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01:17 < lnd-bot> [lnd] bhandras merged pull request #4822: routing: add missing features to NetworkNodeUpdate (and also depreacte GlobalFeatures) (master...add_globalfeatures) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4822
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01:17 < lnd-bot> [lnd] bhandras pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/582b164c46ea...669663bfc22a
01:17 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 98c61be Andras Banki-Horvath: routing: add missing GlobalFeatures to NetworkNodeUpdate
01:17 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 669663b András Bánki-Horváth: Merge pull request #4822 from bhandras/add_globalfeatures
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03:25 < lnd-bot> [lnd] carlaKC opened pull request #4847: peer: do not require static remote for peers with legacy channels (master...4800-peerfeaturedowngrade) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4847
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04:56 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth opened pull request #4848: [trivial] htlcswitch: log with format (master...htlcswitch-log-infof) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4848
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04:56 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth merged pull request #4841: rpcserver: replace sweep_all in log with send_all to match rpc arg (master...send-coins-log-fix) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4841
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04:57 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/669663bfc22a...e13c97d62135
04:57 < lnd-bot> lnd/master b017ab6 Conner Fromknecht: rpcserver: replace sweep_all in log with send_all to match rpc arg
04:57 < lnd-bot> lnd/master e13c97d Johan T. Halseth: Merge pull request #4841 from cfromknecht/send-coins-log-fix
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05:20 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth merged pull request #4848: [trivial] htlcswitch: log with format (master...htlcswitch-log-infof) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4848
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05:20 < lnd-bot> [lnd] halseth pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/e13c97d62135...f98a3c9dacc3
05:20 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 1a35c00 Johan T. Halseth: htlcswitch: log with format
05:20 < lnd-bot> lnd/master f98a3c9 Johan T. Halseth: Merge pull request #4848 from halseth/htlcswitch-log-infof
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05:46 < Emcy> nice i can see how flat the shelves are now, did a good job on that
05:47 < Emcy> i got a small handful of the same books, apart from TWTW which is long gone
05:48 < Emcy> i got the long war, which i bought on a ferry in the middle of the english channel on the way to Guernsey island
05:49 < Emcy> 2 /12 hour ferry ride, most memorable thing was how a certain way out from land the water suddenly became almost mirror flat and all the chop disappeared, was kinda creepy
05:50 < Emcy> i have  'brother to dragons' which i picked up from a bargain basement warehouse store that resold literally water and fire damaged stock no one else would even try to sell lol
05:51 < Emcy> 'the wormholers' which i received while sitting on santas knee and i remember thinking whoa its really him because he knows i like scifi and santa knows everything
05:51 < Emcy> [obviously was a child at the time]
05:51 < Emcy> 'the ship who sang' which belongs to my grandmother iirc RIP
05:52 < Emcy> and golden age of science fiction, which i dont know how i got that
05:53 < Emcy> and then i have all of baxters, banks etc stuff pirated on my kindle but i guess that doesnt count
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06:56 < belcher> first ever multi-tx coinswaps on testnet https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/k95iu4/the_first_coinswap_on_testnet_massive/
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07:18 < grubles> \o/
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08:03 < grubles> rip centos
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08:25 < grubles> Full FW stack is open and available. SiFive has a GitHub repository that contains code for ZSBL and FSBL (ZSL is baked into SoC ROM, cannot be replaced). Both can be built and FSBL be used from SPI or uSD card. U-Boot and U-Boot SPL is available for FU540 previous SoC. Again that's fully open source stack. DRAM init code (most likely in a hex format) is also part of all of this. There are no binary
08:25 < grubles> blobs/binaries from SiFive that you cannot rebuild.
08:26 < grubles> hmm ok so the unmatched is more open than i was assuming
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08:32 < gmaxwell> belcher: congrats!
08:32 < nanotube> very cool belcher, great milestone!
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08:37 < nanotube> belcher: also, alectryon is down in -blocks, fyi
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08:51 < belcher> yeah i know :\
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09:56 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/k95gtr/what_happened_to_200_million_bch_ecosystem/
09:56 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ What happened to $200 Million BCH Ecosystem Investment Fund? : btc ]
09:56 < Emcy> yeah what indeed happened
09:56 < Emcy> >All love, admiration, appreciation and respect to Roger but I submitted a 49-page business plan on 10 Jan 2020 and have yet to get a response 11 months later.
