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00:00 < Emcy> random guy is now top of reddit for dancing like a pleb and giving the finger, because the wrong house he went to just happened to have a karma farmer in it
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03:18 < Emcy> is it me or have common HDD drives at retail stopped getting bigger
03:18 < Emcy> i expected like 10-12tb by now, but its still topping out at 8tb
03:20 < Emcy> im okl with 5.25" drives coming back if thats what it takes...
03:22 < Emcy> but then you have this in the externals https://www.amazon.co.uk/WD-WDBWLG0100HBK-EESN-Elements-Desktop-Storage/dp/B08KY32HFR/
03:22 < Emcy> 18tb...
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03:22 < Emcy> but not for internal. i dont get it.
03:22 < nkuttler> i see plenty of 18TB hdd?
03:23 < nkuttler> ah, but out of stock..
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03:23 < nkuttler> not this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gold-18TB-HDD-SATA-512e/dp/B089S3CZ41/
03:25 < Emcy> enterprise?
03:34 < Emcy> i suppose the easier thing to do is buy more redily available external drives and shuck the enclosures#
03:35 < Emcy> but apparently WD started getting wise to this and building the usb interface right into the drive pcb, with no sata ports
03:35 < Emcy> pretty stupid cat and mouse game when they could just sell people what they want in the first place
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04:48 < Emcy> ;;tlast
04:48 <@gribble> 23706.22
04:50 < Megumiin> I'm not aware of any WD direct pcb things, all of their Easy store are all still shuckable unless this is very recent
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06:00 < midnight> Emcy: I just remembered another time I saw ice9 super angry: it was at the researcher (Peter Daszak) who was doing function-gain research on coronaviruses in the chinese facility that may have leaked the covid19-causing one (WIV).
06:01 < midnight> Righteously pissed-off ice9 is quite a sight.
06:20 < Old_Man> Dang, this price peak has staying powe. Our ten-day moving average is above $21,000 for the first time ever, and the 30-day average is above $19,500 for the first time ever. (We're also setting new all-time-high records in the 100-day average, 365-day average, and 1000-day averages, as always.)
06:21 < Old_Man> Meanwhile, bcash is setting new all-time-low records too: its value has been hanging out at 1.4% over both the 7-day and 10-day averages. (And is still setting new all-time-low records on the 30-day, 100-day and 365-day scales as well.)
06:22 < Old_Man> (And of course, it's setting new records for lowest value over its lifetime, too.)
06:23 < midnight> Old_Man: ha
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06:31 < Emcy> Megumiin i know for a fact they started doing it with some 2.5" externals
06:31 < Megumiin> Ah, I haven't paid any attention to their 2.5" stuff, their 3.5" is all still shuckable afaik
06:31 < Emcy> yes it seems so for now
06:34 < queip> .altprice bch
06:34 < queip> .price btch
06:34 < queip> .price bch
06:34 < midnight> .price bch btc
06:34 < deb0rah> binance 0.01239500 [-8.52%] | bittrex 0.01240655 [-8.21%] | southxchange 0.01250750 [-8.34%] | livecoin 0.01216960 [-7.89%] | hitbtc 0.01240100 [-8.48%] | graviex 0.01247010 [-18.71%] | poloniex 0.01244841 [-7.92%] | kraken 0.01238000 [-8.57%] |
06:34  * queip your IQ is too low to use this device (+3,+1 Computer)
06:34 < queip> kek 1.2%
06:34 < midnight> down, down, down doobee-down..
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06:38 < Emcy> thats fallen without bitcoin price moving at all
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06:39 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/kiqriq/once_again_bch_dropped_to_record_low_agaist_btc/
06:39 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Once again BCH dropped to record low agaist BTC. : btc ]
06:39 < Emcy> wojaks
06:40 < Emcy> >Comparing the price of BCH to a Wall Street plaything like BTC will become increasingly irrelevant. BTC is going off on its own sweet course. Comparing the price of BCH to Ethereum, etc is much more appropriate.
