--- Log opened Wed Dec 16 00:00:48 2020 00:03 < Emcy> gmaxwell if/when you have ~25 minutes have a look at this, dont worry about the title, it relates to things we were discussing recently re: the role of increasingly unavoidable networked technology and central gatekeepers in what "truth" means to different groups of people in the modern day 00:04 < Emcy> substitute GW for Google, even......Google Watchman? 00:06 < Emcy> its even possible google will come up with some kind of AI-ish algorithm that exactly fits the role of GW here 00:06 < Emcy> and do so sooner than we think. Perhaps its already nascent 00:07 < gmaxwell> GW? 00:08 < Emcy> its in the video. the name of the AI. 00:08 < Emcy> another peice of context: this game was made in 2001 00:09 < gmaxwell> what video? 00:09 < Emcy> oh derp 00:09 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/jIYBod0ge3Y 00:10 < Emcy> its 2 parts, part 2 is 'up next' 00:10 < gmaxwell> will watch later, watching Continuum (up to S02E04 now) 00:11 < Emcy> holy crap lol. do you like it 00:12 < gmaxwell> yeah, it's pretty good. 00:14 < Emcy> sorry if i spoiled it a bit before, its been years since i saw it and i might have said a plot point 00:18 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 00:20 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:24 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has joined #lnd 00:36 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:47 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 00:54 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:01 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 01:06 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:07 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 01:55 -!- laptop [~laptop@89.44.42.100] has joined #lnd 01:59 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 02:12 < Emcy> midnight i think i remember you saying one that joes speech troubles today are due to a stutter he struggled with his whole life or something like that https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1338923147215638528 02:13 < Emcy> this was only 13 years ago 02:13 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15 -!- jonatack [~jon@134.19.179.147] has joined #lnd 02:29 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: re pins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4768828.msg46639985#msg46639985 02:29 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Collection of 18.509 found and used Brainwallets ] 02:40 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker 02:43 <@gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19674.84, Best ask: 19685.67, Bid-ask spread: 10.83000, Last trade: 19682.8, 24 hour volume: 6590.86567223, 24 hour low: 19251.69, 24 hour high: 19759.52, 24 hour vwap: 19435.95 02:52 < gmaxwell> ;;price bch btc 02:52 <@gribble> Error: "price" is not a valid command. 02:52 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc 02:52 < deb0rah> binance 0.01453800 [-3.98%] | bittrex 0.01458362 [-3.23%] | southxchange 0.01493223 [-0.27%] | livecoin 0.01456425 [-2.13%] | hitbtc 0.01457100 [-3.92%] | graviex 0.01512050 [+10.14%] | poloniex 0.01456053 [-4.14%] | kraken 0.01457000 [-3.57%] | 02:54 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 02:54 <@gribble> 19759.52 02:54 < Emcy> shit 02:54 < Emcy> east coast just woke up 02:55 < gmaxwell> bit early for eastern time... 02:55 < Emcy> then who else 02:55 < Emcy> euros? 02:56 < gmaxwell> well it's dayime from europe to china. 02:56 < nkuttler> right, time for lunch.. 02:57 < nkuttler> eh, 6am eastern time.. i was already back from my morning run by then 03:00 < Emcy> 20k today? i think 20.5 if so 03:01 < Emcy> im as qualified as any other technical analysis expert to say that 03:02 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high 03:02 <@gribble> 19869.67 03:04 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 03:04 <@gribble> 19869.67 03:04 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:05 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:06 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 03:06 <@gribble> 19869.67 03:07 < Emcy> r/bitcoin hasnt noticed yet 03:07 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room 03:07 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 03:07 < Emcy> green wojak on the rise 03:08 < gmaxwell> there is a green wojak? 03:08 < fronti> Emcy: its in your hand.. just buy 10K BTC and i bet you will see the 20k :) 03:08 < gmaxwell> oh I've seen it before. 03:08 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:08 < Emcy> its the opposite of pink wojak 03:09 < Emcy> well i suppose everyone holding btc is green and the shitcoiners are pink right now 03:09 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:09 < gmaxwell> it would take a roughly million dollar purchase on gemini right now to move the price over 20k. 03:10 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:10 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10 < gmaxwell> damn inflation, we're well over the market cap ath now. :P 03:11 < Emcy> 1 megabux is nothing 03:11 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 03:11 <@gribble> 19869.67 03:12 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:12 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24846722 03:12 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 03:12 < Emcy> dubs confirm 03:12 < Emcy> holy digits 03:12 < gmaxwell> Emcy: yes but one does not keep 1 megabux by engaging in such stunts. :P 03:13 < Emcy> well it doesnt have to be all from one order does it 03:14 < gmaxwell> nah. doesn't even have to be that amount, so long as some asks vanish. 03:14 < gmaxwell> Emcy: what does the 'repeating numerals' refer to? (sorry, I'm mostly 4chan ignorant) 03:15 < Emcy> lol i thought you might ask 03:15 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:15 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:15 < Emcy> its a game they play with the post number. Theyre all sequential and move so fast that posting is like rolling a dice 03:15 < Emcy> so you have a 10% chance of getting repeating numbers on the end etc 03:16 < Emcy> 2 repeats 03:16 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16 < Emcy> the post number is 24846722 03:16 < gmaxwell> even better odds in the sense that he could have gotten a 24846770 instead 03:16 < Emcy> so you roll the dice by saying 'x will happen dubs confirm' and they treat it like the will of god if the post number actually is doubles 03:17 < gmaxwell> guess the posts aren't that fast. 03:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:17 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [K-Lined] 03:17 < Emcy> it depends on the board 03:17 < Emcy> the numbers are sequential per board 03:18 < Emcy> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get 03:19 < Emcy> getting triples on a fast board