09:56 < Emcy> theyll never get it
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09:58 < queip> bch ecosystem 😂
09:59 < queip> poor people in Antigua
10:00 < queip> too bad scammers have to go to countreis doing taxes well (0% income afair) and ver all over the nice places
10:01 < Emcy> >It is supposedly happening, but can't be done as quickly anymore because of issues with Bitcoin.com's ex-CEO.
10:01 < Emcy> hmmmmm
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10:20 < queip> is there a way to report bugs to bitcoin without using github?
10:21 < queip> (bugs, issues, suggesions)
10:27 < Emcy> probably not in any way people can keep track of
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10:28 < Emcy> the mailing lists
10:29 < queip> allright, used irc instead. irc for teh win :)
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10:36 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/NHSEngland/status/1336203871966912514 its begun
10:37 < queip> "fully-tested and approved" ???
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10:41 < queip> notice how China dealt with all covid crap without "fully-tested" experimental drugs. (could also dealt with it while giving food to people before welding them in, if they cared)
10:55 < Emcy> they could have really dealt with it by just throwing all the infected into a big lye pit for all we know
10:56 < Emcy> did they develop a vaccine? idk
11:03 < AndyS2> queip: AFAIK all the tests of a regular vaccine were done, the approval process in the EU takes a bit longer, though
11:03 < AndyS2> what they sped up were all the money begging, goalpost moving from investors, etc
11:04 < AndyS2> and they found volunteers 'a bit' faster for covid-19 vaccines. I wonder why :D
11:14 < midnight> grubles: That sifive thing is a lie. They haven't released their preboot.
11:15 < midnight> grubles: talos is still more open than sifive stuff.
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11:24 < midnight> NOOOO
11:24 < midnight> lol literally after I mentioned it, Lukas is moving to gitlab
11:24  * midnight buries head in hands
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11:57 < grubles> midnight: hm so what the heck is that comment about then
11:57 < grubles> found it on talospace.com
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12:28 < lnd-bot> [lnd] cfromknecht merged pull request #4830: multi: small code fix (master...small-code-fix) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4830
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12:28 < lnd-bot> [lnd] cfromknecht pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/f98a3c9dacc3...ebb83bc0a002
12:28 < lnd-bot> lnd/master be626df yyforyongyu: peer: use MaxMessagePayload instead of hard coding
12:28 < lnd-bot> lnd/master bf036f2 yyforyongyu: htlcswitch: close the updateFeeTimer properly
12:28 < lnd-bot> lnd/master ebb83bc Conner Fromknecht: Merge pull request #4830 from yyforyongyu/small-code-fix
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13:16 < belcher> the monero p2p network was attacked https://sethsimmons.me/posts/moneros-ongoing-network-attack/ interesting stuff
13:16 < belcher> looks like they exploited a bunch of bugs but they're fixed now in the new monero node software
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13:22 < queip> r/btc again attacks history
13:22 < queip> and keep saying Bitcoin has "1 MB" limit
13:23 < queip> good that in this time line they are sore losers and lost money by own decissions
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14:02 < midnight> grubles: They don't acknowledge that there is stuff that can be open-sources legitimately, including the preboot initialization code which sets up the chip itself for reset-state.
14:02 < midnight> grubles: Bunnie Huang details an argument he had with the SiFive people where they consider things like the preboot to be proprietary and closed.
14:03 < midnight> That Marty Bent guy's instinctual reactions are fucking brutal.
14:04 < midnight> Right before he deleted it, for a couple seconds there was a tweet up where he quoted this tweet of mine: https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/1336379724038205445 and called it "cuck thinking".
14:05 < midnight> like where the hell do people think Bitcoin's resilience even comes from? invisible sky people with light sabers?
14:06 < midnight> Remarkable the hate that even a relatively innocuous "yeah there's no way we could actually grow to seven-figure bitcoins" garners.
14:07 < midnight> (without significant additional infrastructure)
14:11 < waxwing> belcher, thanks, that's pretty interesting.
14:34 < Old_Man> Starship SN8 about to launch, on its first high-altitude test flight.
14:35 < grubles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf83yzzme2I
14:35 < grubles> livestream ^
14:36 < Old_Man> Aw dang... aborted
14:36 < Old_Man> At T-1.3 seconds :)
14:37 < Old_Man> That's some quick action on the big shiny red button.
