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05:42 < Emcy> >Unfortunately, it turns out that InstaHide offers no privacy. It is not private for any reasonable definition of privacy, and given the output of InstaHide it is possible to completely recover the inputs that went in to it.
05:42 < Emcy> you had one job
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05:48 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:48 <@gribble> 18881.59
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06:58 < jigawatt> I'm trying a 'loop out', but getting '[loop] rpc error: code = DeadlineExceeded desc = context deadline exceeded'. Does that mean the loop server isn't responding?
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07:55 < queip> former director of [lungs/resp.track division in] Pfizer (vendor of the vaccine) points out to be really careful with it, as similar vaccination (the resulting immunity) was deadly in some cases (e.g. cats against regular covid) when later patient was exposed to actual virus.  Also, fetal placenta contains cells with receptors like ones that ncov19 virus exposes, so it might lead to auto-immunity if woman gets pregnant - and effective
07:55 < queip> sterilization
07:57 < queip> * (spike proteins)
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08:06 < AndyS2> The deadliness came from cytokine storms, right?
08:08 < AndyS2> That fetal placenta claim is interesting. What are they saying exactly? The baby inside the womb might have cells that are destroyed by antibodys because they are looking exactly like the virus? "with receptors like" is a pretty weasely term, as 'like' isn't strong enough IMO
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08:09 < AndyS2> I wonder if some within the 3rd round study turned out to be pregnant. Even if they specifically looked for people who do not have sex, some might have lied to get the money?
08:13 < queip> AndyS2: it seems to be question will people not form autoimmune reaction against syncytin-1
08:15 < queip> syncytin-1 seems crucial for fetal development; and also to brain function (some suggested some relation with multiple sclerosis, but maybe this applies only to mutations of gene that encodes syncutin-1, this part I don't understand from wiki)
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08:20 < queip> AndyS2: what I quickly found to read is: https://archive.is/2gDJk#selection-279.35-279.45 and ofc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncytin-1
08:20 < Entitlement> queip - [ Syncytin-1 - Wikipedia ]
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08:20 < queip> some MSMs already cared enough to DeBuNK this claim, which means it would be a good idea to read on them :)
08:24 < queip> AndyS2: this article(s) do not seem to mention "cytokine storm" but "This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE"
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08:33 < queip> the article is somewhat inexact, vacc. does not "contain" syncytin-1, but it makes body produce similar proteins and gets immune system to target them AFAIK.  So the question is, will body as side effect also attack sync.-1 which is "similar" to some degree (I don't know how much)
08:53 < queip> https://www.wodarg.com/english/ is the opinion of a scientist who was (~10 years ago) one of directors (or smth) in company that now makes (one of)  mRNA vaccine for ncov19
08:53 < Entitlement> queip - [ ENGLISH - wodargs Webseite! ]
08:56 < queip> correction, Wodarg is calling for action with Michael Yeadon, the later of them was in Pfizer.
08:58 < queip> and video + transcription about this topic from Yeadon is on https://www.aier.org/article/an-education-in-viruses-and-public-health-from-michael-yeadon-former-vp-of-pfizer/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDiwdzgON6w&feature=emb_logo
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09:49 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: holy shit wtf at that paper
09:49 < andytoshi> i think the critique was far too nice to the senior authors
09:50 < andytoshi> there is no way they got "randomize the sign" all the way from an idea into a full-sentence thought without realizing that it was broken, by the time they'd written it down they were already lying
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09:51 < andytoshi> i would also consider the grad student culpable, but i appreciate how overworked grad students are, and if you don't work in security it takes a lot of cognitive effort to notice something like that
09:52 < andytoshi> it's also hard for most grad students to go against your supervisor. if you have the freedom to do that then you have the freedom to not be in grad school
09:55 < gmaxwell> I kind of read it as not wasting their good-guy-points on some bottom of the totem pole person who could at least improve in the future.
09:56 < andytoshi> yeah that's reasonable. publicly ragging on a grad student makes you an ass even if you're right
10:04 < midnight> They praised the grad student for being thorough and rigourous in what exactly he was doing, and then slammed the heck out of the seniors. lol
10:06 < midnight> I liked reading that.
10:14 < gmaxwell> the PRNG thing was probably entirely the grad student's fault, but also not that big a deal for their paper
10:17 < midnight> jesus, Lukas (the MNT Reform guy) didn't even do the gitlab thing, he uses gitea to serve the MNT repos..
10:17  * midnight feels tears well up
10:17 < midnight> his natural inclinations are all just.. so.. good..
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10:22 < phantomcircuit> AndyS2, there's a protein that's apparently vital to placenta formation which is from a long since gone retro virus that permanently modified all human dna
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10:26 < Emcy> whoa
10:26 < phantomcircuit> syncytin-1
10:26 < phantomcircuit> dat one
10:26 < gmaxwell> all placental mammals.
10:26 < phantomcircuit> also syncytin-2
10:26 < Emcy> whoa
10:27 < Emcy> whats that got to do with covid
10:27 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, interesting thought it was only great apes
10:28 < queip> the main quesion, I gathered, is how much vaccines could cause autoimmune response against synctin-1. some (this 2 doctors) *seem* to imply this is quite possible, others say the vacc. contains a very different protein, that is also related to ncov19 spike of course but rather unrelated to sync.  I dont know, but I would like to find research confirming either way
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10:29 < queip> s/contains/uses mRNA to cause body to produce
10:29 < gmaxwell> https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/mammals-made-by-viruses
10:29 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Mammals Made By Viruses | Discover Magazine ]
10:30 < queip> if no such research exists yet then that's additional reason for me to HODL or not being one of first wave to find out
10:30 < gmaxwell> there is also a fairly widespread belief that the cell nucleus and mitochondria are captured pathogens.
10:30 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, hiv only infects immune cells right, which is why it's not passed to offspring?
10:31 < midnight> mitochondria weren't pathogens I don't think. I think they were prey.