is a pretty big deal, especially if you call trips in the post 03:22 < Emcy> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/104/731/465.png pretty sure i remember this quad dubs get lol 03:22 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (693 x 355) ] 03:22 < Emcy> and thats how patrick bateman became the get meme 03:25 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 03:25 <@gribble> 19869.67 03:27 < Emcy> https://is2.4chan.org/biz/1608115732365.png lool 03:27 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (1628 x 1628) ] 03:28 < Emcy> >roger ver got his dream fulfilled 03:28 < Emcy> someone will definitely buy porn with bcash 03:28 < Emcy> lol 03:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast 03:36 <@gribble> 19726.61 03:36 < Emcy> theres a wall there 03:43 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad489f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 03:46 < Emcy> ;;tlast 03:46 <@gribble> 19732.16 03:48 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad489f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:51 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:51 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58 < Emcy> >At the end of the day, r/bitcoin is essentially an MLM sub that leans "libertarian weirdo" instead of "stay-at-home mom." 03:58 < Emcy> haha damn 04:00 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lnd 04:00 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #bitcoin-forks 04:04 -!- brtastic1 [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 04:07 -!- brtastic1 is now known as brtastic 04:11 < gmaxwell> I've made the observation that some of these altcoins are MLM for men. 04:11 < gmaxwell> XRP being a good example. 04:12 < gmaxwell> actually check your logs here: 04:12 < gmaxwell> 16:19 < gmaxwell> Most MLM schemes target women. I suggest, shitcoins and ICOS are MLMs for men. discuss? 04:15 < gmaxwell> "will he get his 14 btc back from mt gox?" lol 04:16 < Emcy> its a valid observation, and likely true 04:16 < Emcy> ;;tlast 04:16 <@gribble> 19804.01 04:17 < Emcy> lol i see that post 04:17 < Emcy> did he really have money on gox 04:17 < Emcy> if you check 'auto' at the bottom thread will update itself btw 04:18 < gmaxwell> yeah, he bought a small amount and then paid it to cypherdoc to make it look like he controlled cypherdoc's address. 04:18 < gmaxwell> he made the amount he paid equal his tax id number lol 04:18 < gmaxwell> so he could point to explorers and say, "see, shows my tax id number right there!" 04:18 < Emcy> jesus 04:19 < Emcy> all that stupid dancing when he could have just signed satoshis addresses [he cant] 04:20 < gmaxwell> he wasn't even so much trying to prove he was satoshi there but prove he controlled some coins he claimed he loaned out in some incohearent tax fraud scheme. 04:20 < gmaxwell> the satoshi part was just to make it sound more plausable that he had infinity bitcoins 04:23 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast 04:23 <@gribble> 19827.0 04:23 < Emcy> another run at the wall 04:24 < Emcy> if it hits 20k this thread is going to explode 04:28 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast 04:28 <@gribble> 19841.94 04:28 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker 04:28 <@gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 19842.43, Best ask: 19853.36, Bid-ask spread: 10.93000, Last trade: 19841.94, 24 hour volume: 7050.36435485, 24 hour low: 19257.52, 24 hour high: 19880.21, 24 hour vwap: 19483.92 04:29 < gmaxwell> hah bitcoin stroke victim. 04:30 -!- jonatack [~jon@134.19.179.147] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 04:31 < Emcy> ;;tlast 04:31 <@gribble> 19868.51 04:31 < Emcy> shit i hope we dont hit bump limit before 20k 04:32 < Emcy> i dont know the limit on this board 04:32 < Emcy> o well someone will make a new thread 04:32 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast 04:32 <@gribble> 19880.28 04:32 < gmaxwell> I was trying to get 19888 on the bot alas 04:33 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #lnd 04:33 < gmaxwell> ow 04:34 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high 04:34 <@gribble> 19899.47 04:35 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 04:35 < gmaxwell> imagine how nuts 4chan is gonna be when the price hits $31337. 04:36 < Emcy> they do like interesting numerals 04:38 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:39 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high 04:39 <@gribble> 19899.47 04:39 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.186.173] has joined #lnd 04:39 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast 04:39 <@gribble> 19872.95 04:39 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:39 < gmaxwell> 19888 on gemini 04:42 < Emcy> if we breach 19910 good chance it happens today imo 04:50 < Emcy> lol theres a cashie in the thread 04:50 < Emcy> >the absolute state of cashies 04:50 < gmaxwell> Crashie amirite 04:51 < Emcy> ;;tlast 04:51 <@gribble> 19780.93 04:52 < Emcy> hnnnnnnnnnnn 04:56 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 04:56 < Emcy> 210 posts i hope this isnt a 250 bump limit board 04:59 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has joined #lnd 05:01 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24849555 holy shit trips 05:01 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 05:02 -!- davterra [~davterra@107.182.237.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:05 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 05:06 < Emcy> ;;tlast 05:06 <@gribble> 19790.09 05:13 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #bitcoin-forks 05:13 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:14 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #lnd 05:26 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:34 < Emcy> ;;tlast 05:34 <@gribble> 19835.27 05:38 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 05:43 < Emcy> ;;tlast 05:43 <@gribble> 20094.56 05:43 < Emcy> fuck fuck fuck 05:43 < Emcy> gmaxwell 05:43 < ossifrage> wee 05:44 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24846707/20k-waiting-room#p24849999 05:44 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - 20k waiting room - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 05:44 < Emcy> someone got quads. fucking QUADS. and then it blasted thru 20k 05:44 < Emcy> do you understand the power of digits now 05:46 < belcher> man i remember going on 4chan sometimes about a decade ago 05:48 < Emcy> shit i bet he went to sleep 05:48 < belcher> happy 20k, im sitting in r/bitcoin/new removing all the price posts 05:49 < belcher> what part of "Submit link NOT about price" dont they understand :p 05:49 < Emcy> ill pray for you belcher 05:49 < belcher> not even a funny meme or anything, just "OMG ITS 20K!!!!!!!" 05:49 < belcher> at least put some effort 05:50 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 05:53 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 05:54 < Emcy> ;;tlast 05:54 <@gribble> 20335.74 05:56 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 05:59 < Emcy> belcher do you just allow one 20k thread and delete the rest 06:01 < Emcy> >Ruffer Investment Confirms Massive Bitcoin Investment of $744M (coindesk.com) 06:01 < Emcy> submitted 17 minutes 06:01 < Emcy> things are about to go nuts arnet they 06:01 -!