--- Log opened Sun Dec 20 00:00:52 2020 00:01 < Emcy> >you lumpen parasite 00:01 < Emcy> haha nice, first encounter with a reddit commie or what 00:02 < Emcy> that leopardseatface sub is part of their sphere for sure 00:04 < Emcy> a lot of it is the chapo diaspora 00:04 < midnight> that's um. tcatm right? 00:05 < Emcy> reddit admins are stupid so they think banning huge, hardcore subs removes its users from the mix permanently 00:05 < midnight> Emcy: which sub..? 00:05 < Emcy> its more like lancing a huge boil without any tissue paper handy..... 00:06 < Emcy> midnight https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/kdzs0h/im_all_in_with_politicizing_masks/gg0bgnb/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 00:06 < midnight> oh.. I see. the sub is gone now 00:06 < midnight> oh 00:06 < Emcy> the other was was i think r/chapotraphouse 00:08 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has joined #bitcoin-forks 00:08 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has quit [Changing host] 00:08 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 00:08 -!- HeySteve2 [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08 < Emcy> it used to be full of the most violent revolutionary rhetoric, and the only reason it lasted so long was because of reddit staffers biases 00:12 < midnight> bitcoincharts is tcatm isn't it..? 00:12 < midnight> I forget now. 00:13 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:13 < midnight> I seem to recall he was a reasonable fellow. 00:15 < midnight> "PLEASE DO NOT POST ACTUAL DEPICTIONS OF VIOLENCE OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MAULED BY ANIMALS ESPECIALLY IF THE ANIMALS ARE NOT LEOPARDS" awesome 00:17 < Emcy> i think i mentioned before that one faction was evil for politicising mask usage, and the other was stupid for falling for it 00:18 < Emcy> 'if only people would wear masks!' rings hollow when you went and turned it into a tribal signifier. what did you think would happen? 00:23 < nkuttler> making mask wearing in public socially acceptable is a huge win for privacy 00:25 < Emcy> yes 00:26 < gmaxwell> https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/84370/bitmain-bitcoin-spinoff-fight-end 00:26 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Bitmain set to spin out business lines in bid to end the bitcoin mining giant's ... ] 00:29 < Emcy> wow 00:30 < nkuttler> wow invasive ad indeed 00:30 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 00:32 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 < Emcy> so jihan gets the asic mfr side and his partner/rival gets the bitcoin mining operations 00:32 < Emcy> and also this little escapade cost them 13 billion dollar sin valuation is that right 00:35 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 00:37 < gmaxwell> " 00:37 < gmaxwell> Wu will take BitDeer, BTC.com and the overseas mining farms, according to the article. His rival co-founder Zhan will formally return to take charge of Bitmain's manufacturing and AI businesses, Antpool, and domestic mining farms." 00:38 < Emcy> o i got the names backwards 00:39 < Emcy> still sounds like zahn ends up with the lions share of the bitcoin hashrate? 00:39 < gmaxwell> because of chinese names the article doesn't use the names we'd normally use. 00:39 < gmaxwell> unclear but he ends up with the hardware business. 00:40 < Emcy> he gets antpool and the mainland hash mines 00:40 < Emcy> never heard of bitdeer, and i dont know what kind of foreign mining ops bitmain has 00:42 < Emcy> in any case, bitmains hashrate becomes fractured into two significant entities nominally competing against each other, this is good for bitcoin 00:43 < Emcy> a rare case of mining deconsolidation caused by incompetence and egos lol 00:45 < Emcy> all thats needed now is the pro ipo investor lawsuits for wiping 13bn value lol 00:46 < midnight> maybe this other guy will be more cooperative 00:46 < Emcy> well perhaps he will be less antagonistic at least 00:47 < Emcy> at the end of the day though both of them are still ccp subjects, if china decides to become an antagonist 00:48 < Emcy> but for now perhaps this was good timing re: taproot 00:50 * midnight shrugs 00:51 < midnight> douchebasgs gonna douche 01:42 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 02:00 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 02:05 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-106.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:31 < gmaxwell> when new ath??? 02:31 < gmaxwell> bored now 02:36 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 02:47 -!- raefe [uid193627@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hkiqirlhurvgankt] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:03 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc 03:03 < deb0rah> binance 0.01480000 [+7.22%] | bittrex 0.01475170 [+6.73%] | southxchange 0.01485624 [+7.62%] | livecoin 0.01438296 [+4.17%] | hitbtc 0.01480400 [+7.30%] | bleutrade 0.01200000 [-6.98%] | graviex 0.01533916 [+11.73%] | poloniex 0.01480639 [+7.41%] | kraken 0.01479000 [+7.17%] | 03:10 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:19 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 03:22 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-124.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 03:24 < queip> booooooooooooooooring 03:24 < queip> gmaxwell could you post with luke and others that you are all moving to bcash or smth 03:24 < queip> it's getting hard to accumulate stats. plus at least some action 03:25 < Emcy> oh damn my thinkpad power cable has green goo rot 03:25 < Emcy> damn it, genuine ones are not easy to find anymore 03:25 < Emcy> this is the second time the green goo has gotten me 03:26 < gmaxwell> fluffypony wrote me tonight to comment that someone is going around spreading some rumor that bitcoin developers are secretly contributing to some shitcoin that the rumor spreaders are pumping. 