--- Log opened Mon Jan 11 00:00:12 2021 00:41 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #bitcoin-forks 00:41 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 01:13 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 01:15 -!- DHARMAKAYA [~DHARMAKAY@216.151.183.205] has joined #bitcoin-forks 01:33 -!- favioflamingo [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:e86a:45fb:ba16:b99c] has joined #bitcoin-forks 02:09 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 02:09 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 02:22 -!- Alzadoua is now known as A-cat 02:54 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 03:11 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:12 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 03:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:23 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Quit: %bye%] 03:24 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 03:24 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 03:24 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 03:48 < queip> Veggen: kek 03:53 < pipilain1n> I just ordered a Blockstream Jade hw wallet 03:55 < queip> pipilain1n: cool 03:59 < pipilain1n> it seems to have support for the liquid sidechain, I've always wondered about that, it does seem pretty useful 04:00 < pipilain1n> altho federated sidechains are pretty lame 04:01 < pipilain1n> lame as in probably very useful but boring tech 04:01 < queip> pipilain1n: better than only SQL entry, and better than exchange<->exchange traffic taking onchain 04:01 < pipilain1n> yeah 04:02 < queip> what does it take to actually try it out, can just a person do that, or you need to be a company and register for them with some cost like uhm 100$? 04:02 < pipilain1n> no clue 04:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 04:15 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:15 < Emcy> they extended liquid to end users some time ago 04:16 < Emcy> used to be federation members only but now greenwallet supports it 04:33 < queip> maybe cool. Of course, because of the centralisation and censorship, distributed 04:34 < queip> maybe cool. Of course, because of the centralisation and censorship, distributed < decentralized, so I will mostly use LN, but good to have some options 04:36 < pipilain1n> LN is pretty useless for large transactions if you wanna cash out or load up on more BTC 04:36 < pipilain1n> but Liquid is pretty good for doing that 04:37 < pipilain1n> LN is good for small payments 04:37 < pipilain1n> but channel funding is messy 04:37 < pipilain1n> and seemingly scales in an ugly way 04:40 < queip> pipilain1n: yeah I ment for small 04:41 < queip> though... for medium LN should be ok too, depends what is "big" for you. Also the simplest payment channels (if you are going to 1 specific recipient) are obvious choice I think? 04:42 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 04:46 < Veggen> there won't be one solution that fits all. 04:47 < Veggen> As I see it, the blockchain works best if we limit how much we need to cram down on it. 04:47 < Veggen> Liquid to let traders trade between trusted platform in a federated way. 04:47 < Veggen> LN for a more distributed, spending-oriented network, but without the *full* trustlessness as onchain. 04:48 < Veggen> this is totally the opposite opinion than the BCH crowd, who believes the point is to have as much activity on the blockchain as possible. 04:49 -!- favioflamingo [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:e86a:45fb:ba16:b99c] has quit [Quit: favioflamingo] 04:53 < queip> yeah 04:53 < queip> even the name... noise.cash :eyeroll: they know what they are doing there. more like noise.trash 04:59 < pipilain1n> I wonder how far LN will go 05:00 < pipilain1n> it works incredibly well using Phoenix, but then you are relying on a LN service provider 05:01 < queip> when I have good channels open, I do not see any problems no more with it. Well it would be cool to get well known developers to reassure LN is now in fact safe to use, or it will just come with time 05:13 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #lnd 05:24 -!- DHARMAKAYA [~DHARMAKAY@216.151.183.205] has quit [Quit: Turning off a portion of this simulation.] 05:46 -!- HeySteve2 [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has joined #bitcoin-forks 05:46 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has quit [Changing host] 05:46 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 05:51 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:51 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:58 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-2-121.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 06:08 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:08 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 06:10 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:12 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 07:29 < queip> tbh I feel like there is room to improve regarding help we provide to eachother and new users in #bitcoin . I wonder is it so that most advanced developers focus solely on dev channels now. I think starting to work on wiki again can help too 07:44 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-076-026-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:17 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-173.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 08:18 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 08:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 08:24 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 08:35 -!- ch44t [~l3v3l@gateway/tor-sasl/l3v3l] has joined #bitcoin-forks 08:38 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 < pipilain1n> queip: totally agree 08:39 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 08:41 < queip> in time we can get better, just continue support on bitcoin and work on wiki, I guess good plan? I will try myself 08:41 * queip un-rusts RPC usage 08:42 < queip> like TIL it seems bitcoin could be better in offering RPC tools to CPFP 09:12 -!- ch44t [~l3v3l@gateway/tor-sasl/l3v3l] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 -!- dionysus69 [~dionysus6@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:17 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-2-121.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19 -!- ch44t [~l3v3l@gateway/tor-sasl/l3v3l] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:25 -!