- laptop [~laptop@89.44.42.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:01 < belcher> yep Emcy 06:01 < belcher> gives the people somewhere to shitpost in 06:03 < Emcy> yes containment threads are useful 06:04 < Emcy> if bitcoin goes parabolic now i hope i t attracts more diversified mining 06:05 < Emcy> https://uk.reuters.com/article/crypto-currency/bitcoin-breaks-above-20000-for-first-time-idUKKBN28Q1UI 06:05 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Bitcoin breaks above $20,000 for first time | Reuters ] 06:13 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ke9uvp/it_was_happening_suddenly_didnt_have_an_available/ 06:13 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ It was happening suddenly, didn't have an available screen recording program ope... ] 06:13 < Emcy> god look at the way that sell wall just got demolished right at the end 06:14 < Emcy> dont delete this one its cool 06:16 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 < belcher> the automod deleted that one on its own 06:16 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 06:17 < Emcy> so how do i still see it 06:17 < Emcy> idk how reddit works 06:18 < Emcy> :ttlast 06:18 < Emcy> ;;tlast 06:18 <@gribble> 20622.86 06:18 < Emcy> god 06:19 < belcher> not sure if you can 06:20 < belcher> ok iv approved it 06:21 < Emcy> nice 06:26 < belcher> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/kea29j/kraken_to_launch_bitcoin_lightning_integration_in/ 06:26 < belcher> relevant to yesterday's LN discussion 06:27 < Emcy> YES 06:27 < belcher> kraken already take monero so i guess they figured they dont need blockchain analysis to keep the regulators happy 06:27 < Emcy> today is a good day for bitcoin 06:27 < belcher> they even link to btcpayserver in their post wow 06:27 < DeanGuss> Do they not use the fatf travel rule? 06:28 < belcher> no idea 06:28 < belcher> i suppose they must if its the rules now 06:28 < DeanGuss> well.. "it's the rules" not really but yeah people do it 06:33 < Emcy> https://blog.kraken.com/post/7225/a-need-for-speed-kraken-to-launch-bitcoin-lightning-%E2%9A%A1%EF%B8%8F-integration-in-2021/ 06:33 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ A Need for Speed: Kraken to Launch Bitcoin Lightning ⚡️ Integration in 2021 | Kr... ] 06:34 < Emcy> they even made a super nice gif for the occasion 06:34 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-008-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@079-170-138-049-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 06:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast 06:36 <@gribble> 20560.79 06:36 < Emcy> 20.5k see, like i said 06:39 < grubles> nice about time :-) 06:47 < Emcy> ;;tlast 06:47 <@gribble> 20556.09 06:48 < Emcy> i cant believe bitcoin actually works 06:48 < Emcy> it actually works 06:49 < Old_Man> Dang, once that psychological barrier gets busted, it's off to the races, is it? 06:50 < cncr04s> only 3300 btc to 30k on coinbase 06:50 < Emcy> .price bch btc 06:50 < deb0rah> binance 0.01456800 [-2.93%] | bittrex 0.01452671 [-2.97%] | southxchange 0.01495641 [-0.96%] | livecoin 0.01469000 [-0.22%] | hitbtc 0.01457100 [-2.74%] | graviex 0.01512050 [+10.14%] | poloniex 0.01456054 [-2.87%] | kraken 0.01456000 [-2.93%] | 06:57 < Old_Man> Of course, since we are not short-sighted day-traders, it's worth celebrating the all-time-high records on more useful time scales: we just se ta new record for the 30-day average (above $18400 for the first time), the 100-day average (above $14000 for the first time), the 365-day average (above $10300 for the first time), and the 1000-day average (above $8240 for the first time) 07:14 -!- Bugz [~pi@035-134-224-053.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 -!- Bugz [~pi@035-134-224-053.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lnd 07:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:27 < Veggen> psychologically, I guess some of those that bought and got burnt at ATH or close to and did *not* sell at a loss will consider selling here, though. 07:27 < Veggen> not sure how much it'll affect. probably not too much :) 07:28 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29 < Emcy> ;;tlast 07:29 <@gribble> 20681.03 07:33 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-94.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 07:37 < nibbier> is the static channel backup a trustless way of recovering funds, or is it depending on the honest cooperation of the peers? 07:44 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 07:48 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:57 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:57 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 07:57 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1339014901851951104 08:06 < Emcy> what kind of fuckin headline is this 08:09 < Old_Man> Twitter appears to have now turned off their old static-page mobile website, so using Javascript to view anything on twitter is now a hard requirement. 08:10 < Old_Man> They have, in my book, relegated themselves to the same social media category as Gab. :D Hell, even Parler lets you view people's posts without javascript. :D 08:17 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 08:17 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 08:18 < andytoshi> ah Old_Man i remember them warning about that 08:18 < andytoshi> wondered what they were going to do 08:18 < andytoshi> "you may not read this unless we execute code on your system" lol ok fuck off 08:21 < belcher> 20k thread got to r/all ! 08:21 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has joined #bitcoin-forks 08:21 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has joined #lnd 08:22 < Old_Man> andytoshi, that's exactly my thought. 08:22 * Old_Man goes to look at the 20k thread 08:25 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 08:26 < waxwing> i just noticed (probably because i always use old.reddit.com?) that it's amusing you get the "Get Coins" button on top of r/Bitcoin lol 08:26 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@p54ad424f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:42 < Old_Man> Welp... $20,750 is now history. 