03:26 < gmaxwell> green goo rot? 03:26 < Emcy> yes, its literally turning into green goo 03:27 < Emcy> its the plasticiser falling out of whatever chemical structures make up the kind of plastic they make bendy power cables from 03:27 < Emcy> and transforming into goo 03:28 < queip> so much for permanent plastic, another ecomyth debuuuunked 03:29 < Emcy> https://www.diynot.com/diy/media/untitled.21177/full didnt you ever see this stuff when rewiring all your 100 year old wiring that was in your house 03:29 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (800 x 449) ] 03:30 < Emcy> also thats pretty nice of fluffy to keepa ear out for you like that 03:30 < queip> WTF 03:30 < queip> no 03:30 < queip> Emcy: what are you doing these plastics out of in UK 03:30 < queip> maybe they should start making shopping bags from ibm thinkapds power cables tho 03:31 < Emcy> all plastics de-plasticise eventually 03:31 < Emcy> thats not the same as biodegradable lol 03:31 < Emcy> the mail tubs i had outside for months over summer got so brittle in the sun that they just fell apart like dry crackers 03:32 < gmaxwell> wow, I've never seen cables do that, I think. 03:32 < Emcy> rly 03:33 < queip> I never seen anything like it 03:33 < Emcy> this is the decond time a laptop power cable has gone gooey on me 03:33 < gmaxwell> I have had some thinkpad tables get stiff as they get older though.. but never emitting green goo. 03:33 < queip> lol I was also typing that they can get siff. or at most crumble I gueees 03:33 < Emcy> apparently the goo starts on the inside, you ony see it if the sheath is split 03:34 < queip> were you submerging your room in oil? like some miners 03:34 < Emcy> no i was not 03:34 < gmaxwell> I've cut apart many power cables, still never seen green goo that I can recall. 03:35 < queip> Emcy probably thinks it's normal, while he has home infested with slime mold xd 03:35 < Emcy> my house is not full of mould 03:36 < gmaxwell> I notice googling that a lot of the hits are UK 03:36 < Emcy> i got one spot of mould in the stairwell high where i cant reach it 03:37 < Emcy> hmm. maybe its some additive that stops the goo in the US, but its banned here? 03:37 < Emcy> http://natural-spark.co.uk/img/green.png 03:37 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (865 x 682) ] 03:37 < Emcy> uk.... 03:37 < gmaxwell> "It is understood that this phenomenon is most prevalent where pvc cables manufactured between 1965 and 1971 have been used" 03:38 < gmaxwell> hm, it might be more common in the uk due to higher voltages, e.g. using insultion with a higher rating. 03:39 < Emcy> yea that might be it 03:39 < gmaxwell> I see au and nz pages too. 03:39 < Emcy> hmm 03:39 < queip> Poland also 220V and this doesn't happen 03:39 < queip> well, 230 03:39 < Emcy> all places where queen Elizabeth is still head of state 03:39 < Emcy> pretty suspicious 03:40 < queip> maybe it's the Royal Jelly 03:40 < gmaxwell> "- The green exudate is mildly toxic and can cause burning and irritation, especially to mucous membranes such as in the eyes, nose and mouth. 03:40 < gmaxwell> - There has been no epidemiological link established with cancer in humans. " 03:41 < gmaxwell> in poland perhaps you'd call it something different. 03:41 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:41 < gmaxwell> I think in america we would call it "green goo" or "green slime" 03:41 < Emcy> well now you know to keep a lookout for green goo at least 03:42 < Emcy> it might be a telltale of overheating cables too 03:42 < Emcy> heat speeds up the process 03:43 < gmaxwell> "The chemical di-octyl phthalate has been found in research to be toxic. It was banned in the USA in 1994; for use as a plasticiser in childrens toys. It is still used in Europe." 03:44 < Emcy> yeah thats probably it 03:44 < gmaxwell> sounds like uk had some temp ratings requirement that caused the use of this paricular process. 03:44 < gmaxwell> and additional the US has banned it in at least some applications. 03:45 < gmaxwell> I can't say for sure that I've NEVER encountered it, but certantly not recently or commonly. 03:45 < Emcy> you might have some in your house if youve still got some real old wiring 03:45 < Emcy> doesnt sound like it really causes a problem though 03:46 < Emcy> as long as you leave it alone 03:46 < Emcy> kinda like asbestos 03:46 < Victorsueca> I thought EU was the one that usually had stricter safety guidelines and banned chemicals if they had any suspicion they could be toxic 03:46 < gmaxwell> yeah, sees harmless, don't eat it. 03:48 < gmaxwell> Victorsueca: dunno I think they're just different. US bans tons of chemicals in consumer products... 03:49 < gmaxwell> you hear about the stuff that doesn't get banned but probably should have been. 03:50 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-124.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 03:52 < Emcy> >next stop is 500 usd. 03:52 < Emcy> if this hits then its straight to 1000 usd 03:52 < Emcy> >Call me crazy but it is still possible to break 2000 usd/bch by the end of this year even though there are not too many days left anymore. 03:52 < Emcy> what are they hotboxing in there? 03:53 < Emcy> >BCH bottom should be $4600... 03:54 < queip> I knew I read this before 03:54 < queip> phthalate 03:55 < queip> here blogger turns a phthalate from plastic/latex gloves into grape-flavoured drink - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFZ5jQ0yuNA 03:57 < Emcy> >Bitcoin's Inception: A 340-Page Book Compiles All of Satoshi's Writings in Chronological Order 03:57 < Victorsueca> Unexpected NileRed, I think I watched pretty much all his videos 03:57 < Emcy> finally they have an actual scripture to refer to for all questions and concepts they come across 03:57 < Emcy> >includes 3 unreleased satoshi emails 03:58 < Emcy> i bet that hearn again 04:00 < queip> Victorsueca: - ok so should I make educational vids... or just start an easy cooking show? - yes. 04:02 < Emcy> start a polism asmr channel make megabucks 04:03 < gmaxwell> '3 unreleased satoshi emails' -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Israel#Literary_forgery 04:03 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Lee Israel - Wikipedia ] 04:04 < queip> perfect guy for 4ch conspiracy thread tho 04:09 < queip> it's all phthalate -> Because they are not chemically bonded to the host plastics, phthalates are released from the plastic article by relatively gentle means. For example, they can be removed by heating or by extraction with organic solvents. 04:10 < queip> Lower-molecular-weight ... why it's often a problem making substance more toxic/carcinogenic? are they too small and are like "dust" that e.g. gets into this units that replicate DNA/RNA or smth? 04:11 < gmaxwell> Emcy: it's funny to see them getting all foamy about bch/btc ratio when it's merely gone back to where it was three days ago. 04:11 < Emcy> the cope is strong 04:12 < Emcy> still cant undo the fact it hit a new atl lol 04:12 < gmaxwell> I wonder who's foolish enough to buy into these pumps? 