--- Log opened Wed Dec 16 00:00:48 2020
00:03 < Emcy> gmaxwell if/when you have ~25 minutes have a look at this, dont worry about the title, it relates to things we were discussing recently re: the role of increasingly unavoidable networked technology and central gatekeepers in what "truth" means to different groups of people in the modern day
00:04 < Emcy> substitute GW for Google, even......Google Watchman?
00:06 < Emcy> its even possible google will come up with some kind of AI-ish algorithm that exactly fits the role of GW here
00:06 < Emcy> and do so sooner than we think. Perhaps its already nascent
00:07 < gmaxwell> GW?
00:08 < Emcy> its in the video. the name of the AI.
00:08 < Emcy> another peice of context: this game was made in 2001
00:09 < gmaxwell> what video?
00:09 < Emcy> oh derp
00:09 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/jIYBod0ge3Y
00:10 < Emcy> its 2 parts, part 2 is 'up next'
00:10 < gmaxwell> will watch later, watching Continuum (up to S02E04 now)
00:11 < Emcy> holy crap lol. do you like it
00:12 < gmaxwell> yeah, it's pretty good.
00:14 < Emcy> sorry if i spoiled it a bit before, its been years since i saw it and i might have said a plot point
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02:12 < Emcy> midnight i think i remember you saying one that joes speech troubles today are due to a stutter he struggled with his whole life or something like that https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1338923147215638528
02:13 < Emcy> this was only 13 years ago
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02:29 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: re pins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4768828.msg46639985#msg46639985
02:29 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Collection of 18.509 found and used Brainwallets ]
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02:43 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker
02:43 <@gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19674.84, Best ask: 19685.67, Bid-ask spread: 10.83000, Last trade: 19682.8, 24 hour volume: 6590.86567223, 24 hour low: 19251.69, 24 hour high: 19759.52, 24 hour vwap: 19435.95
02:52 < gmaxwell> ;;price bch btc
02:52 <@gribble> Error: "price" is not a valid command.
02:52 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc
02:52 < deb0rah> binance 0.01453800 [-3.98%] | bittrex 0.01458362 [-3.23%] | southxchange 0.01493223 [-0.27%] | livecoin 0.01456425 [-2.13%] | hitbtc 0.01457100 [-3.92%] | graviex 0.01512050 [+10.14%] | poloniex 0.01456053 [-4.14%] | kraken 0.01457000 [-3.57%] |
02:54 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
02:54 <@gribble> 19759.52
02:54 < Emcy> shit
02:54 < Emcy> east coast just woke up
02:55 < gmaxwell> bit early for eastern time...
02:55 < Emcy> then who else
02:55 < Emcy> euros?
02:56 < gmaxwell> well it's dayime from europe to china.
02:56 < nkuttler> right, time for lunch..
02:57 < nkuttler> eh, 6am eastern time.. i was already back from my morning run by then
03:00 < Emcy> 20k today? i think 20.5 if so
03:01 < Emcy> im as qualified as any other technical analysis expert to say that
03:02 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high
03:02 <@gribble> 19869.67
03:04 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
03:04 <@gribble> 19869.67
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03:06 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
03:06 <@gribble> 19869.67
03:07 < Emcy> r/bitcoin hasnt noticed yet
03:07 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room
03:07 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
03:07 < Emcy> green wojak on the rise
03:08 < gmaxwell> there is a green wojak?
03:08 < fronti> Emcy: its in your hand.. just buy 10K BTC and i bet you will see the 20k :)
03:08 < gmaxwell> oh I've seen it before.
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03:08 < Emcy> its the opposite of pink wojak
03:09 < Emcy> well i suppose everyone holding btc is green and the shitcoiners are pink right now
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03:09 < gmaxwell> it would take a roughly million dollar purchase on gemini right now to move the price over 20k.
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03:10 < gmaxwell> damn inflation, we're well over the market cap ath now. :P
03:11 < Emcy> 1 megabux is nothing
03:11 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
03:11 <@gribble> 19869.67
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03:12 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24846722
03:12 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
03:12 < Emcy> dubs confirm
03:12 < Emcy> holy digits
03:12 < gmaxwell> Emcy: yes but one does not keep 1 megabux by engaging in such stunts. :P
03:13 < Emcy> well it doesnt have to be all from one order does it
03:14 < gmaxwell> nah. doesn't even have to be that amount, so long as some asks vanish.
03:14 < gmaxwell> Emcy: what does the 'repeating numerals' refer to?  (sorry, I'm mostly 4chan ignorant)
03:15 < Emcy> lol i thought you might ask
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03:15 < Emcy> its a game they play with the post number. Theyre all sequential and move so fast that posting is like rolling a dice
03:15 < Emcy> so you have a 10% chance of getting repeating numbers on the end etc
03:16 < Emcy> 2 repeats
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03:16 < Emcy> the post number is 24846722
03:16 < gmaxwell> even better odds in the sense that he could have gotten a 24846770 instead
03:16 < Emcy> so you roll the dice by saying 'x will happen dubs confirm' and they treat it like the will of god if the post number actually is doubles
03:17 < gmaxwell> guess the posts aren't that fast.