06:40 < Emcy> coping
06:41 < midnight> "The price of BCH depends on widespread adoption: that will take a little longer." wtf is wrong with them
06:42 < midnight> "you think 10 years is long for a currency? Satoshi planned for 120 years..." MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK AFTER YOU'RE DEAD
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06:43 < Emcy> .price bch usd
06:43 < deb0rah> southxchange 292.87801000 [-6.49%] | gdax 293.89 [-7.50%] | kraken 293.460000 [-7.51%] | bittrex 294.44000000 [-7.06%] | hitbtc 293.44500000 [-7.58%] |
06:43 < Emcy> fuck bombed back below 300
06:45 < Emcy> i installed a completely fresh ubuntu 20.10 on a fresh formatted disk today, when it finished i just let it sit there on the desktop and didnt touch mouse or keyboard
06:46 < midnight> "It won't drop below 1% of 1 btc. BCH's hashrate is currently 1% of BTC. if hash goes up, price will move equall" dun dun DUNNN
06:46 < Emcy> after about 1 minute of watching it, a popup occured 'ubuntu has encountered a problem' lol
06:46 < midnight> ouch
06:47 < Emcy> with literally zero user input from a clean install, not counting logging in
06:47 < midnight> "Why would you expect money designed to be a cheap transaction vehicle to appreciate in value against money designed to be a long term store of wealth?
06:47 < midnight> hah
06:48 < queip> because like, orange coin bad, man
06:48 < Emcy> >I believe it's because SHA256 miners on BCH immediately convert to BTC, this creates continual selling pressure.
06:48 < Emcy> very probably
06:49 < midnight> this post is awesome.
06:50 < midnight> "Another split can fix this. Lets markets decide."
06:50 < Emcy> hear hear
06:50 < midnight> the trolls are getting more subtle there. some of them are being upvoted.
06:50 < grubles> man i'm so stumped why my qubes is saying the tor signing key is expired lol
06:51 < Emcy> grubles have you considered that theres no error as such because you may have actually been pwnd
06:51 < grubles> Emcy: ubuntu auto-`apt-get update`s on it's own on first boot
06:51 < grubles> Emcy: i have considered that yes
06:52 < Emcy> id think blockstream staff would be a target
06:52 < grubles> it says the signature is good
06:52 < grubles> just that the key has expired
06:52 < Emcy> but it hasnt really expired? and your system clock isnt wrong i assume
06:53 < Emcy> so yea thats weird
06:53 < grubles> i think it's just whonix being stupid
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06:54 < midnight> system time wrong?
06:54 < midnight> might be a timezone thing if it's close.
06:54 < Emcy> yeah how much expired is it claiming to be
06:56 < grubles> https://0bin.net/paste/oo+757e3#nkG+gtnaBEKZLrTfjD3IRy3NH5nado-eRNGXQvjqVhF
06:56 < Entitlement> grubles - [ 0bin - encrypted pastebin ]
06:57 < grubles> the template VM's time is off a bit
06:57 < midnight> god dangit. my perlfu is not da best. somehow ^M are being injected on my line scanner in spite of chomps.
06:58 < grubles> time is off by about 2 mins or so
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07:00 < midnight> grubles: timestamp for expiry is 1608346353, which is a few days ago.
07:00 < midnight> It's importing an old key.
07:00 < grubles> ok that's what i figured
07:01 < grubles> but i have yet to figure out where this key is stored so i can nuke it
07:01 < midnight> Twonder where it's getting it from.
07:01 < grubles> it's probably cached right
07:01 < midnight> the sks key for that has a billions sigs on it.
07:01 < midnight> totally unusably massive.
07:03 < midnight> don't know about cached keys for whonix. :-/
07:04 < grubles> # ls /var/cache/tb-binary/.cache/tb/gpgtmpdir/
07:04 < grubles> gpg_bash_lib_internal_gpg_verify_output_file	 pubring.kbx~	      S.gpg-agent.ssh
07:04 < grubles> gpg_bash_lib_internal_gpg_verify_status_fd_file  S.gpg-agent	      trustdb.gpg
07:04 < grubles> private-keys-v1.d				 S.gpg-agent.browser
07:04 < grubles> pubring.kbx					 S.gpg-agent.extra
07:04 < grubles> ok found it. time to nuke.
07:05 < midnight> wtf this perl snippet is making me crazy
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07:19 < grubles> pub   rsa4096 2014-12-15 [C] [expires: 2025-07-21] EF6E286DDA85EA2A4BA7DE684E2C6E8793298290
07:19 < grubles> uid           [ultimate] Tor Browser Developers (signing key) <torbrowser@torproject.org>
07:19 < grubles> wth it says it doesn't expire for 5 years though
07:20 < grubles> must be the subkey that expired i guess?
07:22 < midnight> sig expired?
