--- Log opened Thu Dec 31 00:00:03 2020 00:11 -!- javi404 [~quassel@unaffiliated/javi404] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:39 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- javi404 [~quassel@unaffiliated/javi404] has joined #bitcoin-forks 00:55 < gmaxwell> .price bsv btc 00:55 < deb0rah> bittrex 0.00569336 [-3.32%] | hitbtc 0.00568900 [-3.22%] | southxchange 0.00565983 [-3.64%] | 01:01 -!- mp___ [~mp@hell.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:20 < ossifrage> .price bch btc 01:20 < deb0rah> binance 0.01224000 [-2.25%] | bittrex 0.01221499 [-2.52%] | southxchange 0.01222252 [-2.22%] | hitbtc 0.01223600 [-2.25%] | bleutrade 0.01311700 [-3.48%] | graviex 0.01254522 [-2.70%] | poloniex 0.01222213 [-2.41%] | kraken 0.01219000 [-2.87%] | 01:44 -!- jpe [~jp@193.9.112.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:45 -!- jpe [~jp@89.244.125.243] has joined #lnd 01:55 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has joined #lnd 03:01 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:42 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 03:55 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has joined #lnd 03:56 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 04:16 -!- petan [~g@wikimedia/Petrb] has joined #lnd 04:21 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 07:14 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:26 < Emcy> grubles that would be nice 07:27 < Emcy> ive been trying to figure out why trumps guy has been trying to ram thru those regs on his way out, and i cant? 07:29 < Emcy> >receive crypto from 07:29 < Emcy> what the feck? 07:31 < Emcy> so are they gonna run chainalysis on your wallets and refuse to deal with and supposedly linked addresses before you dox those addresses or what 07:34 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-158.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 07:35 < Emcy> >it's also classic to see all the people on twitter with moons, lightning bolts, and rocket ships in their handle to complain about "this kills the spirit of crypto!" Despite the ethos being to always 'hodl' it on exchanges and never use it. They'd never be withdrawing it to a personal address. 07:35 < Emcy> lmao ever heard of 'not your keys not your coins', what an idiot 07:37 < Emcy> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/knnm4e/eth_network_is_unusable_as_we_speak_fees_spiking/ 07:37 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ ETH network is unusable as we speak ... fees spiking to 80USD ! : btc ] 07:37 < Emcy> lol its vitaliks turn now 07:46 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 07:50 -!- Alzadoua is now known as A-cat 07:52 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 07:59 -!- Alzadoua [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has joined #lnd 08:00 -!- A-cat [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:02 -!- Alzadoua is now known as A-cat 08:05 < gmaxwell> BUT THE INTERNET OF MONEY SHOULD NOT HAVE FEES OVER $0.05 !!!!!!!! 08:06 < queip> regular gaming rig is like 2000$, so imagine how much entire world's computer must be 08:08 < gmaxwell> Emcy: sadly, vitaliks' publically known main wallet alone is worth 0.244 Billion dollars, so I doubt he can hear anyone mocking his prior comments over the sound of all that money. 08:10 < Emcy> i dont understand why they dont just bang out at that point 08:10 < Emcy> just say your pleasantries and exit 08:11 < Emcy> once again, being the boss of something is more attractive than enjoying the money? 08:11 < gmaxwell> well to be fair, that position is substantially illiquid. he could sell 10 million of it without collapsing the price, perhaps, but not most of it. 08:11 < Emcy> https://img.ifunny.co/images/13d7c3b0aae9e286ea6fa607049975c2a322170a96140412846e9e4f686b0aa0_1.jpg 08:11 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ jpeg (1066 x 1385) ] 08:11 < gmaxwell> but yeah, I don't get it. 08:12 < Emcy> myspace tom sold up for 100mm iirc 08:14 -!- Sajesajama__ [Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama] has joined #lnd 08:17 -!- Sajesajama_ [Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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A party of two :) (gonna last for some days with leftovers) 08:58 < Emcy> i found a little chunk of lamb in the back of the freezer for christmas day 08:58 < Emcy> who knows how long it was there 08:58 < Emcy> but it was the best christmas day dinner i ever had 08:59 < Emcy> even oven roasted a tinned ham to go with it, all fancy like 09:10 -!- jonatack [~jon@104.254.90.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:12 -!