08:42 < Old_Man> .price btc 08:43 < Old_Man> .price btc usd 08:43 < deb0rah> graviex 20650.00000000 [+7.56%] | bitstamp 20801.57 [+7.40%] | gdax 20818.85 [+7.49%] | bittrex 20803.45000000 [+7.40%] | hitbtc 20765.58000000 [+7.25%] | livecoin 19916.94067000 [+4.03%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 20800.00000 [+7.41%] | bitfinex 20742.00000000 [+7.08%] | southxchange 08:43 < deb0rah> ..20739.34449700 [+8.65%] | 08:45 -!- davterra [~davterra@107.182.237.19] has joined #lnd 09:13 < Emcy> >BCH went up yesterday. Now BTC did. This is BTC keeping pace with BCH, not the other way around. 09:16 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:16 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:17 < Old_Man> Is that what the kids are calling, "cope-posting?" 09:17 < Old_Man> (And what Aesop called, "sour grapes?") 09:18 < Emcy> a pristine reserve of copium 09:18 < Emcy> enough to power us to the moon and beyond 09:19 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 09:19 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:21 < Emcy> >How come Bitcoin Cash doesn't go up in value? Is it to keep it as a usable form of currency? 09:21 < Emcy> yes fella, thats the reason 09:22 < Old_Man> Sounds like an opportunity to explain Gresham's Law, and what he meant by "bad money." 09:22 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 09:22 < gmaxwell> looks like the party started without me 09:23 < gmaxwell> damn, lol 10 minutes after I put the computer down 09:23 < Old_Man> Hahahaha, good timing 09:23 < Emcy> well i guess you went to bed 09:23 < Old_Man> S&P 500 set a new record today too though. 09:23 < Emcy> snooze u lose 09:23 < Old_Man> So it's really the dollar that's tanking. 09:23 < Old_Man> 09:24 < Emcy> ;;tlast 09:24 <@gribble> 20716.0 09:25 < Emcy> holding 20.5 ish like i thought 09:27 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 09:27 < lnd-bot> [lnd] bhandras opened pull request #4869: etcd: add support for namespaces (master...etcd_namespaces) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4869 09:27 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 09:36 < gmaxwell> 14:26 < belcher> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/kea29j/kraken_to_launch_bitcoin_lightning_integration_in/ 09:37 < gmaxwell> 14:26 < belcher> relevant to yesterday's LN discussion 09:37 < gmaxwell> funny there was some rbtc post a day ago about how kraken was never going to have lightning 09:50 < queip> are there big international exchanges like kraken that do not require god damn selfies nor id photos and such 09:50 < grubles> yeah i made a stink about exchanges dragging their feet and someone posted it to r/btc 09:51 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc 09:51 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00846952 [-3.69%] | hitbtc 0.00847400 [-3.74%] | southxchange 0.00854569 [-2.04%] | 09:52 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:59 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #bitcoin-forks 10:03 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:04 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:24 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:26 <@roasbeef> nibbier: it assumes they'll eventually force close a dormant channel, or force close when prompted to do so 10:26 <@roasbeef> it also assumes a tower instance fot he honest party, as that acts as deterrence 10:33 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:35 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 11:00 < nibbier> okay, thanks 11:04 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:04 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:24 < Old_Man> Anybody got a color laser printer that works well in Linux? (Supported well enough by free software that it's included in distributions and can be driven by a Raspberry Pi acting as print server?) 11:26 < grubles> i have a brother laser printer that works well 11:26 < grubles> hl-l234odw 11:26 < grubles> wait i forget if it's color or not 11:33 < Old_Man> Hehe... that's a requirement for my case, but do you know if the drivers come with any distros? 11:34 < Old_Man> I have an older Brother B&W laser, but it required the installation of a package from their website as root... security bells and whistles are sounding, "hell no" 11:37 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: cncr04s 11:38 < queip> I think it might be easier to buy a proper, open-source, 3d printer, then simply a printer xd 11:38 -!- cncr04s_ [~cncr04s@afxr.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:55 -!- dq [1f04f218@31.4.242.24] has joined #lnd 11:55 -!- dq is now known as Guest24657 11:56 -!- Guest24657 [1f04f218@31.4.242.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 < grubles> https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/1339292564265046022 <-- jesus 12:07 < gmaxwell> this person's name is Minerd? lol 12:08 < gmaxwell> wtf that audio, if they really think 400k is a fair price then $20k is a steal. 12:11 -!- cncr04s_ [~cncr04s@afxr.net] has quit [Quit: See you real soon!] 12:13 -!- cncr04s [~cncr04s@unaffiliated/cncr04s] has joined #bitcoin-forks 12:13 < grubles> Scott Minerd...cousin of Bob Bitcoin 12:14 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, their 'high yield' fund only did ~5% over 10 years 12:14 < phantomcircuit> vanguard boring af funds did like 13% over the same time 12:14 < phantomcircuit> gonna say not a good person to listen to 12:20 < gmaxwell> thats really the norm for actively managed stuff. 12:20 < gmaxwell> never own a open market actively managed funds, they're all essentially scams. To the extent that they have alpha they eat it all with management fees. 12:22 < gmaxwell> some kind of closed access, hedge fund, or sector thing, sure perhaps. 12:22 < gmaxwell> But basically cash is pretty cheap, so if someone can outperform market indexes you need to ask why they're offering to let you participate. 12:23 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, in a world where you can borrow huge amounts of money almost for free, yeah that kind of has to be true 12:23 < phantomcircuit> jynx 12:24 < nibbier> I'm trying to set up a watchtower. I don't want to run a lightning node there, but it still asks me to create or unlock a wallet. Is this required for a watchtower only deployment? can this be disabled? 12:26 < nibbier> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/watchtower.md does not mention anything with that regard 12:27 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 12:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 12:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 12:41 < ossifrage> gmaxwell, this is the most amazing glitch video I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/kdxc6i/dont_trip/ 12:42 < ossifrage> I hope it is really a glitch video and not a post hack 12:44 < ossifrage> instagram has decided you can't watch videos without being logged in 12:45 < ossifrage> it seems this guy is quite good at it: https://www.instagram.com/connection.interruptedd/reels/ 12:46 < Entitlement> ossifrage - [ Connection interrupted (@connection.interruptedd) • Instagram photos and videos ] 12:46 -!