07:23 < midnight> Is EB774491D9FF06E2 expired?
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07:28 < Sharkeisha> Perl is the worat language
07:28 < Sharkeisha> Worst, also
07:29 < midnight> wow, learned something about perl I didn't know. o.O
07:30 < grubles> maybe i'll just reinstall the template VM
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07:38 < midnight> grubles: I'm curious now, let us know if that corrects it.
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07:44 < grubles> oke doke
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08:03 < grubles> no dice
08:03 < midnight> boo
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08:03 < midnight> you're probably not hacked
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08:09 < midnight> grubles: man, mumetal's not even expensive!
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08:09 < midnight> for an 8x10 sheet it's like $23SUD
08:09 < midnight> *USD
08:10 < grubles> $23?
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08:12 < grubles> ok people in #qubes are saying it's happening to them to at least
08:12 < grubles> sanity: restored
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08:28 < gmaxwell> https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/kiddap/sec_files_lawsuit_against_ripple_and_two/ggss6w7/?context=3
08:28 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ Contrarian__ comments on SEC files lawsuit against Ripple and two executives, al... ]
08:28 < gmaxwell> huh one of the xrp founders sue jed for an equivilent share of stellar.
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09:05 < asoltys> i accidentally set a 1sat/vbyte fee on a channel opening tx. i see that it's RBF enabled.. is there some command to bump it with lncli?
09:06 < asoltys> or any way at all even if it's more involved than that?
09:29 < gmaxwell> grubles: got a link to examples of vb denying that ethereum was premined.
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09:33 < grubles> gmaxwell: hmm not off the top of my head no
09:34 < grubles> what he does is claim the premine was only 11%
09:34 < grubles> not 100% (initially)
09:34 < grubles> https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1208471215956013056
09:38 < Emcy> xrp getting delisted?
09:39 < Emcy> .price xrp usd
09:39 < deb0rah> kraken 0.31256000 [-33.58%] | bittrex 0.31507000 [-32.98%] | livecoin 0.32995000 [-26.69%] |
09:39 < Emcy> jinkies
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09:41 < Emcy> >COVID-19 has reached a research base in Antarctica
09:42 < Emcy> Chile has an antarctic base til
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09:42 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/semantic_core_img/1341438703269339137/DPqKoBJp?format=jpg&name=orig
09:42 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (1122 x 631) ]
09:43 < Emcy> actually a very nice base
09:44 < belcher> chile is pretty close to antarctica isnt it, relatively
09:44 < belcher> patagonia and the straits of magellan are actually in chile's borders arent they /me looks at map
09:47 < Emcy> wow chile is a long boi
09:47 < Emcy> nearly all the way from the tropic down to the pole
09:48 < Emcy> maybe thats why its called Chile, it can be said to be both hot and cold depending on your point of view
09:49 < HeySteve> sad to see this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/kir4v0/after_a_year_of_congress_pissing_on_their_own/
09:49 < Entitlement> HeySteve - [ After a year of congress pissing on their own hands... $600 wtf : Bitcoin ]
09:50 < HeySteve> the guy is mad he didn't get enough gibs
09:51 < Emcy> its more amount the huge gibs the corporations got yet again
09:51 < HeySteve> bemoaning the stupidity of the lockdown response or railing against govt. bribes I could get behind, but this is entitled looter mentality
09:52 < HeySteve> corps do employ people tho
09:52 < Emcy> just get mad about corporate welfare first
09:53 < Old_Man> Or all transfer-payment programs of all kinds
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10:09 < queip> tfw you think it's a demo-cracy, so you, demos, are in charge, and state passes 5000 pages of bullshit, bribes and corporation-buddies handouts, years in prison for streaming, billions for corps, but you get 600 bucks to fuck off so it's allright
10:32 < gmaxwell> HeySteve: I don't think there is any 'looter' mentality, goverment passes a 900+ billion dollar stimulus after months of lockdowns that left people unable to work. it contains 5000 pages, most of which is obviously unrelated bullshit.. and then the only actual relevant stimulus they're aware of from it is a freeking $600 check that barely pays one months rent for them.  For a lot of people $600 is
10:32 < gmaxwell> hardly better than $0-- it still leaves them getting kicked out of their home for no fault of their own.  They would like to work but can't.
10:34 < gmaxwell> If the economy/government just couldn't handle spending more, well so be it-- but clearly they could because it the entire funding authorized by the bill -- 2.3 Trillion in spending authorized in total-- went to the stimulus check it would be $7187 for every single person of any age living in the country.