10:31 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: thats my understanding.
10:31 < queip> gmaxwell: mitoch. sure, yeap. But wait, nucelus too? how would primitive cells work without one
10:31 < phantomcircuit> queip, if you don't have a uterus i wouldn't be super worried, if you do you're probably so far down the list anyways that there will be information before you can get the vaccine anyways
10:32 < phantomcircuit> nurses are basically #1 on the list and are certainly a prime audience to study infertility in
10:32 < queip> phantomcircuit: sync. also might be related to brain (and generally is in many tissues). also including sperm.
10:32 < phantomcircuit> queip, human cells do work without a mitochondria, but not very well
10:33 < Emcy> are u guys saying there is a potential mechanism for this vaccine to cause infetility in women
10:33 < midnight> oh for the love of..  what fresh conspiracy nonsense is this now?
10:33 < midnight> NO.
10:33 < gmaxwell> queip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_eukaryogenesis
10:33 < Emcy> bruh idk i just heard about this
10:33 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Viral eukaryogenesis - Wikipedia ]
10:34 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, syncytin 1 is only in old world monkeys, not new world monkeys or other mammals (at least so says wikipedia)
10:34 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: see article, there is a *different* syncytin in other animals.
10:34 < phantomcircuit> yeah was about to say, the other one syncytin 2 is the one in all mammals
10:35 < phantomcircuit> weird it's a protein that causes cell-to-cell fusion, definitely sounds like a virus protein
10:38 < phantomcircuit> anybody know if the phase 3 trials included anybody who is now pregnant?
10:38 < phantomcircuit> would be a pretty simple debunking
10:40 < queip> seems like pretty cruel way to test it
10:40 < midnight> leprechauns.
10:40 < midnight> You might as well be talking about leprechauns.
10:40 < midnight> And angry .. frickin'..  unicorns and shit.
10:41 < phantomcircuit> apparently lots of people were duped by apples m1 machine learning marketing and bought them expecting to be able to train models on them
10:42 < Emcy> ppl duped by apple marketing no way
10:43 < phantomcircuit> queip, lots of nurses are going to get it in the first wave of people and i can guarantee you that many of them are trying to get pregnant
10:43 < phantomcircuit> so we'll know really soon whether it's sterilizing
10:43 < Emcy> what an obscene shitstorm that would be
10:43 < Emcy> another thalidomide
10:45 < midnight> IT'S NOT.
10:45 < midnight> That entire hypothesis is bullshit.
10:47 < Emcy> maybe ill make that omelette now
10:47 < queip> du fromage?
10:47 < Emcy> yes
10:48 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/8nW3-9gdjYA
10:48 < queip> ohhh Dexter please say it again <3 <3
10:49 < queip> la store... de... value
10:51 < phantomcircuit> midnight, it seems unlikely, but possible
10:51 < midnight> NO. WRONG. There is no cross-immunity-relevant homology between syncytin and the spike proteins on sars-cov-2.
10:51 < phantomcircuit> unlikely because we already have out own antibodies produced by our own immune system to other coronavirus'
10:52 < phantomcircuit> which i would expect to see causing problems for fertility
10:52 < phantomcircuit> but they don't (cause like there's be no more humans if it did)
10:52 < midnight> Yeardley isn't even qualified to be even making such statements-- and he was a VP of *an entirely unrelated* branch of pfizer.
10:53 < midnight> Sorry, I don't mean to yell at you.
10:53 < midnight> I apologize.
10:54 < midnight> I'm getting hammered with this elsewhere, repeatedly, by people who are relying on me to do their research because of my access to the local uni, and it's difficult to maintain composure.
10:55 < phantomcircuit> midnight, i mean i think the best argument again it is what i just said
10:55 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: that was also immediately what I thought, I just didn't want to engage in the dumb discussion.
10:56 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: if immune response to the coronavirus spike protien causes fertility problems well then we'd be getting those anyways (and probably already see them).
10:57 < Emcy> some pfizer vp is saying this about their own product? lol
10:57 < gmaxwell> ex-pfizer vp.
10:57 < queip> Emcy: 10 years ago tho
10:57 < Emcy> whole thing sounds stupid
10:57 < phantomcircuit> the broad class of membrane fusing proteins also includes proteins from influenza and HSV-1
10:58 < phantomcircuit> somelike like 90% of the adult population has HSV-1 so like
10:58 < midnight> phantomcircuit: The best argument is the fact that the homologous regions are so small as to be irrelevant.
10:58 < gmaxwell> It also can be one of these things where an expert navel gazes-- like sure, its technically possible for any immune response to reduce fertility-- and normies taking it as something to worry about.
10:58 < phantomcircuit> i kind of doubt that causes infertility
10:58 < midnight> i..e they aren't homologous.
10:59 < midnight> (Sequences of that tiny length do not have cross-immunity implications. You can find small sequences of similar length across basically the entire human genome.)
10:59 < gmaxwell> Turns out that to whatever extent there were humans that were substantially exposed to virus induced auto-immune response that damages fertility ... those people all died out for obvious reasons. :)
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10:59 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, lol
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11:01 < gmaxwell> midnight: I think we should grant that if there are unexpected side effects of the vaccine fertility are among the more likely (along with ones affecting women specifically), because the trials prohibited participation from pregnant people and people who might become pregnant.
11:01 < gmaxwell> midnight: so they haven't been extensively tested in combination w/ pregnancy.
11:02 < gmaxwell> And so, if you were a low risk woman on the fence about getting the vaccine who is interested in becoming pregnant, then maybe this lack of testing is another (small) factor that should encourage you to delay getting the vaccine.
11:07 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sort of makes me wonder how many nurses are going to refuse (there's lots of anti-vax nurses already)
11:12 < midnight> ..The sequences Yeardley is referring to are literally so short that the entire human genome is riddled with them. :( If they cause infertility, there'd be an effect detected in the human trials right now (but there isn't,) but in particular, large chunks of immunology would have to be thrown out. The cross-immune threshold is somewhere around ~≥8-10 adjacent matching AAs, or ~≥12-15 AAs with
11:12 < midnight> ~≥66% homology.