- ark [~ark@89.32.80.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47 -!- ark [~ark@89.32.80.84] has joined #lnd 12:53 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:54 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:00 -!- davterra [~davterra@107.182.237.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has joined #lnd 13:10 -!- davterra [~davterra@107.182.237.19] has joined #lnd 13:13 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:15 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has joined #lnd 13:25 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has joined #lnd 13:37 < queip> apparently USA in 2 days passes a law that send people to jail in case of "breaking DMCA" (e.g. for playing for a second a copyrighted song in background of a stream) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcO8U-Evo0 13:45 < queip> !ticker --high 13:46 <@gribble> 21025.67 13:55 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55 < grubles> funny thing about that Minerd call is they were keeping him on instead of cutting to the Fed press conference 14:07 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 14:08 < pipilainen> bunch of pump and dumpers all of them 14:08 < pipilainen> tv isn't real 14:16 < Old_Man> Wholly shit. That psychological barrier was a tough one, to hold back this train. 14:16 < Old_Man> This is a good reminder (just saw the price at $21,311.08) about how people think of valuing things. 14:20 < midnight> We're still not *totally* above all the various ATH from 2017. :-) 14:20 < belcher> the price went above 21k in 2017? 14:21 < belcher> or do you mean other metrics 14:21 < belcher> miner fee income, mania in the media 14:21 < midnight> belcher: We're not above the amount of gold ounces that bitcoin could buy in 2017 yet. 14:21 < midnight> And I think there are a few exchanges in China.. 14:22 < midnight> (The ones that got disconnected from the arbitrage peeps, or the floats ran out or whatever..) 14:23 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:26 < midnight> And.. mm.. *maybe* some exchange-rate based ATH? 14:27 < Old_Man> But the 10-day moving average is at ATH, as is the 30-day, the 100-day, the 365-day, the 1000-day... this is a far more stable increase than last time. 14:28 < Old_Man> Which is not to say this will last; I expect profit-taking dips and future crashes and shit... but I think there will at the very least be some new flooring installed. 14:28 * midnight shrugs. 14:29 < Old_Man> I'm guessing $15,000 floor? 14:29 < midnight> ehhhh.. 14:29 < pipilainen> there is no floor 14:29 < pipilainen> floor is lava 14:30 < Old_Man> Well sure, standard caveats apply: unless the SHA256 alorithm is compromised with a collision attack, etc. 14:30 < Old_Man> Quantum computing algorithms are discovered... that's still a new field, lots of room for discovery. 14:30 < grubles> yeah we're not past the gold / btc ATH 14:31 < pipilainen> time to sell some bitcoin 14:31 < pipilainen> +10% is very nice 14:31 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 < pipilainen> too bad the banking system is throttled 14:32 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:32 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 14:32 < pipilainen> fucking AML detection 14:32 < pipilainen> forced hodler 14:33 < pipilainen> trying to cash out since 2016 14:33 < pipilainen> impossible 14:33 < pipilainen> there's always bitcoin left 14:35 < midnight> What does that mean? 14:36 < pipilainen> it's a curse 14:37 < pipilainen> impossible to get rid of the bitcoin because the fiat banking system is rate-limited 14:37 < pipilainen> and bitcoin just increases more than I can sell 14:37 < pipilainen> in a few years I'll just hold on to the bitcoin 14:39 < pipilainen> never do bitcoin, it will consume you 14:40 < midnight> Fiat banking isn't super limited depending on where you are. 14:40 < midnight> I mean.. Kraken will just auth you up to X millions if you flash them a little leg 14:41 < pipilainen> yeah I'm highest level at kraken 14:41 < pipilainen> but withdrawing to my bank.. that's the hard part 14:41 < midnight> lol what kind of shitty bank do you have 14:41 < midnight> So I can tell everyone I know not to ever use them. Good grief. 14:41 < pipilainen> that kind of shitty bank, yes 14:42 < pipilainen> I am kinda happy with everything 14:42 < belcher> which bank? 14:42 < nibbier> hmmm, I assume it's needed as it derives it's node pubkey from this? 14:42 < pipilainen> Swedbank 14:42 < midnight> Oh. 14:42 < midnight> You're Over There. 14:42 < pipilainen> Sweden yes 14:43 < midnight> I don't know why I keep forgetting that. Sorry. 14:43 < pipilainen> actually Swedbank had me investigated for money laundering/terrorist financing 14:43 < belcher> and what, they don't let krakens transfers get into your account? 14:43 < midnight> I think you've told me that maybe four times now even. 14:43 < pipilainen> they do let small amounts in 14:44 < pipilainen> so 4500 euros per month, which is a good extra salary for me 14:44 < pipilainen> I can go up to 7000, but I play it safe 14:45 < pipilainen> so they seem to be cool with everything 14:45 < pipilainen> I shared my life story with them 14:45 < midnight> what the heck?! 14:45 < midnight> :-( You have no other banking options? 14:45 < pipilainen> ofc I do 14:46 < midnight> Isn't Switzerland like right next door. 14:46 < pipilainen> nope 14:46 < pipilainen> I actually have another bank as well 14:46 < pipilainen> but I haven't transferred anything to them since they are investigated for money laundering now 14:46 < belcher> yeah you should be able to open an account anywhere in the EU iirc 14:46 < pipilainen> so they will put pressure on us customers to try to look good 14:46 < midnight> -- I guess a Canadian's idea of right next door is.. "Everyone in Europe is right next door to each other." 14:47 < belcher> im pretty sure i read estonia has some kind of online citizenship where you fill out a form online and you can start a company there and everything 14:47 < pipilainen> yeah.. I dont want to have anything to do with estonia 14:47 < midnight> .. can't believe they're messing with you like that. That's peanuts man. :( 14:47 < pipilainen> my bank(s) got caught doing money laundering in estonia 14:47 < belcher> no i mean open another account 14:48 < belcher> who knows though maybe they're ahead of you 14:48 < midnight> Corporate bank account might be an option for you. Obv. corps can't run on such piddly amounts. 