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00:55 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc
00:55 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00569336 [-3.32%] | hitbtc 0.00568900 [-3.22%] | southxchange 0.00565983 [-3.64%] |
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01:20 < ossifrage> .price bch btc
01:20 < deb0rah> binance 0.01224000 [-2.25%] | bittrex 0.01221499 [-2.52%] | southxchange 0.01222252 [-2.22%] | hitbtc 0.01223600 [-2.25%] | bleutrade 0.01311700 [-3.48%] | graviex 0.01254522 [-2.70%] | poloniex 0.01222213 [-2.41%] | kraken 0.01219000 [-2.87%] |
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05:50 < Emcy> ;;tlast
05:50 <@gribble> 28500.0
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06:09 < grubles> https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/politics/biden-midnight-regulations-freeze/index.html
06:09 < Entitlement> grubles - [ Biden White House to issue memo to halt or delay midnight regulations on Jan. 20... ]
06:09 < grubles> re: rushed fincen stuff
06:15 < belcher> what does that all mean?
06:17 < grubles> sounds like there's a chance the biden admin will stop or delay the proposed new fincen regulations?
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07:26 < Emcy> grubles that would be nice
07:27 < Emcy> ive been trying to figure out why trumps guy has been trying to ram thru those regs on his way out, and i cant?
07:29 < Emcy> >receive crypto from
07:29 < Emcy> what the feck?
07:31 < Emcy> so are they gonna run chainalysis on your wallets and refuse to deal with and supposedly linked addresses before you dox those addresses or what
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07:35 < Emcy> >it's also classic to see all the people on twitter with moons, lightning bolts, and rocket ships in their handle to complain about "this kills the spirit of crypto!" Despite the ethos being to always 'hodl' it on exchanges and never use it. They'd never be withdrawing it to a personal address.
07:35 < Emcy> lmao ever heard of 'not your keys not your coins', what an idiot
07:37 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/knnm4e/eth_network_is_unusable_as_we_speak_fees_spiking/
07:37 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ ETH network is unusable as we speak ... fees spiking to 80USD ! : btc ]
07:37 < Emcy> lol its vitaliks turn now
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08:05 < gmaxwell> BUT THE INTERNET OF MONEY SHOULD NOT HAVE FEES OVER $0.05 !!!!!!!!
08:06 < queip> regular gaming rig is like 2000$, so imagine how much entire world's computer must be
08:08 < gmaxwell> Emcy: sadly, vitaliks' publically known main wallet alone is worth 0.244 Billion dollars, so I doubt he can hear anyone mocking his prior comments over the sound of all that money.
08:10 < Emcy> i dont understand why they dont just bang out at that point
08:10 < Emcy> just say your pleasantries and exit
08:11 < Emcy> once again, being the boss of something is more attractive than enjoying the money?
08:11 < gmaxwell> well to be fair, that position is substantially illiquid. he could sell 10 million of it without collapsing the price, perhaps, but not most of it.
08:11 < Emcy> https://img.ifunny.co/images/13d7c3b0aae9e286ea6fa607049975c2a322170a96140412846e9e4f686b0aa0_1.jpg
08:11 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (1066 x 1385) ]
08:11 < gmaxwell> but yeah, I don't get it.
08:12 < Emcy> myspace tom sold up for 100mm iirc
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08:27 < queip> how good/bad is coldcard?
08:34 < Veggen> mmm. turkey for the new years party. A party of two :) (gonna last for some days with leftovers)
08:58 < Emcy> i found a little chunk of lamb in the back of the freezer for christmas day
08:58 < Emcy> who knows how long it was there
08:58 < Emcy> but it was the best christmas day dinner i ever had
08:59 < Emcy> even oven roasted a tinned ham to go with it, all fancy like
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09:55 < grubles> Emcy: sounds yum
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10:09 < Emcy> it was rather, compared to what was originally planned, and a small thing that im grateful for amongst everything else
10:10 < Emcy> .pruce xrp usd
10:10 < Emcy> .price xrp usd
10:10 < deb0rah> kraken 0.21819000 [+0.86%] | bittrex 0.21712000 [+0.75%] |
10:10 < Emcy> ripple still gettin delisted
10:11 < grubles> wonder why kraken hasn't delisted yet
10:15 < gmaxwell> I can only imagine that as more parties delist the revenue goes up
10:15 < gmaxwell> and kraken has had it listed since 2013, so if listing it was a crime it might be past the statue of limitations.
10:16 < gmaxwell> coinbase probably took a significant bribe to list it, which might make them complicit in a way karken is not.