- jonatack [~jon@134.19.179.179] has joined #lnd 09:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 09:55 < grubles> Emcy: sounds yum 09:58 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:00 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 10:00 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 10:01 -!- HeySteve2 is now known as HeySteve 10:04 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 10:09 < Emcy> it was rather, compared to what was originally planned, and a small thing that im grateful for amongst everything else 10:10 < Emcy> .pruce xrp usd 10:10 < Emcy> .price xrp usd 10:10 < deb0rah> kraken 0.21819000 [+0.86%] | bittrex 0.21712000 [+0.75%] | 10:10 < Emcy> ripple still gettin delisted 10:11 < grubles> wonder why kraken hasn't delisted yet 10:15 < gmaxwell> I can only imagine that as more parties delist the revenue goes up 10:15 < gmaxwell> and kraken has had it listed since 2013, so if listing it was a crime it might be past the statue of limitations. 10:16 < gmaxwell> coinbase probably took a significant bribe to list it, which might make them complicit in a way karken is not. 10:18 < Emcy> spicy 10:18 < Emcy> wonder if thatll come out in the wash 10:18 < Emcy> is coinbase too big to fail now 10:19 < Emcy> or the closely related too big to jail 10:19 < gmaxwell> SEC seems pretty impotent. 10:19 < gmaxwell> like, notice in this xrp action.. they're not going after a dozen other co-conspirators who all made out like bandits, or even jed. 10:20 < gmaxwell> but maybe if coinbase kept it up they'd be more likely to get fined. 10:20 < gmaxwell> the amount ripple bribed them by would be an obvious fine. 10:20 < gmaxwell> or even bribe plus all trading fees. 10:20 < gmaxwell> so maybe by delisting now they hope to keep those funds. 10:21 < Emcy> even if they lost all that, overall it still make sthe whole enterprise 'worth a try' 10:22 < Emcy> id why regulators are too pussy to fine entities a %age of turnover or something, instead of fixed dollar amounts which they can just cut a cheque for in the courtroom and slap it on the bench before going for lunch 10:27 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:38 < Emcy> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/25350843/maxis-will-ignore-this#p25351642 sometimes i wonder how many bitcoiners really are on this site 10:38 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ /biz/ - MAXIS WILL IGNORE THIS - Business & Finance - 4chan ] 10:38 < Emcy> more than i would have assumed i think 10:49 < queip> sad to see Bitcoin OTC failing victim to limitations of boomertech - https://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/ - (Cannot access the database) 10:50 < queip> *falling. Centralized solution, so when admin it bussy with other things it remains dead. Also quite possible that no one has backup 10:50 < queip> better do such things in git 10:55 < queip> Emcy: 98% of users, by money 11:02 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02 < Emcy> >NANO has a larger Nakamoto coefficient than BTC. BTC may have more nodes (see my earlier reply regarding network effect), but it is more centralized. 11:03 < Emcy> wut 11:36 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:44 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:47 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jhzugnblbuxavtfw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bamhammylzdpvfhb] has joined #lnd 11:48 -!- mmitech___ [sid446259@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvxjtqyunhsyffsk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtweehemopgkzarw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48 -!- Sajesajama__ [Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49 -!- junderw [sid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfidcerscmeegofe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:49 -!- igorfreire_ [sid346330@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oiwygdxnlhupaqdc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:49 -!- Sajesajama__ [Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama] has joined #lnd 11:49 -!- igorfreire_ [sid346330@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbbipgwakbsffifk] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:49 < Emcy> >In summary, I believe this to be a longstanding hardware-software bug in Linux due to a hardware degraded 7260 NIC. Replacing the 7260 card fixed it for me. 11:50 -!- mmitech___ [sid446259@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdjksjufxfqvbjpb] has joined #lnd 11:50 -!