14:48 < pipilainen> banks love me 14:49 < pipilainen> I just try to navigate everything as best as I can 14:50 < pipilainen> it reminds me why we need bitcoin 14:50 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:52 < pipilainen> "bad boys move in silence" is what I tell myself 14:53 < pipilainen> you drive a 6 year old toyota, live a good life, have a job, a loan, house, kids, dont daytrade, no one will bother you 14:55 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:55 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:57 < pipilainen> but I'm telling you, the FATF rulings are very much the real deal 14:59 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lnd 14:59 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:09 < midnight> hrm 15:15 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:15 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:23 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:24 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #lnd 15:33 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lnd 15:33 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:36 * midnight pokes at network 15:50 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:56 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 15:59 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03 < midnight> holy moly there's JWU42. 16:03 < midnight> Some OG showing up with the new ath 16:03 < midnight> dang 16:14 < grubles> he's on twitter btw 16:16 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 16:22 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:26 -!- petan [~g@wikimedia/Petrb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:36 < Emcy> ;;tlast 16:36 <@gribble> 21300.92 16:36 < Emcy> wooww 16:38 < Emcy> ;;ticker --high 16:38 <@gribble> 21576.76 17:12 < grubles> ;;tlast 17:12 <@gribble> 21869.99 17:13 < midnight> Finex under stamp?! 17:14 < midnight> up is down, left is right, cats and dogs, living together 17:16 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 17:20 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24850475/hol-fukc-we-did-it 17:20 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - HOL FUKC WE DID IT - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 17:21 < Emcy> i told you theyd go nuts 17:21 < Emcy> mods even stickied this thread 17:24 < Emcy> https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1608160885228.png hold on buddy you can make it 17:24 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (702 x 1013) ] 17:24 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: cluelessperson, phantomcircuit, betawaffle, markasoftware, michaelfolkson, windsok, x-warrior, RubenSomsen, nioc, achow101, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:24 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: valwal_, phantomcircuit, betawaffle, takinbo, michaelfolkson, windsok, mmitech___, scalability-junk, achow101 17:25 < midnight> "sitting around, remembering the times when BTC was around $700" 17:25 < midnight> <_< 17:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: takinbo, achow101, michaelfolkson, windsok, betawaffle, phantomcircuit, valwal_, scalability-junk, mmitech___ 17:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: RubenSomsen, achow101, michaelfolkson, windsok, cluelessperson, nioc, betawaffle, phantomcircuit, ccook, markasoftware (+1 more) 17:31 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:32 < Emcy> whats up with freenode lately 17:33 -!- betawaffle [sid2730@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwsshpoaasjiiopc] has quit [Ping timeout: 249 seconds] 17:33 -!- betawaffle [sid2730@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwsshpoaasjiiopc] has quit [Ping timeout: 249 seconds] 17:33 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:33 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 17:33 -!- betawaffle [sid2730@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqipatfmsyxtpnsb] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:33 -!- betawaffle [sid2730@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqipatfmsyxtpnsb] has joined #lnd 17:44 < gmaxwell> https://twitter.com/BashCo_/status/1339175517560430593 17:44 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 17:47 < Emcy> amazon, microsoft, and jpmorgan chase 17:48 <@roasbeef> nibbier: it just needs to generate some keys, you could even pass the "noseedbackup" arg or w/e it's called now 17:49 <@roasbeef> eventually we'll have a standalone binary, but it still needs to generate some keys to authenticate to clients it encounters 17:50 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw16tKPU0AAFJgX?format=jpg&name=900x900 17:50 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (524 x 768) ] 17:50 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52 < grubles> gmaxwell: shocked i'm shocked 17:54 < Emcy> im so happy about the kraken LN thing 17:54 < Emcy> its like they heard my wails yesterday and took action 17:55 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:55 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 17:58 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 18:02 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-96.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:04 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i guess charlie is finally completely broke 18:04 < phantomcircuit> didn't take long 18:07 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the winkelvii managed to get a court to freeze 30million in his assets not that long ago (the freeze was subsiquently dropped) 18:08 < gmaxwell> maybe he went all in on bcash. :P 18:10 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, uhm not exactly they got the order but 18:10 < phantomcircuit> 'Poloniex (part of Circle Internet Financial) said it held $0.41 in bitcoin in an account belonging to Shrem, and Bittrex held roughly $4.44 combined in bitcoin and a fork currency called bitcoin gold.' 18:10 < grubles> Emcy: well it's funny because a few weeks ago they were acting like they had better altcoin things to do 18:10 < gmaxwell> lol 18:10 < grubles> practically all of blockstream who is active on twitter were asking them wen layer-2 18:11 < gmaxwell> grubles: been doing any ham stuff latey? 18:11 < grubles> and they were like "dude shitcoins make us more profit why would we bother with that" 18:12 < grubles> gmaxwell: nothing new and exciting but i've been thinking about revisiting getting my license 18:12 < grubles> had to bust out the radio for a tornado warning earlier today though 18:12 < Emcy> grubles yeah i saw that tweet recently 18:16 < gmaxwell> grubles: I recently got a VHF with a spectrum scope, and it's pretty sweet-- found a bunch of repeaters I was unaware of. 18:18 < grubles> oh that radio i got earlier in the year has one 18:19 < grubles> it's great 18:19 < gmaxwell> yeah, on HF I think they're pretty much essential. I hadn't expected for it to be so useful on vhf. 18:20 < grubles> the xiegu one 18:20 < grubles> hm yeah i guess with VHF you're more likely to be on a popular frequency right 18:21 < grubles> for a repeater or something 18:21 < gmaxwell> yeah, on VHF everyone is just on a repeater... but turns out there are a lot of active repeaters further away that I can work that I wasn't aware of. 18:21 < grubles> how were you unaware of the ones you found? i just use repeaterbook for find all the nearby ones. 18:22 < grubles> finding* 18:22 < grubles> ok yeah that works too 18:22 < grubles> that way you can confirm you can receive them at least 18:22 < gmaxwell> Yeah, but nearby is complicated... like there are some repeaters I can work that are >60 miles away and crystal clear, and other ones 40miles away that I can't work. 18:22 < gmaxwell> because propagation is limited by topography. 