10:18 < Emcy> spicy
10:18 < Emcy> wonder if thatll come out in the wash
10:18 < Emcy> is coinbase too big to fail now
10:19 < Emcy> or the closely related too big to jail
10:19 < gmaxwell> SEC seems pretty impotent.
10:19 < gmaxwell> like, notice in this xrp action.. they're not going after a dozen other co-conspirators who all made out like bandits, or even jed.
10:20 < gmaxwell> but maybe if coinbase kept it up they'd be more likely to get fined.
10:20 < gmaxwell> the amount ripple bribed them by would be an obvious fine.
10:20 < gmaxwell> or even bribe plus all trading fees.
10:20 < gmaxwell> so maybe by delisting now they hope to keep those funds.
10:21 < Emcy> even if they lost all that, overall it still make sthe whole enterprise 'worth a try'
10:22 < Emcy> id why regulators are too pussy to fine entities a %age of turnover or something, instead of fixed dollar amounts which they can just cut a cheque for in the courtroom and slap it on the bench before going for lunch
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10:38 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/25350843/maxis-will-ignore-this#p25351642 sometimes i wonder how many bitcoiners really are on this site
10:38 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - MAXIS WILL IGNORE THIS - Business & Finance - 4chan ]
10:38 < Emcy> more than i would have assumed i think
10:49 < queip> sad to see Bitcoin OTC failing victim to limitations of boomertech - https://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/ - (Cannot access the database)
10:50 < queip> *falling.  Centralized solution, so when admin it bussy with other things it remains dead. Also quite possible that no one has backup
10:50 < queip> better do such things in git
10:55 < queip> Emcy: 98% of users, by money
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11:02 < Emcy> >NANO has a larger Nakamoto coefficient than BTC. BTC may have more nodes (see my earlier reply regarding network effect), but it is more centralized.
11:03 < Emcy> wut
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11:49 < Emcy> >In summary, I believe this to be a longstanding hardware-software bug in Linux due to a hardware degraded 7260 NIC. Replacing the 7260 card fixed it for me.
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12:16 < phantomcircuit> i cant get 10GBASE-T to work with an H11DSi-NT with these cables https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=301&cp_id=30102&cs_id=3010203&p_id=27512&seq=1&format=2
12:16 < Entitlement> phantomcircuit - [ Monoprice SlimRun Cat6A Ethernet Patch Cable - Snagless RJ45, Stranded, S/STP, P... ]
12:16 < phantomcircuit> it's so sad
12:16 < phantomcircuit> it flips around between 100mbps 5gbps and just dead
12:19 < queip> reddit replacement - voat - also died (few days ago) as consequence of centralized social media. admin decided he doesn't want to keep it running, so all is RIP
12:20 < Emcy> >I'm going to close this as WILL_NOT_FIX, because there is nothing we can do from the driver side.
12:20 < Emcy> anger
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12:23 < Emcy> phantomcircuit the gold plated ground drain thing is a giveaway
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12:23 < Emcy> queip voat started with good intentions but it was long the cae that the front page was just covered in unironic natsoc shit 24/7
12:24 < Emcy> which is probably why the funding fell thru, which is why it really closed
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12:45 < Emcy> >Noise.cash is to $BCH what Satoshi Dice was to $BTC. New use case only possible with #Crypto causing explosion of transactions & users
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12:46 < Emcy> so, a self funding spam attack that lasted years?
12:46 < Emcy> one of the greatest case studies for blocksize limits?
12:46 < Emcy> i thought SD did move to bch in the end
12:57 < phantomcircuit> Emcy, giveaway of what?
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13:06 < Emcy> cable not so good
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13:36 < phantomcircuit> Emcy, why is that a giveaway?
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13:42 < queip> Emcy: lack of customization is another downside of boomertech model
13:43 < queip> central serwer decides, client consooome
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15:28 < midnight> Emcy: "nakamoto coefficient"? Like how much of an affinity fraud bs is that?
15:29 < midnight> Emcy: nano is such a scummy fraud..
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15:40 < midnight> Oh hey, in trying to find whether I did a write-up about nano, I found this helpful gem: https://archive.is/smOY1 Gavin Andresen commenting about the credit theft stealing misattribution misattribute gmax greg maxwell github bug not github drama "Greg didn't hack github; stop trying to cause drama, it reflects badly on you and helps no one."
15:40 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Did Greg Maxwell scam investors out of $55 million by hacking GitHub? : btc ]
15:42 < Emcy> the fug
15:43 < Emcy> ha its rbtc before they changed it to the st bitts corporate colour swatch
15:49 < Emcy> https://i.redd.it/c75v5ii2bl861.png so now it was the fucking *miners* who sabotaged bitcoin to keep blocks 1mb? LOL
15:49 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (1156 x 592) ]
15:49 < Emcy> you can tell Ray only pops his head in the bitcoin door once every 3 or 4 years goddamn
15:51 < gmaxwell> I dunno why anyone cares what he says. other than like one post in the original thread, assuming it was really the same person, his first visibility was in 2013 mostly interested in altcoins.