- junderw [sid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-piecahfaldmwnacg] has joined #lnd 11:50 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ammtqmswwvkhmxzx] has joined #lnd 12:16 < phantomcircuit> i cant get 10GBASE-T to work with an H11DSi-NT with these cables https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=301&cp_id=30102&cs_id=3010203&p_id=27512&seq=1&format=2 12:16 < Entitlement> phantomcircuit - [ Monoprice SlimRun Cat6A Ethernet Patch Cable - Snagless RJ45, Stranded, S/STP, P... ] 12:16 < phantomcircuit> it's so sad 12:16 < phantomcircuit> it flips around between 100mbps 5gbps and just dead 12:19 < queip> reddit replacement - voat - also died (few days ago) as consequence of centralized social media. admin decided he doesn't want to keep it running, so all is RIP 12:20 < Emcy> >I'm going to close this as WILL_NOT_FIX, because there is nothing we can do from the driver side. 12:20 < Emcy> anger 12:22 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23 < Emcy> phantomcircuit the gold plated ground drain thing is a giveaway 12:23 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 12:23 < Emcy> queip voat started with good intentions but it was long the cae that the front page was just covered in unironic natsoc shit 24/7 12:24 < Emcy> which is probably why the funding fell thru, which is why it really closed 12:29 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 12:45 < Emcy> >Noise.cash is to $BCH what Satoshi Dice was to $BTC. New use case only possible with #Crypto causing explosion of transactions & users 12:46 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 12:46 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 12:46 < Emcy> so, a self funding spam attack that lasted years? 12:46 < Emcy> one of the greatest case studies for blocksize limits? 12:46 < Emcy> i thought SD did move to bch in the end 12:57 < phantomcircuit> Emcy, giveaway of what? 13:02 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 < Emcy> cable not so good 13:21 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 13:21 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 13:24 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:25 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 13:25 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 13:36 < phantomcircuit> Emcy, why is that a giveaway? 13:40 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42 < queip> Emcy: lack of customization is another downside of boomertech model 13:43 < queip> central serwer decides, client consooome 13:55 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has joined #lnd 14:25 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:33 -!- tripleslash [~triplesla@unaffiliated/imsaguy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33 -!- tripleslash [~triplesla@unaffiliated/imsaguy] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:42 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 14:49 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 14:54 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 14:59 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 15:13 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:28 < midnight> Emcy: "nakamoto coefficient"? Like how much of an affinity fraud bs is that? 15:29 < midnight> Emcy: nano is such a scummy fraud.. 15:34 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40 < midnight> Oh hey, in trying to find whether I did a write-up about nano, I found this helpful gem: https://archive.is/smOY1 Gavin Andresen commenting about the credit theft stealing misattribution misattribute gmax greg maxwell github bug not github drama "Greg didn't hack github; stop trying to cause drama, it reflects badly on you and helps no one." 15:40 < Entitlement> midnight - [ Did Greg Maxwell scam investors out of $55 million by hacking GitHub? : btc ] 15:42 < Emcy> the fug 15:43 < Emcy> ha its rbtc before they changed it to the st bitts corporate colour swatch 15:49 < Emcy> https://i.redd.it/c75v5ii2bl861.png so now it was the fucking *miners* who sabotaged bitcoin to keep blocks 1mb? LOL 15:49 < Entitlement> Emcy - [ png (1156 x 592) ] 15:49 < Emcy> you can tell Ray only pops his head in the bitcoin door once every 3 or 4 years goddamn 15:51 < gmaxwell> I dunno why anyone cares what he says. other than like one post in the original thread, assuming it was really the same person, his first visibility was in 2013 mostly interested in altcoins. 15:52 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52 < gmaxwell> Then he says some stuff about bitcoins history that is easily proved to be false, then does some whining rage quit, saying he sold all his coins, about some false claims that bitcoin would collapse because of the limit (arguments which he's since deleted). 15:53 < midnight> gmaxwell: *only* because they quote him as an authority about it and asserted things that he "intended" and so on, and so him saying that destroys that entire line of credibility entirely. 