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03:17 < Emcy> it depends on the board
03:17 < Emcy> the numbers are sequential per board
03:18 < Emcy> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get
03:19 < Emcy> getting triples on a fast board is a pretty big deal, especially if you call trips in the post
03:22 < Emcy> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/104/731/465.png pretty sure i remember this quad dubs get lol
03:22 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (693 x 355) ]
03:22 < Emcy> and thats how patrick bateman became the get meme
03:25 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
03:25 <@gribble> 19869.67
03:27 < Emcy> https://is2.4chan.org/biz/1608115732365.png lool
03:27 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (1628 x 1628) ]
03:28 < Emcy> >roger ver got his dream fulfilled
03:28 < Emcy> someone will definitely buy porn with bcash
03:28 < Emcy> lol
03:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast
03:36 <@gribble> 19726.61
03:36 < Emcy> theres a wall there
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03:46 < Emcy> ;;tlast
03:46 <@gribble> 19732.16
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03:58 < Emcy> >At the end of the day, r/bitcoin is essentially an MLM sub that leans "libertarian weirdo" instead of "stay-at-home mom."
03:58 < Emcy> haha damn
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04:11 < gmaxwell> I've made the observation that some of these altcoins are MLM for men.
04:11 < gmaxwell> XRP being a good example.
04:12 < gmaxwell> actually check your logs here:
04:12 < gmaxwell> 16:19 < gmaxwell> Most MLM schemes target women.  I suggest, shitcoins and ICOS are MLMs for men. discuss?
04:15 < gmaxwell> "will he get his 14 btc back from mt gox?" lol
04:16 < Emcy> its a valid observation, and likely true
04:16 < Emcy> ;;tlast
04:16 <@gribble> 19804.01
04:17 < Emcy> lol i see that post
04:17 < Emcy> did he really have money on gox
04:17 < Emcy> if you check 'auto' at the bottom thread will update itself btw
04:18 < gmaxwell> yeah, he bought a small amount and then paid it to cypherdoc to make it look like he controlled cypherdoc's address.
04:18 < gmaxwell> he made the amount he paid equal his tax id number lol
04:18 < gmaxwell> so he could point to explorers and say, "see, shows my tax id number right there!"
04:18 < Emcy> jesus
04:19 < Emcy> all that stupid dancing when he could have just signed satoshis addresses [he cant]
04:20 < gmaxwell> he wasn't even so much trying to prove he was satoshi there but prove he controlled some coins he claimed he loaned out in some incohearent tax fraud scheme.
04:20 < gmaxwell> the satoshi part was just to make it sound more plausable that he had infinity bitcoins
04:23 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast
04:23 <@gribble> 19827.0
04:23 < Emcy> another run at the wall
04:24 < Emcy> if it hits 20k this thread is going to explode
04:28 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast
04:28 <@gribble> 19841.94
04:28 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker
04:28 <@gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19842.43, Best ask: 19853.36, Bid-ask spread: 10.93000, Last trade: 19841.94, 24 hour volume: 7050.36435485, 24 hour low: 19257.52, 24 hour high: 19880.21, 24 hour vwap: 19483.92
04:29 < gmaxwell> hah bitcoin stroke victim.
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04:31 < Emcy> ;;tlast
04:31 <@gribble> 19868.51
04:31 < Emcy> shit i hope we dont hit bump limit before 20k
04:32 < Emcy> i dont know the limit on this board
04:32 < Emcy> o well someone will make a new thread
04:32 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast
04:32 <@gribble> 19880.28
04:32 < gmaxwell> I was trying to get 19888 on the bot alas
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04:33 < gmaxwell> ow
04:34 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high
04:34 <@gribble> 19899.47
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04:35 < gmaxwell> imagine how nuts 4chan is gonna be when the price hits $31337.
04:36 < Emcy> they do like interesting numerals
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04:39 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high
04:39 <@gribble> 19899.47
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04:39 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast
04:39 <@gribble> 19872.95
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04:39 < gmaxwell> 19888 on gemini
04:42 < Emcy> if we breach 19910 good chance it happens today imo
04:50 < Emcy> lol theres a cashie in the thread
04:50 < Emcy> >the absolute state of cashies
04:50 < gmaxwell> Crashie amirite
04:51 < Emcy> ;;tlast
04:51 <@gribble> 19780.93
04:52 < Emcy> hnnnnnnnnnnn
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04:56 < Emcy> 210 posts i hope this isnt a 250 bump limit board
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05:01 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24849555 holy shit trips
05:01 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
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05:06 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:06 <@gribble> 19790.09
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05:34 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:34 <@gribble> 19835.27
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05:43 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:43 <@gribble> 20094.56
05:43 < Emcy> fuck fuck fuck
05:43 < Emcy> gmaxwell
05:43 < ossifrage> wee
05:44 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24849999
05:44 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
05:44 < Emcy> someone got quads. fucking QUADS. and then it blasted thru 20k
05:44 < Emcy> do you understand the power of digits now
05:46 < belcher> man i remember going on 4chan sometimes about a decade ago
05:48 < Emcy> shit i bet he went to sleep
05:48 < belcher> happy 20k, im sitting in r/bitcoin/new removing all the price posts
05:49 < belcher> what part of "Submit link NOT about price" dont they understand :p
05:49 < Emcy> ill pray for you belcher
05:49 < belcher> not even a funny meme or anything, just "OMG ITS 20K!!!!!!!"