11:16 < midnight> Lack of testing itself would be the only concern for people who are sensitive to immune system responses, and that rightly has absolutely nothing to do with Yeardley's conspiracy nutjobbery. :(
11:17 < gmaxwell> midnight: hm?  it's a new treatment, any new treatment could have surprising side effects in a population they weren't tested on.
11:18 < midnight> Yes, that's what I mean.
11:18 < midnight> The unfortunate confounding of *that* idea with the conspiracist living inside Yeadon is what I have a problem with.
11:20 < midnight> Like, the notion that it'll have an issue with syncytin is patently absurd. Yeadon is clearly incompetent to be making those kinds of statements about protein homologies.
11:20 < midnight> (For the reasons in the conspiracy theory.)
11:21 < midnight> https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3 this appears to be him btw.
11:21  * midnight digs
11:23 < phantomcircuit> midnight, iono your placentas might be weak
11:23  * midnight has too many placentas
11:23  * midnight gnaws
11:24 < phantomcircuit> anyways the people who really really need a vaccine like tomorrow aren't going to be getting pregnant ever
11:24 < phantomcircuit> the elderly and infirm
11:24 < midnight> +1
11:25 < phantomcircuit> problem is it's not clear how effective the pfizer vaccine is in those people
11:25 < phantomcircuit> their little mistake with the dosing made it seem like it's not very
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11:27 < midnight> The oXford adenovirus vaccine had dosing problems.
11:27 < midnight> Was there some other event with the pfizer one?
11:27 < queip> where a non-biology normie can find sequences for sync., for the thing that vaccine would cause cells to produce, and see that 8-10 matching AAs result?
11:28 < queip> I see https://www.nextprot.org/entry/NX_P60508/sequence and what next?    It's probably how normies feel looking first time at blockchain explorer ;)
11:28 < Entitlement> queip - [ neXtProt - exploring the universe of human proteins ]
11:29 < phantomcircuit> midnight, ah you're right it was the oxford vaccine
11:29 < phantomcircuit> im derp
11:31 < gmaxwell> omg ebay used book buying hell.
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11:32 < gmaxwell> Many of the big good used book sellers on ebay have these "buy >=N books, get Y% discount on all of them"... this results in attempting to buy one book turning into a maze
11:34 < gmaxwell> I see a book I want, it has the discount, so I go look to see if there are other books they're selling that I also want. They do. Except the other book is a series of three books and the middle book in it is available for much cheaper (even with the discount) from ANOTHER seller that does a buy N books get 15% off.  So now I need to find N books from that seller too.
11:34 < gmaxwell> Inevitably the situation repeats with yet another seller.
11:34 < Emcy> write an algorithm
11:34 < queip> so it's like trying to buy a Paradox game with all DLCs and a reasonable price? ;)
11:34 < midnight> phantomcircuit: not gonna lie. you scared me a little.
11:34 < gmaxwell> This has become worse recently because one of the biggest ebay book sellers split into two ebay accounts.
11:36 < gmaxwell> and then also I get stuck walking back and forth to my library to see what books I already have.
11:38 < queip> sounds like a case for digital index of your books
11:39 < gmaxwell> yes, that would help.
11:40 < gmaxwell> when people could leave the house and I'd go to used book sales I'd just use a high res photo of my bookshelves.
11:41 < Emcy> my dad had many many many books
11:41 < Emcy> enough that if they had been in an upstairs room im sure they would have collapsed the house
11:42 < Emcy> wonder what he did with them all
11:42 < gmaxwell> we did load analysis when we buit the shelves and positioend them with that in mind.
11:43 < Emcy> yeah, serious book collections add up to tonnes quickly
11:44 < gmaxwell> I didn't realize how heavy they were until I went to do the work to calculate sag on the shelves.
11:44 < Emcy> ha you did what
11:45 < gmaxwell> making bookshelvs not sag is actually a real problem.
11:45 < Emcy> how did you solve it
11:46 < Emcy> i think i saw one of your shelves before
11:47 < gmaxwell> used really thick pieces of oak, designed the layout so the longest shelf had the supports on the insides and books past the supports,  and strapped and screwed the shelves into the supports.
11:47 < gmaxwell> without all three of these measures the shelves would be visiably sagging.
11:48 < gmaxwell> (like any other widely available wood other than oak would have required 2x the already thick wood)
11:49 < gmaxwell> we ran short on straps and initially some of the shelves weren't stapped and they sagged just enough to be visible, so they were absolutely necessary.
11:49 < gmaxwell> there are online calculators for this stuff, fortunately.
11:50 < gmaxwell> It would have been less of an issue if we used a design with more supports, but I didn't want them getting in the way of the books.
11:51 < gmaxwell> we also could have steel reinforced the shelves or put a thicker piece along the back, but it would have made the construction a lot more complicated... and it's not like we really know what we're doing. :P
11:51 < Emcy> ah canitevered
11:51 < Emcy> cantilevered
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11:52 < phantomcircuit> midnight, yeah the pfizer one just requires ridiculously cold storage and stuff
11:52 < gmaxwell> Emcy: yep.
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11:55 < Emcy> i have to buy or build shelves for all my ships soon
11:56 < gmaxwell> oh also there is the paperback/hardcover dimension.  I generally prefer paperbacks for most books simply because they're more space dense, but often for used books hardcover books can be less expensive (surprisingly)... but I'd rather have all the books in a series the same.
11:56 < Emcy> i have 4 80 litre tubs full of ship models dirt cheap from ebay
11:56 < Emcy> probably should not have done that
11:56 < gmaxwell> heh. like the dog that chased the car, watcha gonna do when you caught it?