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15:24 < Emcy> so monero already has dandelion [++?] and its working to mitigate an active persistent p2p attacker
15:25 < belcher> seems so
15:25 < Emcy> why did bitcoin stall on dandelion again
15:25 < belcher> apparently its already done the work, the software is released
15:25 < belcher> see https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/81503/what-is-the-tradeoff-between-privacy-and-implementation-complexity-of-dandelion
15:25 < Entitlement> belcher - [ bitcoincore development - What is the tradeoff between privacy and implementatio... ]
15:26 < belcher> reminder to all: electrum personal server has a feature for broadcasting txes via tor, and it if it detects tor running on your system it will use it by default
15:31 < ossifrage> Old_Man, the shiny red button blows the rocket up
15:31 < Old_Man> Fortunately, they did not press that one. They pressed the decidedly-more-boring red button. :)
15:31 < Emcy> did monero solve this dos issues
15:32 < belcher> idk
15:32 < ossifrage> With the falcon the launch abort will unzip the rocket and if you are lucky you get a giant fuel air explosion
15:32 < Emcy> like what is the ++ mean
15:32 < Old_Man> No falcon in today's test. It was just the starship.
15:32 < Old_Man> Oh well; better luck tomorrow to SpaceX!
15:33 < ossifrage> Old_Man, yeah, I don't know what level of launch abort explosives (if any) are on the starship
15:34 < ossifrage> I'd imagine they have to have something
15:35 < Old_Man> As much as I love watching explosions, I am actually rooting for their success on this one, so I hope not to have an occasion to find out. :)
15:36 < ossifrage> Old_Man, I want them to succeed, but the excitement of today's launch is partially the high chance of RUD
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16:05 < gmaxwell> I posted my bookcase pictures on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/bookshelves/comments/k9fswa/ever_since_we_built_these_shelves_ive_been/
16:13 < Emcy> why not the perspective corrected picture
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16:22 < Hash> dropped by 1k
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16:23 < Emcy> i think you just prefer having a hyperbolic bookshelf
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16:33 < gmaxwell> Emcy: I linked to the flatted one in a comment.
16:33 < gmaxwell> Emcy: the flattened one still has some stiching errors that irritate me. :(
16:34 < gmaxwell> but I'm tired of futzing with it.
16:35 < gmaxwell> I also added a non-panoramic image w/ the couch we have in there.
16:35 < gmaxwell> https://files.catbox.moe/odt37i.jpg
16:37 < Emcy> the lighting is really good
16:37 < Emcy> i used to have a room with spotlights
16:38 < Emcy> actually i have a 'reading chair' which is a recliner from some nursing home, and a tall cabient against the wall behind it with a spot lamp on the top
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16:42 < Emcy> why does your light switch have 10 buttons tho
16:43 < Emcy> all the spotlights have a switch each?
16:44 < gmaxwell> I think I read more often in a chair outside of the library that is like this: https://www.furniturepick.com/donut-shaped-accent-chair-green-coaster-furniture-co-902253.html
16:44 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Donut Shaped Accent Chair (Green) by Coaster Furniture | FurniturePick ]
16:45 < gmaxwell> Entitlement: the buttons control other stuff too, including the lights in the neighboring rooms.
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16:45 < gmaxwell> the spotlights are on a single circuit, though they're on a dimmer.  I wrote all the control software for it.. you can hold down to adjust the brightness, tap to on/off, or double tap to make it go full bright.
16:46 < gmaxwell> (they're LED spotlights too)
16:46 < Emcy> nice
16:47 < Emcy> my led lightbulb has a few switch cheat codes too, to change the brightness and stuff when i cant be bothered to use my computer to do it
16:48 < Emcy> the most useful is the code to hard reset the pos when it forgets what my wifi network is, which happens a lot
16:50 < gmaxwell> lol yeah, I don't have any wifi anything (except laptops and phones)
16:50 < gmaxwell> all my lightning control is rs485 wired industrial automation stuff.
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16:54 < Hash> with btc goin downk, rest are too
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17:02 < midnight> I broke bitcoin by complaining about how unready we were for instant global adoption.