05:49 < belcher> at least put some effort
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05:54 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:54 <@gribble> 20335.74
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05:59 < Emcy> belcher do you just allow one 20k thread and delete the rest
06:01 < Emcy> >Ruffer Investment Confirms Massive Bitcoin Investment of $744M (coindesk.com)
06:01 < Emcy> submitted 17 minutes
06:01 < Emcy> things are about to go nuts arnet they
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06:01 < belcher> yep Emcy
06:01 < belcher> gives the people somewhere to shitpost in
06:03 < Emcy> yes containment threads are useful
06:04 < Emcy> if bitcoin goes parabolic now i hope i t attracts more diversified mining
06:05 < Emcy> https://uk.reuters.com/article/crypto-currency/bitcoin-breaks-above-20000-for-first-time-idUKKBN28Q1UI
06:05 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Bitcoin breaks above $20,000 for first time | Reuters ]
06:13 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ke9uvp/it_was_happening_suddenly_didnt_have_an_available/
06:13 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ It was happening suddenly, didn't have an available screen recording program ope... ]
06:13 < Emcy> god look at the way that sell wall just got demolished right at the end
06:14 < Emcy> dont delete this one its cool
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06:16 < belcher> the automod deleted that one on its own
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06:17 < Emcy> so how do i still see it
06:17 < Emcy> idk how reddit works
06:18 < Emcy> :ttlast
06:18 < Emcy> ;;tlast
06:18 <@gribble> 20622.86
06:18 < Emcy> god
06:19 < belcher> not sure if you can
06:20 < belcher> ok iv approved it
06:21 < Emcy> nice
06:26 < belcher> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/kea29j/kraken_to_launch_bitcoin_lightning_integration_in/
06:26 < belcher> relevant to yesterday's LN discussion
06:27 < Emcy> YES
06:27 < belcher> kraken already take monero so i guess they figured they dont need blockchain analysis to keep the regulators happy
06:27 < Emcy> today is a good day for bitcoin
06:27 < belcher> they even link to btcpayserver in their post wow
06:27 < DeanGuss> Do they not use the fatf travel rule?
06:28 < belcher> no idea
06:28 < belcher> i suppose they must if its the rules now
06:28 < DeanGuss> well.. "it's the rules" not really but yeah people do it
06:33 < Emcy> https://blog.kraken.com/post/7225/a-need-for-speed-kraken-to-launch-bitcoin-lightning-%E2%9A%A1%EF%B8%8F-integration-in-2021/
06:33 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ A Need for Speed: Kraken to Launch Bitcoin Lightning ⚡️ Integration in 2021 | Kr... ]
06:34 < Emcy> they even made a super nice gif for the occasion
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06:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast
06:36 <@gribble> 20560.79
06:36 < Emcy> 20.5k see, like i said
06:39 < grubles> nice about time :-)
06:47 < Emcy> ;;tlast
06:47 <@gribble> 20556.09
06:48 < Emcy> i cant believe bitcoin actually works
06:48 < Emcy> it actually works
06:49 < Old_Man> Dang, once that psychological barrier gets busted, it's off to the races, is it?
06:50 < cncr04s> only 3300 btc to 30k on coinbase
06:50 < Emcy> .price bch btc
06:50 < deb0rah> binance 0.01456800 [-2.93%] | bittrex 0.01452671 [-2.97%] | southxchange 0.01495641 [-0.96%] | livecoin 0.01469000 [-0.22%] | hitbtc 0.01457100 [-2.74%] | graviex 0.01512050 [+10.14%] | poloniex 0.01456054 [-2.87%] | kraken 0.01456000 [-2.93%] |
06:57 < Old_Man> Of course, since we are not short-sighted day-traders, it's worth celebrating the all-time-high records on more useful time scales: we just se ta new record for the 30-day average (above $18400 for the first time), the 100-day average (above $14000 for the first time), the 365-day average (above $10300 for the first time), and the 1000-day average (above $8240 for the first time)
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07:27 < Veggen> psychologically, I guess some of those that bought and got burnt at ATH or close to and did *not* sell at a loss will consider selling here, though.
07:27 < Veggen> not sure how much it'll affect. probably not too much :)
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07:29 < Emcy> ;;tlast
07:29 <@gribble> 20681.03
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07:37 < nibbier> is the static channel backup a trustless way of recovering funds, or is it depending on the honest cooperation of the peers?
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08:05 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1339014901851951104
08:06 < Emcy> what kind of fuckin headline is this
08:09 < Old_Man> Twitter appears to have now turned off their old static-page mobile website, so using Javascript to view anything on twitter is now a hard requirement.
08:10 < Old_Man> They have, in my book, relegated themselves to the same social media category as Gab. :D Hell, even Parler lets you view people's posts without javascript. :D
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08:18 < andytoshi> ah Old_Man i remember them warning about that
08:18 < andytoshi> wondered what they were going to do
08:18 < andytoshi> "you may not read this unless we execute code on your system" lol ok fuck off
08:21 < belcher> 20k thread got to r/all !
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08:22 < Old_Man> andytoshi, that's exactly my thought.
08:22  * Old_Man goes to look at the 20k thread
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08:26 < waxwing> i just noticed (probably because i always use old.reddit.com?) that it's amusing you get the "Get Coins" button on top of r/Bitcoin lol
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08:42 < Old_Man> Welp... $20,750 is now history.