10:37 < gmaxwell> I don't think there is anything absurd with someone saying "if the goverment is going to take from everyone in the future to pay to keep things going now, that I should get something close to my fair share of it"
10:41 < gmaxwell> now, I also know that the bill includes other stuff, like more PPP loans,  but joe blow doesn't know that and if he did he'd probably be rightly mad... the ppp loans were a fucking joke the first time around,  e.g. they gave 10 million dollars to consensys, 1 million dollars to zcash-- I'm sure everyone that has looked has found lots of examples of bullshit in their area of expertise. ...
10:41 < gmaxwell> meanwhile plenty of businesses local to me weren't able to get anything in the ppp loans.
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10:44 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i could get behind the ppp loans so long as they were personally guaranteed by executives
10:44 < phantomcircuit> i bet you'd see basically none of the nonsense
10:45 < Old_Man> Most people don't know who bears the cost of monetary inflation.
10:45 < Old_Man> And many who do are like, "oh, that's not me! I don't save any money, lol!" and don't care.
11:25 < queip> !tlast
11:25 <@gribble> 23525.6
11:25 < queip> is it going down in next month substantially?  or probably not?
11:25 < Sharkeisha> Old_Man: you don't know what's locked up in people's heads
11:25 < nkuttler> yes
11:26 < Sharkeisha> ;;8ball is price going down next month?
11:26 <@gribble> The outlook is poor.
11:29 < Old_Man> Sharkeisha, of course I do. We can all tell what's in people's heads by what they say and how they act.
11:29 < Old_Man> Well, okay. That might require skill that's only for those with an IQ over 80.
11:32 < Sharkeisha> Bollocks, you just think you're much smarter than you are.
11:34 < Old_Man> No, I think I'm average. I just happen to remember all the times you've proven you're way below average.
11:35 < Old_Man> Hey, a few months ago when you were getting kicked out of #bitcoin for running your mouth about dumbassery you knew nothing about, you were pretending to be a computer security expert who was taken seriously within the debian project. What was that really stupid advice you were trying to give about computer security, that everybody laughed at you for?
11:35 < Old_Man> Man, we had a seriously good laugh at your expense, due to your pretense. What was that stupid advice you were trying to give, that everybody recognized as being just plain stupidly wrong?
11:38 < Sharkeisha> Leave me alone. You're just a bully.
11:38 < Old_Man> Only to people who lie about their credentials.
11:38 < Sharkeisha> Low-effort troll
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11:38 < Old_Man> If you weren't a fucking liar and a retard, everyone *would* leave you alone.
11:39 < Old_Man> But, you are a fucking liar and a retard, so people will keep treating you poorly until you learn to keep your fucking mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.
11:39 < Sharkeisha> How are your ad hominems intelligent conversation, I wonder. Ironic honestly
11:39 < gmaxwell> I'd rather hear from Old_Man than Sharkeisha.
11:39 < Old_Man> Well there is *one* thing I want to hear from Sharkeisha.
11:40 < Old_Man> Come on; remind us what that really fucking stupid computer security advice was, that had everybody in #bitcoin laughing at you!
11:40 < Old_Man> Can you say it again? Pretty pleeeeease? :D
11:40 < Sharkeisha> Well, you can hear from them. I /ignore'd already
11:40 < Old_Man> Oh come on, puh-leeeeease? :D What's the matter? You're proud of being a computer security expert, aren't you?
11:41 < Old_Man> After all you, have the ear of the developers in the debian project, don't you? :D
11:43 < Emcy> gmaxwell theyre both kinda trolly
11:43 < Emcy> 2 sub critical masses of trollonium
11:43 < lndbot> <gugger> if there's a change output, you can try CPFPing that
11:45 < queip> I'm the neutron reflector
11:45  * queip boards Gay
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12:41 < Emcy> >Twitter has confirmed that the official US presidential accounts will be wiped of their millions of followers before being transferred to the Biden administration.
12:41 < Emcy> wut
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12:56 < Emcy> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55432058
12:56 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ Covid-19: Lorry drivers stuck at UK border for another night - BBC News ]
12:56 < Emcy> these poor sods
12:57 < Emcy> >Mr Shapps warned of "a lot of congestion and some, I'm afraid, anti-social behaviour around the ports that the police have been dealing with".
12:57 < Emcy> well where do you expect them to piss, in the ashtray?
