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And yes, that's very likely that they can. 06:19 < Veggen> ..but do anyone think "hmm..now that we surpassed BTC in TX count, why didn't we increase in price? hash rate? What now? Shouldn't something happen?" 06:20 < Veggen> that's what's gonna happen. Absolutely nothing. Cramming useless low-value transaction on the blockchain is a metric of absolutely nothing. 06:21 < Veggen> Most of it is in fact tips on noise.cash, I believe. I think someone is behind and funding that one with a massive amount of tips. 06:30 -!- dduck [~kodachi@ipseccmd-finger.desireraw.com] has joined #bitcoin-forks 06:30 -!- dduck [~kodachi@ipseccmd-finger.desireraw.com] has left #bitcoin-forks ["Leaving"] 06:43 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 07:02 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:11 < buZz> Veggen: lol, no , very unlikely they can 07:13 < buZz> https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-bch.html#6m 07:13 < buZz> red line is BCH 07:13 < buZz> nobody is using it 07:13 < buZz> hell. even DOGECOIN has more usage normally ; https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-bch-doge.html#6m 07:13 < buZz> that ~since december, looks to be spam 07:14 < queip> I wonder why they do not use it 07:14 < queip> I mean, why they do not *pretend* to use it by filling it with shit\ 07:14 < queip> is the txfee 1s/b too high 07:15 < buZz> queip: even -caring- takes actual users to know and look 07:15 < buZz> they dont know and look or they wouldnt even be involved in BCH to begin with 07:27 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 07:39 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #lnd 07:44 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-forks 07:48 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irgxsgzakoxjkvff] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:01 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 08:01 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unishqwojohixkgo] has joined #lnd 08:06 < queip> damn, strap on my n100 full face mask broken. good that I bought more than one. Thanks bitcoin 08:07 < queip> luckily that is one of parts you can get separately and replace 08:08 < queip> seeing how this is the new normal and things will continue for next years, probably should replenish my stash of survival items anyway :) 08:14 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-2-19.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 08:16 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-forks 08:17 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-2-19.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:37 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 08:40 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-forks 08:40 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 08:41 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41 -!- snuck [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has joined #lnd 08:42 < buZz> i use a mask my gf sewed for me 08:42 < buZz> nowhere near any standards, but fine to get around needing one 08:42 < buZz> and saves a ton of money on disposable ones 08:43 -!- sneak [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45 < queip> https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/kw8brr/roger_ver_appreciation_post/ 08:45 < Entitlement> queip - [ Roger Ver appreciation post : btc ] 09:10 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:14 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 09:15 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd 09:20 < DeanWeen> > he is a dude with convictions 09:20 < DeanWeen> not wrong there 09:22 < nibbier> I guess it's on purpose that lnd requires a password to start up? huge pita for me :( 09:23 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 09:41 < queip> kinda but all other arguments are better 09:41 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45 < DeanWeen> felony convictions ;) 09:55 -!- HeySteve2 [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:55 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has quit [Changing host] 09:55 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 09:56 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has joined #lnd 10:00 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has quit [Quit: o/] 10:01 < nibbier> feels a bit like I'm forced to do what someone else thinks is good for me 10:07 < Asara> https://stadicus.github.io/RaspiBolt/raspibolt_6A_auto-unlock.html 10:07 < Bubbish> [ Auto-unlock LND | RaspiBolt ] - stadicus.github.io 10:07 < Asara> if you really don't like the wallet unlock that is an option ^ 10:08 < Asara> you might have to update some things in that script since its not up to date, but something similar to that would do the trick. 10:15 < Veggen> buzz: sure, they can. Very easy to spam the chain. Right now, they have around 100k transactions/day, only times 3 to catch up with bitcoin. 10:16 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 10:16 < buZz> now look at dogecoin :) 10:16 < Veggen> But as we all know: The future of bitcoin isn't how many transactions we can cram down on the blockchain, it's how many transactions we *can avoid* have hitting the blockchain :) 10:17 < buZz> heh yeah, LN is nice 10:17 < buZz> did you know, the tipbot in #dogecoin does BTC aswell :P 10:18 < Veggen> but LN will only be one of them, likely. Even Liquid and other federated things will be nice, when we don't need all that full trustlessness anyhow. 10:19 < buZz> well, its nice to have if it comes for 'free' 10:20 < Veggen> nothing is for free as long as it has to hit the blockchain. So we better make sure that we design around things where every blockchain tx account for more economic activity. 10:24 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 10:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 10:52 <@roasbeef> Asara: most ppl usually automate it 10:54 < Asara> should consider including a bash script in the repo in that case 10:54 <@roasbeef> ah meant to tag nibbier there 10:54 <@roasbeef> well depends on your env really 10:54 <@roasbeef> and as a node operator you should know what's going on then, since it's the encryption password to the walletdb 11:05 < buZz> even on doge, tx are ~1 usd cent now 11:15 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@mail.dargis.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:22 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:46 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-forks 11:46 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 12:05 < andytoshi> .price bch btc 12:05 < deb0rah> binance 0.01337500 [-0.79%] | bittrex 0.01335430 [-0.93%] | southxchange 0.01350345 [+0.22%] | hitbtc 0.01336800 [-1.10%] | graviex 0.01489976 [-0.04%] | poloniex 0.01334365 [-1.27%] | kraken 0.01334000 [-1.19%] | 12:05 < andytoshi> when did it jump? it's been going down a few days but it had been at 10% then suddenly was 14 again 12:38 < Old_Man> Right when bitcoin dropped from the $40k to mid-$30k range. 12:38 < Old_Man> And, let's make sure the order of magnitude is correct: they were almost down to 1%, and are now back up to 1.4% once bitcoin dropped. 12:39 < Old_Man> So bcash's value hasn't really changed very much; it's just bitcoin's value that changed. 12:41 < andytoshi> oh lol oops 12:41 < andytoshi> yeah i meant 1.0 and 1.4 :P 12:42 < Old_Man> Yep, barely a needle-wiggle. :) 12:58 -!- rojiro [~rojiro@gateway/tor-sasl/rojiro] has joined #bitcoin-forks 13:03 -!- jonatack [~jon@134.19.179.