishing returns...
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12:28 < buZz> why did someone remove this ban? /mode +b *!*@*googleusercontent.com <---
12:29 < buZz> there is zero reason anyone would need to irc from there
12:29 < chmod> Morning
12:31 < gmaxwell> buZz: my logs don't show it having been banned during the last couple months at least.
12:31 < buZz> yeah it was at least 2019 somewhere
12:31 < buZz> sam the idiot used those free vps-s before
12:35 < gmaxwell> so the reason someone might use that is because people like to irc from a stable bouncer... and for some reason all bouncer instructions online have people purchase a vps... rather than just have a rpi or whatever at home.
12:44 < nkuttler> um, i use a vps to be independent from my home internet connection
12:44 < nkuttler> though i should just get a second line, i know
12:48 < midnight> the second-tier (who used to be first-tier) vps should be fine
12:49 < midnight> this is terrifying https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bEkroJol4xCPAafrsOaaPz06ZRlYkGz2LPLyaGuY5-c/edit#gid=1272447374
12:49 < Entitlement> midnight - [ The Survey of Deviant Ideas (Responses) - Google Sheets ]
12:55 < gmaxwell> midnight: better if you give a context, this was a survey of lesswrong users about things they strongly believe to be true but which they can't express without getting in trouble.
12:55 < gmaxwell> midnight: my characterization: https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/k0r7sv/lesswrongers_worry_about_future_unfriendly/
12:55 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Lesswrongers worry about future "unfriendly" machine intelligences but should pe... ]
12:56 < midnight> gmaxwell: jesus christ, it's horrifying
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12:59 < midnight> gmaxwell: Do you think even a majority of those is just made-up to make the lesswrong'ers look back?
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13:10 < pipirella> when moon
13:10 < gmaxwell> midnight: I don't think it was anyone trying to make them look bad.
13:10 < midnight> gmaxwell: you think a strict majority were being honest?
13:11 < gmaxwell> midnight: but I think the if you ask people for things they believe that they can't say, they'll automatically produce their most bullshit trolly "beliefs"
13:11 < midnight> It seems wild and surreal.
13:11 < midnight> Ah, so.. people lying to themselves.
13:11 < midnight> I see what you mean.
13:11 < gmaxwell> yes, like if you actually talked through the belief they'd drop it quickly.
13:12 < gmaxwell> but also I do think a lot of lesswronger people casually believe things like this.
13:12 < midnight> things like "cloud computing is a waste of resources" --  well yeah I agree. But holy crap. I don't think there's anything on that scale that I can sit back and honestly tell myself, "Yeah I believe $batshit_theory"
13:12 < gmaxwell> there is a whole subgroup of lesswronger effective altruist people who have convinced themselves that the most moral thing possible that mankind could do is kill all the wild animals, because their lives aren't worth living.
13:13 < midnight> seems to me the utility of the genetic diversity would be a huge loss
13:14 < gmaxwell> midnight: In the summary article I felt I didn't agree with a *single* thing in it, though kat pointed out some things were okay but when juxtaposed with so much terrible stuff I was probably using the least charatable interpertation.
13:14 < gmaxwell> midnight: it's just really awful bullshit. wild animals are fine. I don't think anyone who thinks their lives aren't worth living has ever spent time watching wild animals.
13:15 < gmaxwell> (or they're just being look-im-so-smart-you-can-tell-because-im-edgy)
13:16 < midnight> I'm going to assume that the article's purpose was an attempt to perform a dissonance cure.
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13:19 < Emcy> >I assume that every journalist has incentives that are significantly misaligned with my own. They are like used car salesmen but worse.					