04:16 < Emcy> well i actually know someone who thinking 'stacking sats' means daytrading shitcoins to turn into sats 04:16 < Emcy> at least hes smart enough to actually exit into btc 04:17 < Emcy> >a Noël Coward expert insisted that Coward would not have referenced his homosexual activities so enthusiastically in letters at a time when such behavior would be punished with a prison sentence. 04:17 < Emcy> lol busted 04:21 < Emcy> lol her forged letters are genuinely valuable in themselves now, for being notorious forgeries 04:21 < Emcy> nice 04:24 < gmaxwell> new theory of value for bcash! notorious forgery! 04:26 < Emcy> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 04:26 < Emcy> yes, as good an explanation as any for why its not zero dollars 04:28 < Emcy> >Hi, my name is Elong Mask and I sold my Bitcoin for the more useful Bitcoin Cash today. Whoever pumped Bitcoin is stupid enough to give me more money to buy more Bitcoin Cash. 04:29 < Emcy> speaking of knockoffs 04:38 < Emcy> >Dutch government bans air travel from UK after discovering virus variant 04:39 < Emcy> this is exactly what happened in the 28 days trilogy 04:43 < Emcy> nearly the entire country is on 'tier 4' or tier 3 lockdown now as of last night AKA "christmas is cancelled kids" 04:43 < Emcy> >No-one in tier four will be allowed to join Christmas Day bubbles in tiers one to three 04:43 < Emcy> what the fuck does this even mean 04:46 < Emcy> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518 04:46 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Covid: What are the new tiers and lockdown rules in England, Scotland, Wales and... ] 04:46 < Emcy> they cannot hope to communicate this fucking D&D rulebook of a tier system to the entire country effectively. Or even to the police meant to be enforcing it 04:47 < Emcy> theres just no way 04:58 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:12 < queip> if only we could QR with "people tires" onto people like some tattoo or RFID implant 05:14 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:14 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #lnd 05:16 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 05:16 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 05:49 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:12 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:21 < gmaxwell> "I would donate $5 to WikiLeaks. But with a next block fee of $7 it is ridicoulus to expect small amounts of donation. Could someone tell them to accept Bitcoin Cash?" -- wtf, why does it matter if a _donation_ makes it in the next block? 06:23 < gmaxwell> ... also at the time that post was made 4s/vb transactions were clearing. 06:24 < gmaxwell> which is more like 25 cents than $7. 06:27 < Emcy> same reason they dont understand that you dont *have* to pay any suggested fee rate, unless youre using a shitty wallet that strongarms you 06:32 -!- niceplace [~nplace@45.83.91.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:32 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 06:37 -!- niceplace [~nplace@titan.pathogen.is] has joined #lnd 06:41 -!- niceplaces [~nplace@185.76.9.50] has joined #lnd 06:42 -!- niceplace [~nplace@titan.pathogen.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:44 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45 < Emcy> >Trending in United Kingdom 06:45 < Emcy> #christmasisnotcancelled 06:45 < Emcy> 1,933 Tweets 06:45 < Emcy> people are fairly upset at the short notice 06:46 < gmaxwell> did people not expect this? 06:47 < gmaxwell> we were told like 8 months ago. Covid winter bad. 06:49 < Emcy> well it was all originally scheduled for after boxing day, but theyve just announced the lockdowns have been brought forwards and christmas is cancelled 06:50 < Emcy> also there are 3 or 4 stories on the front of the bcc about this 'new strain', maybe theres something theyre not really telling us 06:50 < Emcy> maybe theyve just been told the R number is like 5 with it or something 06:51 < queip> gmaxwell: being forced into home arrest also bad 06:52 < gmaxwell> I'm not saying good or bad, just saying: expected. 06:52 < queip> govs do such a good job of avoiding the solution that combines freedom to take risks with freedom to decrease likehood of getting infected: local selective rules, move into high-isolation or low-isolation zone if it is very important for you, everyone happy (minus husstle with moving) 06:53 < Veggen> Emcy: it is apparently about 70% more contagious, they say. Which translates to much higher R. 06:53 < Emcy> gmaxwell winter effect was expected, cancelling christmas on december the 20th was not expected 06:54 < Emcy> Veggen where did you read that 06:54 < queip> many expected they will do exception for christmas. they did exceptions when it benfited them in various countries (e.g. not closing churches when most of supporters see churches as important) 06:55 < gmaxwell> fucking politicos are too cowardly. they keep doing lockdown shit at the last minute because they can't handle saying "even though hospitals aren't full yet, we can do math" 06:55 < queip> forward-thinking abilities of a child 06:56 < Emcy> gmaxwell all of them are sweating balls right now 06:56 < Veggen> Emcy: they say so in norwegian news. 06:56 < Emcy> if people erupt in frustration they dont have the manpower to handle it 06:57 < Veggen> gmaxwell: we have sort of strict but not lockdown, now. I'd be for a lockdown on january 2nd for at least two weeks - because we know that after christmas, numbers will rise. 06:57 < Veggen> ...and the problem is, 1 week later we will know we should have initiated stricter rules then :) 07:01 < Emcy> Veggen panic time is when theres a strain thats that much more virulent, and mutates enough that the new vaccines cant target it 07:02 < Emcy> i read that that doesnt seem to be likely at the moment but who knows 07:02 < Emcy> what does the world even look like after that? 07:02 < Emcy> its like if AIDS became airborne 07:02 < queip> like minecraft no-rules anarchist server's spawn point, but in minecraft 07:03 < Emcy> dibs on Lord Humoungous 07:04 < Veggen> Emcy: well, most of the vaccines target things that are pretty generic in the corona virus. the spikes. 