15:53 < midnight> gmaxwell: I'd love to catalogue those deleted comments-- was that twitter or something? 15:53 < midnight> pretty scummy, lol 15:53 < midnight> What else is new for Sunny King anyway 15:54 < gmaxwell> bitcointalk 15:55 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has joined #lnd 15:57 * midnight shakes head. 15:58 < midnight> Lot of people don't know he does things like that. 15:58 < midnight> Actually I'm not sure I knew that. I definitely forgot about it if I did know. 15:59 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 15:59 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 commit to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/ad206123e5d7...f3b23b804614 15:59 < lnd-bot> lnd/master f3b23b8 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: build: bump version to v0.12.0-beta.rc3 15:59 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 15:59 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 15:59 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed tag v0.12.0-beta.rc3: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/v0.12.0-beta.rc3 15:59 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 15:59 < midnight> Wish I was more motivated re: archival tendencies. 15:59 < midnight> :-C 16:00 < Emcy> happy new year from the future 16:00 < midnight> Emcy: Happy New Year! What are today's lottery numbers..?! 16:00 < nkuttler> they really love to hate on bitcoin.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25597891 16:00 < gmaxwell> midnight: sunny king what? 16:00 < midnight> nkuttler: People have an extreme tendency to claw back success. It's particularly strong as a reaction in more socialist-leaning countries. 16:01 < midnight> gmaxwell: Gavin's Sunny King, isn't he? 16:01 < midnight> There was an accidental anime picture he double-used. 16:01 < gmaxwell> yes, it appears extremely likely. 16:01 < queip> happy to see midnight say something about negative aspects of socialism, happy 2021 16:01 < Emcy> todays lottery numbers 16:01 < Emcy> .price btc usd 16:01 < deb0rah> graviex 28990.00000000 [+5.42%] | bitstamp 28992.79 [-0.49%] | gdax 29053.7 [-0.37%] | bittrex 29002.13100000 [-0.44%] | hitbtc 28995.41000000 [-0.97%] | bisq 11647.34520000 [-3.78%] | kraken 29038.00000 [-0.29%] | bitfinex 28968.00000000 [-0.36%] | southxchange 28887.99990000 [+0.65%] | 16:01 < queip> .altprice usd 16:02 < queip> .price bch btc 16:02 < deb0rah> binance 0.01181300 [-3.16%] | bittrex 0.01181450 [-3.08%] | hitbtc 0.01181200 [-3.01%] | graviex 0.01247152 [-0.59%] | poloniex 0.01182839 [-2.94%] | kraken 0.01186000 [-2.79%] | 16:02 -!- mp___ [mp@hell.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03 < queip> lol, it's ATL!~ 16:03 < midnight> queip: Are you in the future too? Happy New Year, man. 16:03 < midnight> seriously. :) 16:03 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:03 < queip> midnight: we are 1 hour ahead of UTC 16:03 < Emcy> goodbye easily one of the worst years of my life 16:03 < midnight> queip: So 1 am-ish? Nice. Yeah man, Happy New Year. 16:03 < queip> o/ 16:03 < Emcy> a lot of peoples lives 16:04 < midnight> Emcy: Here's to that! ~\o 16:04 < queip> Emcy: [x] working from home [x] masks ok [x] easy bank robbing (see previous) [x] not getting infected by ANYTHING (n100 users) [x] USD goes down [x] BTC goes up 16:04 < Emcy> queip im on the prime meridian. its new years because i say it is :) 16:04 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:05 < Entitlement> nkuttler - [ Bitcoin is a disaster | Hacker News ] 16:08 < queip> "I don't buy things in crypto only because of the reporting burden. Every cup of coffee bought with crypto has to be reported on a tax return. " 16:08 < queip> 0% income taxation fixes this 16:09 < queip> not sure if even classification of BTC as money would fix it fully 16:09 < queip> gmaxwell: happy ATL day 16:12 < midnight> Pretty sure things like coffee purchases aren't reportable anyway, are they 16:12 < queip> midnight: why not? 16:14 < midnight> Too small, too pointless. 16:14 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:14 < midnight> Just calculating the reporting itself as an item in tax returns is a waste of everyone's time, including the IRS. 16:15 < queip> I do not know of any country that would make exception for some small amount. at most one can hope his tax-crime will get unnoticed due to limited resources of the law man 16:15 < queip> plus, daily coffee would add to a real sum in the tax year 16:16 < midnight> But then, I'm Canadian, so it's not like I have any actual direct/specific experience with the IRS, so.. 16:16 < qubenix> midnight: there is no diminimus exception in the us, all purchases are capital gain 16:17 < midnight> hrm 16:17 < queip> well, if your TOTALL income is below so called "income tax free rate" then you do not pay tax on it at all (still need to report the sum often), though this are limits like 2000$/month of total income. Or 200$/month income in the country made out from plywood and cardboard 16:18 < queip> oh, 57$/months. that is the tax free rate in Poland. Yupiiikayeey. 