11:57 < Emcy> i seriously do not know lol
11:57 < queip> chew all the kids inside it -- pitbull
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11:57 < Emcy> i only bought like 10 at first which is as much as i had space for
11:58 < Emcy> then lockdown depression purchasing took over
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12:01 < Emcy> https://de.catbox.moe/jq3zrk.jpg
12:01 < Emcy> you can see 2 of the tubs stacked in the background, theres another 2 stacked ontop those now
12:01 < Emcy> theyre pretty optimally packed too, it took me a while to figure out
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12:15 < queip> Emcy: cool  :)
12:15 < midnight> phantomcircuit: the moderna one is equually effective and requires less freezing cold temps.
12:19 < queip> https://archive.is/xP4Bt
12:19 < Entitlement> queip - [ Bitcoin Cash Proponent Tattoos Forearm to Spread Digital Cash Awareness | Featur... ]
12:20 < phantomcircuit> midnight, the moderna one seems more effective actually
12:20 < phantomcircuit> if only slightly
12:20 < phantomcircuit> and yeah requires refrigeration but not -70C
12:20 < midnight> yeh
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12:27 < midnight> I found a good thread about the "homologous" stuff: https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1334593606196187136
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13:01 < phantomcircuit> midnight, yeah that makes sense
13:03 < gmaxwell> hurrah. 15 books later I am successful.
13:04 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sounds like you need a book buying tool
13:06 < gmaxwell> Don't call dave a tool, thats mean!
13:06 < phantomcircuit> oh god you have a book buying slave
13:06 < phantomcircuit> that's terrible man
13:07 < gmaxwell> haha, I don't but it made for a good joke.
13:07 < gmaxwell> really, ebay used books just aren't competative with in person booksales, due to shipping costs.. sadly.
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13:09 < phantomcircuit> yeah they're heavy and not particularly valuable unless ultra rare
13:10 < gmaxwell> book sales will often do "bag of books $5" ... and if you know what book sales are not being picked over by people that make a business out of flipping books, it can be a great deal.
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13:23 < Hash> what is happening?
13:23 < Hash> ;;tlast
13:23 <@gribble> 19155.7
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13:33 < Emcy> so my brother has covid
13:37 < Veggen> f
13:38 < Veggen> (oops)
13:38 < Veggen> that happens. Most people actually have little symptoms and recover completely.
13:40 < Veggen> (in other words: stay positive. Best to avoid getting it, but if you do get it, hope the statistics are on your side)
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13:51 < Emcy> well hes yong but hes lethargic enough as it is
13:53 < Emcy> we think he had it back in march too
13:53 < Emcy> so maybe immunity really does only last 6 months?
13:54 < Emcy> 38.5 fever and he cant smell. definitelly its the coof
13:55 < gmaxwell> may not have been it back in march
13:55 < Emcy> yeah im not convinced that he did
13:55 < Emcy> march-april. it was still early
13:59 < belcher> march-april was the peak of the first wave assuming you're in the UK
13:59 < Emcy> maybe in london
13:59 < belcher> deaths peaked mid-april iirc, and they lag infections by ~2-3 weeks
13:59 < belcher> right yes
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14:35 < Veggen> hmm. Croydon? I know someone there.
14:36 < Emcy> gmaxwell o dang that the same trap i fell into with the ships
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14:37 < Emcy> most of the sellers are selling loads of different ones, so i end up buying like 10 to amortise the shipping costs on what i want
14:38 < Emcy> like that nob who wanted me to pay £30 for shipping and i told him to try again lol
14:40 < Emcy> do you guys have charity shops and car boot sales over there? they can be lots of fun
14:40 < Emcy> or they used to be, as you say the flippers pick them clean of all the good stuff more these days than any time i can remember
14:41 < Emcy> especially the boot sales.....the del boys are there by like 5:30 AM watching people putting stuff out, all the good shit is gone by 7
14:42 < gmaxwell> Yep. but right-- the flippers pick through them.
14:42 < Emcy> ebay kinda knocked the arse out of boot sales 10 years ago though, its a shame. Used to be lots of fun, like a day out.
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14:43 < gmaxwell> Most book sales here are charity things, and the ones the flippers know about they come in like locusts first thing in the morning using handheld barcode readers to go through all the books and take the ones that sell for more than X dollars.
14:43 < gmaxwell> fortunately, the scanner people don't know about all the sales.
14:44 < gmaxwell> or some sales are so big they even overwhelm the scanners: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Qk5p3AnfC6k/V-g4928bWeI/AAAAAAAAD6c/DXn6Ylw-W6YpNqrHpscUgvxFK9I4gP5IwCK4B/s1600/fort.mason1-24sept16..jpg
14:44 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ jpeg (1265 x 950) ]
14:46 < Emcy> dang barcode scanners? people dont have a chance
14:49 < gmaxwell> it's not always that bad, sometimes they're only pulling books that sell for >$50
14:49 < gmaxwell> and they don't even grab anything really weird or rare because they don't know a price for it.
14:49 < Emcy> looks fun though. You cant really beat a good old peruse.
14:50 < Emcy> i dont think ive ever seen specifically a book sale like that though
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14:51 < belcher> they have something like that in london under blackfriars bridge iirc
14:51 < belcher> outside but out of the rain
14:51 < Emcy> theres arnet even that many books in the charity shops anymore, more like old DVDs....i guess people dont have old books to give away anymore
14:51 < belcher> nowhere near as big though
14:52 < Emcy> yeah london has lots of market typee things going on under various bridges
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14:54 < gmaxwell> well thats the SF big book sale, I woudln't be surprised if it's the largest used book sale event in the world.
14:54 < gmaxwell> (the picture I linked to)
14:55 < Emcy> pretty lucky to have that on your doorstep
14:55 < Emcy> whats the best thing you ever found there
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14:59 < gmaxwell> Not sure, don't keep track of where things came from usually.  I know I got about half of my copies of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year%27s_Best_Science_Fiction from the SF sale... for like ... $10 ($5/bag prices and they're pretty liberal on what they let you use as bags)   The other half from another bay area book sale.
