--- Day changed Wed Jun 18 2008 00:53 -!- Biopunk [n=p@h208n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:55 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:58 -!- Biopunk [n=p@h208n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:05 -!- Splicer [n=p@h184n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:42 < kanzure> fenn: I still dislike object-orientation. "You have to realize the truth? The truth? That there is no spoon." That's not a proper answer .. what's the alternative to calling 'it' a spoon? 01:43 < fenn> bleh? i dont know what you're talking about. what's the context? 01:43 < kanzure> design compiler 01:43 < kanzure> compiling processes together to make objects, mehh 01:44 < kanzure> when in the first place it was the processes that we cared about 01:44 < fenn> um, fitness function describing the requirements of a spoon? 01:44 < kanzure> energy/matter transformation (chem -> mechanical junctions, or various ratchet functionality, etc.) 01:44 < kanzure> oh 01:44 < kanzure> is that the equiv? 01:44 < kanzure> I mean, I've considered it 01:44 < kanzure> but it sounds wrong? Because you still have to 'evolve the object', no? 01:44 < kanzure> I guess it's a general region in parameter space 01:44 < fenn> no, you can maktop-down design a spoon and then it "becomes" a spoon because it satisfies the fitness function 01:45 < fenn> s/maktop/top/ 01:45 < kanzure> and when it comes down to the physical manufacturing? 01:45 < fenn> if your test case fails, the function is probably worng 01:45 < fenn> i guess that's just test driven development 01:45 < kanzure> It looks like some papers that I was reading last night had realtime 'structure data => actual motor changes' 01:46 < kanzure> hrm, but what about the reconfigurability of the machinery aspect 01:46 < kanzure> (dynamic 'static physical ISA' -- or dynamical runtime realtime physical ISA) 01:46 < fenn> different layer.. that's the cam/inventory layer 01:46 < fenn> however, the machinery can be represented as a set of functions and interfaces 01:47 < fenn> the same functions that you use in the unit tests/fitness functions 01:47 < kanzure> what I wanted to do was sit down and write out the methodology to 'make a spoon', and I couldn't 01:47 < kanzure> I figured I'd just use some processes for molding or something 01:47 < fenn> there are many ways to make a spoon 01:47 < kanzure> I just don't like objects, but it's hard since our grammars are object-oriented 01:48 < kanzure> yep 01:53 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:08 -!- ybit [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- ybit [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:28 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:18 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:21 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:22 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:19 -!- wrldpc [n=wrldpc@pool-71-174-89-247.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:44 -!- wrldpc [n=wrldpc@pool-71-174-89-247.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:27 -!- joshcryer [n=g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:42 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@wireless-128-62-145-212.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:42 < kanzure> Ugh. 14:14 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@wireless-128-62-145-212.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]