17:03 < Hash> Doesn't matter
17:03 < Hash> I'm in for longer term hodl since 2010
17:04 < Emcy> ;;tlast
17:04 <@gribble> 18253.18
17:04 < Emcy> it all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down
17:12 < Emcy> >“Dandelion++ gives formal guarantees of resistance to deanonymization”
17:12 < Emcy> formal you say
17:13 < gmaxwell> everyone breaking out the depeche mode over a 5% decrease in price. :P
17:14 < Emcy> pink wojak
17:15 < Emcy> ppl are still not used to thousand dollar dips not being apocalyptic black monday dark night of the soul occurence
17:16 < grubles> that's why we need mBTC
17:17 < grubles> it turns it into a $1 dip :-)
17:17 < Emcy> it wont be too long before a g is just margin of error/arb bait
17:18 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/BkX2NAKFM5Q
17:21 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24658270 wojak index increasing
17:21 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - MAKING MY WAY DOWN TOWN - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
17:22 < grubles> >dumping
17:22 < grubles> >coinbase crashing
17:22 < grubles> i don't believe you.jpeg
17:23 < Emcy> biz = weak hands
17:23 < Emcy> wagie wagie get in cagie
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17:32 < gmaxwell> why do people care more about this drop than the simmilar one on the 26th?
17:35 < Emcy> nothing interesting in the news perhaps
17:36 < Emcy> its inscrutable
17:37 < Emcy> maybe its the fud about making bitcoin nodes illegal?
17:38 < midnight> where are they caring more about this drop?
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17:45 < grubles> i guess 4chan
17:57 < grubles> ;;tslb
17:57 <@gribble> Time since last block: 52 minutes and 10 seconds
18:09  * midnight shrugs
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18:41 < andytoshi> Emcy: are people posting the "tumbling tumbling down" song yet?
18:42 < andytoshi> i have 4chan blocked on my hosts file so that i don't lose my day scrolling through shit like that
18:42 < gmaxwell> "tumbling tumbling down" song?
18:42 < andytoshi> there is a song from end of evangelion
18:43 < Emcy> gmaxwell its a song from the most famouse anime depiction of the end of the world
18:43 < andytoshi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4
18:43 < Emcy> like the actual apocalyptic end
18:43 < andytoshi> it's also super catchy and not hard to play
18:43 < Emcy> where everyone turns into orange soda [no joke]
18:44 < Emcy> yeah it is catchy isnt it, given the subject matter
18:44 < Emcy> well thats evangelion for you, a mindfuck and no one really understands it
18:44 < andytoshi> i've never actually seen it, i only know it from /biz/
18:45 < gmaxwell> Evangelion is okay.
18:45 < Emcy> andytoshi watch the actual sequence then https://youtu.be/gQaafNForNs
18:45 < Emcy> if you know whats going on pls tell me
18:47 < Emcy> gmaxwell im talking to someone who says they would move more eth into BTC if they could, except that crypto-crypto trades are a taxable event, is that true or is he bullshitting me?
18:47 < gmaxwell> infinite zero, clearly they're talking about elliptic curves.
18:47 < Emcy> the guy is in the US
18:48 < andytoshi> Emcy: this is true, though i'm surprised he'd be realizing gains on eth
18:48 < gmaxwell> Emcy: sure, its a taxable event... but generally if you're using taxes as a primary decision when making an investment decision you're making a mistake.
18:48 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: eth presale people are way up and also purchases in the last year or whatever are up.
18:49 < Emcy> CGT even without touching USD? wow ok
18:49 < gmaxwell> it doesn't matter if usd is involved, otherwise people would just always avoid taxes by never using usd.
18:49 < Emcy> he said hes 50% eth 25 btc 25 ltc, a said please make that 50% btc at least, he said he cant because of taxes and he got fucked for 5 figures last time
18:50 < gmaxwell> it's not like the taxes won't be owned eventually anyways, unless he loses it all.
18:50 < andytoshi> if it makes sense to trade absent the tax hit, it probably makes sense to trade even with the tax hit
18:50 < andytoshi> right
18:51 < andytoshi> it sometimes makes sense to delay or restructure trades to get better tax treatment, but hodling to avoid the tax hit doesn't accomplish anything
18:51 < gmaxwell> sell eth, take the taxes out. Buy the bitcoin.  The bitcoin will be at a much higher tax basis than his eth was, so they'll own less taxes in the future when sold (or if they lose value, they'll get him a tax loss)
18:51 < andytoshi> although. i can imagine having the technical means totrade eth for btc, but not the technical means to trade eth for USD
18:51 < andytoshi> in which case i'd have trouble paying the tax :P
18:51 < gmaxwell> andytoshi: trade eth for btc, then sell some of the btc for usd to pay the tax.