08:42 < Old_Man> .price btc
08:43 < Old_Man> .price btc usd
08:43 < deb0rah> graviex 20650.00000000 [+7.56%] | bitstamp 20801.57 [+7.40%] | gdax 20818.85 [+7.49%] | bittrex 20803.45000000 [+7.40%] | hitbtc 20765.58000000 [+7.25%] | livecoin 19916.94067000 [+4.03%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 20800.00000 [+7.41%] | bitfinex 20742.00000000 [+7.08%] | southxchange
08:43 < deb0rah> ..20739.34449700 [+8.65%] |
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09:13 < Emcy> >BCH went up yesterday. Now BTC did. This is BTC keeping pace with BCH, not the other way around.
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09:17 < Old_Man> Is that what the kids are calling, "cope-posting?"
09:17 < Old_Man> (And what Aesop called, "sour grapes?")
09:18 < Emcy> a pristine reserve of copium
09:18 < Emcy> enough to power us to the moon and beyond
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09:21 < Emcy> >How come Bitcoin Cash doesn't go up in value? Is it to keep it as a usable form of currency?
09:21 < Emcy> yes fella, thats the reason
09:22 < Old_Man> Sounds like an opportunity to explain Gresham's Law, and what he meant by "bad money."
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09:22 < gmaxwell> looks like the party started without me
09:23 < gmaxwell> damn, lol 10 minutes after I put the computer down
09:23 < Old_Man> Hahahaha, good timing
09:23 < Emcy> well i guess you went to bed
09:23 < Old_Man> S&P 500 set a new record today too though.
09:23 < Emcy> snooze u lose
09:23 < Old_Man> So it's really the dollar that's tanking.
09:23 < Old_Man> <makes plummeting sounds with his mouth>
09:24 < Emcy> ;;tlast
09:24 <@gribble> 20716.0
09:25 < Emcy> holding 20.5 ish like i thought
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09:27 < lnd-bot> [lnd] bhandras opened pull request #4869: etcd: add support for namespaces (master...etcd_namespaces) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4869
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09:36 < gmaxwell> 14:26 < belcher> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/kea29j/kraken_to_launch_bitcoin_lightning_integration_in/
09:37 < gmaxwell> 14:26 < belcher> relevant to yesterday's LN discussion
09:37 < gmaxwell> funny there was some rbtc post a day ago about how kraken was never going to have lightning
09:50 < queip> are there big international exchanges like kraken that do not require god damn selfies nor id photos and such
09:50 < grubles> yeah i made a stink about exchanges dragging their feet and someone posted it to r/btc
09:51 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc
09:51 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00846952 [-3.69%] | hitbtc 0.00847400 [-3.74%] | southxchange 0.00854569 [-2.04%] |
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10:26 <@roasbeef> nibbier: it assumes they'll eventually force close a dormant channel, or force close when prompted to do so 
10:26 <@roasbeef> it also assumes a tower instance fot he honest party, as that acts as deterrence 
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11:00 < nibbier> okay, thanks
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11:24 < Old_Man> Anybody got a color laser printer that works well in Linux? (Supported well enough by free software that it's included in distributions and can be driven by a Raspberry Pi acting as print server?)
11:26 < grubles> i have a brother laser printer that works well
11:26 < grubles> hl-l234odw
11:26 < grubles> wait i forget if it's color or not
11:33 < Old_Man> Hehe... that's a requirement for my case, but do you know if the drivers come with any distros?
11:34 < Old_Man> I have an older Brother B&W laser, but it required the installation of a package from their website as root... security bells and whistles are sounding, "hell no"
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11:38 < queip> I think it might be easier to buy a proper, open-source, 3d printer, then simply a printer xd
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12:02 < grubles> https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/1339292564265046022 <-- jesus
12:07 < gmaxwell> this person's name is Minerd? lol
12:08 < gmaxwell> wtf that audio, if they really think 400k is a fair price then $20k is a steal.
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12:13 < grubles> Scott Minerd...cousin of Bob Bitcoin
12:14 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, their 'high yield' fund only did ~5% over 10 years
12:14 < phantomcircuit> vanguard boring af funds did like 13% over the same time
12:14 < phantomcircuit> gonna say not a good person to listen to
12:20 < gmaxwell> thats really the norm for actively managed stuff.
12:20 < gmaxwell> never own a open market actively managed funds, they're all essentially scams. To the extent that they have alpha they eat it all with management fees.
12:22 < gmaxwell> some kind of closed access, hedge fund, or sector thing, sure perhaps.
12:22 < gmaxwell> But basically cash is pretty cheap, so if someone can outperform market indexes you need to ask why they're offering to let you participate.
12:23 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, in a world where you can borrow huge amounts of money almost for free, yeah that kind of has to be true
12:23 < phantomcircuit> jynx
12:24 < nibbier> I'm trying to set up a watchtower. I don't want to run a lightning node there, but it still asks me to create or unlock a wallet. Is this required for a watchtower only deployment? can this be disabled?