12:57 < nkuttler> bottles?
12:59 < Emcy> im sure theyre already filled em up
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13:08 < Emcy> .price bch btc
13:08 < deb0rah> binance 0.01218700 [-7.94%] | bittrex 0.01215771 [-8.09%] | southxchange 0.01308441 [-1.53%] | livecoin 0.01979000 [+49.37%] | hitbtc 0.01217200 [-8.03%] | graviex 0.01247010 [-18.71%] | poloniex 0.01220685 [-7.36%] | kraken 0.01220000 [-7.44%] |
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13:12 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/kivqhf/when_is_bch_gonna_catch_up_to_btc_my_prediction/
13:12 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ When is BCH gonna catch up to BTC??? My prediction for 2021 : btc ]
13:12 < Emcy> the Rapture has a fresh date put on it
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13:15 < Old_Man> Hahahaha, ThA FlIpPeNiNgZ
13:15 < Old_Man> They're *still* making the claim that segwit was not a blocksize increase, I read just last week, when I was slumming in there.
13:23 < Emcy> well you see, once you eliminate the part of segwit that increased the size of the blocks beyond the classical 1mb cap, you find that the block size doesnt increase at all!
13:23 < Emcy> its so simple that is hard to believe bcore devs hadnt seen this befoire implementing it, thus the only rational explanation is malice
13:55 < asoltys> there is change but i don't think i can cpfp it with sendcoins even with --sweepall since it's not confirmed. i'll just wait for now.
13:55 < HeySteve> gmaxwell, I do get the frustration about how the helicopter money is distributed, I would just expect Bitcoiners not to see it as average Joes do
13:55 < HeySteve> as in, this fresh round of printing is more evidence of failing fiat system coupled with creeping govt. socialism
13:56 < HeySteve> but I suppose as long as they buy Bitcoin it's helping
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14:19 < Emcy> just found the global pm2.5 function in this https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/particulates/surface/level/overlay=pm2.5/orthographic=98.02,27.20,543/loc=116.833,34.303
14:19 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ earth :: a global map of wind, weather, and ocean conditions ]
14:19 < Emcy> wow look at china and india
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16:11 < DeanGuss> so whatever happened to abc coin?  Is it dead yet?  Did deadalnix go back to work at google?
16:39 < Sharkeisha> troll
16:41 < DeanGuss> #GenuinelyCuriousButNotEnoughToActuallyLookIntoIt
16:41 < gmaxwell> DeanGuss: trading for 0.00063169 BTC/BCHABC
16:42 < gmaxwell> so it's like seeing BCH's future.
16:42 < gmaxwell> gotta be pretty insulting that it trades for a price way lower than its sibling scams.
16:42 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc
16:42 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00665403 [-7.38%] | hitbtc 0.00663300 [-7.71%] | southxchange 0.00655317 [-10.35%] |
16:42 < gmaxwell> .price bcv btc
16:42 < deb0rah> Sorry, pair not found.. :(
16:42 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc
16:42 < deb0rah> binance 0.01191600 [-12.29%] | bittrex 0.01192355 [-11.75%] | southxchange 0.01650512 [+22.09%] | livecoin 0.02838888 [+111.46%] | hitbtc 0.01189800 [-12.31%] | bleutrade 0.01200000 [-12.89%] | graviex 0.01247010 [-18.71%] | poloniex 0.01190725 [-11.51%] | kraken 0.01194000 [-11.82%] |
16:43 < grubles> ripples getting absolutely creamed
16:44 < gmaxwell> .price xrp usd
16:44 < deb0rah> kraken 0.26380000 [-38.78%] | bittrex 0.26590000 [-37.92%] |
16:44 < gmaxwell> I mean ... it should be like ... <$0.01 sooo? it's still doing amazing.
16:44 < phantomcircuit> <Emcy> >Twitter has confirmed that the official US presidential accounts will be wiped of their millions of followers before being transferred to the Biden administration.
16:45 < phantomcircuit> they did the same when transferring them to trump
16:46 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: I don't get why it's lawful for the federal government to use twitter like this-- they should have to conduct a reverse bid like when they let a restruant operate in a federal building.  Microblogging platforms should have to bid for the governments traffic.
16:46 -!- mode/#bitcoin-forks [+o midnight] by ChanServ
16:46 < DeanGuss> grules: finally haha. I remember being at a halloween party in 2017 and talking about crypto and a guy rather excitely said he had invested some grands into xrp.  I asked him why he thought it was a good coin, what it was good for, and what he might use it for.  Of course he could not answer.