18:52 < gmaxwell> unless its someone would just couldn't access btc or etc vs usd.
18:52 < gmaxwell> Emcy: but yeah, in any case you owe gains taxes whenever you change one asset for another. In fact, sometimes you can owe taxes without doing that if you take an action that eliminates the risk of your position.
18:53 < gmaxwell> So for example if you own a bitcoin but then also go short a bitcoin on some trading platform you may have constructively sold the bitcoin for tax purposes.
18:54 < Emcy> dang thats complicated
18:55 < gmaxwell> well, ordiary joe blow doesn't generally engage in shorts and stuff like that.
18:55 < Emcy> ok so they dont tax 'things' really, they tax value
18:55 < gmaxwell> right. if they didn't then there would be easy hax to avoid ever paying taxes.
18:55 < Emcy> yes thats true
18:57 < gmaxwell> Say he bought eth for $100/ea and it went up to $500.  So he has $400 gains.  If he trades for btc now he'll have to pay those taxes, true. but then he won't have to pay them in the future when selling the bitcoin.  (if it went up, he'll have to pay taxes on the new additional gains, ut not the gains he already paid for).
18:57 < gmaxwell> All things equal, it's preferable to delay paying taxes, of course.... but if he wanted to trade he doesn't think things are equal.
19:02 < gmaxwell> Emcy: one consideration is holding period, in the US the tax rate drops a lot if you've had the position for >1 yr.   So thats a case where it can make sense to wait it out a bit.
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19:10 < Emcy> he says he does not have the liquid assets to pay the potential cgt from 'realising' his eth by selling t for btc now lol
19:10 < Emcy> also bitching about his 3.5btc that was on mtgox
19:11 < andytoshi> i mean, both eth and btc are liquid assets are they not
19:11 < Emcy> ive been trying to disabuse this guy of eth for a while now
19:11 < andytoshi> i guess, for a while the only trading platform i had access to was an unverified polo account
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19:16 < gmaxwell> 03:10 < Emcy> he says he does not have the liquid assets to pay the potential cgt from 'realising' his eth by selling t for btc now lol
19:16 < gmaxwell> sell etc and enough usd to pay the taxes.
19:17 < Emcy> yeah i think hes just wedded to eth
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19:18 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 2f38a7c Conner Fromknecht: itest: increase recovery payment amount so htlc isn't dust
19:18 < lnd-bot> lnd/master fe2b40d Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #4850 from cfromknecht/increase-recovery-htlc-amt
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19:21 < Emcy> https://pics.me.me/gerry-adams-gerry-adams-sf-1d-heim-this-house-is-like-9832495.png i died
19:21 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (500 x 414) ]
19:40 < andytoshi> lol, linkedin asking me if i know roger
19:42 < Emcy> yeah we know him like everyone knows bernie madoff
19:43 < andytoshi> in seriousness i have exchanged maybe three words with him ever, even though we've been in the same room many times
19:44 < andytoshi> similar story with vitalik until last year
19:46 < Emcy> 3 words huh
19:46 < Emcy> if you could say 3 words to his face what would it be
19:47 < Emcy> b, cash, lol
19:47 < andytoshi> hahahh
19:47 < Emcy> BABies are dying
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20:03 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 84ee6b6 Johan T. Halseth: sweep/txgenerator: fix input witness ordering
20:03 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 74eb728 Johan T. Halseth: sweep/sweeper_test: add test for reorderd inputs
20:03 < lnd-bot> lnd/master c95c423 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #4838 from halseth/sweeper-input-script-ordering
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20:03 < gmaxwell> Emcy: then play the remi video for him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko
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20:33 < queip> , native americans [ points finger at Warren ] - kek.
20:34 < queip> hey it's bitcoin billionare. subbed
20:42 < gmaxwell> queip: I didn't catch the native americans thing until probably the 5th time I saw it. :P
20:42 < queip> :)
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