07:05 < gmaxwell> the vaccines don't target the virus at all. 07:05 < gmaxwell> They target the human. The human targets the virus. 07:06 < Veggen> well, true. 07:06 < Emcy> yes but now thats the part that is under the most selection pressure is it not 07:06 < gmaxwell> We can make synthetic antibodies too... I expected to see monoclonal antibody treatments before vaccines, but they managed to make the vaccines pretty quickly. 07:08 < Veggen> from what I hear of norwegian plans, we should be more or less done with vaccination before early summer. 07:08 < Emcy> so to be clear, antibodies are small inert 'tag' particles that adhere tot he spike protien and show the macrophages what to eat right 07:09 < Veggen> ...with me and my SO being in the last age-prioritized group, just before they say "ok, now the rest can go get it". 07:10 < Veggen> so, I guess I can hope for april, but by then the vaccine should have lowered the pressure significantly already. 07:10 < queip> Emcy: according to krutzekampf videos, yes 07:10 < gmaxwell> Emcy: yeah, thats how antibodies work. 07:10 < Emcy> ok 07:11 < gmaxwell> Emcy: they're like neon colored cell phone covers, your body spams them out and they stick to stuff and whatever they stick to goes and gets swept up. 07:17 < Emcy> yea 07:17 < Emcy> i oculdnt remember whether antibodies were the inert or active part of immune response then 07:17 < Emcy> well passive, not inert 07:18 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/whiterose_lady/status/1340671157629038596 07:19 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/IndiaMcKinney3/status/1340662180459532294 why the fuck would someone tweet this? 07:20 < Emcy> some weird spam/scam account i guess 07:21 < ossifrage> they really liked tweeting that image over and over 07:22 < Emcy> gmaxwell i was thinking about what you said about the little library boxes and how i might be surprised if it doesnt get ransacked 07:22 < Emcy> i ralised that actually im already surprised that i havent had anything stolen from the mailboxes on my front porch yet, since i started doing it in march 07:23 < Emcy> not even so much by random people, but from the many different delivery people whove seen first hand what ive got out there, even the few ive argued with out of a window 07:23 < Emcy> nothing has gone missing yet. I really thought it would. 07:23 < Emcy> i was prepared for some losses 07:26 < gmaxwell> Emcy: sometimes antibodies interfear with the operation directly, sometimes they only tag, AFAIK its just random. 07:26 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 07:26 < gmaxwell> like if the antibody binds really strongly to the right locations then the thing its binding to won't work anymore. 07:26 < gmaxwell> but if it binds weakly or to the wrong location, it'll still work. 07:27 < Emcy> yeah i just read that. i suppose gumming up the spike protien well enough to stop it working is what folding@home is doing 07:28 < Emcy> so ill continue folding 07:28 < gmaxwell> what idiot has 12 million pounds in a bank account? 07:28 < gmaxwell> do banks over there magically pay high interest or something? 07:29 < Emcy> nope lucky to get .5% on a current account 07:31 < gmaxwell> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1340678358456274948?s=21 oooh bpy 07:32 < Emcy> *heavy breathing* 07:33 < Emcy> is there 100bn market depth in bitcoin? i dont think so 07:34 < gmaxwell> well you can buy any amount, it's just a question of what price you end up with. 07:34 < gmaxwell> you could spend 100 billion but you'll end up with exponenitlaly fewer coins as you go... 07:35 < Emcy> yeah i know people spread out the huge buys 07:35 < gmaxwell> market buy --fiat 100000000000 07:35 < gmaxwell> ;;market buy --fiat 100000000000 07:35 < Emcy> but thats like years of of buying surely 07:35 <@gribble> Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 1422.0363 bitcoins for a total of 254196230.3332 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 16.8812 seconds 07:36 < Emcy> lol 07:36 < gmaxwell> ;;market buy --fiat --market coinbase 100000000000 07:36 <@gribble> Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btsp', 'btcn', 'krk', 'gdax', 'wex', 'gem', 'bfx', 'btce']. 07:36 < gmaxwell> ;;market buy --fiat --market gdax 100000000000 07:36 <@gribble> Error: Failure to retrieve order book data. Try again later. 07:36 < gmaxwell> ;;market buy --fiat --market bfx 100000000000 07:36 <@gribble> Bitfinex | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 2820.6879 bitcoins for a total of 94500995.1316 USD and take the price to 103820000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0113 seconds 07:36 < gmaxwell> glad to know gribble can still quote btce. 07:39 < Emcy> seems like msot exchanges have 1500-2k btc on sale 07:39 < Emcy> so no there is not 100bn total in the market 07:39 < Emcy> idk about non public channels 07:40 < Emcy> i read hte real whales dont deal with the public markets often 07:41 < Emcy> musk really should dump a bn on it though, that would be ok and make everyone concerned happy 07:44 < gmaxwell> there are more coins in the market than are on the books, fwiw. 07:45 < Emcy> yes i heard abot that but dont know anything about it 07:45 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1340581313406001153 haha did you see this 07:45 < Emcy> elons at it again 07:47 < gmaxwell> yeah that was the top of the thread I linked to above. 07:47 < gmaxwell> 10:31 < gmaxwell> when new ath??? 07:47 < gmaxwell> 10:31 < gmaxwell> bored now 07:47 < gmaxwell> maybe my prayer gets answered. 07:48 < Emcy> its real hard to brows twitter threads without an account now 07:48 < Emcy> especially replies 07:48 < grubles> does nitter.net work 07:48 < grubles> i linked to it the other day 07:49 < grubles> https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1340581313406001153#m 07:49 < Emcy> o this is nice 07:49 < Emcy> wow no javascript 07:50 < grubles> yeah it's nice 07:50 < Emcy> https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1608478605423.jpg this appears to be fake lol 07:51 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (754 x 580) ] 07:51 < Emcy> did someone pm me 07:52 < gmaxwell> that 4chan link is the thread I linked to. 07:52 < grubles> no it's not fake 07:52 < gmaxwell> yeah, its on twitter 07:52 < Emcy> i dont even see the final reply on twitter 07:52 < grubles> https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1340679387998527489 07:52 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/24985360 this is what i saw 07:52 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - its real - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 07:53 < gmaxwell> twitter has to give everyone a different view to maximize chaos and hate 07:53 < Emcy> i think they really are doing that 07:55 < gmaxwell> don't assume malice when stupidity is sufficient... 