16:18 < queip> (x10 more if you are Senator or member of Parliment, just as a fuck you to populus) 16:32 < midnight> qubenix: Doesn't it just aggregate into a single line, though..? 16:33 < midnight> qubenix: Anyway, after reading about it, thank you. I am corrected. 16:39 < phantomcircuit> midnight, i believe that the irs regulations currently do actually require all capital gains to be reported, although not necessarily itemized 16:41 < phantomcircuit> midnight, also a hilarious % of canadians are also us citizens and don't properly report their income to the irs 16:41 < phantomcircuit> of course for the vast majority of them it's irrelevant cause they wouldn't owe anything 16:43 < phantomcircuit> also HN is completely useless for serious discord 16:43 < phantomcircuit> you'll get downvoted to oblivion for pointing out that the vast majority of the money invested in start-ups is so far from the source of the funds as to be play money 16:44 < phantomcircuit> cause that doesn't fit their internal narrative of being better than everybody else 17:10 -!- Sajesajama__ [Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25 < Emcy> kyle is going to prison, sigh..... 17:25 < Emcy> because his lawyer is legitimately insane 17:25 < Emcy> very unfortunate for everyone 17:45 < gmaxwell> ;;tlast 17:45 <@gribble> 29416.32 17:45 < gmaxwell> ;;ticker --high 17:45 <@gribble> 29543.93 17:46 < gmaxwell> .price bch btc 17:46 < deb0rah> binance 0.01189700 [-2.71%] | bittrex 0.01187311 [-2.78%] | southxchange 0.01183697 [-3.33%] | hitbtc 0.01189100 [-2.39%] | graviex 0.01247152 [-0.59%] | poloniex 0.01184910 [-3.11%] | kraken 0.01188000 [-2.78%] | 17:46 < gmaxwell> gotta get my 1% meme ready. 17:47 < ossifrage> I want to see all the bch forks together below 1% 17:48 < gmaxwell> ;;calc [ re "s/.*USD\":(\\d+\.\\d+),.*/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ] / ( [ re "s/.*USD\":(\\d+\.\\d+),.*/\\1/g" [altprice bch] ] + [ tlast ] ) 17:48 <@gribble> 0.0117233144714 17:50 < Emcy> all the bitcoin forks together cant be more than 2 by now 17:50 < Emcy> 2% 17:50 < gmaxwell> https://i.imgflip.com/4s74ay.jpg 17:50 < Entitlement> gmaxwell - [ jpeg (612 x 408) ] 17:51 < gmaxwell> I guess thats what I'll use. 17:51 < gmaxwell> .price bch usd 17:51 < deb0rah> southxchange 344.02675600 [-2.86%] | gdax 349.38 [-0.54%] | kraken 349.270000 [-0.67%] | bittrex 348.94000000 [-0.30%] | hitbtc 348.58900000 [-0.38%] | 17:51 < gmaxwell> needs a price of like 34k if BCH holds constant. 17:51 < gmaxwell> if that happens and I'm AFK someone else can feel free to post it. :P 17:53 < gmaxwell> bbl 18:18 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:18 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 18:20 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:20 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26 < Emcy> theres a picture from the occupy protests 10 years ago 18:27 < Emcy> people standing on the balcony of the NYSE, pouring champagne on the protestors below and laughing 18:28 < Emcy> might make a good meme for this occasion because 1. its pretty nasty 2. pokes their silly 'wall st took over bitcoin' psychosis lol 18:32 < Emcy> https://youtu.be/RHU_ThTBuzU jeez it looks like footage from the 80s 18:32 < Emcy> its barely ten years ago 18:33 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 18:34 < Emcy> theres probably a better play on 'the 99% vs the 1%' i guess 18:35 < Emcy> maybe ittl annoy them more to allude that theyre the elitist 1% pigs, and bitcoiners being in the 99% are the real People lol 18:36 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:51 -!- jpe_ [~jp@88.130.218.187] has joined #lnd 18:53 < cncr04s> I was in the NYSE 18:54 < cncr04s> 2 years ago 18:55 -!- jpe [~jp@89.244.125.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:04 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:04 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:06 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 19:07 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123780-trow7-2-0-cust177.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:07 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:07 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 19:11 -!- mips [~mips@gateway/tor-sasl/mips] has joined #lnd 19:26 < Emcy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqc5q2EXAAAkRVV?format=jpg&name=orig 19:26 < Entitlement> Emcy - 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