16:47 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i don't think it is lawfun but what about the federal government is?
16:47 < gmaxwell> :-/
16:47 < phantomcircuit> lawfun
16:47 < phantomcircuit> lol
16:47 < phantomcircuit> i like this word
16:47 < gmaxwell> sounds like some word they would use in canadia.
16:47 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, arguably virtually the entirety of the federal government is an illegal expansion of powers
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17:05 < gmaxwell> 00:43 < grubles> ripples getting absolutely creamed
17:06 < gmaxwell> not really, it spent almost all of 2020 at the current price, and only jumped up ~nov 20th.
17:06 < gmaxwell> I wonder if SEC action caused ripple to stop selling at that point, resulting in a price rise.
17:07 <@midnight> .price xrp usd
17:07 < deb0rah> kraken 0.27138000 [-33.79%] | bittrex 0.27168000 [-34.19%] | livecoin 0.33646000 [-18.17%] |
17:07 <@midnight> .. that disconnect in arb just blows me away whenever I see it.
17:08 <@midnight> Like what the hell kind of shitchange is so disconnected like that.
17:09 < gmaxwell> It was $0.19 a year ago. $0.20 on march 10th. dropped to $0.13 on march 13th... and back to $0.30 in august.
17:09 <@midnight> Weird misconceptions about proof-of-reserves schemes. Looks like everyone's forgotten the idea. :(
17:09 < gmaxwell> hm?
17:10 < gmaxwell> funny if the SEC action caused a price spike and made people lose a lot more money.
17:10 <@midnight> Some dude on twitter telling me that anchorage (never heard about them before) has "segregated" funds and thus doesn't need a merkle root based proof of reserves and can just provide (me inferring now) individualized proofs.
17:11 < phantomcircuit> midnight, ones that have a high default risk
17:11 < gmaxwell> midnight: you mean, "prove the same funds redundantly to every customer" lol
17:12 <@midnight> gmaxwell: it's brutal. :( Hoping he's just a rando and not someone who runs it or builds it
17:12 <@midnight> phantomcircuit: yeh lol
17:13 < gmaxwell> midnight: well if it truly is seregated, such that you see your deposit go in and they never move it... then you'd see if it got taken.
17:13 <@midnight> but primarily seems to be some kind of shitcoin support service. also zero word of any proofs available to customers at all based on a google site search, so I'm curious now wtf he's talking about
17:13 <@midnight> gmaxwell: seems spammy for an exchange.
17:14 < gmaxwell> I don't think it's an exchange, it's some custody service, no?
17:15 <@midnight> They say they have some kind of exchange support? Or Service? And my orig tweet was about exchanges, so if it's just a custody wallet then *shrug* I guess my query will turn to "answer unrelated". I guess
17:15 <@midnight> I asked him what the proof constitutes, anyway. No mockery yet. Perhaps he's misconstruing something they're offering him on eth or some weird altcoin.
17:17 <@midnight> oh wait I didn't ask for exchanges.
17:17 <@midnight> plain institutions.
17:17 <@midnight> brutal. Lack of sleep I guess.
17:21 <@midnight> Even so. If it's a pure wallet then why is there even a question. Good heavens, I can't imagine a *wallet* that mingles user funds into a pool for storage purposes.
17:22 < gmaxwell> midnight: well thats what all web wallets historically have done... it's good for payment efficiency.
17:22 <@midnight> "Proof of reserves = proof of an excess balance, via challenger message; this is what anchorage does."
17:22 <@midnight> lol what the hell does that mean
17:23 < gmaxwell> sounds like jargon nonsense. might be fine, might just be covering up a scam.
17:23  * midnight shrugs
17:24 < grubles> seeing people talking about coinbase delisting ripples hehheh
17:25 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, that price rise late november is almost certainly from the sec's actions, exactly how is hard to say
17:26 < gmaxwell> grubles: anyone confirm if it was coinbase that took the 17 million XRP bribe mentioned in the docs?
17:26 <@midnight> They appear to have a fairly extensive internal comms channel for their shills to sync messaging. I wonder if they spread some weird rumours in there or just plain lied.
17:26 < gmaxwell> ah, ultrapump before they'd have to stop selling?
17:27 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: sad thing is that the SEC is just going to settle all this shit with a $20 million dollar wrist slap.