07:57 < Emcy> only insofar as the malice itself is stupid 07:57 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:57 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 07:58 < grubles> twitter does a few wonky things unintentionally (i think at least) like unfollowing people for you 07:58 < Emcy> i dont think thats unintentional 07:59 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-170-027-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00 < grubles> they also un-like things you've liked in the past 08:01 < Emcy> maybe their database is just an unholy mess then 08:01 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:01 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:01 < grubles> yeah i've heard that as an explanation 08:01 < grubles> they apparently are moving a component or two to AWS 08:01 < Emcy> id seen people complaining about the unfollwing 'bug' a lot of times before, but it always seemed suspiciously targetted 08:02 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-163-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 08:02 < grubles> then there's the shadowban stuff 08:02 < Emcy> yeah that happens 08:05 < gmaxwell> I saw a post once from someone at twitter talking about the engineers basically playing corewars against each other 08:05 < gmaxwell> one group forbid any software written in go another group wrote something in go 08:05 < gmaxwell> then the first group ended up writing a tool to log into the servers and kill any process written in go 08:05 < gmaxwell> and so on. 08:05 < Emcy> lol 08:05 < gmaxwell> I think that basically explains almost anything you see twitter do 08:06 < Emcy> so imagine how much trouble we all be in if they were actually competent 08:06 < gmaxwell> it's like that said "We heard that other companies have finite amounts of dysfunction. Well fuck that. At twitter, we will have infinite fucking dysfunction." 08:07 < Emcy> it makes sense. as far as i can tell dorsey is like an absent father 08:07 < Emcy> i dont think hes actually in charge 08:08 < Emcy> to some extent all the tech companies seem to be like that, they have to find out from first principles why eschewing shot callers in business often leads to chaos 08:09 < Emcy> even the prototypical example of flat org charts, Valve corp, who famously have no org chat at all [except when gaben puts his foot down sometimes] have some crazy workplace stories that have leaked out 08:11 < gmaxwell> well no structure tends to lead to Lord of the Flies. 08:12 < Emcy> https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Valve-Corporation-RVW32645061.htm 08:12 < Emcy> yes thats the word from inside valve, there are cliques 08:14 < Emcy> >- The flat structure is somewhat a sham. There is a badly hidden hierarchy, and at the top are some very smart people, but there are also some bullies who do whatever they want 08:15 < waxwing> it's always the way though, even with apparently clear hierarchies of job titles, people form fiefdoms and there's a *real* way things get done separate from what it says on paper 08:15 < waxwing> better to be explicit? probably yeah, i'll give you that. 08:18 < Emcy> https://is2.4chan.org/biz/1608479431130.png 08:18 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (667 x 936) ] 08:18 < gmaxwell> yeah, 'structureless' companies CAN be fine, -- if the implicit structure that forms is a good one. 08:18 < gmaxwell> but there will be a structure, so washing your hands of it just means you're not taking responsiblity for the one that forms sucking. 08:19 < Emcy> it shows in product too 08:19 < Emcy> example, what happened to steamOS and steam machines 08:19 < Emcy> what happened? no one knows 08:21 < Emcy> they have a history of just dropping products, exactly as if they just decided they were bored of them now 08:21 < Emcy> and they also do things like release a new half life game out of nowhere, apropos of nothing [event hough it was excellent] 08:21 < Emcy> its just strange 08:23 < grubles> they make too much $$$ off other games to warrant creating more of their own 08:23 < grubles> the alyx thing was probably a way to get people to buy the Index 08:24 < Emcy> yes thats certainly what happened. in that case its bizarre that Alyx was so good. And its also bizarre that no one talks about it anymore now 08:24 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-106.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 08:26 < Emcy> they just make so much money all day every day regardless of what they do that theyve become like an eccentric aristo or something 08:27 < grubles> they have SteamVR now too 08:27 < grubles> which is in a way similar to SteamOS 08:28 < Emcy> i mean the steamOS initiative was in response to UWP iirc 08:28 < grubles> what's UWP? 08:28 < Emcy> its the thing microsoft tried to push to replace win32 runtime 08:30 < Emcy> theyre still tepidly trying to get away from windows. They hired a guy to worked on their fork of WINE called 'Proton' and upstream the development they do back to wine, mostly around modern graphic api support 08:30 < Emcy> i think theyre largely responsible for DXVK 08:32 < Emcy> they have one guy in the company who is still looking after their steam link initiative, since they dropped the hardware product [even though it was the best 'remote HDMI' device on the market regardless of gaming] and turned it into a software app instead 09:16 < grubles> hmm tor's signing key has expired? 09:16 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19 < grubles> gpg: Signature made Mon 14 Dec 2020 06:59:14 PM UTC 09:19 < grubles> gpg: using RSA key EB774491D9FF06E2 09:19 < grubles> gpg: Good signature from "Tor Browser Developers (signing key) " [ultimate] 09:19 < grubles> gpg: Note: This key has expired! 