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11:19 < dongcarl> Hi all, I'm writing about https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/5108 for Optech this week, and want to make sure I do it justice :-) Wondering what are the most important user-facing things that this PR changes/enables?
11:21 < mol_> roasbeef, bitconner ^^
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13:01 <@roasbeef> dongcarl: you any questions on like what is is generally? 
13:01 <@roasbeef> re-usable/static invoices, streaming/recurring payments, push payments, donations addresses, etc 
13:02 < dongcarl> roasbeef: Naive question: prior to this PR, spontaneous payments did not work with AMP?
13:03 <@roasbeef> so ppl used something called keysend before 
13:03 <@roasbeef> which was mean to be mainly a hold over until we finished AMP 
13:03 <@roasbeef> it had no feature bit or anything like that, so you just kinda had to depoy it in your own amp dev 
13:03 <@roasbeef> AMP itself is built on push payments as well 
13:04 <@roasbeef> also consider that before say an exchange, could have their user lose money if they had a faulty wallet and ended up re-using an invoice for some reason (payment hash revealed ppl remmeber it) 
13:04 <@roasbeef> the other thing as well is that all the payment hashes on the path are distinct now 
13:04 <@roasbeef> vs before if I was a routing node and I saw two payments w/ the ame hash, I knew b asically they were the same payment 
13:07 < dongcarl> roasbeef: I want to make sure I get the details right: is it true that keysend == push payments == unilateral payments?
13:08 <@roasbeef> yeh
13:08 <@roasbeef> no interaction required, as the sender transmits the pre-image 
13:08 <@roasbeef> not that keysend didn't support payment splitting 
13:08 < dongcarl> s/not/note/ ?
13:09 <@roasbeef> no AMP basically replaces keysend, givne that it also gives ppl a static invoice/QR code they can use, similar to a bitcoind onation addr 
13:09 <@roasbeef> yeh
13:09 <@roasbeef> I can send you the draft spec if you're interested 
13:10 < dongcarl> roasbeef: V interested in the draft spec (esp if it has a high-level overview). this sounds quite important, so I want to do it justice. I'll see if I can finish a snippet for Optech this week, but if I feel there's a lot here I might push it till next.
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13:54 <@roasbeef> dongcarl: 
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13:59 <@roasbeef> dongcarl: https://github.com/cfromknecht/lightning-rfc/blob/bolt-amp/21-atomic-multi-path-payments.md
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14:06 <@roasbeef> prob the biggest thing we've gained insight on is some of the recursive splitting stuff 
14:06 <@roasbeef> since there's a lot of diff ways you can do it 
14:06 <@roasbeef> there's a PR that's after the one you linked that implements teh control flow when sending 
14:06 <@roasbeef> so needing to split the share, and also "cancel" a failed shair by removing it from the final secret share 
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