12:26 < nibbier> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/watchtower.md does not mention anything with that regard
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12:41 < ossifrage> gmaxwell, this is the most amazing glitch video I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/kdxc6i/dont_trip/
12:42 < ossifrage> I hope it is really a glitch video and not a post hack
12:44 < ossifrage> instagram has decided you can't watch videos without being logged in
12:45 < ossifrage> it seems this guy is quite good at it: https://www.instagram.com/connection.interruptedd/reels/
12:46 < Entitlement> ossifrage - [ Connection interrupted (@connection.interruptedd) • Instagram photos and videos ]
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13:37 < queip> apparently USA in 2 days passes a law that send people to jail in case of "breaking DMCA" (e.g. for playing for a second a copyrighted song in background of a stream) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcO8U-Evo0
13:45 < queip> !ticker --high
13:46 <@gribble> 21025.67
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13:55 < grubles> funny thing about that Minerd call is they were keeping him on instead of cutting to the Fed press conference
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14:08 < pipilainen> bunch of pump and dumpers all of them
14:08 < pipilainen> tv isn't real
14:16 < Old_Man> Wholly shit. That psychological barrier was a tough one, to hold back this train.
14:16 < Old_Man> This is a good reminder (just saw the price at $21,311.08) about how people think of valuing things.
14:20 < midnight> We're still not *totally* above all the various ATH from 2017. :-)
14:20 < belcher> the price went above 21k in 2017?
14:21 < belcher> or do you mean other metrics
14:21 < belcher> miner fee income, mania in the media
14:21 < midnight> belcher: We're not above the amount of gold ounces that bitcoin could buy in 2017 yet.
14:21 < midnight> And I think there are a few exchanges in China..
14:22 < midnight> (The ones that got disconnected from the arbitrage peeps, or the floats ran out or whatever..)
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14:26 < midnight> And.. mm.. *maybe* some exchange-rate based ATH?
14:27 < Old_Man> But the 10-day moving average is at ATH, as is the 30-day, the 100-day, the 365-day, the 1000-day... this is a far more stable increase than last time.
14:28 < Old_Man> Which is not to say this will last; I expect profit-taking dips and future crashes and shit... but I think there will at the very least be some new flooring installed.
14:28  * midnight shrugs.
14:29 < Old_Man> I'm guessing $15,000 floor?
14:29 < midnight> ehhhh..
14:29 < pipilainen> there is no floor
14:29 < pipilainen> floor is lava
14:30 < Old_Man> Well sure, standard caveats apply: unless the SHA256 alorithm is compromised with a collision attack, etc.
14:30 < Old_Man> Quantum computing algorithms are discovered... that's still a new field, lots of room for discovery.
14:30 < grubles> yeah we're not past the gold / btc ATH
14:31 < pipilainen> time to sell some bitcoin
14:31 < pipilainen> +10% is very nice
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14:32 < pipilainen> too bad the banking system is throttled
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14:32 < pipilainen> fucking AML detection
14:32 < pipilainen> forced hodler
14:33 < pipilainen> trying to cash out since 2016
14:33 < pipilainen> impossible
14:33 < pipilainen> there's always bitcoin left
14:35 < midnight> What does that mean?
14:36 < pipilainen> it's a curse
14:37 < pipilainen> impossible to get rid of the bitcoin because the fiat banking system is rate-limited
14:37 < pipilainen> and bitcoin just increases more than I can sell
14:37 < pipilainen> in a few years I'll just hold on to the bitcoin
14:39 < pipilainen> never do bitcoin, it will consume you
14:40 < midnight> Fiat banking isn't super limited depending on where you are.
14:40 < midnight> I mean..  Kraken will just auth you up to X millions if you flash them a little leg
14:41 < pipilainen> yeah I'm highest level at kraken
14:41 < pipilainen> but withdrawing to my bank.. that's the hard part
14:41 < midnight> lol what kind of shitty bank do you have
14:41 < midnight> So I can tell everyone I know not to ever use them. Good grief.
14:41 < pipilainen> that kind of shitty bank, yes
14:42 < pipilainen> I am kinda happy with everything
14:42 < belcher> which bank?
14:42 < nibbier> hmmm, I assume it's needed as it derives it's node pubkey from this?
14:42 < pipilainen> Swedbank
14:42 < midnight> Oh.
14:42 < midnight> You're Over There.
14:42 < pipilainen> Sweden yes
14:43 < midnight> I don't know why I keep forgetting that. Sorry.
14:43 < pipilainen> actually Swedbank had me investigated for money laundering/terrorist financing
14:43 < belcher> and what, they don't let krakens transfers get into your account?
14:43 < midnight> I think you've told me that maybe four times now even.
14:43 < pipilainen> they do let small amounts in
14:44 < pipilainen> so 4500 euros per month, which is a good extra salary for me
14:44 < pipilainen> I can go up to 7000, but I play it safe
14:45 < pipilainen> so they seem to be cool with everything
14:45 < pipilainen> I shared my life story with them
14:45 < midnight> what the heck?!
14:45 < midnight> :-( You have no other banking options?
14:45 < pipilainen> ofc I do
14:46 < midnight> Isn't Switzerland like right next door.
14:46 < pipilainen> nope
14:46 < pipilainen> I actually have another bank as well
14:46 < pipilainen> but I haven't transferred anything to them since they are investigated for money laundering now
14:46 < belcher> yeah you should be able to open an account anywhere in the EU iirc
14:46 < pipilainen> so they will put pressure on us customers to try to look good
14:46 < midnight> -- I guess a Canadian's idea of right next door is.. "Everyone in Europe is right next door to each other."