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15:52 < gmaxwell> Then he says some stuff about bitcoins history that is easily proved to be false, then does some whining rage quit, saying he sold all his coins, about some false claims that bitcoin would collapse because of the limit (arguments which he's since deleted).
15:53 < midnight> gmaxwell: *only* because they quote him as an authority about it and asserted things that he "intended" and so on, and so him saying that destroys that entire line of credibility entirely.
15:53 < midnight> gmaxwell: I'd love to catalogue those deleted comments--  was that twitter or something?
15:53 < midnight> pretty scummy, lol
15:53 < midnight> What else is new for Sunny King anyway
15:54 < gmaxwell> bitcointalk
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15:57  * midnight shakes head.
15:58 < midnight> Lot of people don't know he does things like that.
15:58 < midnight> Actually I'm not sure I knew that. I definitely forgot about it if I did know.
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15:59 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 commit to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/ad206123e5d7...f3b23b804614
15:59 < lnd-bot> lnd/master f3b23b8 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: build: bump version to v0.12.0-beta.rc3
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15:59 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed tag v0.12.0-beta.rc3: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/v0.12.0-beta.rc3
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15:59 < midnight> Wish I was more motivated re: archival tendencies.
15:59 < midnight> :-C
16:00 < Emcy> happy new year from the future
16:00 < midnight> Emcy: Happy New Year! What are today's lottery numbers..?!
16:00 < nkuttler> they really love to hate on bitcoin.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25597891
16:00 < gmaxwell> midnight: sunny king what?
16:00 < midnight> nkuttler: People have an extreme tendency to claw back success. It's particularly strong as a reaction in more socialist-leaning countries.
16:01 < midnight> gmaxwell: Gavin's Sunny King, isn't he?
16:01 < midnight> There was an accidental anime picture he double-used.
16:01 < gmaxwell> yes, it appears extremely likely.
16:01 < queip> happy to see midnight say something about negative aspects of socialism, happy 2021
16:01 < Emcy> todays lottery numbers
16:01 < Emcy> .price btc usd
16:01 < deb0rah> graviex 28990.00000000 [+5.42%] | bitstamp 28992.79 [-0.49%] | gdax 29053.7 [-0.37%] | bittrex 29002.13100000 [-0.44%] | hitbtc 28995.41000000 [-0.97%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 29038.00000 [-0.29%] | bitfinex 28968.00000000 [-0.36%] | southxchange 28887.99990000 [+0.65%] |
16:01 < queip> .altprice usd
16:02 < queip> .price bch btc
16:02 < deb0rah> binance 0.01181300 [-3.16%] | bittrex 0.01181450 [-3.08%] | hitbtc 0.01181200 [-3.01%] | graviex 0.01247152 [-0.59%] | poloniex 0.01182839 [-2.94%] | kraken 0.01186000 [-2.79%] |
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16:03 < queip> lol, it's ATL!~
16:03 < midnight> queip: Are you in the future too? Happy New Year, man.
16:03 < midnight> seriously. :)
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16:03 < queip> midnight: we are 1 hour ahead of UTC
16:03 < Emcy> goodbye easily one of the worst years of my life
16:03 < midnight> queip: So 1 am-ish? Nice. Yeah man, Happy New Year.
16:03 < queip> o/
16:03 < Emcy> a lot of peoples lives
16:04 < midnight> Emcy: Here's to that! ~\o
16:04 < queip> Emcy:    [x] working from home   [x] masks ok    [x] easy bank robbing (see previous)   [x] not getting infected by ANYTHING (n100 users)   [x] USD goes down  [x] BTC goes up
16:04 < Emcy> queip im on the prime meridian. its new years because i say it is :)
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16:05 < Entitlement> nkuttler - [ Bitcoin is a disaster | Hacker News ]
16:08 < queip> "I don't buy things in crypto only because of the reporting burden. Every cup of coffee bought with crypto has to be reported on a tax return. "
16:08 < queip> 0% income taxation fixes this
16:09 < queip> not sure if even classification of BTC as money would fix it fully
16:09 < queip> gmaxwell: happy ATL day
16:12 < midnight> Pretty sure things like coffee purchases aren't reportable anyway, are they
16:12 < queip> midnight: why not?
16:14 < midnight> Too small, too pointless.
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16:14 < midnight> Just calculating the reporting itself as an item in tax returns is a waste of everyone's time, including the IRS.
