--- Day changed Wed Jun 25 2008 00:09 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:10 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: kanzure 00:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure 00:37 < percent_> ugh, adderal 00:37 < kanzure> Hm? 00:37 < percent_> actually, ugh, asperger's 00:37 < percent_> Both of them are fucking stupid. 00:38 < percent_> All the people I know who do adderal are cracked out on it. 00:38 < percent_> They work, hardcore, till they drop dead 00:38 < percent_> and I think "aspies" are ridiculous 00:39 < ybit> amphetamines!!.. man, i miss those 00:39 < ybit> still waiting on my modafinil to get here 00:39 < percent_> Nasty, nasty shit. 00:39 < percent_> Ha, tell me how it is 00:39 < ybit> i've had it before 00:39 < ybit> it's wonderful 00:39 < percent_> I rely on exercise and good diet to control the ADD, is modafinil good? 00:40 < ybit> ^ 00:40 < percent_> It's got that special forces aura that I love 00:40 < percent_> stay awake for 72 hours. 00:40 < percent_> It apparently also doesn't distort you like amphetamines 00:40 < percent_> The people I know who take adderal 00:40 < percent_> it dominates their life. 00:40 < ybit> indeed 00:40 < ybit> but i'd take anything right now 00:41 < ybit> i miss my meds 00:41 < percent_> I can force through the lack of focus. 00:41 < ybit> distilled coffee just doesn't cut it for me 00:42 < ybit> kanzure, thanks for the links in the email. i've been reading all i can about neuroscience lately 00:42 < percent_> try exercise and good diet 00:42 < ybit> i do those too :) 00:42 < percent_> Exercise MORE 00:42 < ybit> hehe 00:43 < percent_> Remember to yell loudly while you lift weights 00:43 < kanzure> percent_: Drop dead, eh? 00:43 < kanzure> Aspergers seems to be somewhat real as far as I can tell. 00:43 < percent_> It's a disease with no physical, chemical, or genetic component. 00:43 < percent_> Sounds to me like bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt. 00:43 < kanzure> Forcing through the lack of focus ... how the hell do you do this? 00:43 < kanzure> No, there's genetic components. 00:44 < percent_> I sit there and force myself to focus. 00:44 < percent_> Show me. 00:44 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html 00:44 < ybit> 2 summers ago i was running 12 miles a day, 6 days a week.. now i'm only running 1.2 miles + around 200 yard sprints per day 6/7days 00:44 < kanzure> I don't have links to Entrez at the moment, but I'll get you a few soon. 00:44 < ybit> ^concerning exercise 00:44 < percent_> One of the other severely ADD guys I know is a runner. 00:44 < percent_> I find that martial arts does the trick for me. And climbing. 00:45 < percent_> Also, try flax seed oil, I find it clears my head. I can just concentrate if I force it. 00:46 < ybit> when i came across bryan's website, my exercising routine came to a standstill having to sift through so much to understand what was going on :P 00:46 < kanzure> :) 00:46 < kanzure> ybit: Are you ADHD? 00:46 < ybit> yep 00:46 < percent_> Me too. 00:46 < kanzure> There's a huge difference between ADD and ADHD, from what I can tell. 00:46 < ybit> i understand the H part 00:46 < percent_> See, ADHD people get along quite well 00:47 < percent_> Nobody can deny we're the most creative muthafuckas ever to walk the planet. Ritalin Raiders, rep-re-SENT. 00:47 < percent_> I don't really identify with a disorder, though. 00:49 < percent_> I found a glowing ecoli kit 00:49 < percent_> I can do it the easy way or I can learn it and do it the hard way 00:56 * ybit gets some sleep 00:57 -!- Splicer [n=p@h77n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 01:03 < kanzure> ping 01:03 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000627.html 01:22 < willPow3r> back 01:24 < kanzure> Hey willPow3r. 01:24 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html 01:36 < kanzure> ybit: You see the big ideas that I'm throwing around all the time in here? 01:36 < kanzure> I think you mentioned that this was only after reading mostly everything on the site? 01:36 < kanzure> I think that's sounding like a pretty good success story of usability of the site or something ;-) 01:39 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:37 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:51 -!- faceface [n=chatzill@bioinformatics.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:52 < faceface> I don't like the bit about "I truly doubt that a directed intelligent process, like programming, is a naturally occuring evolutionary process." 02:56 -!- wrldpc [n=wrldpc@pool-71-174-89-247.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:29 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: percent_, faceface, freer 04:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: faceface, percent_, freer 05:02 -!- Vedestin [n=Vedestin@d58-111-95-212.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #hplusroadmap [] 08:17 -!