18:22 < grubles> some of the ones that are supposedly nearby i either can't receive or they're just super inactive 18:23 < grubles> heh no topography here though 18:24 < gmaxwell> also even without topo repeater placement varries a lot... some things are up on 400 ft towers, other things are on the top of a 4 story building. 18:24 < grubles> but that makes sense there i suppose 18:24 < grubles> yeah true 18:25 < grubles> i've been wanting to get more serious VHF stuff 18:25 < grubles> since that seems more applicable to emergency situations 18:26 < grubles> so like a roof mount antenna that i can connect to my kenwood at the very least 18:26 < gmaxwell> good antenna placement is nice for sure. Keep in mind the magmount antennas are intended to be put on a metal surface to act as a ground plane. 18:28 < grubles> if i can get something like the buddistick but for VHF that would be perfect 18:29 < grubles> it has a table mount so i could just attach that to a railing or something 18:30 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:30 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 18:39 < grubles> i've been wanting to play around with APRS to make a mini-blockstream-satellite/radio thingy 18:40 < gmaxwell> fortunately vhf antennas don't have to be huge to be effective. 18:46 < Emcy> who runs the repeaters 18:49 -!- mips_ [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has joined #lnd 18:50 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:51 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 18:52 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #lnd 19:00 < gmaxwell> Anyone who wants to 19:00 < gmaxwell> often clubs. 19:01 < gmaxwell> it's like "who operates an IRC channel" -- though the repeaters cost a bit more than a IRC channel to run. 19:01 < gmaxwell> usually they get donated free space on towers. 19:01 < gmaxwell> then a grand or two in equipment costs. 19:05 < Eagle[TM]> yea the memes are back on bitcoinity 19:18 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 19:18 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef merged pull request #4869: etcd: add support for namespaces (master...etcd_namespaces) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4869 19:18 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 19:19 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 19:19 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/f9641cdc64a9...cc17dd580491 19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 4a6af67 Andras Banki-Horvath: etcd: add support for namespaces 19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 5ee0d77 Andras Banki-Horvath: build: extend sample-lnd.conf with the new etcd namespace 19:19 < lnd-bot> lnd/master cc17dd5 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #4869 from bhandras/etcd_namespaces 19:19 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 19:30 < Emcy> i just assumed there would be even more regulatory hurdling to run a repeater 19:32 < gmaxwell> nah, not in the US ... anyone can. FCC expects you to coordinate with other operators in the area. 19:33 < Emcy> pretty cool 19:34 < Emcy> community is small enough i suppose, that anyone who messes about gets sorted out without involving authorities most of the time 19:49 < gmaxwell> the FCC sometimes will fine habitual rull breakers (after the community reports them) but it's pretty rare that things escilate to that. 19:51 < gmaxwell> rule* 19:53 -!- davterra [~davterra@107.182.237.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:01 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/pmddomingos/status/1339372168300253184 20:01 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/pmddomingos/status/1339285019601162240 20:01 < Emcy> brave guy 20:03 < Emcy> context: the director of AI or ML research at Nvidia went off the deep end and published a huge shitlist of names of dudes in the industry so their careers can be detroyed 20:05 < Emcy> AI constructs bearing the insane biases of their creators terrifies the fuck out of me 20:06 < Emcy> and ironically the 'AI ethicists' are the exact people most likely to cause that to happen 20:18 -!- badpixel [~badpixel@unaffiliated/badpixel] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:22 -!- badpixel [~badpixel@unaffiliated/badpixel] has joined #bitcoin-forks 20:24 < Emcy> https://animakumar.wpcomstaging.com/2020/12/16/my-heartfelt-apology/ 20:24 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ My heartfelt apology | Tensorial-Professor Anima on AI ] 20:24 < Emcy> looks like someone at Nvidia finally pulled her into a quiet conference room 20:25 < Emcy> i have no idea how people with this mentality end up in such high powered, important, and well remunerated tech jobs as she did 20:26 < Emcy> well the remuneration part isnt hard to explain, tech has got money spilling out of every orifice 20:26 < gmaxwell> some of it-- maybe most of it isn't bad people-- it's like the salem witch trials. 20:26 < Emcy> tech 2020 is wall st 1980s 20:27 < Emcy> gmaxwell yeah the similarities are hard to miss 20:27 < Emcy> ive wondered whether its just....something in the american psyche 20:27 < Emcy> a country founded by puritans... 20:45 < Emcy> midnight Atari released another product....https://youtu.be/FFh1s90OSOM 20:46 < Emcy> just some outfit who wound up owning the brand, the original Atari company is obviously long gone 20:49 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i think some of these are bad people... 20:53 < gmaxwell> well also bad comes in plenty of forms. 21:06 < Emcy> >In August 2020, Atari announced the support of Blockchain-games on the console.