13:19 < Emcy> but this is uncontroversial
13:19 < Emcy> come on wheres the real edgelord stuff
13:20 < midnight> 'We should be genetically engineering humanity to be superior, and sacrificing many lives to develop the science and engineering principles for it.'  <-- someone never read helstrom's hive
13:20 < Emcy> ok calm down khan
13:21 < Emcy> >Most adults born after 1980 in North America have been poisoned by [REDACTED]
13:21 < Emcy> oh ok this is just some scp brainstorming dox
13:22 < midnight> iunno is this qualifies as that: 'infanticide should be legal (up to age ~2-3)'
13:22 < midnight> *if this
13:23 < midnight> the survivors of that policy would burn the world down
13:24 < Emcy> >democracy is overrated
13:24 < Emcy> also uncontroversial
13:25 < Emcy> >pedophillia has no long term bad effects
13:25 < Emcy> yep theres the crazy shit
13:27 < gmaxwell> Emcy: the summary mashup is 0_o
13:27 < gmaxwell> Emcy: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kvxq4Nfxw5i8AyAKm/manifesto-of-the-silent-minority/
13:27 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Manifesto of the Silent Minority - LessWrong ]
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13:29 < Emcy> nigh infallible benevolent dictatorship does sound pretty sweet tbh
13:30 < Emcy> there are still small european states with benevolent hereditary kings and you never hear drama out of them because theyre content
13:35 < Emcy> pretty nice manifesto, ive read worse
13:35 < Emcy> i rate this based & redpilled
13:36 < midnight> we probably don't hear from those aristocrats because they can't order people beheaded on a whim and would likely be deposed in hours if they ever tried to actually do anything bad
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13:38 < Emcy> >child-adult sex is sometimes permissible
13:38 < Emcy> ok, lesswrong, we need to talk about why this keeps coming up
13:38 < queip> monarchy can be better then democracy, though the main key is to keep power decentralized and keep things small - many small countries. More chances to try what works, to move, and your voice/vote/etc actually means something if you are not just 1 of millions
13:46 < Emcy> >Intelligence is substantially heritable
13:46 < Emcy> they seem pretty fixated on this
13:47 < midnight> in multiple various forms yeah
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13:53 < Emcy> what does it mean that the 'rationalist' communities often come to such nutso conslusions about things
13:54 < gmaxwell> because what they engage in is rationalization.  All makes sense once you realize that.
13:55 < gmaxwell> Turns out that lots of interesting questions can't be 'reasoned out', at least not more than giving it a little consideration.  If you try harder than that you just end up coming up with convoluted justifications for whatever you want to believe (i.e. rationalization)
13:57 < Emcy> seems to me like rationalisation is the exact opposite of being rational
13:57 < Emcy> how could they go so perfectly wrong?
13:57 < pipirella> ha! good point
13:57 < Emcy> assuming theyre really really trying hard not to go so wrong
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14:06 < Emcy> lol this sneerclub really dislikes aella girl
14:13 < Emcy> friendly reminder that Black Mesa is half price on steam atm [10 dollars] and yesterday got its super duper we promise this time final definitive edition release
14:13 < Emcy> after a million years of hobby development
14:14 < midnight> what's black mesa
14:15 < Emcy> a remake of half life 1
14:15 < Emcy> its pretty flippin good
14:16 < midnight> oh, rad.
14:17 < Emcy> valve told them they had to stop calling it black mesa: source, but otherwise granted them a free licence to sell it
14:20 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/V7vDsarvyoc
14:21 < Emcy> i think its one of the best remakes of all time, let alone for a decade long fan project that was considered mythical vapourware until they released a playable beta a few years ago
14:25 < gmaxwell> Emcy: trying hard is seldom a replacement for doing well.
14:26 < Emcy> perhaps but one would hope that one naturally leads to the other
14:27 < Emcy> or at least, trying hard shouldnt result in the diametrical opposite of doing well
14:40 < midnight> huh, cool
15:51 < gmaxwell> Nice small thanksgiving arbutus unedo harvest https://0bin.net/paste/ioqb4Xs1#WdGyPM1L4T-RBK/gsGwzIUZV1mKQlVrJCLA/K+a/lc+
15:51 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ 0bin - encrypted pastebin ]
15:52 < midnight> wow
16:02 < grubles> wait i thought black mesa was a separate story
16:02 < grubles> i don't think it's a remake
16:03 < grubles> oh this is a new thing
16:06 < grubles> i'm thinking of blue shift i'm pretty sure
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22:24 < midnight> I'm sad that painted_frog went away
22:24 < midnight> oh well
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23:17 < Emcy> grubles yeah blue shift and opposing force were the 2 official expansions. black mesa is an unofficial remake.
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23:19 < Emcy> the expansion storylines cross paths with the main game very pleasingly, to the point where you can catch gordon freeman going about his business in the first game
23:21 < Emcy> wonder if sven coop has managed to integrate the final boss of OpFor yet, last i heard they had to force end the game on the elevator down to the final boss because they couldnt reverse engineer the rope physics system needed to complete it lol
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