09:20 < Emcy> did they really forget 09:23 < qubenix> grubles: https://support.torproject.org/tbb/how-to-verify-signature/ , check the "Fetching Tor Developers key" section. Should expire 2025, maybe you need to refresh. 09:23 < Entitlement> qubenix - [ How can I verify Tor Browser's signature? | Tor Project | Support ] 09:36 -!- A-cat [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:31 < midnight> gmaxwell: monoclonal has unknown (potentially limiting) effects on vaccine. monoclonal treatments are 90-day exclusionary conditions. :( 10:31 < midnight> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-12/COVID-03-Mbaeyi.pdf 11:03 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 11:26 -!- raefe [uid193627@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hkiqirlhurvgankt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:45 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:45 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 11:46 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 11:46 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 11:46 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:21 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:30 -!- patosullivan [62aad0a1@ip98-170-208-161.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #lnd 12:34 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:11 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:15 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:40 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06 -!- patosullivan [62aad0a1@ip98-170-208-161.pn.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:19 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36 -!- Alzadoua [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has joined #lnd 14:39 -!- Alzadoua is now known as A-car 14:39 -!- A-car is now known as A-cat 15:13 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:24 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 15:25 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 15:30 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 15:35 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38 < queip> #namecoin yanmaani, more like "the Bitconnect guys are now backing BSV" 15:39 < phantomcircuit> midnight, so trump literally cannot be vaccinated 15:42 < gmaxwell> anyone have a link to the ledger leak data? 15:44 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, you just get an haveibeenpwned notice too 15:45 -!- favioflamingo1 [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:4cf5:ff6e:d6cb:dee3] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:46 -!- favioflamingo1 [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:4cf5:ff6e:d6cb:dee3] has quit [Client Quit] 15:48 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, it doesn't seem to be anywhere that's google crawled at least 15:50 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:11 < gmaxwell> comments on reddit suggest someone had linked to it there, but the posts were removed. 16:13 < DeanWeen> supposedly there was a torrent iirc 16:14 < DeanWeen> I could be misunderrembering though 16:14 < gmaxwell> got it 16:19 < queip> Roger tries to con Musk - https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/1340799990013300736 (seeing how Musk knows a lot about running scams like HyperLoop, I'm rather optimistic, but anything can happen) 16:22 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:24 < gmaxwell> So much for hearn's claim to have dumped all his bitcoin, he's in the ledger sales files. 16:24 < DeanWeen> don't they store a bunch of altcoins too? 16:25 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:30 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:35 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:39 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:40 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:42 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Client Quit] 16:42 < belcher> a great thing about software wallets is they're much easier to obtain anonymously, just download them (via tor if required) 16:43 < belcher> i always advise people to use a multisig wallet instead of a hardware wallet, for example a 2of2 electrum multisig with one seed on a computer and the other on a smartphone 16:44 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:45 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- fjahr [sid374480@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgzulwjjzuyevisv] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:46 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:46 -!- tralfaz [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #lnd 16:46 < belcher> i suspect a major reason hardware wallets are more common (at least on the internet) is that hardware wallets have a marketing budget 16:47 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47 -!- fjahr [sid374480@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtehnbkvgybyoxca] has joined #lnd 16:47 < queip> belcher: though they ARE good against easily avoiding getting device hacked 16:48 < queip> for daily use, e.g. on the go 16:48 < belcher> even so there's scary stuff they dont protect again, for example how do you know the manufacturer or someone along their supply chain modified them so they dont actually produce random seeds but just provide a big list of pre-generated seeds, and now those people can watch the corresponding bitcoin addresses fill up and do a massive exit scam years later 16:49 < belcher> you can protect against that with multisig... but if you're already using multisig you could just do it with normal hardware rather than that device 16:49 < belcher> who uses bitcoin on the go? its only practical to pay stuff with it if you use LN, and LN isnt supported by hardware wallets 16:50 < belcher> electrum multisig with computer + smartphone is a fairly smooth spending experience, theres the keysigner plugin which automatically encrypts and sends the tx to the other device, you can also transfer with qr codes 16:52 < queip> belcher: yes I know about this, but probably simply getting device hacked is more popular 16:53 < midnight> phantomcircuit: did he get mab? I thought it was just remdesivir (which does basically nothing). 16:53 < queip> use 2-of-2 between normal device and trezored one 16:53 < midnight> What? ledger leak? 16:54 < grubles> the stolen database was made public 16:54 < midnight> Like. Ledger the hardware wallet manufac? 16:55 < queip> yea. pretty embarassing for security company, ikr 16:55 < midnight> What the fuck kind of morons keep customer data where the internet can get at it. 16:56 < queip> basically everyone 16:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: wxss, dr-orlovsky, Veggen, bitconner, lypsis, StopAndDecrypt, jonatack, greypw, dermoth, ctrlbreak 16:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: wxss, EmmyNoether, Veggen, StopAndDecrypt, ctrlbreak 16:58 < belcher> queip idk it seems like getting both your smartphone and PC hacked is really unlikely 16:58 < belcher> most "hacks" are actually phishing anyway 16:58 < queip> belcher: if someone targets you then they will hack all your online devices 16:59 < gmaxwell> 00:48 < belcher> even so there's scary stuff they dont protect again, for example how do you know the manufacturer or someone along their supply chain modified them so they dont actually produce random seeds but just provide a big list of pre-generated seeds, and now those people can watch the corresponding bitcoin addresses fill up and do a massive exit scam years later 17:00 < gmaxwell> yeah, it's also trivial to modify signing code to leak secret data in the signatures... so even if you generate your own seed with dice and verify it actually uses it... 17:00 < belcher> yep, open source doesnt help if you cant verify that this source code is actually running 17:01 < gmaxwell> ledger devices do the signing with some opaque commercial hardware security module, so even more unverifyable. 17:01 < queip> just 1 device < pc + mobile < (mobile+trezor) + pc < mobile + (pc+trezor) < offline-pc + offline-pc < offline-pc + (pc+trezor) < offline-pc + (offline-pc+trezor) 17:01 < belcher> queip the thing with adding trezor is you add your mail address to someone's database that then gets leaked 17:01 < midnight> How can you use trezor without a pc? 17:01 < gmaxwell> personally I think HW wallets should never be used without multisig, but unfortunately multisig isn't well supported and also adds fees. 17:02 < queip> belcher: dunno about you larpers but I acquired mine physically from manufacturer ;) 17:02 < gmaxwell> also the standard software for all these hardware wallets is a total panopticon webwallet 17:02 < belcher> thats nice but not scalable 17:02 < queip> belcher: trains have high capacity xd 17:02 < belcher> i dont use any HW device but supposedly coldcard is the best for multisig 17:02 < belcher> you could do coldcard + regular PC 17:02 < belcher> or smartphone 17:02 < belcher> in the multisig 17:03 < grubles> i wish you could do what armory could do but with core 17:03 < belcher> whats that? 17:03 < grubles> export watch only wallet, create unsigned txs from the online device, sign them on the offline one, etc 17:03 < grubles> ...easily 17:04 < queip> local electrum can be configured to use localhost node, and to use your trezor, afaik 17:04 < grubles> yeah but i just want to use core 17:04 < queip> core is working on such support for HW wallets right? 17:05 < grubles> i'm not even talking about using a hww 17:05 < grubles> just one online core, one offline 17:05 < gmaxwell> grubles: thats what the gui psbt support is for. should be pretty easy now. 17:05 < midnight> gmaxwell: did you find a link? 17:05 < gmaxwell> you don't export a watch only, but you can use an encrypted wallet and just never unlock it online. 17:05 < gmaxwell> midnight: yes I have the data. 17:06 < belcher> grubles electrum does that 17:06 < belcher> it even has qr codes for transfering 17:06 < grubles> gmaxwell: what gui 17:06 < grubles> belcher: yeah true 17:06 < grubles> i just want core though 17:07 < gmaxwell> grubles: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16944 17:07 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ gui: create PSBT with watch-only wallet by Sjors · Pull Request #16944 · bitcoin... ] 17:07 < midnight> gmaxwell: Lemme finish my download: I'll send you a hash for the one I found. 17:07 < queip> belcher: also building own trezor is supposed to be quite ez 17:08 < grubles> gmaxwell: ohh nice 17:10 < queip> midnight: without a pc? you use trezor with your mobile 17:10 < gmaxwell> queip: and identify alll your transactions to trezors servers. 17:10 < queip> trezor + mobile (over usb-go) accessed from Electrum, Mycelium, ... 17:10 < grubles> so much shitcoin spam in the PR sheesh 17:11 < queip> gmaxwell: all in given account, yes\ 17:11 < midnight> you can use a trezor with a mobile device? ohh.. android? 17:11 < gmaxwell> grubles: I hate that. :( its one of the things that makes me not like working on bitcoin stuff anymore-- that you cannot escape constantly getting shitcoin spam. 17:12 < midnight> gmaxwell: 92e1c0c9a57719db8bfc66742e4b1dad6e32feffb8f518e27248654956f90764 ? 17:12 < gmaxwell> midnight: is that a hash of? I didn't keep the rar around 17:12 < midnight> gmaxwell: hash of the rar. 17:12 < grubles> gmaxwell: wtf is syscoin anyway no one even cares about that 17:13 < queip> c h a i n l i n k 17:13 < queip> they have the maximum spam nowdays 17:13 < midnight> 47053d5d52f6e8a5333d42c3bdaea4cfe787ec5219fa15966733ab6921f01b6d and 54843ec27f62550d63d365d231c3ba7939b8bd4dea4a0cf3f327e08992e955eb ? 17:13 < queip> gmaxwell: quickly, write program to re-pack it in all possible ways to chefck 17:14 < phantomcircuit> midnight, trump got monoclonal antibodies 17:15 < midnight> phantomcircuit: He's not supposed to get the vaccine, mab is contraindicator to be safe. 17:15 < gmaxwell> 47053d5d52f6e8a5333d42c3bdaea4cfe787ec5219fa15966733ab6921f01b6d All Emails (Subscription).txt 17:15 < gmaxwell> 54843ec27f62550d63d365d231c3ba7939b8bd4dea4a0cf3f327e08992e955eb Ledger Orders (Buyers) only.txt 17:15 < midnight> gmaxwell: That data does not contain all customers postal addresses in buyers. 17:15 < queip> gmaxwell: sauce? (or keywords) 17:17 < phantomcircuit> midnight, ok that explains why he hasn't gotten it but pence has 17:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dr-orlovsky, jonatack, ctrlbreak, StopAndDecrypt, Veggen, wxss, greypw, bitconner, dermoth, lypsis 17:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ctrlbreak, StopAndDecrypt, EmmyNoether, Veggen, wxss 17:18 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, can you pm me my info in it 17:18 < midnight> phantomcircuit: oh, he didn't? interesting. 