14:59 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ The Year's Best Science Fiction - Wikipedia ]
15:02 < Emcy> cool
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15:02 < Emcy> i should read the old scifi periodicals
15:03 < Emcy> ive found complete sets of old stuff that interest me on ebay for cheep and really had to restrain myself because i just dont have anywhere to put it
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15:08 < queip> put it into the cargobay
15:08 < queip> optionally, holodeck
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15:18 < Emcy> >Mastercard to investigate rape and child abuse allegations against pornhub, suspends payments to the company.
15:18 < Emcy> we complain a lot about financial providers arbitrarily cutting of whomsoever they like, so heres a more nuanced example
15:19 < andytoshi> i mean, unilaterally suspending payments is still extrajudicial justice
15:19 < Emcy> absolutely
15:20 < Emcy> and im not sure in what capacity mastercard can 'investigate' anything
15:20 < andytoshi> i mean, they have a pretty serious network of PIs and stuff to investigate fraud
15:20 < Emcy> but its not the first time ive heard this shit about pornhub
15:21 < andytoshi> i think, it is unusual in the US to have a case related to direct physical/personal damage to individual people, and an entity so large that you could have litigation going on for years and no specific humans to go to jail.
15:21 < andytoshi> usually it's one or the other
15:21 < gmaxwell> damn so if you google 'rape and childabuse pornhub'  google puts up a big  "WARNING CHILD SEXUAL IMAGERY IS ILLEGAL"
15:22 < andytoshi> *everyone tries it*
15:22 < andytoshi> nice try gmax
15:22 < Emcy> yeah imma stay off that list thanks
15:22 < gmaxwell> well it didn't occur to me that it would put me on a fucking list until I saw the notice!
15:22 < andytoshi> there was a nyt article about this a couple days ago which i scrolled by
15:22 < Emcy> https://www.reuters.com/article/BigStory12/idUSKBN28G0KH
15:22 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Mastercard to investigate allegations against Pornhub | Reuters ]
15:22 < andytoshi> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html
15:22 < Entitlement> andytoshi - [ Opinion | The Children of Pornhub - The New York Times ]
15:24 < andytoshi> wow lots of dumb nyt stuff in there
15:24 < andytoshi> "everyone thought pornhub was a good global citizen til now" "unlike youtube you can download videos"
15:24 < Emcy> nyt gonna nyt
15:24 < Emcy> >global citizen
15:24 < Emcy> whut
15:24 < andytoshi> they didn't say "good global citizen", they said "wholesome"
15:24 < Emcy> the worlds most upstanding spank bank - NYT
15:24 < andytoshi> i did my best to translate to something that wasn't so outright absurd
15:26 < Emcy> andytoshi oh yeah pornhub did promote those ryan creamer 'wholesome porn' videos
15:26 < Emcy> for the wholesome angle
15:26 < andytoshi> they have always been transparently pro-addictive-behavior, i don't understand how anyone could honestly believe they were wholesome
15:27 < andytoshi> it's like a casino running "know your limit" psas
15:27 < Emcy> the guy basically makes videos that are like the beginning conceit of most shitty porn videos, but nothing rude actually happens
15:27 < Emcy> its like 'we watch a film then say goodnight and part ways'
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15:27 < andytoshi> or the tobacco industry running ads showing how they work with the local cops to keep minors away from cigarettes
15:30 < andytoshi> lol this fucking article. now it's claiming that they thought trudeau was a wholesome guy, but somehow there is organized criminal behavior based in montreal???
15:30 < Emcy> yeah it was obviously all marketing lol
15:30 < andytoshi> for those who don't know, montreal is mob central and the trudeau family has been up to their eyes in it for generations
15:30 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/xHr6NUufd8w pornhub partnered with this guy
15:31 < Emcy> he basically makes ironic anti-porn
15:31 < andytoshi> (all snark aside, this article is actually a very upsetting human story)
15:31 < Emcy> well yeah trafficking is upsetting
15:32 < Emcy> another fun fact, the holding company behind PH [mindgeek] has bought out most other xxx video host sites in the last decade too. Theyre a pretty damn big company
15:33 < Emcy> oh yeah HQ in montreal
15:33 < andytoshi> yeah
15:34 < andytoshi> blockstream is also based in montreal. little known fact.
15:34 < waxwing> coincidence?
15:34 < Emcy> ay
15:34 < Emcy> i thoght it was malta
15:35 < Emcy> a hollowed out volcano lair in malta
15:35 < waxwing> all the letters in malta are in montreal. coincidence?
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15:37 < andytoshi> hahah
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15:59 < gmaxwell> https://files.catbox.moe/vplqof.jpg  I need to do a better picture of my bookshelves.
16:00 < Emcy> dang those tiles are super nice
16:01 < Emcy> you made an anechoic reading room with the foam on the ceiling
16:02 < Emcy> well not fully, real anechoic rooms are uncomfortable
16:02 < gmaxwell> with the tile floor it was kind of echoy, at least before the books were in there.
16:02 < Emcy> but the tiles are part of it too right
16:03 < gmaxwell> the tiles are just tiles, they have a kind of gold flex like stars.  spent way too long sourcing tiles.
16:03 < belcher> when were you reading about foundations of topology?
16:05 < gmaxwell> That is one of Kat's (she was a math major in undergrad)
16:08 < belcher> its a great bookshelf, thanks for sharing
16:08 < gmaxwell> fiction is on the left and the bottom shelf of the center and is alphabetical by author, the rest is randomly grouped by subject kinda.
16:08 < Emcy> yeah it is great
16:08 < belcher> you even have the structure of scientific revolutions :)
16:08 < Emcy> i wish i had all the iain banks hardbacks
16:08 < Emcy> ill pick up a boxset one day
16:09 < belcher> yeah i see carl sagan in like 3 different places
16:09 < Emcy> ive read them all, but just epubs on a kindle lol
16:10 < gmaxwell> yeah there are a bunch of the fiction that I read as pirated ebooks but later picked up because I liked it.
16:11 < belcher> i do that as well and with library borrows, theres something good about owning the real book
16:11 < gmaxwell> (indeed, or library borrows)
16:12 < gmaxwell> I have a second library in my office that consists entirely of books we managed to accidentally obtain more than once.
16:12 < gmaxwell> I think there are three copies of
16:12 < gmaxwell> Cryptonomicon in it.
16:13 < gmaxwell> sometimes because at book sales there would be more than one copy and kat and I would each grab a copy.
16:13 < gmaxwell> othertimes just because we forgot we already had it.
16:16 < gmaxwell> I need to do some reorging and try again taking a picture. That attempt at a picture was a little too ambitious... too many images and I ended up with screwed up stiching errors that are a pain to fix.
16:16 < Emcy> o shit i use to have a copy of the way things work
16:16 < Emcy> when i was a kid
16:17 < gmaxwell> hah
16:17 < gmaxwell> MAMMOTHS
16:17 < Emcy> where did it go?
16:17 < gmaxwell> there is a copy of the way things work in the overflow library ... because Kat also had a copy.
16:17 < Emcy> yeah there were animals drawn as robots inside
16:19 < Emcy> i had a books about black holes full of great illustrations too
16:19 < Emcy> i wish i knew where all my books went
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16:21 < gmaxwell> the top shelf on the left to the middle is all anthologies and collections, ... when I used to travel a lot for work I'd usually bring a couple of novels and a collection in case the novels sucked or I finished them all.
16:23 < midnight> ohhhh..  gold FLECKS.
16:23 < midnight> ohhh
16:23 < midnight> I've been puzzling about that for like five minutes.
16:27 < Emcy> what are the real old looking bound books top centre
16:27 < gmaxwell> Emcy: haha
16:28 < Emcy> ?
16:29 < gmaxwell> Emcy: absurd book. it is a collection of erotic-ish poetry by Lord Byron from 1860.
16:29 < Emcy> lmao
16:31 < gmaxwell> I bought like couple tons of random used books and it was in there.
16:40 < gmaxwell> another interesting weird one that came from the tons of books is that green unlabled book on top of the world of mathmathics books (the books with the sigma on them),  that is a "Mathmatical teables from handbook of chemistry & physics" which if you open it up says it belongs to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Giauque
16:40 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ William Giauque - Wikipedia ]
16:41 < gmaxwell> I had the thought years ago that it would be fun to find books previously owned by famous academics, but it took me an awful long time to actually find one.
16:43 < belcher> thats pretty cool
16:43 < belcher> books owned by famous academics can sell for quite a lot
16:43 < gmaxwell> I don't think I've see that much trade in them.
16:44 < belcher> iirc there was some book owned by Einstein or someone like that which ended up being sold at auction for loads... ill see if i can remember where i saw it
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16:44 < belcher> maybe it was someone like Dirac rather than Einstein
16:44 < gmaxwell> okay, well Einstein I would believed.
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16:44 < gmaxwell> But some 'random' nobel prizewinner I'd be more surprised.
16:45 < belcher> yeah there was also that case a decade of two ago of papers by newton being sold at auction for loads, and they turned out to have nothing to do with maths or physics but were just full of newton's heretical religious writing
16:45 < belcher> still though, its newton
16:45 < gmaxwell> luke-jr is in this picture and he doesn't like it.
16:46 < belcher> "turned out" is perhaps bad phrasing, obviously people knew what they were buying
16:46 < gmaxwell> people are pretty arbitary about autographs. e.g. I've frequently gotten autographed books from thriftbooks. a number bunch of my card and egan books are autographed.
16:47 < gmaxwell> I do have a probably pretty rare autographed copy of The Martian --- the author lives in mountainview and is afraid of flying...
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16:50 < gmaxwell> I had the thought years ago that it would be fun to find books previously owned by famous academics, but it took me an awful long time to actually find one.
16:55  * midnight double-takes..?
16:57 < Emcy> i liked finding books with someones name or something inside
16:57 < gmaxwell> yeah, I aways google the names.
16:57 < Emcy> doesnt have to be anyone famous
16:58 < Emcy> sometimes books tell a story other than the story they tell
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16:59 < Emcy> ive got some outdated schoolboy physics textbook from the 40s with some kids name on it, iirc i picked it up from a table stall at some enlish village faire the same time as i bought the WW1 18 pounder shell
17:00 < Emcy> i like it a lot for some reason. That kid is probably dead now
17:00 < Emcy> ive got a ration book around somewhere too
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17:02 < belcher> cute
17:02 < belcher> a physics textbook from the 40s must be very very out of date hah
17:02 < Emcy> yeah i cant remember what was wrong with it now
17:03 < Emcy> maybe it mentioned the aether or something
17:03 < belcher> aether was debunked by the 40s
17:03 < belcher> i guess it wouldnt have anything on nuclear physics
17:03 < belcher> iv got a science book from only about 1998 which has some out of date parts now, like talks a lot about the big crunch and only mentions as a footnote the idea that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, which we now know is true
17:04 < gmaxwell> I have a fair amount of pretty good old scifi stuff that came from some particular person, and after seeing her name in a couple books I was sure I wanted to keep I went and kept everything that came from her and found some good stuff.