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #lnd 13:22 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 13:43 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has joined #bitcoin-forks 13:48 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:49 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #lnd 13:56 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has left #bitcoin-forks ["WeeChat 3.0"] 13:56 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:01 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:01 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@156-155-146-25.ip.internet.co.za] has quit [Changing host] 14:01 -!- HeySteve [~8037X2@unaffiliated/heysteve] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:02 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:03 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #lnd 14:21 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:21 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:23 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:23 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has joined #lnd 14:24 -!- rojiro [~rojiro@gateway/tor-sasl/rojiro] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 14:33 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-65.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:33 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 14:37 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:45 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Quit: Scaling pentatonically] 14:46 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:46 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:46 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:46 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.172.11.228] has joined #lnd 14:48 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 14:59 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has joined #bitcoin-forks 14:59 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has joined #lnd 15:02 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@159.2.165.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 15:04 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:23 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Quit: Scaling pentatonically] 15:37 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 15:40 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42 -!- Entitlement [~Entitleme@u2.my.to] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:47 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Quit: Scaling pentatonically] 15:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 15:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-forks 15:58 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 16:02 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:08 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:21 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:23 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:27 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has left #bitcoin-forks [] 16:28 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:30 < nibbier> Asara: I'm aware, but it's still a pain. script, service configuration, enable REST.... 16:38 < nibbier> if most ppl usually automat it, it completely fails it's purpose and should be optional anyway 16:46 -!- buZz [~buzz@unaffiliated/buzz] has left #lnd [] 16:50 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:53 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-forks 16:54 < Asara> ehhhhh.... its pretty much the standard to have some kind of password on your wallet, regardless of what crypto you are running 16:59 < nibbier> Asara: I doubt that... c-lightning does not require it, my mycelium wallet neither, nor my BLW lightning wallet or my samurai or electrum. which one does? 17:03 < nibbier> hardware wallet have one, as they are - in contrary to anything running on mobile or PC - certainly not protected by logins or encrypted disks 17:04 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:07 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #lnd 17:09 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:09 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 -!- saurus1995 [~quassel@221.146.27.110] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 17:29 <@roasbeef> nibbier: they don't require it as afaik, they store their wallet secret in plaintext on disk 17:30 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:30 <@roasbeef> most wallets have some sort of password protection, it's generally expected, do you want anyone to be able to access and run away with your funds? 17:30 <@roasbeef> as linked above, there're several ways to handle this, and if you don't care about the feature you can just use a basic password 17:31 -!- favioflamingo [~Thunderbi@2405:6580:3c0:5a00:c03c:d2f1:c04b:f80a] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:33 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 17:34 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 17:45 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Quit: Scaling pentatonically] 17:45 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:48 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 17:49 < Asara> sorry i am more use to using wallets built into full nodes (bitcoind/monerod/parity/grin etc.) and most of them, if not all require you to put in your pw to unlock the local wallet. 17:51 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has joined #bitcoin-forks 17:53 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-2-19.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:01 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 18:13 < queip> yeah that wallet being locked is a fucking pain in the ass 18:13 < queip> roasbeef, people hate it when software shove "we know better" solutions into their face 18:13 < queip> that is a terrible thing in lnd 18:14 < queip> also, wallet encryption is anyway stupid, more coins lost this way 18:14 < queip> if someone wants to protect his disk he will encrypt his disk. 18:15 < queip> (that later part being indeed solvable by using password "password", but still need to muck around with a scriptT) 18:20 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:23 -!- saurus1995 [~quassel@221.146.27.110] has joined #lnd 18:26 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@unaffiliated/bluematt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@unaffiliated/bluematt] has joined #lnd 18:30 -!- dviola [~diego@187.39.20.240] has left #bitcoin-forks ["WeeChat 3.0"] 18:31 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-forks 18:36 -!- jpe_ [~jp@89.244.121.51] has joined #lnd 18:38 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:40 -!- jpe [~jp@89.244.127.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:02 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 19:03 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-157.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-109.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lnd 19:11 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-forks 19:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 20:18 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has joined #bitcoin-forks 20:45 < queip> how bch users see Bitcoiners https://youtu.be/a5g8J9Ivjm8?t=1955 (for ~30 seconds) 21:11 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 21:13 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-4-65.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 21:48 -!- dermoth_ [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has joined #lnd 21:48 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@unaffiliated/dermoth] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:48 -!- dermoth_ is now known as dermoth 22:21 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 23:11 -!- lesless [~lessless@obligatory.vehicle.volia.net] has joined #lnd --- Log closed Thu Jan 14 00:00:14 2021