17:27 <@midnight> they were hitting on Adam's "XRP is crap" tweet *really really hard*
17:29 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, in all likelyhood yeah
17:29 < gmaxwell> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/kj165q/the_store_of_value_narrative/ cashies can't even get bitcoin's age right.
17:29 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ The “Store of Value” narrative : btc ]
17:29 < grubles> gmaxwell: i checked the timing for their listing and i don't think it was coinbase
17:29 < grubles> coinbase listed it in 2019
17:29 < grubles> whereas the bribery was in 2017 apparently
17:31 < gmaxwell> what US based exchange listed in 2017 then?
17:31 < gmaxwell> (I've been told that coinbase lists based on bribes too... so presumably it was just a later bribe not covered in the investigation)
17:31 < grubles> not sure
17:31 < phantomcircuit> maybe it was late 2017 and it took them 13 months to implement
17:32 < gmaxwell> (and thats consistent with coinbase's listing patterns, they list a LOT of premined/ico shit relative to the non-premined shit they list)
17:34 < gmaxwell> e.g. they list zcash but not monero.
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17:34 <@midnight> coinbase doesn't list monero?!
17:35 <@midnight> that's messed up.
17:36 < grubles> yeah it's strange considering kraken lists it
17:36 < gmaxwell> they mostly list premined dogshit that can pay them for listings. https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/getting-started/general-crypto-education/supported-cryptocurrencies
17:37 < gmaxwell> kraken just list everything that will get substantial trade volume and isn't a total nightmare to run.
17:37 < grubles> pretty much
17:38 < gmaxwell> I can respect listing dogshit more if you're listing all the dogshit and not ignoring bitcoin support as a consequence.
17:39 < gmaxwell> But coinbases and gemini's curated dogshit is not good, esp where they're taking bribes for listing.
17:39 <@midnight> huh.
17:40 < gmaxwell> https://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=607
17:40 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ 57 Varieties of Pyrite: Exchanges Are Now The Enemy of Bitcoin – Rusty Russell's... ]
17:40 <@midnight> I remember that post.
17:41 < gmaxwell> should we be surprised?
18:00 < grubles> hey hifive increased the unmatched RAM to 16 GB
18:01 < grubles> that's cool
18:01 <@midnight> yeah they did that a couple weeks ago I think?
18:02 < grubles> yeah TIL
18:02 <@midnight> Pretty neat they did that.
18:05 < grubles> yeah totally
18:12 < grubles> that's a legit device now for its price
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18:25 <@midnight> grubles: you saw the glasgow is in funding now?
18:26 <@midnight> gmaxwell: Actually, in case you missed it when I posted it before: https://www.crowdsupply.com/1bitsquared/glasgow
18:26 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Glasgow Interface Explorer | Crowd Supply ]
18:26 <@midnight> that thing can do some crazy crazy nutball stuff.
18:27 < grubles> i saw someone post about that on twitter
18:27 < grubles> what can it do?
18:27 <@midnight> whitequark for a while was reversing every darn thing she could get her hands on
18:28 <@midnight> grubles: it's a crazy swiss-army-knife "I can talk to everything" interface. JTAG replacement, auto-detect UARTs, program memory chips, even run old 1990s-era peripherals.
18:32 <@midnight> It reconfgures itself via nMigen, so, a kind of python->fpga insta-synthesis for reconfigurability.
18:34 <@midnight> whitequark was reversing protocols a lot, too. She'd post these long threads about her deep-dives into ATAPI and SCSI and USB stuff.
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18:39 <@midnight> Ah here we go: https://github.com/whitequark/glasgow/tree/master/software/glasgow/
18:39 < Entitlement> midnight - [ glasgow/software/glasgow at master · whitequark/glasgow · GitHub ]
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18:44 <@midnight> check that out. PS/2 device support, CPU jtag interfaces, vga and various display drivers, loads of memory chips, uarts (there's neat pin autosensing for these,) i2c, spi, **arc** chip jtag(!), *reading* RGB input from other devices.
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18:46 <@midnight> and I think if it were that easy for whitequark in the limited time she had while developing for it in the first place, a whole pile of new devices are going to be added "soon". :)
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20:04 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i wanted to do an exchange that charged for storage and basically didn't charge for trades
20:04 < phantomcircuit> but ya know
20:04 < phantomcircuit> rulllleeesssss
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21:39 < gmaxwell> https://i.redd.it/jxcqh2ne0r661.png  < what is the little shield icon in the top right?