17:04 < Emcy> yeah ive run into that outdated premise before
17:05 < Emcy> the end of marathon infinity [1996 iirc] implies that the AI Durandal achieved godhood and 'escaped the closure of this universe and became one with the next'
17:07 < Emcy> like you said it was accepted science in the 90s
17:08 < belcher> it seemed kind of reasonable i guess, gravity should act on spacetime and slow down the expansion, maybe reversing it
17:08 < belcher> the fact that the expansion is accelerating is a huge mindfuck IMO and nobody really knows why that happens
17:09 < gmaxwell> Another funny book is that one of the volumes of the 'world of mathmathics' is one of the books that got me personally interested in higher mathmatics... enough in it's case that I never returned the book to the library. so it has the library card in it showing it as checked out to me in 1993.  (I don't think the library cared)
17:09 < belcher> you're gonna have a huge fine lol
17:10 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: ?
17:10 < gmaxwell> nah, if you take stuff they were gonna discard anyways they just forget about it. :)
17:11 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/4f5vbzZyIjs i loved they way bungie depicted an AI god surviving a big crunch-bang cycle though
17:11 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: The idea of someone looking you up for some bitcoin stuff but instead finding some of your texts on religion seemed like an apt parallel to someone buying papers of newton and getting religious writings.
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17:16 < Emcy> http://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/mifinalscreen.gif better than a shitty shakeycam video
17:16 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ gif (2048 x 480) ]
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18:13 < andytoshi> belcher: there is some recent paper about the supernova used as "standard candles" maybe actually varying with age... which throws the "universe is accelerating" thesis into some doubt
18:13 < andytoshi> as plausibly younger type 1 supernovae are redder in exactly the right way to conspire to make us think they're further away than they are
18:13 < andytoshi> exciting times
18:14 < queip> you should include all C++ standard(s). built more beam first tho
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18:52 < gmaxwell> on the subject of other adventures. We have been trying to turn persimmon to jam.  For some reason, a lot of cooking information on the internet is just incompetently created spambot material.  So they give recipes which are just standard fruit jam recipe but with persimmon instead of plums or whatever.
18:52 < gmaxwell> This, however, does not work.
18:53 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, because recipes cannot themselves be copyrighted, but the story about them can be, all the recipe sights are garbage
18:53 < phantomcircuit> the flow through on it is that some of it is auto generated
18:53 < gmaxwell> The persimmon is extremely inedibly astringent when not ripe. The chermical reaction that happens when they ripen is @#$@# reversable.
18:54 < gmaxwell> We know from trial and error that it can be reversed by heat and by ... water (?!).  After reading a number of scientific papers and japanese patents (which to their credit quickly point out the reaction was reversable) --- I thought it would be a good idea to add baking soda because I it looked like it couldn't reverse in high PH.
18:55 < gmaxwell> with that in mind though we tried googling persimmon jam baking soda to see if others had figured this out,  and found https://www.rootsgameandtrail.com/home/2017/2/28/the-persimmon-debacle
18:55 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ The Persimmon Debacle: A Journey of Failure — Roots, Game, and Trail ]
18:56 < andytoshi> phantomcircuit: i find it hard to believe this is a copyright thing rather than a SEO thing
18:56 < phantomcircuit> andytoshi, well yes and not
18:56 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: cool link!
18:57 < phantomcircuit> andytoshi, because recipes cannot be copyrighted but ridiculous stories about them can be the only recipe websites are operated by the type of people that would also auto generate content for seo
18:57 < gmaxwell> (that page has a comment suggesting that its the introduction of an unripe fruit, but no-- we blended each fruit one by one, and taste tested them all)
18:57 < gmaxwell> I think phantomcircuit's argument is basically the only way to make money with recipes online is spam.
18:58 < gmaxwell> and that looks about right to me.
18:58 < gmaxwell> this also seems to be true for crafting ... while looking for sort of crafting instructions I've found example after example that cannot work, and in fact would be libel to blow you up instead.
19:00 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: i like that this guy apparently did _not_ figure out the baking soda trick ... or maybe he did but there was still more to it?
19:00 < andytoshi> this is like 1000 words that end in "i guess persimmons are impossible"
19:00 < gmaxwell> yeah! lol
19:03 < gmaxwell> the internet is full of positively unworkable recieps that look plausable  like ... https://hildaskitchenblog.com/recipe/persimmon-jam/  there is absolutely no chance that this recipy ever worked for anyone.
19:03 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Persimmon Jam Recipe (using Hachiya persimmons) | Hilda's Kitchen Blog ]
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19:05 < gmaxwell> commercial persimmons processing treats the fruit with co2, but it sounds like the reaction is still reversed with temp. My guess is that carefully cooking them at low temp could do it.
19:07 < gmaxwell> in any case, the last attempt we made the jam was actually really good except for the astringency making it so most people wouldn't eat it. :P
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19:15 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, more jam for you
19:15 < phantomcircuit> feature not a bug
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19:17 < gmaxwell> Emcy: your comment caused my SO to put up a twitter poll https://twitter.com/mindspillage/status/1335741590082490369
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19:25 < Emcy> ha
19:26 < Emcy> that book must of been a worldwide phenomenon for kids during the 90s
19:26 < Emcy> apparently there was also a 'interactive CD-ROM' version since those were popular at the time
19:26 < Emcy> and some kind of animated series
19:27 < Emcy> also how can ripening be chemically reversible? wtf
19:29 < gmaxwell> one paper suggests: "the soluble tannin of astringent fruit is polymerized by acetaldehyde to form   an   insoluble   compound,   which   is   non-astringen"
19:31 < Emcy> de-polymerise how?
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19:36 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/jdforrester/status/1335778245547986944
19:48 < gmaxwell> Emcy: well it's no shock, the process that makes fruit jams become thick is depolmerization of pectin.
19:48 < gmaxwell> (from heat)
19:50 < Emcy> seems i was unaware that you could de polymerise anything
19:51 < gmaxwell> GTWEHRWEJREWKRJWER just got my electric bill.  My electric company is fucking insane. Back in september they reworked my power, removed two electric meters and added one new meter.  Ever since then they have continued to bill me for "estimated usage" on the two old meters, which they're unable to read.  I complained about it, and now in this month they seem to have responded ... by not only
19:51 < gmaxwell> continuing to bill me for imaginary usage on these long dead meters, but also _redundantly billing me_ for the past several months of them as well.