17:18 < phantomcircuit> midnight, trump hasn't been vaccinated as far as anybody can tell 17:20 < midnight> huh. 17:25 < midnight> Yeah this data is not a complete.. Of the.. like six people who are asking me to check, not a single one is represented in the leak. 17:33 < queip> offtopic, photo related to historical events emerges - https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_1608454280zbzCYKf8DHZeqXZS7pkvjc.jpg 17:33 < Entitlement> queip - [ jpeg (1080 x 1347) ] 17:36 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol@unaffiliated/tiraspol] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:37 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol@c-98-220-224-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:37 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol@c-98-220-224-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:37 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol@unaffiliated/tiraspol] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:38 < midnight> queip: hah! 17:38 < midnight> queip: I like that. 17:56 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:59 < midnight> Hah look at all those people with anonymous email addresses. 17:59 * midnight APPROVES 18:01 < grubles> nice. good on them. 18:01 < grubles> the theoretical hww dox hack actually happened 18:02 < midnight> yeah, I like it. 18:02 * midnight looks for remailers now.. 18:02 < gmaxwell> there are some sad examples, like people who used fake realnames but their email address identifies them. 18:03 < midnight> Holy crap, there's a whole bunch of remailers in there. 18:03 * midnight feels lonely happy tear rolling down face. 18:06 < grubles> lol 18:07 < grubles> more speculative-y stuff about the fincen proposal https://twitter.com/jerallaire/status/1340785282979913734 18:08 < grubles> i guess guy is particularly affected because of the USDC stablecoin + ethereum defi crap 18:17 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@c-98-35-199-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 18:18 * midnight shrugs 18:18 < midnight> yay canada 18:19 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@c-98-35-199-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 18:21 < grubles> i'm most pissed that it was proposed on a friday evening at the cusp of the holidays while during a pandemic 18:21 < grubles> like...you complete assholes 18:25 < midnight> yeh 18:35 < ossifrage> I love the consistency of google sheets, some places ESC will exit a box and commit results, other places it discards changes 18:39 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:47 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 18:48 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:21 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:24 -!- BGL [~twenty@75-149-171-58-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29 < queip> is ther any country that has o.k. freedom for people in it (not very high/bad taxation, if possible gun rights, drugs rigs, free speech) and is NOT doing lockdowns? 19:29 < queip> soon might be the time to escape into places without crazy lockdowns, at least in Europe, especially from Poland 19:30 < queip> where you can just go and live. Working remotelly so not "stealing ur jobs hurr" 19:31 < queip> (and is not trying to force vaccination on population) 19:51 < midnight> ;;tlast --high 19:51 <@gribble> Error: Please only choose at most one result option at a time. 19:51 < midnight> ;;ticker --high 19:51 <@gribble> 24298.04 19:51 < midnight> :-o 19:51 < queip> at least one thing going o.k. in 2020 19:52 < midnight> wtf 19:56 < midnight> Trying to remember the name of that trader who was featured in.. like Wired or something.. at the last ATH who was pictured with a ledger up to his eye. 19:56 < midnight> (Emphasizing how rich he was.) 19:56 < midnight> Terrible picture. 20:09 < midnight> AHHHH HA HA HA HE WAS A SCAMMER 20:53 -!- BGL [~twenty@75-149-171-58-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 21:15 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 22:08 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has joined #bitcoin-forks 22:32 < queip> kek at #bitcoin 22:32 < queip> a dude, at "request from his employer", will hack bitcoin to avoid rescanning wallet files on loading wallet files, to "save sytem resources" 22:32 < queip> he doesn't really know git all that much yet 22:32 < queip> this will surly end well 22:34 < queip> remember this when we read about a new web-wallet-like service shutting down due to crippling bugs / getting hacked *shrug* 22:36 < gmaxwell> midnight: scammer? 23:26 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach/status/1340735356375851009 23:26 < Emcy> christ 6 figues for the ledger database 23:29 < midnight> gmaxwell: Yeah this asshole: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-krypto-king-of-scottsdale-john-caruso-zach-salter-and-phoenix-zima-digital-assets-11471217 23:29 < Entitlement> midnight - [ The Brief, Brazen Reign of Scottsdale's Krypto King | Phoenix New Times ] 23:32 < midnight> Emcy: geeez 23:33 < Emcy> are people really paying 6 figs for a list of addresses where they can go and break thumbs? 23:34 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/1340799990013300736 look at this ambulance chasing fool 23:34 < midnight> Emcy: apparently "someone" did. 23:35 < Emcy> midnight thas scary man. theyre gonna want ROI on that. 23:38 < Emcy> https://twitter.com/m__btc/status/1340752070849122306 23:38 * queip calls the Class Action Lawsuit Man 23:39 < queip> inventing computers was a mistake, seeing how humanity handles valuable databases 23:39 < midnight> Emcy: yeh I noticed that too: https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/1340862020371980289 23:48 < midnight> gmaxwell: I remember reading this: https://web.archive.org/web/20201026065947/https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/the-crypto-king 23:48 < Entitlement> midnight - [ The Crypto King | Cigar Aficionado ] 23:48 < midnight> And seeing him pose by staring through a ledger nano's hinge hole thing 23:49 < midnight> And being completely convinced there was no way this asshole made $100m by trading. it's impossible, the markets couldn't have supported it at the times he claimed to operate --- Log closed Mon Dec 21 00:00:53 2020