- ch44t [~l3v3l@gateway/tor-sasl/l3v3l] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:31 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:33 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 09:35 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:36 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 09:37 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:37 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 09:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:44 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:52 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 09:55 < pipilain1n> queip: thats the way 10:39 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:52 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:55 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 10:56 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 10:57 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:58 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:15 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:24 < Veggen> queip: what's "safe"? it's getting there. 11:24 < Veggen> there's some edge-cases along DDOS-attacks etc, and fee attacks, etc. 11:26 < Veggen> i don't think a guarantee about not losing money is something you'd ever get in bitcoin world... 11:28 < Veggen> I probably have too much for my own good in LN channels, now. But the tools to actually earn money from being a routing node is also staring to appear. 11:29 < Veggen> I also am starting to see that this "fees should be 0" is something we need to ditch. Yes, fees for low-value transactions should be close to 0, but I will charge real fees for routing real money. 11:30 < Veggen> today, I have charged 91, 81 and 2 satoshis in fees, on my 3 routed transactions :) 11:30 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 11:31 < Veggen> that it's proportional to the amount routed is natural for LN. 12:20 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:03 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-65.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:09 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 13:10 < queip> Veggen: well, that CVEs (high-S ; not checking signature at all) were scary 13:11 < queip> eventually we will say "yeah that was decade ago, decade with no new critical bug" but a solid review by domain experts would at least for me accelerate the process. I use LN anyway, but I wouldn't move half or my savings into channels because of this (plus first we need excellent instant backups and watchtowers) 13:14 < queip> once all that is done, people should move a lot of their holdings there. later multisig and hw wallets and you can put like half of life savings 13:25 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-65.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 14:34 -!- openoms_ [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:35 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #lnd 14:42 -!- dionysus69 [~dionysus6@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:54 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-65.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:55 -!- DHARMAKAYA [~DHARMAKAY@216.151.183.216] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:01 -!- DHARMAKA_ [~DHARMAKAY@50-242-99-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:01 -!- DHARMAKAYA [~DHARMAKAY@216.151.183.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:02 -!- DHARMAKA_ [~DHARMAKAY@50-242-99-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:10 < queip> I think this will move to Freenode IRC at some point, alread at bitcoin-* gate 16:11 < queip> discussion re "why Bigtech banned POTUS" someone says: for calling to violence we ask: show url? reply: well this is offtopic, this is bitcoin[-pricetalk], OPs do something 16:11 < queip> top kek. 16:33 -!- pipilain1n [pinne@bsd.douchedata.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33 -!- pipilainen [pinne@bsd.douchedata.com] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:56 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol@unaffiliated/tiraspol] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:04 < queip> wow, it seems American Express cuts off access to money for Congresman who are expressing opinions about elections needing more auditing etc. Time for USA congress/senators/etc to go with the plan B! :) 17:11 -!- favioflamingo [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:c03c:d2f1:c04b:f80a] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:20 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 17:23 -!- bluudz [~bluudz@103.108.94.45] has joined #lnd 17:27 -!- btcme [8c4bab51@140.75.171.81] has joined #lnd 17:30 -!- btcme [8c4bab51@140.75.171.81] has quit [Client Quit] 17:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:56 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 18:25 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:25 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 18:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:45 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 19:28 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:30 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:54 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:54 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 19:55 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:55 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:17 < Asara> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/recovery.md#forced-in-place-rescan 20:17 < Bubbish> [ lnd/recovery.md at master · lightningnetwork/lnd · GitHub ] - github.com 20:17 < Asara> is this not the case anymore? 20:18 < Asara> currently using 0.11.1-beta 20:19 < Asara> my current node's synced_to_chain is true, synced_to_graph is false, and all my channels have been inactive now for a few days. I figured it would reconnect but it hasn't 20:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 20:26 < Asara> or if its still rescanning, is there a way to view the progress of that? 20:43 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 20:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:53 < nkuttler> queip: the "free" in freenode is about free software, staff would never allow this. even the bitcoin channels are only tolerated 21:07 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #lnd 21:37 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 22:22 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 22:34 -!- DHARMAKAYA [~DHARMAKAY@216.194.62.67] has joined #bitcoin-forks 22:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 23:20 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jan 12 00:00:13 2021