- fenn [n=pz@adsl-76-251-85-74.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: Intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKbzbeipmI http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/ | diy bio toolkit: http://biohack.sf.net/ | Automated societal knowledge (put it to work): http://heybryan.org/exp.html | Channel wiki: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | F/OSS perspectives on Kurzweil: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ 08:17 -!- Topic set by kanzure [] [Sun Jun 8 13:00:15 2008] 08:17 [Users #hplusroadmap] 08:17 [ faceface] [ fenn_] [ percent_] [ ybit] 08:17 [ fenn ] [ freer] [ procto ] 08:17 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 7 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal] 08:17 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Sat Mar 22 15:44:12 2008 08:17 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 32 secs 08:32 -!- fenn_ [n=pz@adsl-76-251-85-53.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:42 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-146-6-213-198.icmb.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:03 < fenn> theo jansen seems to be aiming at clanking replicators maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b694exl_oZo&NR=1 11:03 < fenn> everything is made of the same pieces, implying an industrial ecology 11:12 < fenn> the mechanism also seems to be popular in pepakura 11:14 < kanzure> " See Mac's video of why techshop and DIYBIo are suited: 11:14 < kanzure> http://www.vimeo.com/1087631  (note the Make Magazine DIYBIO on the table!) " 11:14 < kanzure> all these darned videos 11:14 < kanzure> where's me text 11:29 < faceface> :-) 11:29 < faceface> I just like the idea 11:30 < faceface> (latest email) 12:15 < fenn> faceface: havent you read "the sectret life of plants"? and if plants have nervous systems, why not bacteria 12:15 < fenn> secret* 12:17 < fenn> anyway a leucine transporter doesnt mean much of anything 12:17 < fenn> it's just an amino acid 12:31 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: percent_, faceface, freer 13:09 -!- faceface [n=chatzill@bioinformatics.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- percent_ [n=percent@66.158.193.28] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- freer [n=freer@209-20-74-204.slicehost.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:13 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: percent_, faceface, freer 13:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: faceface, percent_, freer 13:31 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:45 < kanzure> Hey willPow3r. 13:47 < willPow3r> kanzure, what up 13:47 < kanzure> Just wondering when we'll get a chance to duke it out. 14:04 < willPow3r> lets see... 14:07 < willPow3r> i need to get some donuts. brb 14:26 < willPow3r> kanzure: how about sunday 14:27 < kanzure> That's fine. 14:27 < willPow3r> u in college? 14:28 < kanzure> Username: i=bryan@dhcp-146-6-213-198.icmb.utexas.edu 14:28 < kanzure> Apparently. 14:28 < kanzure> http://icmb.utexas.edu/ 14:28 < willPow3r> Firefox can't find the server at icmb.utexas.edu. 14:29 < kanzure> Bah 14:29 < kanzure> http://ellingtonlab.org/ 14:30 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:31 < kanzure> Hey Phreedom. 14:32 < Phreedom> hi 14:34 < willPow3r> using evolutionary approaches to change something, such as DNA, is not evolution. 14:35 < kanzure> What would an evolutionary approach be ? 14:35 < willPow3r> andrew ellington seems to have an idea 14:36 < kanzure> I would argue that if there's selection, mutation and self-replication that it's a case of evolution. 14:37 < willPow3r> use random sequence populations of aptamers to solve real-world problems 14:37 < kanzure> hm? 14:37 < kanzure> yes, that's generally what these guys are doing 14:37 < kanzure> there's two people to my immediate left discussing a random pool that they just constructed 14:37 < kanzure> ;-) 14:37 < willPow3r> heh 14:38 < willPow3r> evolution benefits the organism undergoing change, generally speaking 14:38 < kanzure> Ugh? 14:38 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:39 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:42 < willPow3r> sorry, my brain hasn't turned on yet 14:43 < willPow3r> kanzure, do you actually write everything on your site? 14:43 < willPow3r> or is a lot of it copy/paste? 14:45 -!- percent_ [n=percent@66.158.193.28] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:48 < kanzure> willPow3r: No, I write all of it. Anything that is not my words is usually in a blockquote object. 15:37 < kanzure> Aha. 15:37 < kanzure> I was wondering why there are so many people from Cambridge on hplusroadmap's mailing list. 15:37 < kanzure> I remember now that somebody was mentioning it to a class at some university in England. 15:56 -!