16:15 < queip> I do not know of any country that would make exception for some small amount.  at most  one can hope his tax-crime will get unnoticed due to limited resources of the law man
16:15 < queip> plus, daily coffee would add to a real sum in the tax year
16:16 < midnight> But then, I'm Canadian, so it's not like I have any actual direct/specific experience with the IRS, so..
16:16 < qubenix> midnight: there is no diminimus exception in the us, all purchases are capital gain
16:17 < midnight> hrm
16:17 < queip> well, if your TOTALL income is below so called "income tax free rate" then you do not pay tax on it at all (still need to report the sum often), though this are limits like 2000$/month of total income. Or 200$/month income in the country made out from plywood and cardboard
16:18 < queip> oh, 57$/months. that is the tax free rate in Poland. Yupiiikayeey.
16:18 < queip> (x10 more if you are Senator or member of Parliment, just as a fuck you to populus)
16:32 < midnight> qubenix: Doesn't it just aggregate into a single line, though..?
16:33 < midnight> qubenix: Anyway, after reading about it, thank you. I am corrected.
16:39 < phantomcircuit> midnight, i believe that the irs regulations currently do actually require all capital gains to be reported, although not necessarily itemized
16:41 < phantomcircuit> midnight, also a hilarious % of canadians are also us citizens and don't properly report their income to the irs
16:41 < phantomcircuit> of course for the vast majority of them it's irrelevant cause they wouldn't owe anything
16:43 < phantomcircuit> also HN is completely useless for serious discord
16:43 < phantomcircuit> you'll get downvoted to oblivion for pointing out that the vast majority of the money invested in start-ups is so far from the source of the funds as to be play money
16:44 < phantomcircuit> cause that doesn't fit their internal narrative of being better than everybody else
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17:25 < Emcy> kyle is going to prison, sigh.....
17:25 < Emcy> because his lawyer is legitimately insane
17:25 < Emcy> very unfortunate for everyone
17:45 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast
17:45 <@gribble> 29416.32
17:45 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high
17:45 <@gribble> 29543.93
17:46 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc
17:46 < deb0rah> binance 0.01189700 [-2.71%] | bittrex 0.01187311 [-2.78%] | southxchange 0.01183697 [-3.33%] | hitbtc 0.01189100 [-2.39%] | graviex 0.01247152 [-0.59%] | poloniex 0.01184910 [-3.11%] | kraken 0.01188000 [-2.78%] |
17:46 < gmaxwell> gotta get my 1% meme ready.
17:47 < ossifrage> I want to see all the bch forks together below 1%
17:48 < gmaxwell> ;;calc [ re "s/.*USD\":(\\d+\.\\d+),.*/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ] / ( [ re "s/.*USD\":(\\d+\.\\d+),.*/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ] + [ tlast ] )
17:48 <@gribble> 0.0117233144714
17:50 < Emcy> all the bitcoin forks together cant be more than 2 by now
17:50 < Emcy> 2%
17:50 < gmaxwell> https://i.imgflip.com/4s74ay.jpg
17:50 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ jpeg (612 x 408) ]
17:51 < gmaxwell> I guess thats what I'll use.
17:51 < gmaxwell> .price bch usd
17:51 < deb0rah> southxchange 344.02675600 [-2.86%] | gdax 349.38 [-0.54%] | kraken 349.270000 [-0.67%] | bittrex 348.94000000 [-0.30%] | hitbtc 348.58900000 [-0.38%] |
17:51 < gmaxwell> needs a price of like 34k if BCH holds constant.
17:51 < gmaxwell> if that happens and I'm AFK someone else can feel free to post it. :P
17:53 < gmaxwell> bbl
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18:26 < Emcy> theres a picture from the occupy protests 10 years ago
18:27 < Emcy> people standing on the balcony of the NYSE, pouring champagne on the protestors below and laughing
18:28 < Emcy> might make a good meme for this occasion because 1. its pretty nasty 2. pokes their silly 'wall st took over bitcoin' psychosis lol
18:32 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/RHU_ThTBuzU jeez it looks like footage from the 80s
18:32 < Emcy> its barely ten years ago
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18:34 < Emcy> theres probably a better play on 'the 99% vs the 1%' i guess
18:35 < Emcy> maybe ittl annoy them more to allude that theyre the elitist 1% pigs, and bitcoiners being in the 99% are the real People lol
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18:53 < cncr04s> I was in the NYSE
18:54 < cncr04s> 2 years ago
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19:26 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqc5q2EXAAAkRVV?format=jpg&name=orig
19:26 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (1439 x 613) ]
19:43 < ossifrage> that looks like it has been transcoded many times before ending up in that link
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