14:47 < belcher> im pretty sure i read estonia has some kind of online citizenship where you fill out a form online and you can start a company there and everything
14:47 < pipilainen> yeah.. I dont want to have anything to do with estonia
14:47 < midnight> .. can't believe they're messing with you like that. That's peanuts man. :(
14:47 < pipilainen> my bank(s) got caught doing money laundering in estonia
14:47 < belcher> no i mean open another account
14:48 < belcher> who knows though maybe they're ahead of you
14:48 < midnight> Corporate bank account might be an option for you. Obv. corps can't run on such piddly amounts.
14:48 < pipilainen> banks love me
14:49 < pipilainen> I just try to navigate everything as best as I can
14:50 < pipilainen> it reminds me why we need bitcoin
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14:52 < pipilainen> "bad boys move in silence" is what I tell myself
14:53 < pipilainen> you drive a 6 year old toyota, live a good life, have a job, a loan, house, kids, dont daytrade, no one will bother you
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14:57 < pipilainen> but I'm telling you, the FATF rulings are very much the real deal
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15:09 < midnight> hrm
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16:03 < midnight> holy moly there's JWU42.
16:03 < midnight> Some OG showing up with the new ath
16:03 < midnight> dang
16:14 < grubles> he's on twitter btw
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16:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast
16:36 <@gribble> 21300.92
16:36 < Emcy> wooww
16:38 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high
16:38 <@gribble> 21576.76
17:12 < grubles> ;;tlast
17:12 <@gribble> 21869.99
17:13 < midnight> Finex under stamp?!
17:14 < midnight> up is down, left is right, cats and dogs, living together
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17:20 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24850475/hol-fukc-we-did-it
17:20 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - HOL FUKC WE DID IT - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
17:21 < Emcy> i told you theyd go nuts
17:21 < Emcy> mods even stickied this thread
17:24 < Emcy> https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1608160885228.png hold on buddy you can make it
17:24 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (702 x 1013) ]
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17:25 < midnight> "sitting around, remembering the times when BTC was around $700"
17:25 < midnight> <_<
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17:44 < gmaxwell> https://twitter.com/BashCo_/status/1339175517560430593
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17:47 < Emcy> amazon, microsoft, and jpmorgan chase
17:48 <@roasbeef> nibbier: it just needs to generate some keys, you could even pass the "noseedbackup" arg or w/e it's called now 
17:49 <@roasbeef> eventually we'll have a standalone binary, but it still needs to generate some keys to authenticate to clients it encounters 
17:50 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw16tKPU0AAFJgX?format=jpg&name=900x900
17:50 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (524 x 768) ]
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17:52 < grubles> gmaxwell: shocked i'm shocked
17:54 < Emcy> im so happy about the kraken LN thing
17:54 < Emcy> its like they heard my wails yesterday and took action
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18:04 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i guess charlie is finally completely broke
18:04 < phantomcircuit> didn't take long
18:07 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the winkelvii managed to get a court to freeze 30million in his assets not that long ago (the freeze was subsiquently dropped)
18:08 < gmaxwell> maybe he went all in on bcash. :P
18:10 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, uhm not exactly they got the order but
18:10 < phantomcircuit> 'Poloniex (part of Circle Internet Financial) said it held $0.41 in bitcoin in an account belonging to Shrem, and Bittrex held roughly $4.44 combined in bitcoin and a fork currency called bitcoin gold.'
18:10 < grubles> Emcy: well it's funny because a few weeks ago they were acting like they had better altcoin things to do
18:10 < gmaxwell> lol
18:10 < grubles> practically all of blockstream who is active on twitter were asking them wen layer-2
18:11 < gmaxwell> grubles: been doing any ham stuff latey?
18:11 < grubles> and they were like "dude shitcoins make us more profit why would we bother with that"
18:12 < grubles> gmaxwell: nothing new and exciting but i've been thinking about revisiting getting my license
18:12 < grubles> had to bust out the radio for a tornado warning earlier today though
18:12 < Emcy> grubles yeah i saw that tweet recently
18:16 < gmaxwell> grubles: I recently got a VHF with a spectrum scope, and it's pretty sweet-- found a bunch of repeaters I was unaware of.
18:18 < grubles> oh that radio i got earlier in the year has one
18:19 < grubles> it's great
18:19 < gmaxwell> yeah, on HF I think they're pretty much essential.  I hadn't expected for it to be so useful on vhf.
18:20 < grubles> the xiegu one
18:20 < grubles> hm yeah i guess with VHF you're more likely to be on a popular frequency right
18:21 < grubles> for a repeater or something
18:21 < gmaxwell> yeah, on VHF everyone is just on a repeater... but turns out there are a lot of active repeaters further away that I can work that I wasn't aware of.
18:21 < grubles> how were you unaware of the ones you found? i just use repeaterbook for find all the nearby ones.
18:22 < grubles> finding*
18:22 < grubles> ok yeah that works too
18:22 < grubles> that way you can confirm you can receive them at least
18:22 < gmaxwell> Yeah, but nearby is complicated... like there are some repeaters I can work that are >60 miles away and crystal clear, and other ones 40miles away that I can't work.
18:22 < gmaxwell> because propagation is limited by topography.
18:22 < grubles> some of the ones that are supposedly nearby i either can't receive or they're just super inactive
18:23 < grubles> heh no topography here though
18:24 < gmaxwell> also even without topo repeater placement varries a lot... some things are up on 400 ft towers, other things are on the top of a 4 story building.
18:24 < grubles> but that makes sense there i suppose
18:24 < grubles> yeah true
18:25 < grubles> i've been wanting to get more serious VHF stuff
18:25 < grubles> since that seems more applicable to emergency situations
18:26 < grubles> so like a roof mount antenna that i can connect to my kenwood at the very least
18:26 < gmaxwell> good antenna placement is nice for sure.  Keep in mind the magmount antennas are intended to be put on a metal surface to act as a ground plane.
18:28 < grubles> if i can get something like the buddistick but for VHF that would be perfect
18:29 < grubles> it has a table mount so i could just attach that to a railing or something
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18:39 < grubles> i've been wanting to play around with APRS to make a mini-blockstream-satellite/radio thingy
18:40 < gmaxwell> fortunately vhf antennas don't have to be huge to be effective.
18:46 < Emcy> who runs the repeaters
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19:00 < gmaxwell> Anyone who wants to
19:00 < gmaxwell> often clubs.
19:01 < gmaxwell> it's like "who operates an IRC channel" -- though the repeaters cost a bit more than a IRC channel to run.
19:01 < gmaxwell> usually they get donated free space on towers.
19:01 < gmaxwell> then a grand or two in equipment costs.
19:05 < Eagle[TM]> yea the memes are back on bitcoinity
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19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 4a6af67 Andras Banki-Horvath: etcd: add support for namespaces
19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 5ee0d77 Andras Banki-Horvath: build: extend sample-lnd.conf with the new etcd namespace
19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master cc17dd5 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #4869 from bhandras/etcd_namespaces
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19:30 < Emcy> i just assumed there would be even more regulatory hurdling to run a repeater
19:32 < gmaxwell> nah, not in the US ... anyone can. FCC expects you to coordinate with other operators in the area.
19:33 < Emcy> pretty cool
19:34 < Emcy> community is small enough i suppose, that anyone who messes about gets sorted out without involving authorities most of the time
19:49 < gmaxwell> the FCC sometimes will fine habitual rull breakers (after the community reports them) but it's pretty rare that things escilate to that.
19:51 < gmaxwell> rule*
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20:01 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/pmddomingos/status/1339372168300253184
20:01 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/pmddomingos/status/1339285019601162240
20:01 < Emcy> brave guy
20:03 < Emcy> context: the director of AI or ML research at Nvidia went off the deep end and published a huge shitlist of names of dudes in the industry so their careers can be detroyed
20:05 < Emcy> AI constructs bearing the insane biases of their creators terrifies the fuck out of me
20:06 < Emcy> and ironically the 'AI ethicists' are the exact people most likely to cause that to happen
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20:24 < Emcy> https://animakumar.wpcomstaging.com/2020/12/16/my-heartfelt-apology/
20:24 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ My heartfelt apology | Tensorial-Professor Anima on AI ]
20:24 < Emcy> looks like someone at Nvidia finally pulled her into a quiet conference room
20:25 < Emcy> i have no idea how people with this mentality end up in such high powered, important, and well remunerated tech jobs as she did
20:26 < Emcy> well the remuneration part isnt hard to explain, tech has got money spilling out of every orifice
20:26 < gmaxwell> some of it-- maybe most of it isn't bad people-- it's like the salem witch trials.
20:26 < Emcy> tech 2020 is wall st 1980s
20:27 < Emcy> gmaxwell yeah the similarities are hard to miss
20:27 < Emcy> ive wondered whether its just....something in the american psyche
20:27 < Emcy> a country founded by puritans...
20:45 < Emcy> midnight Atari released another product....https://youtu.be/FFh1s90OSOM
20:46 < Emcy> just some outfit who wound up owning the brand, the original Atari company is obviously long gone
20:49 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i think some of these are bad people...
20:53 < gmaxwell> well also bad comes in plenty of forms.
21:06 < Emcy> >In August 2020, Atari announced the support of Blockchain-games on the console.[31]
21:06 < Emcy> wat
21:07 < gmaxwell> LONG ISLAND LONG BLOCKCHAIN
21:07 < Emcy> https://www.blockchaingamer.biz/news/14564/atari-vcs-first-blockchain-gaming-console/
21:07 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Atari VCS to become the world’s first blockchain gaming console - BlockchainGame... ]
21:07 < Emcy> >blockchaingamer
21:07 < Emcy> wat
21:08 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: like to the extent many are bad it's just the kind of pathetic office politics power games bad. It's HOA board member bad.  pushing around someone because you can, because people will cheer you along for it.
21:12 < Emcy> thos people are merely instrumentalised imo
21:13 < Emcy> there are real machiavellians pulling those peoples strings
21:14 < Emcy> the nvidia lady has clearly just been radicalised, she doesnt even really know why she did what she did
21:15 < Emcy> the classical term is 'useful idiot'
21:15 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, in some way that kind of boring everyday evil is worse than obvious evil
21:15 < phantomcircuit> it touches many more people everyday
21:17 < midnight> (possibly) Related book: http://libgen.gs/ads.php?md5=0805831F3F87B203A14337E811EA4718 :-/
21:17 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Library Genesis ]
21:19 < midnight> Shrem originally managed to humble-brag via complaining about some kind of dead fish problem at his waterside mansion.