- percent_ [n=percent@131.247.244.184] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- percent_ [n=percent@131.247.244.184] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:17 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:19 -!- percent_ [n=percent@131.247.244.184] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- percent_ [n=percent@131.247.244.184] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:59 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 17:03 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-146-6-213-198.icmb.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:27 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 17:49 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@c-66-31-201-16.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:28 < kanzure> Hi all. 20:38 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:53 -!- Splicer [n=p@h24n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:01 < kanzure> Hahah. 21:01 < kanzure> I win. 21:01 * kanzure is on a Model M. 21:02 < ybit> oi kanzure 21:02 < ybit> you're on a keyboard? 21:04 < ybit> in response to what you said last night: " 21:04 < ybit> [00:36] ybit: You see the big ideas that I'm throwing around all the time in here? 21:04 < ybit> [00:36] I think you mentioned that this was only after reading mostly everything on the site? 21:04 < ybit> " 21:08 < ybit> grr, konversation :P... i became interested in synthetic biology and joined #biology, and then you mentioned this channel which lead me to your site. I was interested in the singularitarian/transhumanist before coming here, but you have pointed me to some really good information, saving me time 21:08 < ybit> i was a singularitarian/transhumanist** -"interested in the" 21:08 < ybit> phreedom and i had been talking about similar ideas for about year now 21:09 < ybit> had/have 21:12 < ybit> btw, what program did you use for your screencast? recordmydesktop or ffmpeg? i know it wasn't istanbul :) 21:14 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:15 -!- wrldpc [n=wrldpc@pool-71-174-89-247.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:27 < ybit> anyone know of someone in the boston area working on getting techshop there? 21:29 < kanzure> Yes, I'm on one of those old IBM keyboards. You'll have to try it to understand, but there's a good reason why so many people obsess over these things :) 21:29 < kanzure> ybit: are you stalking me? 21:29 < kanzure> I just sent an email to robotgroup re: techshop 21:29 < kanzure> http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2008-June/009637.html 21:30 < kanzure> I was using recordmydesktop. 21:30 < kanzure> I remember it taking four or five hours to get my microphone configured properly :-p which wasn't an issue with recordmydesktop. Although the massive file dump that it does ... eh. It was estimating something like a few thousand gigabytes a minute, so obviously I had to cut down on resolution and so on. 21:42 < ybit> was away wasting time watching: http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=228784531481853811 21:42 < ybit> hehe, stalking 21:43 < ybit> yep, i'm a stalker 21:43 < ybit> actually, no, i'm not. please don't ban me :P 21:44 * ybit is trying to form a dorkbot in this area 21:44 < ybit> or barcamp, or maker meeting 22:13 < kanzure> I would strongly encourage you to not call it anything like that. 22:13 < kanzure> dorkbot might be ok 22:13 < kanzure> but Maker and Barcamp are kind of 'trademarked' sort of 22:13 < kanzure> I'm starting to notice that it's sort of like a corporate scam 22:14 < kanzure> while the people that throw these together are well intentioned, it looks peculiar 22:14 < kanzure> especially with Make 22:14 < kanzure> http://hplusclub.com/ is another possible avenue to explore (steal from) 22:15 < kanzure> or http://techshop.ws/ and http://diybio.org/ and the list is truly rather endless. There are a number of old school organizations and groups that probably have local chapters at your nearest university. 22:16 < kanzure> The type that sit around writing letters to representatives. 22:25 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:26 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:30 < ybit> kanzure: yep, we have tri-beta, but i also want something open to the public 22:31 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:46 < Splicer> worlds oldest living tree: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080416104320.htm 22:46 < Splicer> 9500 years old 23:00 -!- Overand [i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:00 < kanzure> Hey Overand. 23:03 < Overand> hi. 23:14 < kanzure> Overand: I suggest looking at the /topic 23:14 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html is also recent 23:17 -!- Vedestin [n=Vedestin@d58-111-95-212.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@c-66-31-201-16.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit []