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00:20 < wrldpc> Has the AI already been created?
00:20 < wrldpc> That's the question I think we should all be asking ourselves.
00:20 < wrldpc> heh
00:20 < wrldpc> Our apprehension of time could be skewed ... who the f knows.
00:21 < wrldpc> Do we have free will or not.  If we do, when do we and to what extent?
00:21 < wrldpc> NMD
00:28 < Splicer> nite
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02:10 < faceface> kanzure: what do you know about bacterial genetic regulatory elements?
02:11 < faceface> Oscillators are pretty common in developmental genetics also (think drosophila).
02:11 < faceface> Things like the lambda phage operon perform robust switching opperations.
02:12 < faceface> Also, Dennis Bray 'moleculles as computational elements'.
02:13 < faceface> kanzure: basically my point is - bacteria compute ... all the time. Slime mould computes. life is computation ... you shouldn't need to hack mol-bio too deeply to get computation, you just need to do some rewireing and design with what components you already have.
02:13 < faceface> Have you read the paper by uri alon?
02:13 < faceface> (network motifs).
02:21 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7630396
02:22 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18077424
02:22 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18004276
02:23 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14530388
02:25 < faceface> and last but not least http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12399590
02:26 < faceface> the first and the last are the ones I was looking for, those in between just looked relevant and interesting to 'computation using genetic regulatory motifs'.
02:27 < faceface> shout if you need PDFs
02:27 < faceface> "To uncover their structural design principles, we defined "network motifs," patterns of interconnections occurring in complex networks at numbers that are significantly higher than those in randomized networks. We found such motifs in networks from biochemistry, neurobiology, ecology, and engineering."
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08:50 < pupnik_> neat
09:07 < faceface> pupnik_: I think so yes ;-)
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10:26 < kanzure> procto: Yes, I understand that epistemiological viewpoint and suggest you read some Jef Allbright through the extropian archives.
10:26 < kanzure> Dan: Yes, I am familiar with bacterial GRNs, computation-through-enzymes, and so on.
10:26 < kanzure> However, we want to shred the damn cells.
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11:07 < faceface>  /msg kanzure "what does that change?"
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12:07 < kanzure> http://sharescienceideas.wikispaces.com/
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16:08 < nsh> should be renamed shareuglyhtmlideas.wikispaces.com
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17:18 < kanzure> Hey.
17:49 < cis-action_> hey
18:20 < Splicer> hey
18:23 < kanzure> So. :)
18:28 < Splicer> fact
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21:13  * kanzure wants to figure out how to organize http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention
22:31  * kanzure needs some recent bioinformatics papers.
22:39 < kanzure> Stalking mode on. solj grumpish  ftehw  whaley phuor sunsean hieu al- rikkimaru 
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23:06 < Splicer> ?
23:06 < kanzure> Just finding the local university guys that use freenode.
23:07 < Splicer> those are usernames? O_o
23:07 < kanzure> Yes.
23:07 < Splicer> mine is better
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23:28 < percent_> Good evening.
23:29 < kanzure> Good evening, percent_.
23:30 < percent_> How are you? *tips hat*
23:30 < kanzure> Jolly, quite jolly.
23:30 < percent_> How illegal is it to send ecoli through the mail?
23:30 < kanzure> I think it would be about as illegal as sending a blade of grass.
23:31 < kanzure> However, the truth is probably much worse.
23:31 < percent_> If I make pure samples, I'd give them to other biohackers.
23:31 < kanzure> Call them researchers.
23:31 < percent_> After all, it's almost free.
23:33 < percent_> or i could just order an e coli sample
23:37 < percent_> Where's the best place to order them?
23:38 < kanzure> I'm not quite sure. I need to assemble a list.
23:38 < kanzure> There's a few companies that sell cultures like that.
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23:55 < percent_> So let's talk about bioinformatics software