19:51 < gmaxwell> so there is an extra >$1000 in imaginary power costs on my bill.
19:52 < Emcy> lol
19:53 < Emcy> so it seems like these days you have to embarrass a company on twiter to get some customer service, might try that
19:53 < Emcy> or maybe just sue them purely as a way of getting a human being to look at your account
19:54 < andytoshi> lol if this is PGE they've had a good amount of embarassment already this year
19:54 < gmaxwell> Whats weird is that I have a designated human being for this project. And she's actually pretty clueful.
19:54 < gmaxwell> But the org is just so fucked up that when she fixes something they automatically scramble things.
19:55 < gmaxwell> like, this double billing was probably triggered by her efforts to remove them. They actually showed as removed a few hours before they issued the bill.
19:55 < Emcy> yeah we have a saying for that here "computer says no"
19:55 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: a grade-school friend of mine now works for BC Hydro. they cover the whole province, which has about 10% the people and twice the land of california, and apparently have ~5000 people total
19:55 < andytoshi> and a lot of bizarre jury-rigged legacy systems
19:55 < Emcy> it sounds a lot like youre suffering from computer says no with this
19:56 < andytoshi> like they have their own parallel phone network that they sorta built themselves out of random electrical equipment they happened to have
19:56 < andytoshi> and much of their jobs are just re-jury-rigging things to keep them working, because there's a lot of land and not many people
19:56 < andytoshi> i would imagine that there are similar things at play in CA
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19:59 < gmaxwell> oh also they managed to change the rate plans on the imaginary power meters to a rate plan which is disadventagious for the 'estimated' usage (the estimated usage is just some seasonally corrected copy of the usage from the month before they went offline)
20:00 < gmaxwell> they didn't cover this in any books I've read on electrical engineering,  I guess screaming at them would be reactive power.
20:00 < andytoshi> curiously there was a recent SMBC about phantoms paying for utilities https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/adult
20:02 < Emcy> no hes paying for phantom utilities
20:02 < andytoshi> oh my bad. that's a totally different scenario
20:03 < Emcy> do you pay and then dispute or what?
20:03 < Emcy> or just tell them to piss off
20:03 < gmaxwell> yeah, well thats what I've been doing, but I'm going to end up with such a huge credit.
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20:04 < Emcy> i hate scenarios where you basically advance companies intrest free
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20:04 < gmaxwell> esp since once net metering is working my bills will be ~0
20:05 < gmaxwell> because unless we have all the computers going we produce more than we use.
20:05 < andytoshi> hmmm, can you bequeath the credit and what are the tax implications of taht
20:06 < gmaxwell> I assume they'll cut a check if I close the account.
20:06 < gmaxwell> though that would be a pita because the account is in the name of the LLC that owns the house, which doesn't have a bank account.
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20:06 < gmaxwell> PG&E doesn't actually know my name.
20:12 < Emcy> why does a llc own ur house
20:12 < phantomcircuit> Emcy, so it's hard to find where he lives of course
20:12 < gmaxwell> there are a couple reasons, ^ being one of them.
20:12 < Emcy> oh yeah thats smart
20:13 < gmaxwell> But it can also protect it from lawsuits.
20:13 < Emcy> im surprised utility companies can handle that without deadlocking themselves
20:13 < Emcy> especially this power company
20:14 < gmaxwell> surprisingly it was no problem. The only utility that had an issue was the trash company and we just made up a name.
20:14 < gmaxwell> (and claimed it was a person)
20:15 < Emcy> lol
20:16 < Emcy> they open the bags and check!!!!!!
20:16 < gmaxwell> I think anything with our names on it is shredded.
20:18 < gmaxwell> fun fact though... amazon boxes frequently contain 900mhz rfid tags.
20:20 < gmaxwell> I have a super long range rfid reader that I use to open the gate and I noticed it getting a read on the trashcans as they went by...
20:21 < queip> https://youtu.be/8vwu9po3aF0?t=36
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20:22 < Emcy> yo where are the tage
20:22 < Emcy> in the black amazon tape?
20:28 < gmaxwell> Hm probably, you know I haven't bothered figuring that out.
20:28 < gmaxwell> I just figured out it was an amazon box.
20:29 < gmaxwell> (there is only so much I wanted to dig through my trash :) )
20:31 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, walmart requires all their suppliers to tag every item with rfid tags outside of fresh food
20:31 < phantomcircuit> walking through a walmart with one of those readers it would go insane
20:31 < Emcy> i dont know why i care
20:31 < Emcy> not like i can do anything about it apart from stop buying amazon shit
20:31 < Emcy> which i have been actively trying to do recently
20:32 < ossifrage> phantomcircuit, I wonder what the price of a RFID tag (chip and antenna) is now
20:33 < phantomcircuit> ossifrage, <$0.01 for the very small ones
20:34 < Emcy> apparently ive managed to dodge accidentally signing up for amazon prime during checkout [and they genuinely nearly had me once or twice] enough times that theyve now sent me a physical letter telling me why i need prime with a stupid fake credit card with a nice amazon hologram on it, as if thats not a complete non sequitur
20:34 < ossifrage> Yeah I assumed fraction of a cent, I bet the cost is mostly the test time (unless they can be gang tested)
20:34 < Emcy> thats quite something isnt it
20:35 < ossifrage> I'd imagine for inventory it would cause problems if the tags had a high fail rate
20:37 < ossifrage> I still find it amazing that they can dice wafers that small and still be profitable. It seems like they would loose more area to kerf then actual chips
20:38 < ossifrage> Some chips are pad limited, but these things could be kerf limited
20:42 < ossifrage> kerf loss of 100-300um and crystal structure damage of another 30-50um
20:44 < ossifrage> Emcy, my Mom has the magic no-pay legacy Prime which is quite nice. But I generally avoid using amazon whenever possible.
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