21:20 < midnight> So. What.. happened..? Now he's just a scamcoin promoter? Jesus, he even looks beat down in that "I. Am. Sure. You. Will. Make. Money. Like. Me. And.." video from mrhodl.
21:20 < midnight> Man that mrhodl guy is brutal. Bless him.
21:21 < ossifrage> I have a frog problem whenever it rains and I don't have any clue where they go when it isn't raining
21:21 < Emcy> its raining frogs where you are?
21:21 < Emcy> egypt by any chance?
21:21 < ossifrage> They show up in my garage whenever it rains
21:22 < Emcy> well theyre just trying to get out of the rain
21:22 < Emcy> charge them a nominal fee
21:22 < ossifrage> It doesn't take many to make my garage smell like amphibians
21:24 < Emcy> i didnt know frogs had a smell
21:24 < Emcy> midnight he looks chubby huh
21:24 < ossifrage> they seem to
21:25 < Emcy> https://www.blockchaingamer.biz/news/14978/microsoft-ey-blockchain-xbox-royalties-payments/
21:25 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Microsoft using blockchain to handle all Xbox royalties and payments - Blockchai... ]
21:25 < Emcy> im still trying to find out exactly what specifically 'blockchain games' entails
21:25 < Emcy> i cant even find a technical thread to pull on
21:26 < Emcy> investor scam right
21:29 < gmaxwell> 05:13 < Emcy> there are real machiavellians pulling those peoples strings
21:29 < midnight> ooo.
21:29 < midnight> .price bsv btc
21:29 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00818959 [-5.51%] | hitbtc 0.00819000 [-5.23%] | southxchange 0.00831573 [-2.96%] |
21:29 < gmaxwell> maybe sometimes. I think machiavellians are extremely rare.
21:29 < midnight> pakow!
21:30 < midnight> .price bch btc
21:30 < deb0rah> binance 0.01414800 [-3.96%] | bittrex 0.01417112 [-4.09%] | southxchange 0.01446192 [-3.15%] | livecoin 0.01405003 [-3.69%] | hitbtc 0.01414700 [-3.93%] | bleutrade 0.01290000 [+16.09%] | graviex 0.01429588 [-5.45%] | poloniex 0.01416171 [-3.89%] | kraken 0.01414000 [-3.94%] |
21:30 < midnight> Emcy: yeh, looks chubby and unhappy. :(
21:31 < midnight> Combinations of that, plus altcoin scamming.. ouch.
21:31 < Emcy> gmaxwell they are rare, but there are unprecedented force multiplying effects which they can tap now
21:32 < midnight> ;;calc [ re "s/.*BTC\":(\\d+\.\\d+)}/\\1/g" [altprice bsv] ] / [ re "s/.*BTC\":(\\d+\.\\d+)}/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ]
21:32 <@gribble> 0.579971691437
21:32 < midnight> choke on it, ayre.
21:33 < Emcy> you mentioned before a lot of googles problems are that theyre hiring kids straight out of college who have had nil contact with the real world. They have a head full of theory and then they just go straight into googles hermetically sealed culture bubble
21:33 < Emcy> whos putting these ideas in those kids heads?
21:34 < midnight> I can get some actual research together about machiavellians..!
21:34 < midnight> Mmm..  delicious dark triad fumes..
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21:34 < Emcy> do you know that bill ayers is a college professor now
21:35 < midnight> Also, dunno if I mentioned this but I built some infrared goggles, and seeing (partially) into the infrared is .. fucking .. awesome.
21:35 < midnight> Emcy: who's that
21:36 < Emcy> there was another WU woman who copped a 50 year sentence for what they did. She served around 15 then got pardoned by clinton iirc. Now shes a college professor too
21:36 < Emcy> but iforget the name
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21:37 < midnight> Oh. Yikes. That guy's a bit messed up.
21:38 < Emcy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
21:38 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Susan Rosenberg - Wikipedia ]
21:38 < Emcy> susana rosenberg
21:38  * queip looks at berg
21:39 < Emcy> im trying to make a serious point here queip pls refrain
21:40 < Emcy> ok shes not a professor but shes still an activist
21:41 < Emcy> >After teaching for four semesters there as an adjunct instructor, the CUNY administration, responding to political pressure, forced John Jay College to end its association with Rosenberg, and her contract with the school was allowed to expire without her being rehired.[22]
21:42 < queip> Emcy: this is a fact - Rosenberg became the communications director for the American Jewish World Service
21:42 < Emcy> well she did teach for a while, but it looked too bad even for a college it seems, so she moved into non academia activism
21:42 < midnight> >:-/
21:43 < queip> engaged in bombings of government buildings - arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms
21:46 < queip> wikipedia chapter naming as function of political affiliation: "2011 terror attacks"(Breivik), "Bombings"(Ted Kaczyński), "Activism and imprisonment"(Rosenberg)
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21:54 < Emcy> midnight have you tried a VR headset with 'inside out tracking' [ie inbuilt stereo cameras in the front]
21:55 < Emcy> they can pipe the camera feed into your eyeballs so you can see without taking it off, and you get this crazy steroscopic robot vision
21:56 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i think budget machiavellians are pretty common, they're definitely pulling peoples strings, but they're unlikely to get the result they want
21:56 < Emcy> the weirdest part by far is experiencing the world with a noticeable framerate lol
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