21:39 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ png (2856 x 1292) ]
21:41 < gmaxwell> nevermind, apparently its the icon for reddit premium.
21:42 < queip> speaking of Ledger. IRS leaks will be interesting too
21:42 < DeanGuss> Wow, what a fucking idiot.  I guess he needs to start promoting BTC again instead of BCH.
21:43 < queip> gmaxwell: no idea, ask /r/meta or something?
21:45 < gmaxwell> queip: I figured it out, it's premium, I don't see it on my account because who the fuck uses the new format.
21:46 < queip> I wish reddit and spez would just die in hellfire
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21:57 < queip> polish government passed in a law that bans playing online chess
22:00 < queip> (because covid).   see? they are shitting in buggy law and tons of crazy restrictions for months, instead doing 1 full lockdown
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22:05 <@midnight> sharkeisha likely won't be back
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22:06 <@midnight> in other news: nothing quite like snowing the tiny island polynesian island of tuvalu with craigist bullshitvision.
22:06 <@midnight> Is this the part where miners can now mess with tiny island nations just to prove a point?
22:10 < gmaxwell> whats this?
22:15 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc
22:15 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00672272 [-5.19%] | hitbtc 0.00671300 [-5.56%] | southxchange 0.00666535 [-8.81%] |
22:15 < gmaxwell> ohh below 0.007
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22:28 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the fuck is premium
22:29 < gmaxwell> what used to be called reddit gold
22:31 < phantomcircuit> right so no ads
22:43 < gmaxwell> it occurs to me that the main effect (and purpose, presumably) of ethereum POS will be enshrining the preminers share of the funds forever (or even concentrating them, since smaller parties often won't participate in the POS)
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22:47 <@midnight> gmaxwell: https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1341774172675039233 and then multiple announcements such as: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tuvalu-embarks-worlds-first-national-184600874.html
22:47 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Tuvalu Embarks on World's First National Digital Ledger and Infrastructure Proje... ]
22:49 <@midnight> I'm trying to find actual authentic sources but aside from un-checked twitter accounts with lots of numbers in their names, and prnewswire-looking announces, I don't see anything yet from what appears to be an official tuvalu source.
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22:50 <@midnight> I mean..  11,000 people. Tiny remote northern towns in Canada have more people than that.
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22:51 <@midnight> https://twitter.com/TuvaluPM Their guy isn't verified.
22:55 <@midnight> and then of course tweets from jimmywinsv etc: https://twitter.com/JimmyWinSV/status/1341035366476783616
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23:02 < gmaxwell> is there anything from TuvaluPM ?
23:04 <@midnight> haven't found anything yet
23:07 < gmaxwell> too bad there aren't more investigative journalists to go around.
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23:07 < phantomcircuit> the .tv ccTLD is a significant % of their GDP
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23:08 < gmaxwell> that was Kat's comment...
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23:24 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, what kind of fiber would you run indoors for maybe 30-40m?
23:27 < phantomcircuit> think i want multimode stuff but
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23:43 < gmaxwell> honestly today I wouldn't bother with mmf for anything, you can just get a 50m single mode patch cord, premade. and you can put wall jacks on each end.
23:44 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: smf is less expensive.... historically MMF optics were cheaper but thanks to ebay, all optics are cheap.
23:46 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: in fact I had a 50ft mmf run in my house that I recently switched out to single mode, because I wanted to patch it over to another building.
23:48 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: https://www.amazon.com/FLYPROFiber-Fiber-Patch-Length-Options/dp/B08BZ9QB61/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=50m+single+mode+patch+cable&qid=1608796079&sr=8-3
23:51 < gmaxwell> and you can get couplers that fit into wallplates: https://www.amazon.com/diyTech-Fiber-Optic-Keystone-Jack/dp/B07T45RWJM/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=fiber%2Bkeystone%2Bsingle%2Bmode%2Bos2&qid=1608796271&sr=8-5&th=1
23:52 < gmaxwell> if you do multimode you can do the same thing of premade patch + couplers.
23:59 < gmaxwell> (the above assumes you're hooking up stuff that uses sfp/sfp+/qsfp/qsfp28  ... if you want some particular multimode thing well then obviously use multimode)
23:59 < gmaxwell> you can sometimes get single mode stuff to work short distances over mmf, but not the converse.
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