[31] 21:06 < Emcy> wat 21:07 < gmaxwell> LONG ISLAND LONG BLOCKCHAIN 21:07 < Emcy> https://www.blockchaingamer.biz/news/14564/atari-vcs-first-blockchain-gaming-console/ 21:07 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Atari VCS to become the world’s first blockchain gaming console - BlockchainGame... ] 21:07 < Emcy> >blockchaingamer 21:07 < Emcy> wat 21:08 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: like to the extent many are bad it's just the kind of pathetic office politics power games bad. It's HOA board member bad. pushing around someone because you can, because people will cheer you along for it. 21:12 < Emcy> thos people are merely instrumentalised imo 21:13 < Emcy> there are real machiavellians pulling those peoples strings 21:14 < Emcy> the nvidia lady has clearly just been radicalised, she doesnt even really know why she did what she did 21:15 < Emcy> the classical term is 'useful idiot' 21:15 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, in some way that kind of boring everyday evil is worse than obvious evil 21:15 < phantomcircuit> it touches many more people everyday 21:17 < midnight> (possibly) Related book: http://libgen.gs/ads.php?md5=0805831F3F87B203A14337E811EA4718 :-/ 21:17 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Library Genesis ] 21:19 < midnight> Shrem originally managed to humble-brag via complaining about some kind of dead fish problem at his waterside mansion. 21:20 < midnight> So. What.. happened..? Now he's just a scamcoin promoter? Jesus, he even looks beat down in that "I. Am. Sure. You. Will. Make. Money. Like. Me. And.." video from mrhodl. 21:20 < midnight> Man that mrhodl guy is brutal. Bless him. 21:21 < ossifrage> I have a frog problem whenever it rains and I don't have any clue where they go when it isn't raining 21:21 < Emcy> its raining frogs where you are? 21:21 < Emcy> egypt by any chance? 21:21 < ossifrage> They show up in my garage whenever it rains 21:22 < Emcy> well theyre just trying to get out of the rain 21:22 < Emcy> charge them a nominal fee 21:22 < ossifrage> It doesn't take many to make my garage smell like amphibians 21:24 < Emcy> i didnt know frogs had a smell 21:24 < Emcy> midnight he looks chubby huh 21:24 < ossifrage> they seem to 21:25 < Emcy> https://www.blockchaingamer.biz/news/14978/microsoft-ey-blockchain-xbox-royalties-payments/ 21:25 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Microsoft using blockchain to handle all Xbox royalties and payments - Blockchai... ] 21:25 < Emcy> im still trying to find out exactly what specifically 'blockchain games' entails 21:25 < Emcy> i cant even find a technical thread to pull on 21:26 < Emcy> investor scam right 21:29 < gmaxwell> 05:13 < Emcy> there are real machiavellians pulling those peoples strings 21:29 < midnight> ooo. 21:29 < midnight> .price bsv btc 21:29 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00818959 [-5.51%] | hitbtc 0.00819000 [-5.23%] | southxchange 0.00831573 [-2.96%] | 21:29 < gmaxwell> maybe sometimes. I think machiavellians are extremely rare. 21:29 < midnight> pakow! 21:30 < midnight> .price bch btc 21:30 < deb0rah> binance 0.01414800 [-3.96%] | bittrex 0.01417112 [-4.09%] | southxchange 0.01446192 [-3.15%] | livecoin 0.01405003 [-3.69%] | hitbtc 0.01414700 [-3.93%] | bleutrade 0.01290000 [+16.09%] | graviex 0.01429588 [-5.45%] | poloniex 0.01416171 [-3.89%] | kraken 0.01414000 [-3.94%] | 21:30 < midnight> Emcy: yeh, looks chubby and unhappy. :( 21:31 < midnight> Combinations of that, plus altcoin scamming.. ouch. 21:31 < Emcy> gmaxwell they are rare, but there are unprecedented force multiplying effects which they can tap now 21:32 < midnight> ;;calc [ re "s/.*BTC\":(\\d+\.\\d+)}/\\1/g" [altprice bsv] ] / [ re "s/.*BTC\":(\\d+\.\\d+)}/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ] 21:32 <@gribble> 0.579971691437 21:32 < midnight> choke on it, ayre. 21:33 < Emcy> you mentioned before a lot of googles problems are that theyre hiring kids straight out of college who have had nil contact with the real world. They have a head full of theory and then they just go straight into googles hermetically sealed culture bubble 21:33 < Emcy> whos putting these ideas in those kids heads? 21:34 < midnight> I can get some actual research together about machiavellians..! 21:34 < midnight> Mmm.. delicious dark triad fumes.. 21:34 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34 < Emcy> do you know that bill ayers is a college professor now 21:35 < midnight> Also, dunno if I mentioned this but I built some infrared goggles, and seeing (partially) into the infrared is .. fucking .. awesome. 21:35 < midnight> Emcy: who's that 21:36 < Emcy> there was another WU woman who copped a 50 year sentence for what they did. She served around 15 then got pardoned by clinton iirc. Now shes a college professor too 21:36 < Emcy> but iforget the name 21:36 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 21:37 < midnight> Oh. Yikes. That guy's a bit messed up. 21:38 < Emcy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg 21:38 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Susan Rosenberg - Wikipedia ] 21:38 < Emcy> susana rosenberg 21:38 * queip looks at berg 21:39 < Emcy> im trying to make a serious point here queip pls refrain 21:40 < Emcy> ok shes not a professor but shes still an activist 21:41 < Emcy> >After teaching for four semesters there as an adjunct instructor, the CUNY administration, responding to political pressure, forced John Jay College to end its association with Rosenberg, and her contract with the school was allowed to expire without her being rehired.[22] 21:42 < queip> Emcy: this is a fact - Rosenberg became the communications director for the American Jewish World Service 21:42 < Emcy> well she did teach for a while, but it looked too bad even for a college it seems, so she moved into non academia activism 21:42 < midnight> >:-/ 21:43 < queip> engaged in bombings of government buildings - arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms 21:46 < queip> wikipedia chapter naming as function of political affiliation: "2011 terror attacks"(Breivik), "Bombings"(Ted Kaczyński), "Activism and imprisonment"(Rosenberg) 21:51 -!- holland [05841dbd@189-29-132-5.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #bitcoin-forks 21:53 -!- holland [05841dbd@189-29-132-5.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54 < Emcy> midnight have you tried a VR headset with 'inside out tracking' [ie inbuilt stereo cameras in the front] 21:55 < Emcy> they can pipe the camera feed into your eyeballs so you can see without taking it off, and you get this crazy steroscopic robot vision 21:56 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i think budget machiavellians are pretty common, they're definitely pulling peoples strings, but they're unlikely to get the result they want 21:56 < Emcy> the weirdest part by far is experiencing the world with a noticeable framerate lol 22:00 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12 -!- mips_ [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #lnd 23:14 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Quit: %bye%] 23:15 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 23:15 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 23:32 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has joined #lnd 23:36 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 23:36 -!- HeySteve2 [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd --- Log closed Thu Dec 17 00:00:49 2020